What about the 28% of sexless men makes women prefer to be single than date them?

taapy234 · 2020-05-17T07:53:57+00:00

Its not because those sexless men are disgusting or anything. (maybe for a very small % of those people who have any genetic deformities or any psychological conditions, but that's usualy men and women)

Because the age at which women marry for the first time is getting higher and higher. Because women want to pursue more education, want to work and make more money themselves. They want to extend their college party lifestyle past their college coz... YOLO. (the average age of a woman who marry today is 29)

Depending on who you ask, this is either a good thing or a bad thing.

It's a good thing if you are a feminist when you see all these women going to work and being "independent" and doing whatever they want. Good for redpillers who can take advantage of these independent ladies who put off marriage for all their 20's so that you can run your game to try and get laid. Good for capitalists who get access to a young and new workforce to drain them like lemon for all their worth.

Its very bad for men who are expected to work hard so that they can find a girl and settle soon. (a typical life script that most men in this world are supposed to follow). Its very bad for most men because women are now working and taking care of themselves financially so they don't need a "hard worker" for a husband. Its very bad because, now, women want more than a hard worker. They want a man with more status, or sought after genetic traits like height or pretty face, or anything that's in vogue. So they one up each other in their social circle to compete for the best man they want to the point that their standards have become unreasonable bordering on impossible for most men to fulfill.

And get this.... This is VERY, VERY, VERY bad for women who want to "settle down" later in life. Remember the famous saying, actions have consequences? Well, older women will face the consequences for the feminist revolution. They got what they wanted sure (to be an equal to man), but at the cost of their family life.

You see, the feminist revolution has systematically changed the life scripts that men and women regularly follow through for decades and the end result is they (women) basically pulled a rug under the incentive structure of relationships and marriage.

A man will only work and slave away his life to a life of longer work hours or tough working conditions to provide for his family. If a man can't get married by the time he's past college (22-26), he GIVES UP working hard like that.

I mean, think about it. Why the fuck would he do a 14 hour work days when he's STILL single and still struggles to find a girl? Why bother slaving away like that when the only person take care of is yourself and maybe a pet he probably has in his home? So, as a result, men work to become SELF RELIANT and SELF SUFFICIENT. Two things that are antithetical to what women considers as "marriageable man"

Now imagine a WHOLE GENERATION OF MEN following this new trend of not working harder like their fathers and grandfathers did.

Women enforced hypergamy in modern day society. And many 30+ women will remain single, unable to find a "marriageable" man to settle down with because of the society and culture they created. As the famous saying goes, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. Well, you ladies want to be strong and independent...you got it. Now its time you consider the possibility of that independent life... forever.

TakeTheMikki · 2020-05-17T07:13:48+00:00

Okay so what as a woman would make not being single worth it?

Love: well this takes time and most men are not that romantic when initiating dating.

Sex: Men want sex to feel love, where as women want to feel loved and use sex to express that love. The ultimate catch 22. Also statistically speaking I am more likely to orgasm by myself than with any straight guy.

Intimacy: would be wonderful but this subset of left overmen have no experience nor do they value it as highly as women do.

Kids: No thanks, I also don’t want the pressure and expectation of a man who wants kids.

Caretaking: Building a mutually beneficial life together sure. Looking after a man his house, family and kids nope I’m fine just looking after me.

Guess we’re all kinda selfish in our own ways. Our standards are high because being single ain’t terrible. And let’s face I don’t meet their wife material criteria anyway.

jumblesandtumbles · 2020-05-17T03:50:58+00:00

I don't know all 28% of the men not having sex but I'll throw out some anecdotes. Let's assume they all want to because as I've posted before, I know a couple of guys who have bypassed the opportunity because they're waiting for something a bit more meaningful.

I have what one of my guy coworkers calls a superpower and what a lot of my friends call my curse - people open up to me pretty quickly, so I have a lot of instances where I get into deep talks with random people. And I've had a few discussions in person with guys who just aren't getting laid.

The thing is, these guys were decent looking. I know everyone pictures these guys as overweight marshmallows shrieking in dismay if someone so much as opens a curtain yet still looking for a model to touch his oft-beaten penis and while I'm sure those guys exist, these guys were not those guys. I would say that one was even above average attractiveness. Physically.

