He ain't wrong

Brockkilledspeedy · 2019-07-08T10:57:23+00:00

I'll never forget the Rhonda Rousey interview where she's like "uh, no I don't. I'm the best right now but I don't bring in as much revenue as the top man, so I shouldn't get paid as much as he does cause it doesn't make sense".

bassplayer96 · 2019-07-08T12:57:41+00:00

22 million viewers watched the women’s final. 1 billion watched the mens. Pump up that audience and maybe you can get more money.

clumzazael · 2019-07-08T13:18:57+00:00

US womens national team lost to 15U boys.

electric_screams · 2019-07-08T08:34:05+00:00

We’re just in time to roll this over to Wimbledon too.

Latest-greatest · 2019-07-08T09:47:49+00:00

Imagine chanting equal pay with absolutely no evidence to support that claim. Congrats to the women for their achievement but maybe they Should stay off Twitter and Facebook and learn some real facts

Edit: I appreciate everyone commenting their side of this debate and I appreciate that we are being respectful to each other. I’m not trying to knock these women or any woman. My whole point is in this age of social media it’s so easy to get misinformed and then run wild on something we saw on twitter that probably isn’t true.

HermanGould · 2019-07-08T06:56:02+00:00

And they will be even more overpaid, UEFA has said he will promote women's football in the future, with what money ? with men's supporters money obviously

Feminism at its finest, claiming autonomy while getting men money

USMA18 · 2019-07-08T10:53:19+00:00

The half filled stadium erupted in shouts I bet

tothecatmobile · 2019-07-08T09:52:45+00:00

The players aren't paid by the competition organisers though, they're paid by their national football associations.

A fairer comparison would be how much money the men and womens team brings in for their FAs.

bonecrusher1 · 2019-07-08T11:13:55+00:00

why i cant seem to notice any male models protesting about equal pay?

ThewannabeTemplar · 2019-07-08T10:24:07+00:00

Where would one find info on this? So I can show others and back it up

Beepboopcomrad · 2019-07-08T11:45:42+00:00

My wife likes watching American Ninja Warrior and I asked her if they make the women run the same course and hold them to the same expectations. If I remember correctly, they do, but have a system that also promotes more female participation without interfering with the actual competition, which has both sex as contenders.

legzMcGee · 2019-07-08T11:18:52+00:00

That's like chanting equal pay at an arena football game cause NFL players get more

aroh100876 · 2019-07-08T14:50:24+00:00

I wonder if the crowd knows that tickets for men games are way more expensive, if they would be willing to pay the difference and if they would ever be able to fill a stadium to watch the women play.

Edit: fixed grammar.

LoveKina · 2019-07-08T11:34:32+00:00

This is the exact same thing that happened with the wnba. Except the NBA had to buy majority to keep them running and the wnba couldn't sell enough seats to even run the games in arenas anymore. But hey equality I guess.

OliverCromwell1650 · 2019-07-08T12:43:48+00:00

They also got beat 5-2 by a team of 14-15 year boys. Not even like a national team, mind you, just a fairly ordinary team from a mid-sized city where the sport isn't even that popular.

Those boys make exactly nothing, by the way.

digitalEarthling · 2019-07-08T10:45:30+00:00

What a cheesy fucking clown world.

2019-07-08T13:44:29+00:00

The fact that the women don’t understand why they make less playing women’s soccer just reinforces why they make less. Ignorance isn’t bliss.

Darigone · 2019-07-08T12:23:01+00:00

Life is complicated and people make it more complicated.

That’s why people take things at face value, it’s easier.

No one wants to consider anything more than what’s at face value for things like women’s pay vs men’s pay.

Every hourly job I have worked woman have made the exact amount. This whole women make .75 for every dollar a man makes in America is very very outdated. Very very wrong.

Any wage gaps that may happen is in jobs you negotiate your contracts for.
That just boils down to how well you can sell yourself.

Lord_Teapot · 2019-07-08T12:59:10+00:00

all sports should be integrated, no more male/female leagues. the hilarity will be well worth it.

live3orfry · 2019-07-08T14:36:28+00:00

Imagine confusing prize money with salary...

gahd95 · 2019-07-08T11:50:31+00:00

It would make sense to pay them equally if everyone in the crowd agreed to pay 4 times more for their tickets.

Ketsa · 2019-07-08T11:43:15+00:00

Really the crowd chants equal pay? How spontaneous do you think it was? 100 percent prepared.

