Are you sure size doesn't matter?

OkMagazine5034 · 2026-06-24T07:29:35+00:00

How Women Rank Dick Size Dick size does matter to a certain extent and from my understanding its like this. For this discussion lets assume girth is a constant...

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It is pretty funny you say this in a sub where there are men frequently virtue signaling that they fine 90+% of all women attractive.

No, you interpret it as virtue signaling.

The majority of men find the majority of women attractive to some degree. That's a simple fact.

The majority of women find something like 80% of men to be below average in looks.

It's not completely accurate, but women are SIGNIFICANTLY less attracted to men than the other way around.

Pointing out this fact is not virtue signaling.

Seems like most people don’t want to be seen as shallow.

I agree, but for some reason we have to continue pretending like women's shit don't stink, while treating men like they're degenerate savages.

So let's admit that most people men and women, don't want to be seen as shallow, and that there are just as many shallow and superficial women as there are shallow and superficial men.

That's what true equality means, but for some reason most women hate that kind of equality.

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The majority of men find the majority of women attractive to some degree. That's a simple fact.

No, it is not a fact. The majority of men find a majority of thin young healthy pretty women attractive. You simply do not register the majority of unattractive women as women at all. The majority of women in the US are old or fat or both… and then even some of the young thin ones are ugly beyond that.

No, men don’t find most women attractive. They just say they do as a virtue signal that they are so fair and generous … even though it makes no sense to be frame attraction in terms of fairness or morality. Their attraction is not a choice.

The majority of women find something like 80% of men to be below average in looks.

This is not a fact. You can tell by looking at actual dating couples; loads of women are not with “top 80%” men.

Exaggerating women’s preferences to paint them as hyper-picky villains while claiming men are far more reasonable and fair is a perfect example of virtue signaling.

but women are SIGNIFICANTLY less attracted to men than the other way around. Pointing out this fact is not virtue signaling.

The fact itself is not virtue signaling. Stating that men are more fair, less discriminatory, less shallow, less cruel, more loving, etc because they’ll fuck anything vaguely female looking is virtue signaling.

Claiming that men are attracted to “a majority of women” is also a lie, as I stated before.

but for some reason we have to continue pretending like women's shit don't stink, while treating men like they're degenerate savages.

The same men treat women’s preferences like women are degenerate savages for excluding any men from their pussies while they frame themselves virtuous angels for being so generous as to easily fall in love with any woman around (without mentioning she has to be actually hot).

That's what true equality means, but for some reason most women hate that kind of equality.

You yourself just pointed out that there is no equality in an effort to claim men are more “fair”.

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” men are actually terrible"

No.

I don’t think men are terrible. You’re getting pissy that I’m pointing out that men are the same as women.

"women would never do any of those horrible things men do".

No. You are getting your pants all in a twist that I’m right to point out that men are just the same way women are.

Why do you consider it such a deep insult to compare men to women and find them so deeply similar?

Men and women both try to present their own sexualities as “better”. You want to pretend women alone are bad and only they virtue signal and that men do not do this heinous behavior… which is, ironically, itself a virtue signaling claim, lol,

I cannot help that the truth makes you so upset that just shut down and call me a man-hater for discussing men and women as being similar in this regard, with similar motives and similar behaviors. But perhaps you take issue with men being compared to the women you’ve demonized.

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You’re getting pissy that I’m pointing out that men are the same as women.

Except men are not the same in women in pretending that it is virtue signalling. Women are significantly more picky than men for appearance. That is a fact and that is fine, it is not virtue signalling. Women themselves say they find few men attractive, while men say they find most women attractive to some degree. It's not virtue signalling, it is a fact that this is a difference between men and women.

Men and women both try to present their own sexualities as “better”. You want to pretend women alone are bad and only they virtue signal and that men do not do this heinous behavior… which is, ironically, itself a virtue signaling claim, lol,

Except I'm not saying it is better that men find more women attractive than the other way around, I am presenting a simple fact about how men and women are different.

You're the one choosing to interpret it as men being wrong and lying and virtue signalling, and thinking that men are the same as women.

Men are not women, and in the case of attraction to the opposite sex it is one of the areas where men and women are the least similar.

You want to pretend women alone are bad and only they virtue signal and that men do not do this heinous behavior… which is, ironically, itself a virtue signaling claim, lol,

Not sure you understand what virtue signalling means.

According to the Cambridge Dictionary, virtue signalling is "an attempt to show other people that you are a good person, for example by expressing opinions that will be acceptable to them, especially on social media... indicating that one has virtue merely by expressing disgust or favour for certain political ideas or cultural happenings"

I cannot help that the truth makes you so upset that just shut down and call me a man-hater for discussing men and women as being similar in this regard, with similar motives and similar behaviors. But perhaps you take issue with men being compared to the women you’ve demonized.

That's the thing though, men and women are NOT similar in this regard.