But what I will say is talking to each and every one of these guys was a chore. They were just so unhappy and negative and it just colored their entire conversation. I'm not saying that they didn't have reasons and I get that feeling constantly undesired is detrimental to self esteem but one of those guys looked over at one of the guy friends I was with - short, overweight, and confidently flirting with women and wondered how he did it. I gently commented that he was really and funny and fun to talk to. He responded, they must know he has money. I told him, no, actually, he makes an average salary working in a shop. And he just shook his head and.was like, I don't get women. My friend took a woman home. The guy assumed he'd lied to make that happen.

In the real world, nobody enjoys being around a person who is truly draining to be around. I know a handful of very nonconventionally attractive guys who routinely pull women more conventionally attractive than they are but they are fun, charming, and genuinely fun to have around. I'm not saying all 28% of these guys have less personality than a toadstool but the ones I've run into in real life have had that issue.

couldbemage · 2020-05-17T00:56:55+00:00

"Those guys are sad, frustrated, angry and even suicidal. "

You are reaching there. Most single guys do not have those problems and a lot of sexually successful guys do have them. Every couple of months there is a story about some very successful rich pretty boy that can have pussy he wants kill himself or ODing after long periods of depression and self medication. Lack of pussy can cause psychological problem about as much as it can cure them. Not in the slightest.

" But women just don't want them. If their was good reason to date of these guys in the 28%, women would be lining up to dating them. "

Again pretty strong assumption. Not all of those guys are incels. A lot of men do not actually want to be in any type of relationship or pursue sex voluntarily to any degree. Contrary to popular belief one does not spontaneously die from not sticking one's dick in a vagina for a period of time.

" What is it about these men and relationships with them that makes women see being single as a better option than dating them? "

Maybe because for some women as for the men being single is not such a bad option in and of it itself. Again you are reaching. Women also do not need dick to survive.

Physiologist21 · 2020-05-17T11:41:40+00:00

> and someone to take care of the those kids along with the house.

Well already seeing one reason.

Most women nowadays don't want to be seen as a bangmommy.

Sigma1979 · 2020-05-16T19:57:33+00:00

Women don't want to feel like they're settling. Nobody does. If people believe that they can have or should have better, they're going to continue holding out until they do. The imperative for genes is always to get better genes, not "worse."

I've read in one study that less-attractive people tend to overestimate their attractiveness. The people who were most accurate were typically more physically attractive.

Anyway, like I said before, if people think they can do better, they'll try. The male incels don't really want the femcels either. Both are unwilling to settle for each other because they want someone more attractive than they are.

zebrye · 2020-05-17T05:59:59+00:00

These 28% sure seem to have a lot of expectations off the bat. From this post and other posts I’ve read describing this same issue, it sounds like these 28% are open to pretty much any woman who agrees to fulfill those expectations for them. No falling in love, no romance, just settling for anything because god forbid you don’t have kids. It sounds exactly like they want arranged marriages, that way everyone gets paired regardless of what they actually want.

I would never want to be with someone out of obligation.

JungPaoChicken · 2020-05-17T02:42:03+00:00

So you just want a maid that gives you attention...

sadomasochrist · 2020-05-16T20:14:25+00:00

Alternatives

What has changed in the last 10 years? Basically nothing except tinder\OLD.

Before she had to choose between the guys in her circle and whatever was on the party circuit and being alone.

Now the party circuit in the surrounding 50 miles comes to her. So rather than settling with a mediocre boyfriend and cheating on him occasionally, she can just be a willing plate for her ideal STR partner.

RabidusRex · 2020-05-16T20:10:21+00:00

Women typically desire men who are desired by other women. Some of these guys no doubt, are genuinely unattractive or too unwell to date, but others...They just don't stand out enough.

Logically speaking, it's not hard to see why a woman would be fine being single. Often times they have larger groups of friends. Closer friendships. It's alot easier to cope with prolonged singledom when you've got a tight nit group of friends.

intersIn · 2020-05-16T20:06:15+00:00

This applies only to the angry bitter sexless guys.

. No one wants to date any man with this much baggage. A lot of these guys are still pissed off high school sucked for them. High school sucked for a lot of people and most people get over it. The popular kids were not the biggest group of people in school.

