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If what doesn’t work across the board?

I think that’s the disconnect I have with “black pillers.”

Nothing works across the board. There are relative gains one makes respective to the toolbox they were born with/into.

I am a black woman with an almond complexion and a tighter curl pattern. I’m aware that black women with lighter skin and looser curl patterns are desirable to more people than myself. And black women with darker skin and tighter curl patterns than me are probably attracting lustful attention from a smaller poop of people than me.

That’s reality. Not a black pill.

People born into higher SES backgrounds than myself will achieve comfort and wealth easier than I can. That’s not a black pill. That’s reality.

Having always known these things has never made me feel anything other than “Imma live my best life and do what’s within the power of my control.”’

Sometimes I think “Black Pillers” focus on the extremes or the differentials and depress themselves out of the actionable everyday reality of what’s possible.

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He can absolutely become relatively more desirable. That’s just physics.

If he’s unhappy with the outcomes — “he went from attracting .001% of the women around him to 1% of the women around him” — then he is going to have a tough go at it in life.

That doesn’t detract from what I wrote.

That isn’t a black pill. That’s life.

Furthermore most men aren’t 4’10 so your hyperbolic example is sort of proving out my point that whenever it comes to Black Pillers the focus is on the extremes and utmost differentials.

I’ll bet you my bottom dollar that the lionshare of self-proclaimed Black Pillers are not 4’11. That they are of average height and average jaws and maybe they’re balding but so are a lot of men who look just like him but are somehow coupled up and living life. You mentioned all of these physical traits but didn’t touch on the behavioral and psychological and maladaptive social traits that are likely the main reason those dudes are forum dwellers and “excluded from the SMP.”

A 4’10 man is likely from an ethnicity of shorter people. Which means the height distributions of the men of his ethnicity correlate to the women’s. Which means there’s an even shorter Indonesian or Ecuadorian woman from where his people’s are from.

I walk around the taco spots and see plenty tiny Mexican dudes with effete jaws with a gaggle of short offspring following behind him.

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And I'm not saying sex and money are a 1 to 1 exchange, but they are valued similarly by the respective sexes.

I'm confused lol

Nah they want a woman who loves him so much that they would never leave them if they stopped working.

Which is a noble wish, sure. That's a pretty pure form of love. But would these same guys love a woman forever if she stopped having sex with him?

Yet women offer so much more than just sex, while working is generally one of the only ways men contribute--whether socialized or innate, smarter people than me will be able to weigh in on that I guess. Maybe if men contributed more beyond work, and in fact so many didn't feel entitled to work being their only contribution and then they've done enough, then things would be different in this regard.

Not to mention there's a biological reality at work here that women are the ones, the only ones, who can bear children, and tend to have the lion's share of childrearing responsibilities especially in the early years.

Kid's gotta eat. So does mom.

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Yes, that’s why it wasn’t a shock when she posed at the height of her fame

And I agree that sex work pays very little - the reason being (and part of its appeal these days) is the fact that a girl doesn’t need to touch, look at, or even be in the same room as their gross John. So the disgust factor is completely gone

Which means women raised on IG can hamster that their OF is just validating - because it’s sanitized sex work. They don’t have to stomach the immediate short term ramifications

Which they then hamster into thinking that long term ramifications don’t exist, which … is very false. STDs are no longer a risk in some areas of that field, but sex work is sex work and social judgment is the same

So yes, if I were growing up today, I’d expect to be surrounded by girls who wanted to be sex workers - but still not girls who want to fuck random guys for cash

They just want to flash their butthole on camera and profit

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For more than 2 decades I have been reading books in English and the word morality is a word I thought I knew.

people who engage in moral behaviour means taking actions that align with my value system, I want to promote such prosocial behaviour, so I admire them, respect them. Call such behavior "right" or "good".

Then there are immoral behavior which we want to shame, we want to see less of it, we call it out as bad, wrong, anti social, stuff like lying, cheating, betrayal, causing harm, showing a lack of empathy, depending on your value system you might add other stuff.

Now there are stuff that we are not sure of, maybe we lack context, we suspend judgement. We say neither immoral or moral.

Is there stuff that is neither moral nor immoral even after you fully have details and context? like can you give examples?

But if we think something is inappropriate, we obviously think it is wrong, rude and thus immoral right?

What am I missing here?

Maybe people being lazy, not having a work ethic, giving into impulses, over eating is wrong, undesirable, and shamed but not "immoral"?

where does it go from "this is wrong but not immoral" to "this is immoral"?

seriously.... words smh

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Moral behavior can be unethical and ethical behavior can be immoral.

if this is true... I am 100% mindblown. Can you give me citations, examples? some famous book or article where these words are used in this fashion?