LosebVis · 2019-07-08T10:32:24+00:00

look mayne people just aint as intrested in females sports as males

williocheerio33 · 2019-07-08T12:04:26+00:00

If they want equal pay, let’s get rid of the men’s team and the women’s team. In the name of equality, we should have one national team where the best soccer players play on it. If Alex Morgan can prove herself more valuable than Jozy Altidore, then so be it.

bradtwo · 2019-07-08T12:02:39+00:00

Give them 100% of the ticket price, I don’t care.

It isn’t a percentage, it the attendees. All those shouting “equal pay” aren’t really thinking where the money is coming from.

Where the fuck are they going to get it ? From the men’s league ?

TopPangolin · 2019-07-08T10:31:02+00:00

The world cup doesnt matter. The amount generated from all games is important and the women make more money for the federation than men.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

kigganon19 · 2019-07-08T11:32:49+00:00

Isn't the us women team generating More Money than men? I think i recall am article about this

Edit: found it https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html

Jeromestad · 2019-07-08T12:13:25+00:00

The entire England (mens) football team has been giving all their wages to charity for the past 10 to 15 years.

EagleDarkX · 2019-07-08T13:25:04+00:00

All this tells me is that women's football isn't as corrupt yet.

fatrick3 · 2019-07-08T13:43:23+00:00

Wait, there was a world cup?

markanthony2487 · 2019-07-08T14:00:30+00:00

I enjoyed the games from the USWNT and would like to see more people pay attention to thier games. With that said it's not the men's fault that they draw a larger crowd. It's like the NBA vs WNBA. That's just the nature of sports right now.

Banned_For_Opinion · 2019-07-08T14:07:49+00:00

It's almost like women and people victimizing women, consistently don't listen to actual information and logic to keep pushing their stupid agenda...

Kinzlei · 2019-07-08T14:10:58+00:00

Yeah it's like an unknown b grade actor demanding the same pay as a Hollywood superstar because it's"sexist"

exoticsancheeze · 2019-07-08T14:11:20+00:00

I mean, the ticket sales alone, the CAT 1women’s FINAL tickets are worth SO MUCH LESS than CAT 1 GROUP STAGE TICKETS, that’s why there’s so many people in attendance ig. (Russia 2018 vs France 2019: Fifa.com) Price: 925€ vs 84€

SwagAntiswag · 2019-07-08T10:16:17+00:00

Stupid third wave feminists.

Gordon-G · 2019-07-08T09:52:15+00:00

Women... always complaining

heckler5000 · 2019-07-08T12:25:57+00:00

I mean, isn’t women really not supporting their own causes? If half the U.S. population is women, then it’s women that need to buy tickets and jerseys. They’d only need a small contingent of men to bring numbers into parity.

If they want to be paid more and they are as popular as they claim, then raise the ticket and jersey prices, then let’s see what happens.

abdullah_4 · 2019-07-08T10:13:34+00:00

yea.... I mean nobody gives a shit about women's world cup.... I know it sounds bad and stuff.. but it's only the truth.... maybe a tiny amount of people does give some shit.. but that's all.... I mean they aren't even aired in most countries.... most people doesn't even know a women's world cup started and finished.... but people start talking about men's world cup literally a year earlier.... men's football and women's football is not the same.... equal pay doesn't even make any sense here.... probably gonna get downvoted.. but this is only the truth....

Sage010101 · 2019-07-08T10:38:43+00:00

There is this famous case of the female tennis players asking for equal.peoze.kowny, even when they play best of 3 vs men who play best of 5. A top-200 male player once challenged and defeated both the Williams sisters when both of them were top-10 or top-20, just to show the gap in quality. The national team some sport in Australia (was football? Was it some other country? Sorry I don't remember exact details) lost to a boy's under 15 team pretty badly.

The point is equal pay for equal work is absolutely OK. A female cop should warn as much as a male cop provided she is doing equal time in the field. A male teacher and a female teacher should absolutely get paid equally for equal qualification and experience. Every profession must pay for the skill, output and experience irrespective of the gender of the worker.

okron1k · 2019-07-08T11:14:25+00:00

They should remove separate leagues, and let men and women play together. Then everyone can get paid on what they bring to the table.

If those percentages are correct, I’d be pissed if I was one of the men.

dmank007 · 2019-07-08T10:10:53+00:00

REEEEEEEEE feminism

TwentyReddit · 2019-07-08T09:08:59+00:00

Making me think about these elephants in India playing football, should they ask for the same pay also ? 🤣😂

AwesomePopcorn · 2019-07-08T12:10:14+00:00

Techincially they're still demanding equal pay for men though.

GxPand · 2019-07-08T12:53:03+00:00

Fact of the matter is if female footballers got paid the same I doubt they would even bother organizing the event. If you want equal pay then generate equal income.

