Why do Red Pillers find it so hard to admit that men can be horrible people?

SillyMushroomTip · 2024-01-16T12:05:09+00:00

No one says this. Humans have the potential to be horrible, men and women. More news at 6

Natural-Sun1850 · 2024-01-16T16:04:05+00:00

I don’t accept the notion that men are bad people by default.

gntlbastard · 2024-01-16T15:18:26+00:00

Oh I have no problem saying that men can be horrible people. Lots of horrible men around. I would however say that there are lots of horrible people around. Some are men, some are women.

Toxic_LigmaMale · 2024-01-16T12:22:28+00:00

I mean, we know men are fucked up. Wasn’t it Andrew Tate that said “emotionally weak men are the most dangerous people in society”? Like, yeah. We know. This isn’t news.

CasseroleTruck · 2024-01-16T17:56:06+00:00

Man if you look up strawman in the dictionary they should just do a screenshot of this post.

MalePsychopath · 2024-01-16T17:19:03+00:00

in-group bias

DzejSiDi · 2024-01-16T13:57:08+00:00

I would like to answer thoroughly, but I am tired of disingenuous questions.

In TRP land all men are good

No.

Apparently, women cannot even get killed without being slandered by the manosphere.

No.

But pretending that there are no millions of toxic , psychopathic, lying , abusive men is outright disingenuous.

People don't pretend that. NEXT!

VasiliyZaitzev · 2024-01-16T14:37:03+00:00

Oh, I will freely admit that men can be horrible people.

The difference is, nobody makes excuses for men's horrible behavior.

they will immediately believe his sob story while they simultaneously doubt/question women's stories.

cough-cough "BELIEVE ALL WOMEN!!" cough-cough

No-Rough-7390 · 2024-01-16T14:02:57+00:00

I think we pretty commonly accept that men have the capability for disastrous things. I mean, we use a lot of history and evolved behavior to make sense of what’s going on today. It’s not as if that just happened in a vacuum lol.

abaxeron · 2024-01-16T12:03:16+00:00

I see it as part of very simple syllogism that feminists ever fail to grasp.

If genders are equal (GE), and men/women are X, then what follows?

Example of feminists ignoring this syllogism: If GE, and women out-enroll men in higher education in virtually every country of the developed world, then, feminists conclude, OBVIOUSLY we need to keep giving women more and more and more preferential ways to acquire higher education until they dominate every sphere of human thought ("we need more women in STEM"). Because this is how feminists understand "equality".

Comparing to TRP:

Ratio of sexual victimization by the opposite sex differs between men and women roughly by a factor of 2-5 (NISVS 2011/2015). Ratio of conviction of sex predators by sex differs by a factor of roughly 30-50. Thus, TRP concludes, if GE, then until convictions get in line with victimizations, male sex predators should not be given an overwhelming priority. What we got instead of this logical and justified course of action - was MeToo. Yes, you may say that crimes by men are generally more brutal, but it should influence only sentences. Not convictions.

If GE, and women universally outlive men by years and have $trillions of extra dollars spent on their lifespan worldwide, then any attempt to deprive a man of remainder of his natural life should be treated as a worse crime than the one committed against a woman. In reality, the opposite happens.

If GE, and estimated 2% of children are raised by men who falsely believe those children to be theirs, versus ~0% by women, then all complaints women have about men cheating (usually within the age bracket when those women are already infertile) need to be kicked down the priority stack and left there until women stop committing paternity fraud.

Well it can be said, if GE, and men kill women at higher rates than vice versa, then until it's not the case... Then it's already NOT the case, if you treat an abortion at least as ~1/7th of a homicide. But you treat it as zero and land at a desired biased result.

Most of society as it is actively works against the principle of gender equality specifically to benefit women. Even most men agree with this course of action. TRP are the very few men with heads still on their shoulders who understand that maybe the principle of gender equality, hypocritically not followed by anyone, should just be abolished.

And then, Yes, we can go back to treat men as potential predators by default, and women as more emotional, more frail, less intelligent, less leadership-oriented sex.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2024-01-16T21:06:06+00:00

Same reason women love to jump along with men hateing.

Anyone one can be a horrible person. No matter age. Race. Sex.

But the problem comes when you lob the few bad people and punish all good people alongside it.

And society does not act like there is good and bad people no they try and act more and more like men are bad automatically.

And know what happens then? The good people the people that won't ever do the worst things women like to yell about "all men" doing.

The good men get punishments for trying to help. Or doing to do the right thing.

And in turn, never do it again.

Its not weird more women jumping in to help when things go down.

Cause men not doing it anymore. Cause men get so quickly in trouble just trying to help. Or beat up or badly hurt.

That's the problem with all men bad all women good.

Its quite easy to also find some extreme women that did horrible things and be look all women bad look at those women. That did this horrible thing. Never trust women again boys.

What literally groups do nonstop.

vilify men as a group l. Instead of the bed people doing bad things should be punished.