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respectfully your projecting how women view men onto men themselves

No, I’m observing what men say and and do. You cannot say old women are disgusting old hags, and fat women are nasty ham planets… and also claim you adore 90% of the women in general.

this was true you won’t have groups of men being dictated to every kind of women possible,

Rare extreme exceptions does not change the general rule and you know it. There are women who like short men too: if you won’t acknowledge them, why should I acknowledge men who prefer obese women?

date app statistics have also back up that men like way more women then women like of men etc etc.

Dating app statistics are that there are at least 3 men for every woman, and that lots of men spam likes at every female and then only actually filter women they like if they get a response. A substantial fraction of the female accounts are either bots or sex workers or actually men doing a “social experiment”. Dating apps do not have any stats on who men actually genuinely like or are attracted to. The apps have stats on how men game a really shitty app.

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No, I’m observing what men say and and do. You cannot say old women are disgusting old hags, and fat women are nasty ham planets… and also claim you adore 90% of the women in general.

Women tell short men to kill themselves all the time

There are women who like short men too: if you won’t acknowledge them, why should I acknowledge men who prefer obese women?

The numbers are much smaller while you find bbws in various place you'll never find a we love short kings sub or something of that sort and you know it. Things like dating app statistics also back up that men have been less picky for decades.

Dating app statistics are that there are at least 3 men for every woman, and that lots of men spam likes at every female and then only actually filter women they like if they get a response. A substantial fraction of the female accounts are either bots or sex workers or actually men doing a “social experiment”. Dating apps do not have any stats on who men actually genuinely like or are attracted to. The apps have stats on how men game a really shitty app.

It's still the largest sample size we have for data on mating behaviors. It's also the least affected by virtual signaling.

Also women dating app behaviors has been claiming that they've been fighting over the top 5-20% of men for decades.

As you find that the data on what they find attractive is significantly more uniform then it is for men. To add there no are we dating the same women groups like there are are we dating the same men ones.

And then you have evolutionary evidence like women being the ones who get pregnant.

All the above points evidence to hypergamy being how women select not men.

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Women tell short men to kill themselves all the time

No. You are clearly trolling if you think this is normal behavior anywhere.

The numbers are much smaller

The number of women telling short men to die is way smaller than the number of men telling unattractive women to die, but you’re only here to shame women and glaze for men.

Things like dating about statistics also back up that men have been less picky for decades.

Why do you think that being willing to suck it up and fuck someone you don’t like with a paper bag over their head is some weird virtue signal flex?

It's still the largest sample size we have for data on mating behaviors

Bad skewed data is not useful data for drawing conclusions about the general population.

Also women data app behaviors has been claiming that they've been fighting over the top 5-20% of men for decades.

With men outnumbering women 4-1 on the app, it is the expected outcome that only 1 in 4 men will be paired with a woman via an app. If there’s 80 men on an app and only 20 women, why do you think it’s unfair that only 20 of those men get a woman? Are women on the apps supposed to fuck 4 men each to make it fair?

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The number of women telling short men to die is way smaller than the number of men telling unattractive women to die, but you’re only here to shame women and glaze for men.

highly doubt it when one’s socially expectable and one will give you an immediate trip to HR (unless you have enough status)

Why do you think that being willing to suck it up and fuck someone you don’t like with a paper bag over their head is some weird virtue signal flex?

Those numbers are impossible to prove btw it’s just that women throw themselves at the most likely men to behave like this.

when average men are blatantly ignored and attractive men who are relationship oriented get picked within 3 seconds it does make logical sense which guys women are left with.

With men outnumbering women 4-1 on the app, it is the expectedoutcome that only 1 in 4 men will be paired with a woman via an app. If there’s 80 men on an app and only 20 women, why do you think it’s unfair that only 20 of those men get a woman? Are women on the apps supposed to fuck 4 men each to make it fair?

even then you’d still expect said 1/4 men to have about an even number of likes and matches. The equation you claiming is real doesn’t add up when even with in that group some guys get 2 matches in a year and others get 1000, the numbers are still to lob sided.

they you hear about the are we dating the same guy apps, or just a story of a dude with 6 baby mommies on one hand and the male loneliness epidemic on the other.

the truth is red pill pilling unfortunately.

on top of all this you really have yet to give any evidence for why you believe it’s actually men who are hypergamous.

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highly doubt it when one’s socially expectable and one will give you an immediate trip to HR

Tell me you have never ever worked in a corporate environment without telling me, lol.

No, it’s not fucking “expectable” or acceptable to tell anyone to die in the workplace, man or woman. Stop doomscrolling this curated manosphere stupid bullshit and touch grass.

Those numbers are impossible to prove btw it’s just that women throw themselves at the most likely men to behave like this.