MasterLeonSeb · 2019-07-08T13:05:02+00:00

Ugh plus its a supply demand thing men soccer i more popular and generates more hence the people generating more are paid more common sense 101

_zukato_ · 2019-07-08T13:24:39+00:00

r/unpopularopinion

Olijzl · 2019-07-08T13:39:19+00:00

What’s the percentages like with club football? Would be interesting

HNutz · 2019-07-08T13:40:31+00:00

Damn good point.

Also, the Men's World Cup brings in a TON more money.

"As Dwight Jaynes pointed out four years ago after the U.S. women beat Japan to capture the World Cup in Vancouver, there is a big difference in the revenue available to pay the teams.

"The Women’s World Cup brought in almost $73 million, of which the players got 13%. The 2010 men’s World Cup in South Africa made almost $4 billion, of which 9% went to the players."

www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2019/03/07/world-cup-soccer-pay-disparity-between-men-and-women-is-justified/amp/

FaggotsArePedophiles · 2019-07-08T13:55:10+00:00

And then he was either ignored or harassed.

HogMeBrother · 2019-07-08T14:18:53+00:00

It’s actually a bit complex

The pay structures are different at our national level which can cause scenarios where women or men are paid more. One thing that can have women appear to be paid more is they play more games and have a base salary.

At the FIFA level women make significantly less. This is the difference in the prize pool. This is why the optics are so bad. USSF hides behind the prize pool as a reason the women make less.

LegalGraveRobber · 2019-07-08T14:23:19+00:00

If I’m reading this right, women earn more percentage wise from their World Cup compared to men but make less as the men’s World Cup brings in far more money. So what’s the problem? If they want equality of pay then they should’ve signed for a set pay rate regardless of how much money their World Cup earned, unless that isn’t how it would work.

JesterofMadness · 2019-07-08T14:43:01+00:00

The women's total prize money this year was $30 million, whereas the mens prize money was around $400 million
The women's world's cup champions earned about 7.5% of that what the men made.

Lotti_Codd · 2019-07-08T14:53:54+00:00

This is the same as with pro tennis. Women get the same as men but play a lot less.

Okilurknomore · 2019-07-08T15:56:38+00:00

Because of TitleIX requirements we spend $100M on womens college soccer scholarships each year. If we start paying the professional the same amount then can we at least use some of that scholarship money to revive US mens collegiate soccer?

CommanderHeMan · 2019-07-08T16:03:00+00:00

Men’s teams don’t even get paid to play international football.

tame17 · 2019-07-08T16:35:12+00:00

Why not lump men's and women's federation and have one pot to pay everyone out of. No matter how much each generates? This is a lazy whataboutism

aycalib3r · 2019-07-08T17:36:57+00:00

A lot of people are talking about how women's national teams were getting beat by U15 boys. I have personal experience with this. In high school I played varsity soccer, and sometimes we scrimmaged against the women's varsity. The women's coach handicapped the boys, stating that we could only touch the ball 3 times, and then we had to pass it. He also didn't allow us to be physical at all, and all of our shots had to come from outside the goalie box, and other limitations. We still destroyed the girls. Nearing the end of the game, we we're basically just playing monkey in the middle with then. What's even funnier is that our girls team was extremely good, and it had won county, while us boys lost every single game we played. No matter what, the men with always have the advantage. In soccer specifically, men are faster, more physical, are quicker on their feet, are faster at dribbling, can kick much harder, can jump much higher, have more stamina, and have faster reflexes.

the1kingdom · 2019-07-08T18:52:38+00:00

Are these legit numbers? Where can I find original sources for this?

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Ganondorf-Dragmire · 2019-07-08T20:06:04+00:00

Can we get a source on the numbers? I like to see for myself instead of reading screenshots of social media posts. Doesn't matter if I generally agree with the person posting. Doing my homework properly before saying important shit is something I like to do on principle.

Vinifera7 · 2019-07-08T20:56:56+00:00

What do the facts actually say about this? I keep seeing this statistic brought up:

From 2016 to 2018, U.S. women’s soccer games raised approximately $50.8 million in revenue, compared with $49.9 million for the country’s men’s side, according to the U.S. Soccer Federation’s audited financial statements, the Wall Street Journal reported last month. In 2016, the women’s team generated $1.9 million more than the men’s.

Yet I also keep seeing it repeated that the men are bringing in substantially more revenue than the women. So which is it?

KapnKaveman · 2019-07-08T21:31:42+00:00

Is JK Rowling overpaid compared to male authors?

Was Ophrah overpaid compared to male talk show hosts?

