How are young men being disenfranchised?

BootyBRGLR69 · 2025-01-26T17:10:21+00:00

This pretty much sums it up

One_Job9692 · 2025-01-26T18:43:22+00:00

A lot of young men feel lost because traditional pathways to success—good job, stable income, homeownership, fulfilling relationships—are way harder to achieve now. Meanwhile, society constantly criticizes masculinity but doesn't offer a clear alternative, leaving guys feeling like they can't win. Education is pushing boys out, dating is more competitive than ever (especially with online dating skewing things), and many grow up without strong male role models.

When guys feel like they’re struggling and no one cares, they turn to people like Tate, not because they agree with everything, but because at least he acknowledges their struggles and gives them a path forward—even if it’s a flawed one. Society tells men to "do better," but doesn’t show them how, so they find their own answers, for better or worse.

knowbudi · 2025-01-26T17:15:11+00:00

There’s an outdated sentiment that men are inherently privileged relative to women that affects academia and then media and culture which are downstream from it. When men point out that this is no longer a valid sentiment, they are shouted down and called names at worst, and just out of touch at best.

The mainstream media gets uneasy when it comes to discussing male suffering. It has no problem supporting women and people of color when they are struggling, and that is a beautiful thing, but what happens when it is men who are struggling?

In many cities of the US women under the age of 30 earn more than their male counterparts.

As of 2022, single women own 58% of homes by unmarried Americans, compared to 42% for single men.

Also as of fall 2022, 57.9% of postsecondary students were women. In 1970, this ratio was nearly identical in the opposite direction, and there was sufficient concern over the disparity that the US passed Title IX in 1972 to rectify it.

In the 2023–2024 academic year, 54.6% of medical students in the United States were women. In 2023, women made up 55.8% of the entering class of law students, up from 55.2% in 2022. Women have outnumbered men in law school classrooms for the past eight years in a row.

Men account for somewhere between 70% and 84% of all homeless people. Men are four times as likely to commit suicide. These deaths of despair mostly affect working class men.

If any of the stats above had women as disadvantaged, there would be outrage and massive efforts to balance things. But since men are the ones affected, we turn a blind eye and tell them to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Again, when men point out this disparity they are gaslit and meet with derision, rather than compassion.

avocadolanche3000 · 2025-01-26T17:28:45+00:00

IMO, it’s because mainstream feminism took a turn toward radical feminism in the sense that it broadly adopted unapologetic misandry. The man vs. bear thing, dismissing “not all men” as a rational counterpoint to sexist statements, and a general antipathy towards men are examples.

For instance, your reddit handle body shames men. If it was u/NoFatWomen4Me I’d consider that a sexist username designed to reduce women to their sexual desirability, as though women’s value to society lies in their potential to please male partners, and as a reminder to women who don’t meet that standard that they are “less than.”

Power discrepancies between men and women in a patriarchal society are relevant. But when people ignore actual (dis)advantages individuals face, then it’s just hate based on identity, which undercuts the actual foundation of progressivism, which is humanism.

Feminism isn’t a monolith, but most people aren’t going to feminist book clubs or engaging with the nuance. They’re just confronted with hypocrisy and seeing TRP defend against it (without clocking TRP’s many hypocritical and sexist stances).

AssPlay69420 · 2025-01-26T18:56:14+00:00

Of what use are men now for you (big picture “you”) beyond procreation? Do they have a welcomed spot in your life? Do they make your life better?

Everywhere you look, the answer honestly seems to be none, no, and no.

Your success has pretty much made us redundant because we feel like material providership was never power but equality and now you can do that for yourself and don’t need no man.

You say so yourself; broader “you”.

There isn’t as much of a legal disenfranchisement so much as a social and emotional one.

What do we bring to the table? Honestly.

catdog8020 · 2025-01-26T23:24:11+00:00

Men are disenfranchised:

1) Feminism has created more lesbians and encourages women to decenter from men. 30% of generation Z females are gay and like shrimp tacos.

2). Marriage is a risk for men as men are at a huge disadvantage if they get divorced and have children due to the family court system.

3). Men are expected to look like Superman and have the emotional intelligence of Carl Rogers and the economic power and resources of Elon Musk.

4). Men are targeted by feminist, misandrists, lesbians, the police, and anyone in the society that views their behavior as suspicious or inappropriate or anything that goes against the norm.