This must be more of that “male accountability” the manosphere keeps bragging about: no matter what a man does, it’s actually always a woman’s fault and she made him do it. Lol, so predictable,

when average men are blatantly ignored

Most average men are not ignored at all. It is not even remotely the case that 80% of men are virgins. Your problem is either that you think very below average men are the average ones… or that you think a man is “ignored” if he doesn’t have a hundred casual sex partners throwing themselves at him constantly. Average men are not ignored. They have sex with women and find partners.

or just a story of a dude with 6 baby mommies

Tells me everything I need to know about the kind of woman you want— you want bad-decision-making dumb slut girls, and will always eternally ignore any woman who prefers a stable relationship with a decent average man, lol.

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Tell me you have never ever worked in a corporate environment without telling me, lol.

No, it’s not fucking “expectable” or acceptable to tell anyone to die in the workplace, man or woman. Stop doomscrolling this curated manosphere stupid bullshit and touch grass.

They ethier do it in private are rich or are rich and high positioned enough to vet away with it. Otherwise that's a trip to HR.

This must be more of that “male accountability” the manosphere keeps bragging about: no matter what a man does, it’s actually always a woman’s fault and she made him do it. Lol, so predictable,

When women keep complaining about being pumped and dumped and the you realize it's the same serial cheater with 4 baby mommy just because he happens to be tall and have a good face the choose better state.ent does become more accurate.

Most average men are not ignored at all. It is not even remotely the case that 80% of men are virgins. Your problem is either that you think very below average men are the average ones… or that you think a man is “ignored” if he doesn’t have a hundred casual sex partners throwing themselves at him constantly. Average men are not ignored. They have sex with women and find partners.

Well one we were taking about dating apps in the above which is easily proveable. Secondly beta bux is a known thing where dudes get begrudgingly chosen by using single women's cause chads ethier finally getting married or pumping and du ping younger.

Tells me everything I need to know about the kind of woman you want— you want bad-decision-making dumb slut girls, and will always eternally ignore any woman who prefers a stable relationship with a decent average man, lol.

Using the logic you brought here can't I just say that this is the case regarding your claims on male hypergamy. Which btw you have yet to explain whatsoever.

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They ethier do it in privately or are rich and high positioned enough to to simply get away with it.

I assert that you are making this up in your own head: how are you even observing this behavior it if is rich powerful people talking in secret backrooms?

I have never been in the room where it happened… are you claiming that you are a rich and powerful man, and that rich and powerful women are constantly confessing to you that they hate men? I cannot express how incredibly unrealistic this all sounds.

When women keep complaining about being pumped and dumped and the you realize it's the same serial cheater with 4 baby mommy

These are the women you are most attracted to and pay the most attention to. Not most women. I don’t know any of these women personally. You fail to take responsibility for choosing which women you will cast all your attention at. I know the male sex drive is supposed to be very difficult to control, but why are you so determined to obsess over these women and ignore all the many many higher quality women who do not have any “baby daddies” with lots of “baby mommas”?

Well one we were taking about dating apps in the above which is easily proveable.

The dating apps are bad data because they are incredibly imbalanced. Of course only a small percentage of men on dating apps find success: there are literally not enough women on the app for more than a quarter (or less) of those men to find a mate.

Secondly beta bux is a known thing where dudes get begrudgingly chosen by using single women's cause chads ethier finally getting married or pumping and du ping younger.

So you are not interested in a relationship with a woman. The only kind of thing you will ever count as a success is having a harem of trashy sluts. And you openly insult any man and woman in a loving relationship as being “beta bucks” and a “pumped and dumped” gold digger.

That’s pretty clear confirmation of what I said before.

is the case regarding your claims on male hypergamy. Which btw you have yet to explain whatsoever.

You’re a prime example right here: obsessing over only the most extremely sexual, promiscuous women while dismissing any other woman as subpar, undesirable. You highlighted a huge fraction of men chasing desperately after only the very small minority of women on dating apps who are offering casual sex.

The hypergamy here is many many men chasing after the rarest, most desirable women: the young pretty women who are willing to have easy instant sex with no commitment. These are the top 10% women that so many men (yourself included) treat as the desirable ones they actually put in all their effort to chase.

Meanwhile, you dismiss your actual average woman counterparts with insults. Looks and quacks like hypergamy.

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I assert that you are making this up in your own head: how are you even observing this behavior it if is rich powerful people talking in secret backrooms?

I have never been in the room where it happened… are you claiming that you are a rich and powerful man, and that rich and powerful women are constantly confessing to you that they hate men? I cannot express how incredibly unrealistic this all sounds.

It carries much higher social implications then does for when fot women when they behave in that sort of fashion. So it's less frequently done unless in private, with the expection of the rich and powerful how have little fear of consequences.

I have never been in the room where it happened… are you claiming that you are a rich and powerful man, and that rich and powerful women are constantly confessing to you that they hate men? I cannot express how incredibly unrealistic this all sounds.

No just that rich people in general can avoid consequences. So they don't care. The rest of this is irrelevant.