Wacky556 · 2019-07-09T02:05:21+00:00

I don’t like Matt but damn is he right

2019-07-09T04:37:51+00:00

The actual renenue quoted in Forbes is Men = $4B and women = $73M. Not even remotely close.

zanderkingofzand · 2019-07-09T20:25:36+00:00

I dont care how committed and dedicated you are to a SPORT you should not be paid more than doctors, cops, firefighters, or teachers period.

scriptx1 · 2019-07-10T04:41:19+00:00

Equal work get equal pay... 4bn to 73m. Work harder, whine less and someone may watch your slower games...

swimseven · 2019-07-24T16:54:26+00:00

It's just unfortunate that women are told that their talents and accomplishments in sports are simply not as valued by society, because it's just true. So instead of campaigning for equal pay, how about we work on getting the public more excited about women's sports? It's not gonna be an immediate fix, but that's where the root of the problem lies with this. Equal pay will come as a consequence.

ImitationButter · 2019-07-31T05:39:35+00:00

If they want equal pay... give em 9% like the men

acesover01 · 2019-07-08T11:44:11+00:00

How good you are or how many trophies you have has ZERO to do with pay...when you can bring in even a third of what the men do then we can talk. 2014 sponsers spent 529 mill. 31 times more than this yrs world cup. Make more when you bring in more.

Danamaganza · 2019-07-08T11:52:14+00:00

Sports people get paid enough, Christ. What is wrong with people.

MarcusOReallyYes · 2019-07-08T12:50:22+00:00

Just tell them they’re welcome to play for the men’s team if they think they’re underpaid on the women’s team. No one is stopping them from trying out.

A-whole-by-choice · 2019-07-08T11:57:14+00:00

Rapinoes hair dye is effecting her mathematical abilities.

stawny · 2019-07-08T12:13:35+00:00

The men’s World Cup generates $400 million and the woman’s generated $30 - $60 million.

I’d take 9% of $400 million before I took 13% of $60 million

pynewbie · 2019-07-08T15:50:47+00:00

Women's anything is boring as fuck.

sibears99 · 2019-07-08T11:05:23+00:00

Ya but the US women get paid 8k less per game than the men while the women's team has earned more revenue than the men's team since 2016.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/uswnt-us-soccer-revenues-lawsuit

steveinbuffalo · 2019-07-08T12:48:11+00:00

The men should insist on the same percentage. Let is backfire.

two0seven · 2019-07-08T12:21:41+00:00

I would argue that this belongs on /r/PussyPass the women get a greater percentage than the men.

Carter0108 · 2019-07-08T12:41:10+00:00

The gender pay gap statistics are all based on median salary across the entire country. Completely useless and meaningless statistic.

2019-07-08T13:19:36+00:00

I love soccer, but these dumbass bull dykes need to get their heads out of their asses and look at the facts.

arealbigboss · 2019-07-08T10:48:20+00:00

It’s very simple lol

kevnatelevle · 2019-07-09T04:56:31+00:00

Am I wrong or did you compare how much the USA mens team made to the revenue of a tournament they didn’t even qualify to compete in?

ZachTheInsaneOne · 2019-07-08T10:36:35+00:00

Oh, I honestly thought they were already paid roughly the same percentage of profit generated... In that case, EQUAL PAY! EQUAL PAY!

blau_wie_das_meer · 2019-07-08T10:27:13+00:00

In case of the US team, this is simply not true. The US womens team has a higher market share than the mans team and generates bigger revenue through trikot sales.

Watayatalkinabeet · 2019-07-08T13:27:33+00:00

Women’s soccer is boring though

carterburkefuckyou · 2019-07-08T13:31:48+00:00

Plus they're shit at footy

saintandvillian · 2019-07-08T13:33:25+00:00

There are so many instances where people are paid and/or overpaid based on their output. For example, the some of the people on reddit right now should be working and are committing time theft. Also, I wonder how many of the feminism haters who are commenting have ever had a wife, daughter...etc.

American_Londoner · 2019-07-08T14:58:13+00:00

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-womens-national-team-world-cup-pay-vs-men-2019-7

joeality · 2019-07-08T15:10:38+00:00

Why are the women overpaid? The men are underpaid.

FIFA is a corrupt as a political party, they certainly don’t need more money.

potatium · 2019-07-08T15:37:02+00:00

I'm glad we agree that pay should be a function of your productivity.

kahoottrash · 2019-07-08T15:57:15+00:00

It’s actually more like 23% for women and only 7% for men, IIRC from a Forbes article

JamesDAnnoying · 2019-07-08T16:00:31+00:00

Is there a source for this?