If I understand you correctly... morality is the domain of society or culture. In a community it might be a custom that the family or husband decides about if to get an abortal. So morality might dictate a pro life or a choice in the hands of doctor plus family. But according to your personal ethics you might believe the pro choice model where the women needs to have the final say. So ethics is subjective and a personal evaluation?

or are you saying unethical in an objective sense? that there is some wrong or right independent of all cultures or people?

ethical behaviour that can be immoral, maybe you think if you love someone you marry them. Irrespective of gender. So as per your value system homosexual marriage is ethical but then in the community you live in it might be "immoral" because of the local customs practiced there?

I hope I understood you correctly?

The issue I have with your comment is that, using the word moral like that makes no sense because you will not stay in that community for long, people move and gravitate towards others who share their ideas of what is ethical. They form subcultures, they share values, they agree on customs, they live out their beliefs and make new customs.

Social customs that are not acted out, imitated, seen in public, will die out. Ethics and morality have to align. Just look at the definition of ethics.

moral principles that govern a person's behaviour or the conducting of an activity.

I am just amazed so many people seem to disagree with me about what morality means and not just weakly disagree. It sounds like they think this is obvious stuff.

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Ethics tends to be rule-based rational behavior but will ultimately boil down to choices of axiomatic basis. For example you can have criminal organizations that have codes of ethics however criminal activity is considered immoral. Ethics tend to be organized into codes. Very often you can run into situations where fundamental ethical principles in a code conflict with each other for any given behavior.

The particular linkage between ethics and morality I am currently partial to is what's called Kant's "categorical imperative" which says that entities capable of rational thought are required to behave rationally which imposes a duty of ethics.

Personally I tend to avoid morality and focus instead on whether things are ethical and/or virtuous. Those terms are more semantically clear to me then moral versus immoral.

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ah then the issue will be solved if I just use the word ethical. I was used to using the words morality and ethics interchangably without thinking about the possible difference in meanings. Maybe reading kant or such books might help me.

I did a bit of reading into this and it seems like the difference might be opposite to what you proposed.

you said "Morals are just social customs."

britannica says

Both morality and ethics loosely have to do with distinguishing the difference between “good and bad” or “right and wrong.” Many people think of morality as something that’s personal and normative, whereas ethics is the standards of “good and bad” distinguished by a certain community or social setting.

This is why I use immoral when I want to sample people's personal value system and opinions regarding the moral value of actions.

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Yes, I can rationalize killing animals for my own food, whether I enjoy the meal or not.

I'm not sure what you mean by moral systems. Do you mean each individual's construction of morality? Morality is always subjective, based on opinion of what is fair or okay. Abortion would be a classic example. Suicide isn't immoral in my construction.

What I'm saying is you can violate others' morals, you can violate your own morals, and others can violate your morals. If your opinion is that something is immoral, then that is your belief to behold that I am not arguing against. But practically, in the court of law, punishment is based off of the expectation that you should know how to act how most people need you to act, and if you don't, you're a liability to society.

You should know. But in some cases, like being a clueless child or mentally retarded, it's okay that they don't know because they couldn't have known. That is why I wouldn't consider a 5 year old shooting someone to death 'immoral', when the child was never taught gun safety, doesn't understand anything about guns, gunshot wounds or how dangerous they can be, doesn't have the prefrontal cortex or the cerebrum to understand anything besides what their parents have pushed them to believe about death. The kid is just acting clueless because they are, with very little self awareness or knowledge. I would say it's not their fault. The kid is acting amorally. Or within their very limited development of morality.

If a kid doesn't know yet, they probably will down the road, and that's why we would give them a chance instead of locking them up for life.

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Do you mean each individual's construction of morality?

yep

when the child was never taught gun safety, doesn't understand anything about guns, gunshot wounds or how dangerous they can be, doesn't have the prefrontal cortex or the cerebrum to understand anything besides

see the issue is, you can do this sort of explanation for any action. You can deconstruct why hilter acted the way he did, point to his upbringing, his experiences, genes, the brain, if you look at chains of causality everyone has reasons external to themselves which explain the action they took.

These explanations should not be justiications that change the moral value of that act. That is how I would define the word morality. No matter if the guy was insane, if he was abused as a kid, if he was tortured, if it was revenge. Him murdering was still wrong in my moral code.

According to his moral code it made sense, that is why he did it.

Most of our moral codes aggregate to form our culture's or societies moral code.