These are the women you are most attracted to and pay the most attention to. Not most women. I don’t know any of these women personally. You fail to take responsibility for choosing which women you will cast all your attention at. I know the male sex drive is supposed to be very difficult to control, but why are you so determined to obsess over these women and ignore all the many many higher quality women who do not have any “baby daddies” with lots of “baby mommas”?

That feels like strawman. But anyways we can also just sit here and claim that your hypergamy only allows you so see the highest vauled men in whatever work department your in get away with such behavior.

You’re a prime example right here: obsessing over only the most extremely sexual, promiscuous women while dismissing any other woman as subpar, undesirable. You highlighted a huge fraction of men chasing desperately after only the very small minority of women on dating apps who are offering casual sex.

That's also a straw men and leap of logic again same as the above paragraph. Expect maybe for the promiscuous part, as unlike man how sexual partners aren't nearly as restricted by looks and status

also science legit points to men Less men reproducing women which goes heavily against your claims. Dating apps still have women 4 and 3s.getting tons of attention so as women outside of siad apps so the idea that apps having fewer women then men (which is 100% there choice btw) automatically make men hypergamous for uh... some reason according to you holds no water.

The hypergamy here is many many men chasing after the rarest, most desirable women: the young pretty women who are willing to have easy instant sex with no commitment. These are the top 10% women that so many men (yourself included) treat as the desirable ones they actually put in all their effort to chase.

this doesn't really prove much, unless the argument is now anyone whatsoever that isn't attracted to a particular age is high hypergamous which won't include anyone who isn't a pedophile and also still women who largely don't like dating men that are younger then them. Which leaves us where we started it's women whonsre hypergamous.

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Sorry, I typoed— I was editing and didn’t switch that correctly. That should be top 20% of men.

Loads of women are with men who are not “top 20%” men. Average women date average men all the time.

Most men do in fact date. It’s not just the “top 20%” of men. So yeah, most women aren’t the hyper picky evil bitches this guy is trying to claim.

But no, it’s not a contradiction. When men online say “I am attracted to 90% of women”… they are absolutely not considering below average women at all.

There are rare men and rare women who will date the well-below average… but they are uncommon and don’t find each other easily.

But the average man? No, he doesn’t consider ugly fat old women, lol. It’s fine, and nobody expects them to. I just want them to stop lying and virtue signaling about it. Like no, 22 year old PPD poster, you do not actually consider the majority of the female population attractive. You consider the majority of healthy thin pretty women around your age to be attractive… the same women that men of every age and weight considers attractive.

Stop pretending you’re some kind of saint because you’ll fuck a skinny girl with big tits but a mid face, lol.

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And there are women who have murdered men and falsely accused men, so it can happen, but I'm sure you'd agree it is extremely dishonest to say "men are at risk of murdered or falsely accused of rape whenever they're near women".

The fsct you can't even see the obvious dishonesty in what you say shows me you have truly internalized your hatred of men and see men as truly sub human.

By your logic, any conclusions drawn by psychologists throughout history can only be applied to that specific situation. Which invalidates most, if not all, psychological studies and conclusions throughout history.

No, by my logic, if you make a game where you explicitly tell th participants how much points they get for lying, you are priming them to lie to win at the game.

The study is fantastic for seeing that in a deception based game men lie more than women and are better liars than women. That doesn't translate to men lying more than women in real life.

There are ways to study for finding that out, this study isn't it.

But this study says what you want it to say and paints men in a bad light, so that's good enough for you to justify your hatred of men.

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Oh no I have read your comments, but when a dishonest person can't see their own dishonesty it's because they either believe their own lies or are so deluded they can't recognize they are lies.

Concluding that I have a “hatred of men” and see men as “sub human” based off me stating facts and giving published & peer reviewed evidence is wild.

So if I said that it is factually true that women are weaker, stupider, and more emotional than men, as well as being significantly better with kids than men, and therefore factually women shouldn't have the right to vote, and I say this in complete sincerity because I absolutely believed that chaining women to the kitchen was legitimately the best life for them, how would you qualify that?

It's not dishonest if I believe it honestly, it's not hatred, because I'd want to chain women to the kitchen out of love and a desire to protect them, and it's not hatred because I don't hate women.

So how would you qualify those facts?

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I didn’t feel the need to mention that most men don’t end up killing women, a

Of course you didn't, but you did make a comment as though the average woman is at risk of being murdered by men if she makes men feel insecure.

And that's the dishonest part.

I never blamed all men for the behavior of all men.

But you did make a comment saying that any random woman might get murdered by any random man if she makes him feel insecure.

It's painting it as possible without mentioning how INCREDIBLY UNLIKELY that is.

I never blamed all men for the behavior of all men

You did, you just refuse to acknowledge it. Simply specify that a tiny minority of men might kill women, and women ought to be warty of this tiny minority of men, not wary of all men as though any man might kill her. It's really not that hard.