Unsuitablemasta · 2019-07-08T16:54:21+00:00

The womens world cup winners also lost to an under 15's local boys group after complaining about this

Gordon-G · 2019-07-08T16:58:44+00:00

Title IX actually created inequality

anianianianiani · 2019-07-08T17:04:53+00:00

Lmao sit down

Desiciox · 2019-07-08T17:12:56+00:00

we want money for doing NOTHING

UnableSilver · 2019-07-08T17:18:17+00:00

I'll just leave this here....

In preparation for two upcoming friendlies against Russia, the U.S. women’s national team played the FC Dallas U-15 boys academy team on Sunday and fell 5-2

Cerebral_Cortices · 2019-07-08T17:25:30+00:00

mkvamm · 2019-07-08T17:31:00+00:00

Well nobody’s gonna make a fuss out of them getting 13%.

NotFromHaiti · 2019-07-08T17:36:26+00:00

In fact men earned less than 7% in the 2018 world cup and wonen earned in the 13% this year. Men generated 6.1 billions and women around 120 millions (1.96% of the revenue).

Nuttin_Up · 2019-07-08T18:05:20+00:00

With equal pay comes equal performance. If you can't perform then you don't get the pay.

Delta_KVTA · 2019-07-08T18:31:19+00:00

His follow up tweets:

“Correction: I vastly understated the revenue disparity. The men generate 4 billion while the women generate less than 100 million.” (More than 40 times as much)

“Wow. I REALLY understated it. If the women were paid “equal” to the men, they’ve make 5 times more than the women’s World Cup generates. I mean it’s just an absolutely absurd concept that only the dumbest sycophant could endorse.”

Alex_j300 · 2019-07-08T19:17:10+00:00

Pretty sure the english mens team donate their pay to charity aswell.

gprime · 2019-07-08T19:20:05+00:00

I knew they weren't being underpaid, but I never bothered to do the math to realize they were being overpaid. I guess since feminists claim to be all about equality we need to start reducing payer play for women until their share of revenue drops down to male levels.

SomeGuyClickingStuff · 2019-07-08T19:51:49+00:00

Make everything equal. Men exchange jerseys after the match, I don't see women doing that.

Jedibbq · 2019-07-08T20:08:10+00:00

They're not interested in facts. Just whatever they can have a parade to.

aPosast · 2019-07-08T20:17:49+00:00

Finally. Someone doesn’t talk without seeing the facts

serial_crusher · 2019-07-08T20:54:14+00:00

Notice the “for equal work” part of the chant got dropped along the way...

DRBlast · 2019-07-09T07:08:15+00:00

I thought this was obvious. NBA stars don’t get paid hundreds of millions just because. They sell out arenas, merchandise and the list goes on. The WNBA on the other hand has a hard time filling the seats at a lot of their games. If people don’t tune into or fill the seats at WNBA games then the previous formula falls apart.

If the revenue generation was equal then it would be horrible. That’s not the case. I think the WNBA gets paid 40 million from ESPN to broadcast compared to near 3 billion it pays the NBA.

Johnnypoopoopantss · 2019-07-09T12:44:36+00:00

They had a meet and greet near my work in Frisco. Took up all the Parking, signs everywhere, and I think less than 20 people showed up. It was a bit embarrassing

Edit: on mobile

wantgold · 2019-07-09T14:43:42+00:00

People that complain about this, change the channel after seeing women's football on TV.

leparsdon · 2019-07-09T17:51:42+00:00

how can they make the same as men if they dont make the same as men

ifoundthefud · 2019-07-09T19:51:04+00:00

Yep it's never been about equality

UncleBobLoblaw · 2019-07-10T22:28:15+00:00

Actually he is wrong, men bring in something closer to 40 times as much, not just 4 times as much.

sunsurf520 · 2019-07-12T02:02:30+00:00

Unfortunately the men bring in more of the money that's why they get bigger paychecks . this is never going to happen in sports and it's a stupid stupid stupid request.

sidescrollin · 2019-07-14T13:28:59+00:00

Aren't the people clamoring for this pay bump also the people who hate the 1% and want to tax most of their income away? Wouldnt this be making them part of the 1%?

pnadlerlaw · 2019-07-15T19:51:01+00:00

While this is all true, and I’m not white knighting here, there is also a difference in the MARKETING SPEND between men’s soccer and women’s soccer, the World Cup for men and the World Cup for women. Just saying. Being objective and fair all around.

Beantown5000 · 2019-07-17T18:24:17+00:00

They should play each other. Winner takes everything.