5). We are experiencing a loneliness epidemic as a result of feminism and misandry against men.

I could write a research paper on all the issues. Geez lol 😂

Late_Notice02 · 2025-01-26T17:34:06+00:00

I think RP sucks in dudes who have deep psychological wounds that are primarily dismissed by the more progressive narrative that society is following.

It almost caught me in. I was raised by a narcissist for a mother and used by many more women throughout my upbringing. I was even groomed by older women as a teenager.

But, progressive and conservative societal naritives still largely dismiss the idea of a man being a victim of a woman in any way. Even if he is, it's still treated like an exception and not a normality.

We have very harsh attitudes towards men struggling with women or dating in any way. Especially with their insecurities. We have spaces for women to openly hate men and spew mouth foaming vitriol without much consequence, but not nearly as much tolerance the other way around. (I mean bro look at your username)

I'm not an RPer and I don't agree with it but I fully understand why it exists. It's a blindspot of progressive and conservative ideology which leaves a power vacuum in its place. Thus, RP is born.

ControversialDebator · 2025-01-26T21:40:56+00:00

It's not like Men are oppressed on a Systemic or Societal Level (although there might be Female Privilege in the Justice System). It's that Young Men feel like anything they do towards Women is Evil according to society. And they feel hated ,alone and unwanted.

Men are simultaneously hated for being kind towards women (Simp) and being bitter towards them (Misogynist ,Incel ,Sexist).

Young Men are hated if they don't want to be with women (see the hate Nerd Communities got for refusing to want women in their Communities). Yet if a Man wants to be in a relationship with women he is criticized for feeling "entitled" to women and is called an Incel.

Young Men are endlessly guilted and criticized for things like Rape ,Abuse ,Sexism ,Systemic Misogyny and Violence even though most of them aren't responsible for it. They're told their Sexists for simply existing and given no support or empathy for their problems since "women have it worse".

If a Man embodies Strong Characteristics he is considered a Threat to women ,see how women endlessly talk about how dangerous and terrifying men are to them. Yet if a Man is weak or lacks Masculinity he is mocked as a "Beta" and "Weakling" by men ,seen as Undesirable to women.

The Red Pill and Far-Right provide an outlet for young men where they feel like they aren't endlessly hated for simply existing. It tells them there fears ,anger ,insecurities and problems are valid and doesn't brush them aside or villainize them. It makes them up as the good guys rather than evil sexists or weaklings.

odd_cloud · 2025-01-27T03:57:54+00:00

I'd summarise it as "we live in the 21st century, but pretend we're still in the 1960s".

There are high expectations from men, but the social structure that allowed them to meet those expectations is long gone. For example, it is expected of men to provide for their household. It's unfortunately impossible now for the majority of people. On top of that, many women feel like they still work part-time jobs, so their men should bring "real" money. I know one woman with a salary of about $400k, who looks for a guy who earns more. Another expectation is being competent in approaching and courting women. It's hard for women to understand this, but a 17-18 years old guy doesn't naturally know how to do it.

There is little support for men to meet these standards. Institutions support women with scholarships and employment opportunities. Families often leave their sons alone, because they think it's 1960s, and their son would be able to pay for his college with money from a summer job at a gas station.

So, your average guy faces some expectations and is not sure how to meet them. What adds another layer of problems is the standard narrative about masculinity. Growing up, the guy hears that traditional masculinity is bad, that he shouldn't be aggressive, dominant, competitive, but better be compassionate, empathetic, and respectful. Then he sees that aggressive and dominant men get what they want, and no one generally gives a shit about your emotional availability. Also, there is this story about men who cause all the suffering. I get that men commit most violent crimes, but can we please have less of that rhetoric that "men need to learn this, we need to teach men that".

Finally, it's difficult to talk about men's problems. Cannot get a date? Incel. Cannot get a good job? Loser. Many topics are just shrugged off. For example, the problem of false accusations of harassment. I often see an opinion that it's not even a problem to think of. Would you consider it a problem if your husband gets accused by a colleague with whom he competes for a promotion?

just_a_place · 2025-01-27T06:54:03+00:00

Through forced and insidious feminization and pervasive gynocentyrism across the board in everything, and everywhere, from schools, jobs, media, politics, academia, etc...