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It is for equality by ending the subjugation of the oppressed class (women).

Are women really oppressed though? Or are we just defining it by fiat, looking for proof, and ignoring any and all proof that men could be oppressed?

Men are already advantaged and from an equality perspective they don't need even more unearned help.

Is this true or is this assumed? I'd think the fact men are 75% of the homeless, 80% of the suicide victims, 95% of workplace fatalities, that boys are being failed by the school system starting in 3ty grade and falling further behind every year after that, and that men are less than 40% of university undergraduates, shows a rather different reality.

They can have help once women are on at least equal footing.

On what footing are women not equal?

What about the footings where women are already more equal than men, like women being 60% of undergrads?

Also, do you really think trickle down equality is a good thing?

You're just proving patriarchy by insisting even feminism, a movement for ending women's oppression, should focus more on helping and centring men.

Nope, just holding feminism accountable to its own promise that it cares about actual equality and that feminism is for men too.

I'm fine if feminism wants to say it is a female supremacist movement and doesn't give a damn about men, it just can't go around calininf it is for equality.

Treating equality like a one way street exclusively to the benefit of women isn't equality at all.

Women already help men a whole lot more than the other way around, and without insisting they're paid for it or get something else in return. And their sacrifices apparently still are not enough.

Funny thing that because men feel the exact same way.

So maybe we should look at unbiased statistics instead of biased feelings.

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Hey dude, the equavilent to dick is pussy.

No, it isn't. No one talks about pussy at all, and the dick is always talked about in any possible context. So there is no equivalence there.

Dick isnt visible the majority of the time, unlike tits and ass, and I dont kiss and tell.

Tits and ass aren't visible either. What are you talking about?

Idgaf if you believe me. Men on this sub come here to explain women to themselves, why would i expect different from you?

But the most ironic thing is that you are treating yourself as if you represent all women. You don't. That was my point. I was talking from my personal experience in communicating with women. With a lot of women. Some of them would never ever mention anything about their sex life, under any circumstances. On the other hand, some can't stop talking about it. Am I still explaining women to a woman if I make a claim that each woman is her own person? You don't seem to believe that.

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Yeah that was the point of the comment, MEN talk about dick. Who's dick was bigger, if yours is enough, how sad you are about it.

Everybody talks about dick. Even if it's in passing. There are dick jokes that you can witness in your favorite sitcom, there are dick insults thrown all around (you've probably done a fair share of that yourself as well, one way or the other), and people (not just men) are talking about dick size constantly.

Also, men talk about pussy in the most degrading horrible ways.

Who? When? Why? I've never ever been a part of that kind of conversation. Can you give me an example of what that "degrading horrible way" is when someone talks about pussy?

You can't see ass and tits on the regular? You've never been to the beach? The gym? Seen someone wearing fitted clothes? I knew a dude walking around with a shelf you could see through a loose military uniform. Dick isnt usually visible until you lose a lot more clothes.

But that's not seeing tits and ass. That's seeing them partially. It's like noticing a dick outline in someone's pants.

Reread my comment and tell me where I spoke for women. Please, ill wait.

Np, it's here:

Men on this sub come here to explain women to themselves, why would i expect different from you?

You are insinuating that my sharing the experiences that I had with women in my life (a LOT of women) equals me explaining women to themselves. You are literally nullifying the experiences and voices of women I personally know because it doesn't suit your narrative. You are the arbiter of which women we should listen to and which women we won't. Isn't that exactly you speaking for all women?

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No brother, everyone doesnt talk about dicks. Youre preoccupied and projecting your own thoughts onto other people. The fact that you dont know of any conversations around men saying something along the lines of "hotdogs down the hallway" "blown out" and "used up" is just further indicators of your preoccupation.

Also, I can tell someone has a fat ass through their clothes. To a lesser degree, someone could tell breast size without losing clothes either. That was the point of that comment. I cant know any details beyond, he has a dick, from a dick print, if thats even visible. What a pointless argument.

You arent a serious person, I mentioned my own experience, you said you dont believe me and now im talking for other people because you refuse to believe the women here telling you they dont have dick on their mind nearly as often as you seem to? Be so fucking for real. I spoke for myself, you need to believe women are thinking about dick and refuse to hear otherwise because YOU are preoccupied with it.

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No brother, everyone doesnt talk about dicks. Youre preoccupied and projecting your own thoughts onto other people. The fact that you dont know of any conversations around men saying something along the lines of "hotdogs down the hallway" "blown out" and "used up" is just further indicators of your preoccupation.

So, isn't that a positive thing? We are talking about dicks, and we don't talk about pussy at all, especially not in "the most degrading, horrible ways". That's supposed to be a positive thing, right?

You arent a serious person, I mentioned my own experience, you said you dont believe me

Correct, I instantly responded with a sarcastic remark doubting the honesty of your comment. Because I don't believe you.

and now im talking for other people because you refuse to believe the women here telling you they dont have dick on their mind nearly as often as you seem to

I said that you are talking for other people because you said:

Men on this sub come here to explain women to themselves, why would i expect different from you?