These guys do not live in reality. They are stuck in a revenge hate filled society. FFS they believe women who have pink/blue/ purple hair, wear thumb rings, and have tattoos automatically make a woman a slut. They joke about rape and making women slaves, and they believe all woman are having casual sex with lots of different Chads. Ugly/average women are not sleeping with men who are out of their league. A walk outside and real interaction with women would easily shatter that illusion. They actually believe everything other men say on line is true - because of course annoymous men never lie about their interactions with women online.
These guys don't want to have sex with women in their league they want to sleep with women way out their league. They take the 80/20 rule as gospel yet ignore the part that says 80 percent of the men only wanted to date 20 percent of the women.

They can't get out of their own way long enough to even give themselves a chance of meeting a woman.

cateml · 2020-05-16T21:41:19+00:00

Personally, I'd rather be single than 'take care of the house' for some guy I don't even like. Because I'd get to do all the things I'm already doing... and not also have to pair up some fucker's socks.

Would they really want me to pity fuck them and clean their kitchen surfaces without wanting to be there? Because if the roles were reversed... I'd probably rather just 'sort myself out' and wipe down my own kitchen. Rather than have to think about the miserable slave human currently in my living space.

If their was good reason to date of these guys in the 28%, women would be lining up to dating them.

Is this not... the answer to your own question? Is there a between the lines point you're trying to get at here? About what it is about these 28% of guys that makes being single preferable to being with them but not to the (presumably) 72% of guys who aren't single? I don't fucking know do I. Not because my confused lady brain can't handle it, but because... you've not given me any more information about these men other than they apparently make up 28% of the population and are single. Maybe there is something fundamentally wrong with them. Maybe there isn't. All I know is that I'm not currently fucking one of them.

PickleLine · 2020-05-16T20:34:46+00:00

Hypergamy. Because of the sexual revolution (as well as OLD), women now have free choice and now the bottom 28% of women are choosing casual sex with men above their league and ignoring the bottom 28% of men who are within their league

Sekina7 · 2020-05-16T21:28:40+00:00

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RabidusRex · 2020-05-16T20:45:33+00:00

"They gain love, intimacy, sex , kids and someone to take care of the those kids along with the house."

But....what do these men offer. I mean the woman gets to have sex with a man no other woman wants and gets to raise the kids and do all of the chores. And presumably have a job while he kicks back.

I wouldn't go for this type of man either.

If these guys are single, they just need to aim for a land whale cashier at any big box outlet. Attractive women are not attainable. So they either need to drastically drop their standards or......well they won't.

Sewud · 2020-05-16T21:21:46+00:00

These men don't seek out sex as much. Simple. They have less friends, go out less, stay with their parents longer, take refuge online, and if they do talk to women, it's online and doing a poor job. It was never women who chose which men they sleep with. Women don't look at the entire population and choose which men they want. Women look at the men who approach them. Rejecting an ugly friend isn't new, but that ugly friend eventually found a girl more in his league. Nowadays these guys just don't approach and don't learn to human.

churnthrowaway123456 · 2020-05-16T21:43:06+00:00

Social proof and comfort. Women aren't that picky when it comes to men, as long as those men are part of their social circle. Women only "exclusively" chase guys in the "top 20%" when it comes to having sex with strangers.

The breakdown in organic social interaction means that fewer men are in social situations where they can make women comfortable, and in uncomfortable situations, women are only going to "risk it" for top-tier men.

Likunfanele · 2020-05-16T20:20:13+00:00

I mean looking back at all my relationships none of them were worth it. And all my men were pretty attractive. It’s a lot yo deal with when you date/live with another human being

extensile · 2020-05-16T22:03:28+00:00

What do those guys have to offer that makes a relationship with one of them preferable to being single?

If he's not attractive or good in bed or fun to be around, why would you start dating him? If he's not emotionally supportive and he doesn't do housework then why would you stay? If he has a lot of issues that make a relationship with him difficult and doesn't make up for it in some way, why bother with him?

There are plenty of benefits to being single. Why give them up for an unfulfilling relationship? So you can brag that some dude no one wants put a ring on it? Lmao.

2020-05-17T02:52:23+00:00

Being Chad’s side chick > being the love of an omega’s life

BillyDauterive · 2020-05-16T21:30:08+00:00

Speaking from experience as a guy who’s basically one of these men. I don’t try at all, I have an extremely avoidant personality. I do however get some attention but it rarely leads anywhere. I can say that if I actually put more effort in then I could have more success. Can’t speak for everyone in my situation but yeah.

DangZagnut · 2020-05-16T20:19:53+00:00

Because most women don’t want to date some random thirsty guy.