Alida2001 · 2019-07-18T17:59:28+00:00

Would suggest to bring the men's pay rate down to the women's pay rate but that's unfair on the men.

BlondeEgoElf · 2019-07-19T15:26:41+00:00

Has anyone checked these numbers?

Not_The_Batman__ · 2019-07-19T15:54:20+00:00

They should charge more for women's tickets then. See what the crowd says then.

30caliberclipazine · 2019-07-21T00:54:43+00:00

Not THAT kind of equal

drpepper02 · 2019-07-27T04:28:27+00:00

Instead of chanting how about they get up go to the pro shop and buy the teams merchandise?

FeedMeYourPlacenta · 2019-09-15T05:05:35+00:00

I mean I get what u are thinking and the precents are not fair but I would hope that someday people could maybe just make an even amount and it wouldn't matter anymore.

Redditorreddit12 · 2019-10-02T02:34:45+00:00

You know what, face off. USMNT v. USWNT. Whoever wins gets better pay. Let’s see how good you are now ladies.

goldenarms · 2019-10-21T15:54:50+00:00

The controversy isn’t over how much FIFA pays the athletes, but how much US Soccer pays their athletes. If you look at how much money both teams generate for US Soccer, they have a very legitimate gripe.

eag1969 · 2019-07-08T12:04:42+00:00

Another comparison is major league vs minor league. Talent in both but major brings in the money.

chambertlo · 2019-07-08T12:09:14+00:00

BuT MaH WaAaAhMeN’s EqUaL PaY!!!!!

toffmudda · 2019-07-08T12:39:17+00:00

My brain broke trying to follow his logic...

Ominaeo · 2019-07-08T12:40:01+00:00

The astroturfing has begun.

rodders0223 · 2019-07-08T13:09:08+00:00

I wouldn't watch that shite if they were playing for free in my back garden

Xyexs · 2019-07-08T16:45:36+00:00

They're not overpaid, they have far more success as compared to than the male team. If 9% of the revenue is fair for the men, the women should get more than 13%.

KnuckleBuster111 · 2019-07-08T18:46:11+00:00

My argument would be that the U.S. Women’s Team is a better team. I’ve said multiple times they could beat the hell out of our men’s team. Give them what they deserve. I’m a straight, white, man from the south.

gayvibes1 · 2019-07-09T04:41:30+00:00

The amount of people I've argued this with! Do you want to subsidize them further with your taxes? No? Then where is that money meant to come from..? Simple supply and demand economics and almost always, with the irony very lost on them, they don't watch the games or buy the merch..

Distorted_Gamer · 2022-01-12T06:23:42+00:00

Matt Walsh being correct for once?

Yucrisp · 2019-07-08T11:37:55+00:00

Post this to r/murderedbywords i wanna see

SymmetricBrightTiger · 2019-07-08T11:51:42+00:00

It's sad how these people only talk about equal pay when it comes to professions that are already highly paid. While they ignore women in the bottom rung of society.

FennecsitoUwU · 2019-07-08T12:38:50+00:00

I don't know the US situaition, but in my country as far as I remember they win less than men, altough every deportist win less than male soccer players

supergrl126301 · 2019-07-08T12:48:29+00:00

at least the women's team wins.

Half_Man1 · 2019-07-08T13:28:33+00:00

In the US, the women’s team makes overall more revenue in viewership, and merchandise deals than the men do. When you look past the World Cup- where yes on a global level the men make more- the argument makes sense.

djrunk_djedi · 2019-07-08T14:08:23+00:00

Because the only value a person has is what they contribute to revenue

brandonscript · 2019-07-08T15:35:53+00:00

No. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/08/are-us-womens-soccer-players-really-earning-less-than-men/?utm_term=.6fd29e538626

OutgoinglyAwkward · 2019-07-08T15:48:49+00:00

You do realize that they’re not just getting paid for the tournament alone right? Jill Ellis, the manager of the USWNT, is paid less the USMNT U-21 Manager, what pot are they in again? What WC revenue do the U-21’s make in their WC vs the USWNT? It’s not just the players getting underpaid, and it’s not only based on WC overall revenue. Do any amount of research before responding please.

Btw maybe the pot allocation is unfair considering the USWNT won the damn thing and the best the USMNT can do is make R of 16 yet they make more based on overall WC revenue?

c_x_i · 2019-07-08T16:55:04+00:00

And they lost to mexico again lmao

cornhack · 2019-07-08T17:53:38+00:00

Women are getting out of hand. Time to kill them all and have sex robots to fill our needs.

xLozaax · 2019-07-08T18:23:50+00:00

The male usa doesnt generate that, the female usa team its by far the best in the world and they are being Pay LESS than a team that wont even qualify for the world championship

JPT_Corona · 2019-07-08T18:31:41+00:00

Unpopular opinion here but I honestly want the Women's soccer team to get paid more, since they've been achieving more than the men's US team in the past few years.