And yet, this same fucking society demands that we provide provide provide. Our labor, our time, our taxes, our service, while getting jack fucking shit in return and then we get fucking insulted to boot. Constantly told through propaganda that "men ain't shit" and that we are not needed while at the same fucking time threatening us with homelessness and even prison if we fail to fucking provide for you with our labor. Then there's college-aged bitches that have the fucking nerve to mockingly ask us why we are collectively pissed off, as if they fucking care.

Andrew Tate is the King of the Incels. That asshole is yet another feminist smoke screen to obfuscate the real issues and smear the actual Red Pill.

Fan_Service_3703 · 2025-01-26T17:09:31+00:00

The best explanation is that over the last 100 years, feminism has (rightfully) eliminated (or at least made optional) most gendered expectations for women while men's have mostly stayed the same. Many (but not most) women still want traditional men or at least ones who do not deviate too far from the traditional ideal (the reverse is also true, but nowhere near the same extent).

This, combined with the decline in community social spaces, ever-increasing cost of living and unhealthy work-life balances, influencer/reality TV culture skewering everyone's opinions on what is attractive, the (rightful) pushback against sexual harassment leading to good-intentioned men being too afraid to approach for fear of being creeps, and near-unlimited optionality thanks to social media and dating apps, has led to the shitshow that is modern western dating. And as the onus for initiating dates and relationship remains on boys and men, it is largely them that bares the brunt of all this.

The lack of good solutions from mainstream society (which says if you keep fit and healthy, dress respectably, make an effort with your appearance, and be a good person, "the right person will come along") sends boys and young men into the arms of grifters who instead say that you should do all of the above (except replacing the "be a good person" bit with being the darkest version of yourself) and radicalise them with pseudoscientific nonsense about "female nature" and "evolutionary psychology".

LoopyPro · 2025-01-26T18:12:36+00:00

In demographics, gender gaps in favor of men are treated as problematic, while gender gaps in favor of women are celebrated.

DEI policies discriminate against men. Examples are scholarships or job openings.

In elementary education, young boys who act like boys are treated as flawed or faulty girls.

"Women and children first" is still a thing, implying that men are disposable. (Obviously I have no problem with protecting children)

"Innocent until proven guilty" is often ignored when a man gets accused.

Men speaking up about issues are dismissed because "women have it worse".

RayAP19 · 2025-01-26T16:57:48+00:00

It's because of the privilege that women experience in dating at the expense of men.

Many women get showered with validation simply for existing. Strangers consistently tell them how beautiful they are, buy them things, give them money, etc. This creates women who have huge egos and feel entitled to special treatment by men; it also creates women who are narcissists and have a princess complex.

Women also sometimes have very high standards for looks, financial status, social status, etc., that some men simply cannot live up to despite being good people. Those men are left out in the cold while "Chads" get more women than they know what to do with.

Then women will say "We just want a man who has X, Y, and Z character/morality/personality traits," and the non-Chads can't figure out why women ignore them since they possess those qualities.

Society also makes fun of men for wanting to feel desired and validated, like wanting to be asked out, to be texted first, to have women pay for them on first dates, etc.

LapazGracie · 2025-01-26T17:11:01+00:00

Mental resonance is an interesting concept. Sometimes people talk to each other and just vibe. Feels like you're completing each others sentences. You know exactly how the other feels and what not. Obviously it's not always this perfect.

The reason men are attracted to the red pill and other such ideologies is because the messages resonate with them. While the blue pill messages don't resonate at all.

It really just boils down to that. They see more truth in the red pill. Based on their own lived experiences.

Doesn't mean that red pill is accurate about everything. They make a lot of shit up on the spot.

Cultural-Ad-8486 · 2025-01-26T19:28:28+00:00

The whole point is that patriarchy has been a myth for a very long time and male dominance has not been true anywhere in the Western world for a very long time.

I can fully look at the term patriarchy as a concept related to the Muslim world and maybe the Bronze Age and Rome with Greece.

Anyone who uses the term patriarchy seriously now are pretty weird people... Because men have never had significant dominance in the sphere of rights, but on average they had more responsibilities.