“Sexless” only appeals to married women.

2020-05-16T21:41:02+00:00

Given my choices of females right at this moment I'd probably just continue to go without. If I want to get into the market again, I'd have to get my physique, wardrobe, lifestyle and home into the shape I know it needs to be in. Then I have to build a "meeting women social network" which is a different network than just having a bunch of friends. If I hung out with my guy friends as they are right now, I'd probably meet a woman in a few thousand years. There are no single women around, and they don't go to places where single women are. A few are attached, and the others are permanent bachelors.

So I need to be in one (or more) social circles where there might be some single females around.

It would require me turning my relaxed low key MGTOW lifestyle right on it's head.

So why did I tell you all this.

If a guy isn't putting in the requisite effort to be socially successful enough to get laid, then he's not going to get laid. The easiest way is to let yourself go physically, socially isolate, dress like a slob, never go out and sit on the computer all day.

When I was getting sex on the regular it was because I was constantly working on a life situation which was conducive to meeting, wining, dining and fucking women. The most important parts were (a) staying fit (b) having a nice home and wardrobe and (c) putting in the requisite time on OLD/chat to create connections and hook ups. I found just "being" in places was largely a waste of time if you were actually looking for sex or a relationship.

Women also seem to prefer socially connected guys and get introduced to his tribe. In my Chadlite years I had more friends and we always went to bars, pubs and restaurants and did other things. So, when I met someone I could include her in my social tribe.

mangolover97 · 2020-05-16T19:54:38+00:00

Women probably think they’d be worse off dating them than they would be staying single.

uglyblackguy123 · 2020-05-16T20:07:35+00:00

I will tell you the truth as someone who has had unenjoyable sex many times.

Most men are ugly and gross. They objectively spend way less time on their appearance than women do. They don't care about what they wear, they don't shave, they usually end up being fat pigs in their 30s. There are many men who literally wear the same clothes for WEEKS. Studies show us that men overestimate their own attractiveness all the time, while women are more realistic.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/social-instincts/201507/when-men-arent-good-looking-they-think

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23311908.2014.996316

Most men are ugly and can't even sexually satisfy women. Studies show that straight men are the group most likely to get an orgasm, surpassing even the gays. Straight women are the group LEAST likely to have an orgasm.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-017-0939-z

Back in the day, more women had sex with gross men because a) women are more agreeable than men, they have a hard time saying no. Many men are very persistent so they pressure women until they give in. b) women feel like they need to have sex in order to keep the relationship going. Nowadays, there are more and more women who wake up and realize that they don't need to have gross sex. It's a good thing really. The previous arrangement only favored the male imperative.

Why would women want these men? What do these men even have to offer to a modern, financially independent woman? The woman is better off being single than having sex that feels like rape. Because yes, in my experience as someone who has been sexually assaulted and has had consensual sex with unattractive men, gross sex often feels like sexual assault even if it consensual.

insertcredit2 · 2020-05-17T06:20:14+00:00

28% is probably pretty close to the percentage of obese people. Asking why people would rather be single than date these guys is like asking why would anyone rather be on benifits than work in a coal mine for minimum wage.

2020-05-17T07:14:30+00:00

I think these guys just lack the social acumen to play the early game and get past the first hurdles and don't have enough superficial traits that make them stand out enough for women to put the work into making it happen. Despite the straw men that a lot of women here seem to have created in their minds, I think a lot of sexless men are just socially awkward/have low self esteem and would probably be caring and loving partners. Plenty of absolutely shit tier men get sex, the idea that women only filter out garbage is laughable; women are not great judges of people, particularily men.

Rubbi23 · 2020-05-19T01:11:31+00:00

If I’m honest (and this has generally been my experience from online dating), when I’ve run into the few poor dudes who I believe are in this range that you have mentioned, the top things I notice (in order of what I notice most to least often) that turn me off and make a first date end at a first date below: 1. He does not seem genuine. This is usually expressed as a lack of confidence. He seems more uncomfortable than what you’d expect for a first date. This is often expressed as either a lack of confidence or a false sense of confidence (guys,women can tell when you’ve read tips on how to seem confident. It doesn’t work). Not being genuine is related to a serious lack of self-esteem and directly related to my ability to TRUST you 2. Grossly misrepresented themselves on their profile photos. Sorry, but again, if you’re starting off on a lie, I can’t trust you 3. Because I’m more educated, ambitious, and have more career opportunities and earning potential than them and even though IM OK with this, most men (especially the 28% with esteem issues) are actually not ok with it when it comes to having a relationship

2020-05-16T19:42:41+00:00

I don't view this as a problem with the 28% necessarily.