Sad reality though is that they simply don't generate the same amount of views. It's like watching talented singers and musicians get a fraction of what Justin Beiber made saying "baby" 15 times. That's business for ya'.

More viewers = more fame = more money. Talent is just an add-on in all this.

chefboi55 · 2019-07-08T20:04:25+00:00

Its never about "equality" with women it's all about money and power and sex always has been . Honestly I want them to pay them the same. So when the whole thing collapses on them and they looking stupid cause they don't understand economics. I will laugh and watch as they blame it all on men.

Motiv3z · 2019-07-08T20:55:27+00:00

Incels out in force on this one.

zquid · 2019-07-08T12:56:29+00:00

Women's soccer used to be more popular than mens and bring in a lot more money due to its rise in popularity during ww1. After the war, men's soccer couldn't catch up so the sport was outlawed for over 50 years and ridiculed once the ban was lifted.

There's a reason why it's lagging behind..

clydefrog811 · 2019-07-08T13:38:50+00:00

These comments. Yikes.

OutgoinglyAwkward · 2019-07-08T13:49:17+00:00

Genuine question but why do you guys care? Like how does them not getting paid equally matter to you? The Netherlands already pays both NT’s the same. I don’t see why its a massive deal when the men are already getting paid SIGNIFICANTLY more in their clubs, whereas the women aren’t making nearly as much.

And before anyone says b-b-but ReVeNuE!! The real revenue is going to FIFA who do jack shit with it, maybe if they reinvested it into women’s soccer development and recognition then it becomes less of a disparity.

ColDaddySupreme1 · 2019-07-08T13:49:54+00:00

I know that this is technically what this sub is for, but this feels like it belongs on r/libertarian

These soccer players didnt do anything wrong

RhEEziE · 2019-07-08T14:30:14+00:00

The fair thing would be to bring down the mens pay since they are hot garbage.

ThePenultimateOne · 2019-07-08T14:36:01+00:00

Except in the US, the women's games are watched more and get more advertising revenue.

8man-cowabunga · 2019-07-08T14:57:56+00:00

I read that the US women’s team generates more revenue than the US men’s team and it paid less. When you break it down that way there is unequal pay, no?

LiveOnSteak · 2019-07-08T15:22:05+00:00

As always, the real struggle is not men vs women, it's the owners who keep most of the money vs the people who actually earn that money. Any divide other than the 1% vs everyone else is just capitalism distracting you from the real issues.

3wanw1ld · 2019-07-08T17:15:17+00:00

The USA women's team is so much better than the men's too, it's a shame they don't get as many viewers in, but it's just how it is for now

Sage010101 · 2019-07-08T10:31:57+00:00

How he would have been trolled for saying the right thing! The times we live in !!

DEATHLENDER123 · 2019-07-08T12:32:26+00:00

Dude because it's easier than editing the comment after I have posted it as it doesn't let you edit it right away😁

bfmGrack · 2019-07-08T12:58:58+00:00

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

Valbuena2009 · 2019-07-08T14:00:27+00:00

Basic math:

Top 100 35 year old professionals working their ass off. Likely >50% are female today given university attendance rates or will be in the future, but let's assume 50 males and 50 females. Paying people differently for the same work is also illegal.

Out of those, how many women will choose to be a stay at home parent vs their male counterparts? Let's say 5 more women choose raising children over the next useless material thing most people think they want. In the next 15 years, the pay "gap" between all males and all females in the 100 will exist.

If you want no gap, the women need to earn than their male counterparts, not the same.

starpowernow · 2019-07-08T14:12:44+00:00

This is news to me. Not too long ago, the Women's world cup soccer team was getting paid substantially less despite outperforming and bringing in more money than the Men's World Cup for that respective year. The women's team only got paid for wins, while the men got payed just for playing.

I hate this equal pay stuff as much as the next guy, but this was actually a serious problem and I'm sure a majority of people knew nothing about it or how far the Women's team has come in recent years. Give the crowd a break, the Women's team were screwed over too many times.

http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/uswnt-us-soccer-revenues-lawsuit

One example

sonny_goliath · 2019-07-08T16:07:36+00:00

Imagine if women’s sports had the same amount of media attention and advertising support that men’s sports do though? This isn’t so much about equal pay as it is about equal exposure. The WNBA may not be as exciting a product as the NBA, but if you’re a basketball fan it absolutely satisfies that and arguably more so because it is more fundamentals and shooting than raw athleticism, but when do you EVER see WNBA coverage on ESPN?

brother_p · 2019-07-08T13:24:58+00:00

I wonder who it was who originally decided not to show women's soccer on television, not to provide promotional opportunities or endorsement deals for the players, not to encourage youth development programs, and not to highlight the accomplishments of female soccer players.