Because I didn't do that. I just shared my experience talking to a LOT of women during my lifetime. And your sentence completely disregards that. The thing is, I didn't explain women to you, either their thoughts or their actions. I didn't try to give my vision or meaning to those things, like women can't speak for themselves, I literally just passed on the information that was passed on to me.

you need to believe women are thinking about dick and refuse to hear otherwise because YOU are preoccupied with it.

No, I choose to listen and to believe what they are telling me. And I'm not claiming that they are talking about dick 24/7, far from it, they barely ever mention it, but it's mentioned when we talk openly about sex.

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When women say size doesn't matter it's more of an "a man with any size can please a woman" and "a specific penis size won't automatically mean the sex will be great"

Of course some people have a size preference but it's different for everyone and only a tiny minority of people would make decision based on that.

Many man assume bigger is better but for many women it can become painful if it's too big. Sure some women like it huge but not everyone. And even if you like them big, that doesn't necessarily mean you can't be pleased by an average one.

So I would assume that in more than 90% of cases a woman will not want to sleep with you more because you told her your D size (even if it is her ideal size). And once she has decided to sleep with you it is very unrealistic that she will change her mind because of your size.

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Honestly as a dude I feel like size doesn’t matter and I know it’s a hot take amongst men.

I was a VERY late bloomer and had to mentally cope with and accept I might be stuck at a smaller size growing up. Started having sex at around 4.5x4.5” and my sex life with high school girlfriends was awesome and fulfilling and I made them finish.

Through college grew to 6.5x5.5” and I can say the difference isn’t that crazy. There are some positions open to me now that weren’t before, I fall out less frequently, and I feel more confident sending nude pics…but the sex is still just as fulfilling and I’m still making my partners finish. I still can’t do that without foreplay or clit stimulation, even though I feel like my size is about perfect.

For what it’s worth, the girl I lost my virginity to at 4.5” and I hooked up many years later, and said the sex was borderline painful and she missed “little me”.

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It matters, but is truly not a deciding feature in a relationship unless the sex is bad. But the bad can come from any size peen.

The stuff that is mandatory to women is often different from what guys think is impressive.

Think about it this way, in certain groups, especially "purity" cultures/religion... they women have been so conditioned that sex is how you ruin you life, it doesn't get fixed overnight once they are married. They often are sex adversed, you think that someone who dislikes sex is jazzed about a 7" cock?

How about women with conditions that make penetrative sex physically painful? How about women with enough trauma they just want to find a gay guy to have a baby with, because THAT is is less hassles than trying to find a guy willing to go slow enough.

Women have similar levels of internal variation. The external labia is no hint. Neither is body weight or height. It changes for the post partum time, but then goes back to normal. Breasts dont because they are not held in shape by muscle, the vagine is.

Most women are built like a funnel on the inside, snug in the entry, then various amounts of width at the top by the cervix.

Most a average built women are happiest with average shaped men. We're low key how averages work.

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Women like male status. There seem to be some biological constraints around exactly what type of status we can make women care about in mating, but this is actually fairly plastic culturally.

There is another aspect, though I doubt it applies to you. But as we all get on the hedonic treadmill and degenerate, we will do so in gendered ways. Men are not that picky, but a man with options that gets into maximizing sexual pleasure and excitement is going to increasingly want hotter and younger girls. My friend is like that. He talks about height in girls. Vaginal tightness. All sorts of specific things he now wants or loses attraction.

Well, a woman who goes down that path is probably gonna care about such things in men. She will want larger dicks, partly for the feel (so long as not too large for her if she is small). Partly for the the aesthetic excitement and feeling of power a bigger dick can create, etc. Known women in the modern version of the swinging community that are totally like that. Interestingly, classic swinging for middle-aged suburbanites that started back in the day had all sorts of built in things to try to mitigate it becoming purely about escalating sexual hedonism and superficiality. The modern gen of swingers, powered by the ability of the internet to find others like them, are very different. They trend younger. They actually do not want a friendship component. They want to travel on weekends to places nobody will know them and hook up with other young and hot couples with tight bodies and big dicks, then leave.

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I think you're probably overestimating size and underestimating skill.

Size matters to some extent, especially at the extremes, but knowing how to use what you have is likely far more important for most women than moving from one size category to another.

That's one reason why you hear so many women say size isn't everything. They aren't necessarily saying size has zero impact. They're saying a guy with average size and good sexual skills is often going to outperform a bigger guy who has no idea what he's doing.

The other issue is that women aren't all looking for the same thing. Some prefer larger, some prefer average, some find very large uncomfortable. That's why these rankings tend to break down once you move beyond broad generalizations.