Because the "single" Women are just part of a revolving door harem for the hottest guy they can find.

Troy016 · 2020-05-16T19:52:46+00:00

There basically so unattractive , woman would rather be a cat lady then be with u. That’s it lmao It’s messed up, but it’s the reality of the situation

2020-05-17T05:20:48+00:00

They're just too ugly. Women will date handsome assholes who treat them like shit because their handsome.. I approach women but obviously I don't have any success, so its not a lack of trying but a lack of any value. Being a 5'3 and ugly dude when I approach, women have already disregarded me as ever being an option.

Appomattoxx · 2020-05-16T21:01:00+00:00

u/AfraidEducation already said it, but yes: Hypergamy.

Women marry up.

Beneneb · 2020-05-16T22:28:52+00:00

I'm not sure where this 28% number comes from, but assuming it's true that 28% of men are perpetually unsuccessful with women, I think we need to understand what that means. This isn't 28% ugliest guys, this 28% is the most unappealing to women due to looks, attitude, weight and probably a bunch of other factors. There are probably also a lot of guys who are too awkward or scared to even try dating.

One thing I have observed (anecdotally) is that there are plenty of men who would be in the bottom 28% looks wise, who still manage to date women. So I don't not believe that the vast majority of these men are simply cursed with bad looks and will never be able to find love because the evil women are so shallow. The reality is that you have significant control over how you present yourself. Even if you weren't born naturally good looking, you can still control you fitness, your weight, how you dress, your attitude towards women, etc.

Women are more discerning than men, that's just the way things are, and there are many women who would rather be alone then to date one of these lower tier men. This of course was different in the past when women had less autonomy, and couldn't necessarily turn down a suitor, even if they were a disgusting slob, but fortunately things have changed.

The solution as a man is to work hard and better yourself to become more appealing women, not to sit on your computer and rant to strangers about how the world owes you someone to have sex with. Whether you are a man or a woman, the world owes you nothing and you have to work for everything. Some people get born on third base, and some get born sitting on the bench, you just have to work with what you have.

So back to the original question, what about those 28% of men? If you are literally so unappealing to women that they would rather die alone than date you, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror, because you are doing something wrong. Stop blaming women for your own problems.

sublimemongrel · 2020-05-16T19:57:45+00:00

I don’t know that 28% of men legitimately try and can’t get laid or any sort of romantic attention at all, but obviously those men do exist. I’m not gonna debate about numbers but to answer your question, they are not attractive and women would rather be single than be with someone they aren’t attracted to, generally speaking.

Likunfanele · 2020-05-16T20:04:01+00:00

Most sexless guys are sexless because they don't try and/or have a terrible personality. There is probably <5% of men that are actually so hideous they can't get sex and from that group it's mostly due to medical conditions.

chasingstatues · 2020-05-17T00:01:07+00:00

Because some of those men are Sam

Texan2116 · 2020-05-17T02:13:44+00:00

My theory is that...of that 28%, a fair amount of them, are broke, extremely overweight, etc. The 72% of men are getting more than their share. My own post divorce experience was I felt I had no problem dating down(meaning single moms, or overweight women), these are a dime a dozen..for reasonable in shape guys with a steady job.

2020-05-17T03:38:21+00:00

Those men also don't want the bottom 28% of women.

wheatbeer510 · 2020-05-17T05:09:45+00:00

We are unattractive. Repulsive to women

Despite our best efforts (been trying extremely hard) nothing works.

Now I'm waiting for my surgeries so I can actually become more attractive

RIPOldAccountF · 2020-05-16T20:31:50+00:00

Just think about 1 out of every 4 guys you meet and just look how hideous and horrible their personalities are and then realize the number is higher than that

Willow-girl · 2020-05-16T19:59:48+00:00

Poor personal hygiene and mental health issues are probably the two biggest red flags.

rosephase · 2020-05-16T19:59:24+00:00

"sad, frustrated, angry and even suicidal"

Is not only unattractive, it's dangerous (in all genders). Being single is fine. Having to take care of a partner who has a lot of emtional issues? Is WAY harder then being single.

mooncaat · 2020-05-16T19:52:30+00:00

People can’t go through life thinking they “deserve” a partner no matter what There is something about the 28% that is off putting enough to where women avoid them. Because of that, it’s the guy who needs to change their actions or looks Maybe they’re weird, antisocial, socially awkward/anxiety, rude and mean... or maybe they aren’t physically attractive and lack hygiene

the_purring_jew · 2020-05-16T20:31:26+00:00

there is no way to know this is whats happening. there is literally no way to know if these 28% are trying to date in any meaningful fashion

MerryVegetableGarden · 2020-05-16T22:21:00+00:00

Where is this stat from?