Women, right?

louisianajake · 2019-07-08T15:21:22+00:00

Men: don’t qualify Women: Win World Cup

Men in America: HaHA EcOnOmIcS

OopsNipsCameOff · 2019-07-08T11:55:40+00:00

This doesn't start and stop at the top. Equalising prize money is intended to help break down the barriers from the bottom up, and counter the absolute leck of opportunity some women face , where men do not face the same barriers.

Wes_Anderson_Cooper · 2019-07-08T12:41:51+00:00

Imagine using professional moron Matt Walsh to make a point.

VickVinaigrette · 2019-07-08T13:10:28+00:00

You guys are some sexist idiots. Everyone here thinks these women didn't bother doing any research and are just complaining based on facts they read on Facebook, what a joke. While OPs article is coorect that the FINAL brings in more money for men, the entire season makes for more money for women and therefore they are completely underpaid for the job they are doing https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/us-womens-soccer-games-now-generate-more-revenue-than-mens.html?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

wwaxwork · 2019-07-08T14:45:05+00:00

Yet the men still can't play for shit.

tequilasodalime · 2019-07-09T22:26:09+00:00

It wasn't a chant to FIFA, it was a message to U.S. Soccer. The women are underpaid. Period. Old news, man -- https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/sports/soccer/usmnt-uswnt-soccer-equal-pay.html. But good try.

nbhoward · 2019-07-08T12:35:42+00:00

This is a tweet, there are plenty of actual articles that disprove it. Facts don’t care about your misinformed sexism. This sub is trash.

High5assfuck · 2019-07-08T12:48:36+00:00

They are a National team. Not in an individual sport or a private league. They are asked to play for and represent their country. They are asked to dedicate their time to the National team. Is their time worth less because they’re women ?

Light67 · 2019-07-08T14:32:31+00:00

That's not how wages work, you get paid for the job, not the people that watch.

massiveZO · 2019-07-08T12:30:05+00:00

but the womens cup makes less money because of the implicit sexism in society; that women have too face everyday

KnockingNeo · 2019-07-08T12:41:36+00:00

Except NO the men DON'T, and YES he is WRONG lol... the men also win at a fraction of the % women do as well as considerably lower ratings for televised games, ESPECIALLY the world cup. Dense and ignorant mfs....

ggfr · 2019-07-08T12:47:17+00:00

Woa the comment section is so toxic. Let’s take one extreme exception and use it to bash feminism. Ridiculous. Btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_pay_gap_in_the_United_States

Youkindofare · 2019-07-08T13:49:31+00:00

A lot of the commenters here with strong and negative opinions seem to have a tenuous grasp on English. I wonder why that is... 🇷🇺

MiSTeR_SweG_42 · 2019-07-08T12:19:41+00:00

Well it sounded stupid at first for me as well but they demand to be paid like the male USA soccer team not to be paid like the winners of the male WC. And the demand is reasonable as they make more money in merchandise and sponsorships than their male counterparts. Don't know about all the details but this seems reasonable

Treasonburger · 2019-07-08T13:26:08+00:00

LoL! Matt Walsh? Haha GTFO. He is absolutely WRONG.

REMA5TER · 2019-07-08T13:53:42+00:00

Lol look at all the incels jerking over a random dude making up some numbers.

DoctorWaluigiTime · 2019-07-08T12:09:16+00:00

lol the amount of "I'm not sexist but"-style dogwhistling in this thread.

Hansoloai · 2019-07-08T11:55:07+00:00

But in America the woman's team brings in more money than the men. This guy doesn't have a clue.

Hansoloai · 2019-07-08T11:55:23+00:00

But in America the woman's team brings in more money than the men. This guy doesn't have a clue.

Millionswilldie · 2019-07-08T11:55:59+00:00

Jesus this sub is full of incels.

charliemike · 2019-07-08T12:35:44+00:00

It’s attitudes like these that create the revenue disparity. Fuck you and this sub for your toxic bullshit.

bablfish · 2019-07-08T09:45:54+00:00

/r/pussypassdenied

Joss-Laypeg · 2019-07-08T11:00:02+00:00

If the US women's soccer team played the US men's soccer team, they would beat them easily.

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