So if I had to rank importance, skill would probably be above the difference between most of these categories. The gap between a skilled and unskilled partner is likely much bigger than the gap between average and big for most women.

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This is quite off from reality, as the average is closer to about 6" (4"-8" is the typically given average range, see furtherdown below), while the average dick is about 5.5". Furthermore, while some of the length can indeed not fully enter depending on positioning and how close the balls are hanging to the body, this effect seems to be grossly overstated by you insofar I found documentation and is thus mostly irrelevant. What is however quite relevant is that a vagina stretches from it's unaroused state of 2"-4" to accommodate the penis depending on its size and girth insofar it fits within its natural range. There is however apart from the physical maximum also a comfortable maximum as a lot of women hate their cervix being hit. The cervix also tends to move up and down a lot depending on a woman's menstrual cycle, so some margin there also leads to more comfort. Last but not least, average penises are also a lot more practical as it takes a lot less to warm up and keep going, regardless of how aroused and/or wet one is at the beginning (getting drier with age is a thing for example, even when aroused).

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So, I said average is “about 5 inches” so 5.5 is just as close to what I said as the 6 inches you cited.

You said that my estimated buffer zone of about 1-3 inches is grossly overestimated, but you fail to provide your estimate.

I’m aware of the approximate unaroused vaginal length that you mentioned.

I’m aware that the vagina accommodates the size of the penis which is inserted; however, to be maximally pleasured, women need a skilled man with a larger than average penis length.

The anterior and posterior fornices allow for deeper penetration than the cervix, which doesn’t need to be hit directly.

I’m aware that the vaginal length varies throughout a woman’s menstrual cycle, but not coincidentally, it’s longest when most fertile leading up to menstruation.

Even though it takes less to warm up for an average penis, for most hormonally healthy women with a sincerely robust libido for their partner, warming up is worth the pleasure of a larger than average penis.

Vaginal dryness due to aging can be mitigated during intercourse with the use of lubricant.

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I’d guess

Yup, you can “guess” whatever you like, however that doesn’t make it true.

There are a lot of men who come into this or similar subs wanting to talk about penis size. What I never see is any talk about vagina size. Surely a big penis needs a big pussy? And a tiny penis would do better in a tiny pussy?

So the “ideal” penis size is completely relative to the vagina size.

However women do not care about this, except in extremely rare situations where there is a significant mismatch between body parts.

The reason why most women do not waste time thinking or caring about this is because the size of a man’s penis does not correlate to how good a partner or lover he is, how good the sex will be, how good the relationship will be. Attraction and relationships are already complex enough without getting hung up on trivial details.

Only a very small proportion of love making even involves p in v. Men who focus on their penis tend to make bad lovers.

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That means 85% are satisfied with an average size.

That is what the study says.

Why would you selectively fixate on the minority rather than the vast majority?

My general answer is that there's always going to be people who are insecure about their looks and body parts. Sex matters more to men psychologically, imo. It is a matter of development.

If men on average prefer large boobs, does that mean they won’t date a woman with average or small breasts?

I wouldn't compare it to breast size...penises are hidden from view and they have a sexual advantage so there is more of an incentive and reward for boasting. Nobody (offline) contradicts that either because it is ambiguous, how can you really prove that you wouldn't find something pleasurable?

Do women with average or small boobs have to worry?

Breasts are something that women are chosen for first and won't be rejected for after (explicitly). If you are packing something in the downstairs department, then you will feel and act more confident, and size has a functional role in orgasm in the women we discussed (some women only orgasm vaginally, and women who prefer larger penises are more likely to have vaginal orgasms, and less likely to value other forms of sexual pleasure), so it's related to sexual compatibility.

So you’re telling me that even the 14% who were unsatisfied with average penis size were happy to date

I have no idea if they are happy.

Size is generally not a deal breaker, so it doesn’t matter.

It was not studied from the perspective of dating but only partners who already made the choice, so there's no way of knowing how much of a deal breaker it can be. To dismiss this as "doesn't matter" only reinforces the same dynamic.

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Actually the only time I’ve seen men talk about it is when they get it totally wrong. Like they think virgin = tight pussy and large pussy = slut, which is BS.

Women come in all different shapes and sizes naturally, just like men’s penises
Vaginas can tighten and loosen during sexual arousal at different stages. Foreplay and arousal loosens it up. Orgasm triggers a series of contractions. Some women have a condition where stress/anxiety tightens their vagina closed to the point they can’t insert anything. Consciously tightening pelvic floor. However the specific range will vary woman by woman.
lubrication makes a massive difference to how it feels
changes over her life, gaining/losing weight, strength of muscles, by age, having a baby, health conditions, etc.

The point being, when the vagina varies so much, why would there be one universal ideal of penis? And men care more about penis size (because of ego or insecurity) than most women do.

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Of course all the women you have been with have told you what you want to hear, because obviously your ego couldn’t handle it if they were to tell you otherwise.