Wander1900 · 2020-05-16T22:32:15+00:00

Sexless men?

mellainadiba · 2020-05-16T23:27:44+00:00

Are the 28% losers though? Isn't a lot of it intentional, i.e. its not incel... I don't know, but I think modern times you can have a really fulfilling life without the opposite sex, maybe even more fulfilling. Even sexually sex toys are great know for men so you don't need actual sex.

I don't know though just a thought, I haven't really every talked to anyone in that situation about their motives, I wouldn't even know if a guys was one of the 28%... you'd have to a sociological look at that cross section to get a good answer

toughenup2016 · 2020-05-17T02:28:58+00:00

odds are good but goods are not odd.

ctrl_f_sauce · 2020-05-17T02:29:54+00:00

You’re attracted to what you’re attracted to. It’s like your asking, “why don’t those sexless guys date each other? What about being single is better than getting penetrated by someone you’re not attracted to?”

eboy4hire · 2020-05-17T03:04:59+00:00

Because they don't have model tier faces.

2020-05-17T03:52:47+00:00

If someone wants a woman who will solely take care of the house as one of their relationship criteria, that’s exactly the kind of guy most women would steer clear of.

I have never been interested in being someone’s little servant.

2020-05-17T06:08:50+00:00

They are short/ugly/unattractive incels, that's why.

2020-05-17T06:18:44+00:00

No wonder civilization is falling apart, collapse is going to be an awesome ffa

Barneysparky · 2020-05-17T06:48:45+00:00

Hygiene might be #1 but I have my doubts.

Asperger's #2. There are aspie girls out there but unless you approach them with a common interest, be friends first, and be ok that they don't fuss about their appearance like the Instagram girls you can't stop masturbating to you will never notice them, never mind marry them. (Which is too bad, being married to a musician we have more than a few tech geeks who can't talk about anything else couple friends at our age).

3 or #1 Apathy. Obesity, video games, porn, drug use.

Imagine 2 hardcore drug addicts. For the girl she will trade herself for a fix, for the guy he would trade himself if he could.

Girls are too picky are not on my list. My young, newly atheist friend from Bangladesh has decided to set up a Bumble account. He's friggen adorable in a mushy way and I offered to take new photos and help him rewrite his bio and take out things like how he's survived a car bombing..

I'll bet he's heavy texting a special someone within a month. He's been in my city for four years, this last few month is the first time he's considered putting romantic feelers out as between school and work his hands have been full. He's a great conversationalist.

Last year I talked about a bowling buddy of mine who was a short broad balding Latino in the Midwest who joined our league to meet people. He was introduced and he's got a steady someone.

4 or #1

Entitlement, hatred, hostility, demanding. Looking down on others. Generally being a chore to be around.

I think that adds up to 27%.

Also physically or mentally impaired. That in itself is 5% of men.

Fishtankbruh · 2020-05-17T07:37:54+00:00

Women don't view ugly men as even human

Notsonewguy7 · 2020-05-17T11:38:20+00:00

The women don't want them, that's it.

Atiesh · 2020-05-17T12:54:33+00:00

The bottom percentage of men need to drop their standards. They victimize themselves and pretend that ignoring ugly, low class or otherwise "bottom league" is just something that women do.

rubbooyuri · 2020-05-17T14:11:21+00:00

Really? You can’t look at the world and figure out why a good proportion of men aren’t getting laid?

ihavezeropersonality · 2020-05-17T14:32:41+00:00

I think it’s simply because of being a homebody. Guys are more likely to play games all day and not interact. I am one of those guys. I could easily date if I had a social circle with potential partners. Problem is I meet absolutely nobody and my friends don’t know anyone. They’re all with their high school sweethearts.