So I can understand why people are drawn to scammers like Andrew Tate, even though it is clear as day that RP is now full of toxicity and not useful. Men just want a sense of community because in many places feminism has led to men (especially white heterosexuals) being accused of all sins, even those they did not commit

Just_Natural_9027 · 2025-01-26T17:03:23+00:00

Here’s what happens. Red Pill sucks guys in because it persuades them in with a 5% truth that it not talked about in society probably enough due to social desirability bias.

Because of this they get hooked and start believing 95% of all the other nonsense associated with these spaces.

We also much more real world feedback in the form of dating apps that is illuminating for a lot of guys to say the least.

catdog8020 · 2025-01-26T23:01:01+00:00

Your joking right lol 😂

wtknight · 2025-01-26T17:06:47+00:00

They want good jobs and happy marriages and believe that progressive ideology and especially feminism are taking those opportunities away. I don’t think that it’s that difficult. Scapegoating is a common human behavior of both sexes. Women blame most men for the things that only a minority of men are guilty of, too.

giveuporfindaway · 2025-01-26T20:40:12+00:00

Nearly all K-12 teachers are women. Women enjoy teaching girls. Female teachers cannot be male role models. Females teachers create an environment where boys need to please girls in a thousand subtle ways. Female teachers hate rambunctious boy behavior and punish them by abusing the DSM to put kids on Ritalin or something else to make them sit pretty. How would you feel if you're entire ECE deprived you of anything resembling your manhood. And on top of this made you atone for sins?
Nearly all shop and trade funding in high schools has been gutted to fund women's studies.
Manufacturing (a 90%) male labor component was outsourced.
The 08 housing collapse was a mansession.
Nearly all office environments have been overtaken by HR, who's prioritizes female privilege above everything else. Women can demand nearly anything by softly threatening a lawsuit.. "I feel this violates my rights as a woman.."
All therapy uses the model that a man is just a broken woman. And the way to fix a man is to turn him into a woman.

HollowHusk1 · 2025-01-26T19:26:19+00:00

The western education system is very feminized, so from a young age men are taught and practically forced to repress their inner boyishness, they’ve been taught by society and those in positions of power that their desires for intimacy are inherently toxic and creepy. To put it simply the system you advocate for has emasculated an entire generation of young men.

It’s why men have checked out on such a worrying scale, they aren’t dating, aren’t getting jobs, aren’t going outside and it’s because they’ve taught since day one that who they are as men is a problem.

Another part of it is young women (no offense intended ahead of time), they’ve been taught that they need to compete, belittle and destroy men their age instead of cooperating and creating healthy relationships with them. It’s like something out of an eldritch horror, all of the toxic aspects of femininity combined with some toxic elements of masculinity.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2025-01-26T17:37:53+00:00

This is a very old quote, and it ironically comes from fight club but this is a good explanation of the mindset of the “disenfranchised” young men.

“Remember this. The people you’re trying to step on, we’re everyone you depend on. We’re the people who do your laundry and cook your food and serve your dinner. We make your bed. We guard you while you’re asleep. We drive the ambulances. We direct your call. We are cooks and taxi drivers and we know everything about you. We process your insurance claims and credit card charges. We control every part of your life.

We are the middle children of history, raised by television to believe that someday we’ll be millionaires and movie stars and rock stars, but we won’t. And we’re just learning this fact. So don’t fuck with us.”

FinancialSkirt362 · 2025-01-26T18:36:39+00:00

i’m a man in tech. if you knew the free passes women were getting. the connections, the grants, the promotions. anecdotally, i can tell you i’ve seen the women graduating and getting jobs far more easily and reliably than the men did. oh i’m suuuure it’s merit alone.

hell, that’s why i published a first author paper during my undergrad and then rattled the begging bowl hoping the only funding program for undergrad students at my uni would take pity on me and fund my trip to present it. they funded all majors btw, competition was fierce. i won but i fkn earned it.

somehow the department enough had funding to fly all 7 of the women in computer science club “executives” who planned a grand total of 1 event that year (a meet and greet where we played board games for an hour lmao) to attend the grace hopper conference. they got to go to disneyland after too 😂

for context, grace hopper is a massive conference exclusively for women in tech. it’s predominantly centered around finding the women jobs/internships and helping them succeed. i went on to publish 4 more papers (as a fkn undergrad) and that’s how i networked with engineers and researchers at FAANG. those chicks did fuck all and got flown out to help them succeed.