It’s basically the duty of women to stroke men’s ego. So if a guy has a big penis you tell him you love the size of his dick. If he has a medium penis you tell him you love the size of his dick. And if he has a little penis you tell him you love the size of his dick. Because most men are overly fixated on their penis and want reassurance.

That doesn’t mean that we actually care what size it was.

I mean, do you think after your relationships failed those women then refused to date men with smaller penises, or that they would have told subsequent lovers that their penises were too small?

And IF penis size did matter as you claim - then why did they break up with you and your massive dong? Surely that would make all women want to stay with you.

Other than I would say I don’t think I would like a “massive” penis as that would be more likely to hurt, especially if the man wielding it had an equally massive ego. However I’d be unlikely to be critical to a man I was dating of his penis, as he can’t change it, and that would be rude and hurtful.

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Of course all the women you have been with have told you what you want to hear, because obviously your ego couldn’t handle it if they were to tell you otherwise.

Maybe you're right, maybe my ego really couldn't handle it (whatever it is), but I didn't get the chance to experience that test.

It’s basically the duty of women to stroke men’s ego. So if a guy has a big penis you tell him you love the size of his dick. If he has a medium penis you tell him you love the size of his dick. And if he has a little penis you tell him you love the size of his dick. Because most men are overly fixated on their penis and want reassurance.

Are you doing that for each and every man you are with? Do you think that each and every woman is doing that for each and every man they are with? Can you imagine what a wonderful place this world would be for men if that were the case :D

That doesn’t mean that we actually care what size it was.

Are you telling me not to believe women because they are liars? I'm sorry, but I chose to believe women!

I mean, do you think after your relationships failed those women then refused to date men with smaller penises, or that they would have told subsequent lovers that their penises were too small?

I said nothing about that and made no presumptions. My point is just that you can't say "It doesn't matter!" if you have never tried something. How can you claim it doesn't matter? That's the most egotistical thing to say, and here you are calling out my ego.

And IF penis size did matter as you claim - then why did they break up with you and your massive dong? Surely that would make all women want to stay with you.

They weren't with me because of my penis, you silly donkey. That was one of the factors, but not the only one. I'm also incredibly attractive, intelligent, and successful. Of all the relationships (or flings) that I had, exactly one was with a woman I pursued; the rest were me accepting their advances. And exactly one woman who broke up with me.

Other than I would say I don’t think I would like a “massive” penis as that would be more likely to hurt, especially if the man wielding it had an equally massive ego.

Yes, there were many times it would hurt them, and many times, there was literally no way to proceed with sex. I was always an attentive lover, and I never pushed beyond someone's discomfort.

However I’d be unlikely to be critical to a man I was dating of his penis, as he can’t change it, and that would be rude and hurtful.

Thank you for that, honestly.

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If I could interject, I am friends with a lot of 'sex positive' women who will openly discuss what turns them on with no feelings spared. They're very open about they like/don't like in terms of race, height, voice, sexual behaviours, presentation, beards and facial attractiveness, body hair levels, traditional masculinity (or lack of) or wealth/income (and not all of them had the same preferences).

But of all those women not a single one was a 'size' queen. Some (but not all) were height queens and were exclusively attracted to very tall men, but every single one found the idea of a big one inside them horrifying, a couple who had had the experience found it unpleasant enough to make it a 'never again'.

Not trying to burst your bubble or dispute your experiences to be clear. I've no doubt there are a lot of size queens out there. But I don't think they're the majority. To use a rough analogy I'd argue size queens are the female equivalent of men with foot fetishes. Not something most are into but the few that are tend to be... obnoxiously vocal about it.

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Many women don’t care about height.

And many do. What's funny about grouping people in "I don't care about height" and "I care about height" camps is that women who casually say "I don't care about height, as long as he is taller than me" are placed in a "I don't care about height " camp. But why is that? She obviously cares about height and has a strict cutoff. That cutoff may include many men, but will also exclude many men if she is a woman who is taller than average.

I think men are more likely to care.

That's because women care. If they didn't, men wouldn't care.

Some men don’t want to date a woman taller than them, because they want to feel “bigger” and link it to their sense of masculinity.

Purely a chicken and an egg situation. Maybe he doesn't want to date a woman taller than him because he knows that she wouldn't want to date him?

However for those who are influenced by height, they can see that at a glance. People don’t know a man’s penis size until after they have formed a connection, in which case even if they had a preference they are unlikely to be superficial enough to be influenced by it unless there is a serious incompatibility.

Superficial, you say. God forbid we run into superficial people; they are such a rare breed in today's society.

I think you need to remember that women don’t need a penis to enjoy sex or reach orgasm. If we can do enjoy it without a penis, why would penis size matter?

They don't need height to reach orgasm, so why does height matter?

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Title	Are you sure size doesn't matter?
Author	OkMagazine5034
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Comments	359
Date	June 24, 2026 7:29 AM UTC (1 month ago)
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