Seroriman · 2020-05-17T14:34:41+00:00

I would very much assume that it's just gotten more common to be in soft harems of one kind or another, and women nowadays knowingly or unknowingly rather take a shot at getting Chad than dating an average guy.

Pitiful-Implement · 2020-05-17T15:30:49+00:00

What I have observed is that the guy who finds it difficult to get paired up is not someone who is a good partner if he does get one-on the contrary, he may feel that the woman he managed to get is him settling, and while he will take whatever she is offering inside he is seething with resentment.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-05-17T15:52:40+00:00

I mean I kinda don't think women like men in general, they just have to live with them. They date the exceptional men in their mind.

ameadowinthemist · 2020-05-17T18:36:05+00:00

Having a boyfriend is easier than having a child, but a lot more work than having a pet. I have had every type of boyfriend. This is how it goes:

If he is richer than you, it is a financial strain because he’ll want to go to expensive places and you need to pay half to prove you’re not a gold digger, plus have an outfit/hair/nails/makeup which adds up, too. You will still feel guilty because of the imbalance and your male friends will give you metric tons of shit for dating someone with more money instead of dating them.

If he’s poorer than you, it is a financial strain because you wind up covering him unexpectedly when he runs out of money. When you meet his mother, the first question she asks is “So, (son) told me you own your own business... do you own your house, too?” And you can tell she’s sizing you up to be her son’s replacement mommy.

If he works full time, you need to do a good 80% of the housework and cooking. Yes, even though you also work full time. Single gal meals can be a bagged salad, but a boyfriend is going to expect a more involved meal with twice the prep and twice the clean up.

If he works part time, he’ll be waiting at home all day for you to arrive and entertain him. You’ll be bombarded the minute you walk through the door and will have to fight tooth and nail to get a quiet hour alone, so you just wind up starting to work late so you can avoid him. This works out anyway, since the extra work hours will help support his lazy ass.

When it comes to Valentine’s Day, surprise! Your boyfriend doesn’t “believe” in that. Literally none of them do and they sell you a crappy line about how they think they can be romantic all year, even though you only ever get flowers as apologies. Every single man is like this, just like how every single man owns a poufy black leather couch at some point in his life for some fucking reason.

Christmas and birthdays are similarly crappy it is amazing how little thought men put into this. My gifts have been bowling balls (I literally don’t bowl at all wtf), kitchen tools to make HIM a birthday cake (his bday was a month after mine), nothing at all “sorry babe, you know I get paid tomorrow and there’s no point by then since it’ll be late”, or maybe he’ll take you to dinner then spend the whole night scrolling through Facebook judging how his high school friends’ wives pulled off their wedding dresses and monologuing on how he’ll never marry a woman who doesn’t have great “wedding arms” as you shrink in your chair and wonder how many hours a week at the gym you would need to add to be toned enough for the man you’ve already been dating for years.

For me, I start packing on weight a few months after the sex drops off, which is after either two years of dating or three months of living together, whichever comes first.

Being single takes all the extra chores and expenses off my plate and the weight just falls right off again. I have money to get my nails done again. I have time to see my girl friends again. I can take a silent bubble bath in my tub that is always already clean with zero video game/sports ball noises from the other room.

Men will fuck anything that walks, so there is no reason at all to date one. You can message basically any man you’ve ever met and he will be over to fuck you within a day or two.

You can buy yourself your own flowers with the money you aren’t spending on your relationship and you will enjoy them more because you didn’t have to guilt some dude into buying them.

Basically, the only downsides to being single are that you don’t get the Disney romance you were never gonna get from a man anyway.

GiantOfTheSouthSky · 2020-05-17T21:40:45+00:00

It's because we're ugly.

nagchampachampagne · 2020-05-18T07:35:59+00:00

Probably they act clingy and don’t take emotional responsibility for themselves. Nobody talks about how that makes people run in the other direction. I’ve definitely seen this happen to good looking people.

quipcustodes · 2020-05-18T19:39:37+00:00

Lots of those women are not sexless, they are having sex casually with a small number of men.

As to why they do not want to be in a relationship we can only assume that they would rather die alone than have sexual intercourse with a man on their level of attractiveness.

The good thing is that is completely fine and there is nothing you can do about it. Just make sure to stop simping and try to make sure they don't become single mothers.