contrast that with conferences i’d go to where it’s about the tech or the research we’re conducting first and foremost, and secondarily a schmoozing event to network with people. they certainly aren’t conferences expressly to help you land a job/internship.

for fucks sakes people, you think i chose tech because it was fun? because i was passionate? later i found a niche i loved and work in it today but i fucking picked this so i’d have a decent livelihood for myself. if they want to compete with me, let’s have at it. i don’t dislike women in the field whatsoever. just let it be meritocratic. don’t make me watch this shit then have to fall in line and not only pretend i give a shit but act as if i have some fucking privilege over them too. just fuck right off with that shit. this goes not just for women but for all that DEI shit. these are our livelihoods at stake people. this changes lives.

not to mention the chicks i date want me to make more money than them anyway 🤣 i mean get real people. i’m supposed to make more money but equal money. the fuck?

anyway, would you believe i give talks to their club now that im successful? LMAO.

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James_M_Croft · 2025-01-28T13:16:03+00:00

It is not as if men are feeling excluded from today's society. THEY SIMPLY ARE.

The fact that you cannot even talk like a normal man ANYWHERE as long as there is some LGBT, woman, liebral, etc. around is kind of the point. 4chan is not some toxic internet hellhole. It is just boys talking like a normal boy.

Conscious-Truth-7685 · 2025-01-26T18:45:18+00:00

I love how everybody in these comments is arguing about everything except the fact that... YOUNG MEN AREN'T BEING DISENFRANCHISED!!! To be disenfranchised means they lost the right to vote. Clearly, they haven't, even though some of them maybe should be based on their basis for casting votes. There are a lot of causes for the ills we face in society. Reading comprehension and understanding the meaning of words is definitely one of them.

Boniface222 · 2025-01-26T17:28:58+00:00

I think deep down one of the main drivers for men's sense of self, is the need to feel useful.

It used to be that an average man could support a family on a single income (being useful) but no more.

It used to be equal pay for equal work, so a man could work harder to make more money (so he could be useful) but now it's equitable pay.

Now, companies have the concept of "corporate citizenship" where mega corporations are spending more and more money on basically being the citizens in our society. Instead of letting voters decide, corporations want to decide. And what they decide to support tends to be histrionic DEI/ESG money burning pits.

The money that used to go to supporting families, now goes to supporting DEI and feminists are applauding.

I'm not sure why women wouldn't be bothered by this (I know some are, but some definitely aren't.)

Maybe the idea is that if the economy is bad, you can just increase your standards and find a man who makes more money? If the economy was healthy you'd have more men with more money available. The rare "six-figure-man" wouldn't be so rare.

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-01-26T18:39:57+00:00

Who is the root cause of all woke problems? Men. When you grow up in a world where everywhere you go, every discussion you listen to, every movie you watch, men are either evil, stupid or incompetent, or everything together. When you are told that masculinity is a problem in itself. When there seems to be no interest in men, no empathy, no acknowledgement of their nature as being good, valid, accepted.

Comfortable-Dare-307 · 2025-01-29T20:25:36+00:00

Men are the disposible sex. Growing up we (from my experience) we were always told to be nice to girls, hold the door open, don't hit them, etc. But no one asked us boys how we felt or what we needed. Women expect respect, but give none back. Men are not allowed to talk about our issues. Everytime we bring up a male-only issue (ex. prostate cancer) or an issue that effects mostly men (ex. Homelessness) we are told to "man-up" or "yeah, but, women have it worse". Women tend to make everything about themselves. There are no, or very few, men only safe spaces for men and boys, I've been desperately been trying to find a sexual abuse/assault survivor help group, but everyone I called were women only. I called the sexual abuse/assault helpline once and was told "we only help victims". (Of which I am). And the list goes on. In addition, men sacrifice more. We work more, longer hours. Do the harder labor jobs, etc. We go to war so feminists can complain men are worthless. We also have less support in general. There are women only scholarships, support for women's health issues, (Race For The Cure), but hardly any for men's health issues, even something as trival as "women's night" at a bar, but, again, never for men (I don't really care about that since I don't go to bars). And then there's the unfair advantage women have in divorce. Marriage is always a financial gain for women, and financial loss for men. There's more, but I'll stop there.

Title	How are young men being disenfranchised?
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