Why ks it so bad? You make people less and less likely to stand by you to help you. Bet you can see it more and more every day. Shit going down and people just acting like its not their problem at all right?

That's what happens when you destroy gender roles and duties people had for each other.

If you go to more old-school small towns they still have it.

The gentleman's and ladies rules of custom. And to be courteous. That means looking out for others around you. Even homeless people would not just be ignored.

People enforced and shamed people who would be out of line or act foolish. Or bother someone.

Like it was normal for a young man to just stand for older people.

But when you disarm a system where there was order. It's normal to expect s big amount of Chaos to happen first before there is anything of a kind of compromise of order to come back from it.

And why do I say this? Well as it's easy to see in a lot of places in the world where gender roles have kinda been disarmed or disappeared better said. It's easy to see it's not made the world safer.

The bad people were always gonna be bad or stay bad or be out there no matter what. But when you punish people for doing the right thing. Is when good people stop acting or being good.

So people are unlikely to stand up for an old lady. They are unlikely to help a child. Or a lady in trouble. Or help catch a thief that's running past them.

So that makes the world a much much more dangerous place. And seems like there are lots and lots more bad people. But there is not. People just don't make other people's problems their problem anymore.

Cause hammering all men bad. And vilify a big group for the act of a few.

Does make the world a lot more dangerous and most just don't understand that.

And how we treat our fellow people around us often is despicable. Ow easy we close our eyes to humans suffering right in front of our eyes every day.

But screaming about issues that often are barely issues. Cause for any group. It's easy to grab the most extreme few. And make an argument women the worst cause look at those few look all women bad.

But that is what women are doing often with men.

There always will be bad people out there. And you know what bad people don't look at rules like the rest of us.

So the more you do good for others and look out for your fellow men the more you at some point have the good men also want to stand ready for you when the bad men do try and do something.

People need to more understand people instead of just. I met one of you. I hate you.

There are loads of good people and a few bad ones in every every group. Society just rewards more bad behavior than good behavior. Cause society does not self-correct bad behavior anymore everyone just focuses on doing its own thing.

Else im an isum or a phob or a what ever. Is a say or do anything.

Society and the ideology push make people afraid to be good. Cause you get punished if you try to be good.

Just the sad reality of changing all the rules of social interaction over and over.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-01-16T15:54:37+00:00

Because realistically the number of men who SA is a very small %, and women use it as a straw man here to slander all men. So it's a tired/weak argument.

DesertShifter · 2024-01-16T18:45:04+00:00

if a man cries divorce rape he is believed

Well the stats are overwhelming on this issue.

false rape

I generally do not believe anything regarding rape without a court case because its just too hot topic. No trial? No belief for anyone.

someone suggested a man murdered his wife for adultery, this is a great example of men defending him as someone who cant do wrong

When the tribalism brain makes you too dumb to notice you disprove your own argument as you write it out. Its not slander either, its a rumored motive, one that makes sense to explain why a man did a horrible crime.

stop pretending men are angels

We arent though

boom-wham-slam · 2024-01-16T11:34:51+00:00

Well since we don't date men, what do I care about shitty men? It's irrelevant if men cheat or abuse or anything because... I don't date them durrrrr. Until women take TRP male behavior is irrelevant basically.

commentasaurus1989 · 2024-01-16T18:22:55+00:00

Men can be horrible people.

Not that hard.

I’ll go even further. Red pill is the journey to not becoming a horrible person. Here, “Horrible”is defined in the biological sense to mean a man that is incapable off attracting a mate and extending their genetic lineage.

Incels, cucks and fools who get cheated on, and degenerates are by this definition horrible people.

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babazuki · 2024-01-16T13:54:00+00:00

Rollo Tomassi was accusing Chris Watts of being a jealous and violent murder. But you want him to tack on cheater too. That's all he has to do now? Was that your gripe with that story?

SecondEldenLord · 2024-01-17T23:51:00+00:00

They don't, not sure where you get this ridiculous idea from. Redpillers are realistic, unlike feminists and bluepillers who think women are perfect and can never do wrong.

flextov · 2024-01-16T20:50:49+00:00

I’m open to all reasonable possibilities.

Nihi1986 · 2024-01-17T01:01:43+00:00

The vast majority of men admit it, we know it.

The way you elaborated the post...those redpillers are awful, what can I say... that's an awful example of why redpillers do or don't do anything...

As for the sob stories...we have seen a more nuanced truth about those stories, we have learnt to empathize with them too, we have learnt to question the woman unless there's solid evidence and to see how most likely both of them were toxic/made mistakes, and lastly, we know they won't get any kind or sympathy from media, women and society in general, so by listening to their stories they know we care, and sometimes just one person caring about your problems is enough to prevent tons of potential problems. No person, regardless the gender, should feel completely isolated and misunderstood.

Title	Why do Red Pillers find it so hard to admit that men can be horrible people?
Author	Novel-Tip-7570
Upvotes	87
Comments	214
Date	January 16, 2024 11:18 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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