2020-05-18T23:21:06+00:00

If you think about it 28% might seem to a lot but in fact is the minority of men if we compare it to the rest 72%. Most men are not sexless. The gauss chart explains this very vividly. For every trait there are people that have it the worst be it looks, money, education etc. So yeah that 28% are inadvertent losers. It is absolutely natural thing to happen. The same thing happens about height, IQ etc.

2020-05-16T20:31:11+00:00

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TechnicalMight0 · 2020-05-16T19:56:41+00:00

Mostly they're physically unattractive (short and ugly face) and/or have autism. Some live in rural places where there are many more single men than women.

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asdf333aza · 2020-05-16T22:31:22+00:00

Women would rather share an Alpha or a HVM with money and status versus dating someone at or below their own level.

Take for example the rapper "Future". Not familiar with his music, but he was in the news recently cause it turns out he just had his 7th or 8th child. One man with 7-8 baby mommas. Just a living an example of the 80/20 rule. And from my understanding more than half of them are just talentless Instagram thots who just take ass shots. Only one of them was famous like him and she has gone on to be remarried and is able to financially support herself. The other 6 or 7 live off of his success and money and his child support. They all flock to him even if they have to share him because he has money and status. Most women will choose to be baby momma number 5 to a HVM or Chad than be the wife and whole world to a regular guy who is at the same level or below them.

2020-05-17T01:09:09+00:00

Women really despise lower tier men

ontherailstoday · 2020-05-17T05:35:48+00:00

The thing I think many guys neglect in taking stock of their start place from which they will then create a plan to get what they want in life is being realistic about how much damn trouble they are, how often it is overtly obvious it is that they are trouble and work, and that it makes an impact on the calculations and maybe a few improvements to be less damn trouble would be in order.

I mean you guys mock that "If you can't handle me at my worst..." quote but ffs at least it admits that the speaker does have a worst to be handled?

Be real with yourselves guys of the 28%... at your worst most of you are a pretty fucking awful package of low rent narcissism, self aggrandizement, gas lighting, costly and counter productive habitual dopamine seeking behaviors, unproductiveness, slobbishness, angry tantrums and just general lazy ass desire to use any tactic you can to take advantage of what other people do for you without bothering to reciprocate.

2020-05-16T21:46:07+00:00

A lot of men aren’t pursuing due to the #metoo and cancel culture, and a lot of women don’t ever pursue regardless even if the men stopped pursuing altogether.

People are also working harder while wages haven’t gone up but the cost of living has generally increased. So people can’t afford the time and resources to pursue hobbies where they meet people. This isn’t just blue collar workers, think of the male STEM majors that have to spend a considerable amount of time studying.

You also have the parents from gen x that believe the outside world is scary due to the news’ sensationalized stories. And in all fairness, letting your kids play outside while not supervising them now leads to lawful neglect. It certainly helps that smart phones and computers make people more inclined to stay indoors so they aren’t social in-person. Meaning you aren’t meeting people that are potential dating prospects.

^{^} these are blue pilled narratives that imo are true.

As for OLD, guys have looser requirements for looks. While women are only looser on looks as long as the man in question brings other interesting qualities such as social status and being rich, using money in a fun manner such as boating & traveling. However, controlling for just looks women are pickier than men are. So OLD is mainly looks based and people can’t really show who they are. That’s why you have women receiving much more matches than men.

I think the blue pill narrative is playing a bigger role in explaining the sexlessness. It’s a lot harder for people to get themselves set in society now. While women’s abundance of options have increased substantially, it’s worth keeping in mind that mutual friends has always been the most common way married couples get together (although OLD is on the rise). Showing that people date those who they’re comfortable with, not complete strangers as much.

The red pillers exaggerate the AF-BB, cock carousel aspects as if it’s the majority of women that do this. While people do generally wait to get married and play the field to see the best prospects that are interested in them, this usually occurs while people don’t have as much responsibility such as owning a house. People take relationships more seriously when they graduate college as their careers start taking off.

AdolfGandi · 2020-05-17T01:12:25+00:00

Genetics. Cock not big enough, jaw not chiseled enough, too short, etc.

Christian_Kong · 2020-05-17T00:25:06+00:00

Just because that many guys are sexless doesn't mean women are single as a result. They are just jumping around in STR's/FWB's with guys outside of that %28.

Title	What about the 28% of sexless men makes women prefer to be single than date them?
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Date	May 16, 2020 6:18 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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3 or #1 Apathy. Obesity, video games, porn, drug use.

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