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There are different ways of viewing morality and what we mean when we say something is moral or immoral. Moral realism would appeal to objective morality, whereas you're describing something more like moral non-cognitivism where moral terms express something more like praise and blame than appealing to some kind of objective truth. Both are valid views that can be held, and it gets confusing when people who hold different views on what morality is try to discuss what is moral. As far as I'm aware "immoral" is used in ethics just to mean "wrong" and "moral" is "either right or morally permissible" ("permissible" is just something that isn't necessarily wrong but might not be right either - if you decide to sit in one chair to eat breakfast instead of another that's permissible but not right to do as you have no obligation either way). I don't think there are things that are neither moral or immoral, although there can be controversial/edge cases where you can't tell which they are, or there are a lot of choices between two merely permissible (but still moral) actions etc. that might look that way. But with things like being lazy, whatever moral code you might have, you should end up with an answer, even if others might have a different one.

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It's perfectly reasonable to want to apply morality here.

I think people have assigned some heavy negative emotion to the idea they could be doing "immoral" things. But just because someone thinks your actions are immoral does not mean you have to agree.

Under Christian thought. The envy of your friend towards their ex would be considered the "sin".

oh reading that article made me wonder if people's answers would change if the question was - "is it ok to date your friend's ex wife".

hmm envy definitely plays a role here. But I think this discomfort exists even when they are happy to have been rid of the ex or still have amicable relationships.

is it immoral for you to commit those acts? Or is it on them for allowing themselves to be hurt by so many acts.

deep stuff. I think it comes down to how practical these norms are. Like most guys can't help themselves. Even if they want to wish me well and be happy for me, if they find it deeply uncomfortable then I can respect that and instead of pushing for them to change I will seriously consider if their friendship is more important or trying out this relationship.

I think in practice the decision is not that hard because either the friend is reasonable and if he sees you really have strong feelings he gives you his blessing to explore that or the feelings are not that strong and there are many fish in the sea.

But I am still not sure where these emotions come from. I personally don't seem to have them so I can't model people well and relate to this feeling of posessiveness after breakup. I think it might got to do with unresolved emotions and lack of closure. Lots of people don't really fully move on.

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Even if they want to wish me well and be happy for me, if they find it deeply uncomfortable then I can respect that and instead of pushing for them to change I will seriously consider if their friendship is more important or trying out this relationship.

But why? It's not your job to adhere to your friends moral framework.

What I worry slightly about is that you're using morality as a shield to avoid the problem.

In this case I feel as though this might have nothing to do with mortality.

In this scenario:

You selfishly want to keep the friendship with a friend.
They don't want you to date your ex.
So you're making a trade off, for your own benefit, to keep the friendship over dating their ex.

Which is fine. It's okay to make those tradeoffs.

It's happening to me a little bit with a friend of mine and my sister-in-law. Long story but they fell out. Now my sister in law doesn't want me to ever see my friend.

Fundamentally I don't believe she should have any right to make that request and in my opinion is being unreasonable in being upset by me seeing my friend. So even if the act might hurt my sister-in-law I will continue to see my friend.

I am not a monster though. I don't want to intentionally hurt my sister-in-law. So I don't tell her.

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But why? It's not your job to adhere to your friends moral framework.

I think that is part of a friendship, we can't find people who align with us perfectly. We are all imperfect. Maybe they have shallow, immoral reasons for their feelings but those feelings are still valid, these feelings still hurt them and I should show empathy towards my friends.

I know my friends would do the same for me.

I am not a monster though. I don't want to intentionally hurt my sister-in-law. So I don't tell her.

yeah that is always a solution, right now I am friends with both parties and that itself puts me in a spot where I need to not reveal details the other person trusted me with. So it can be exhausting. I meet the girl but fail to mention that when I meet the girl in the same day. Answer vaugely when they ask me questions and signal I don't want to answer.

I don't believe she should have any right to make that request and in my opinion is being unreasonable in being upset by me seeing my friend.

it depends on why they fell out really. Would be able to be friends with a person who treated their ex badly? A person's actions towards others tells you how they might treat you one day. Especially in such an intimate relationship where there was trust and love... there is potential for a lot of hurt.

But also the context is special with a lot of emotions so maybe their behaviour there won't translate to your friendship.

Even if your friend has no good reason to justify why. I still think they can request that of you. I mean as long as the feelings exist, they need to be handled. Say I am the friend and I feel uncomfortable,

1) I can try to tell myself I am being immature and try to work on myself to not feel uncomfortable 2) I can tell you to not put me in this situation and stop being friends 3) I can stop being as close friends with you.

So most people try all 3 at the same time to varying degrees. Even if I have jealosy, posessiveness, and anger motivating me. It takes time to work through it. In the short term 2 and 3 are quicker solutions.

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Even if your friend has no good reason to justify why. I still think they can request that of you. I mean as long as the feelings exist, they need to be handled.

They can request that of you, sure. But I don't see any moral basis for you to need to respect that request.

I can stop being as close friends with you.

I think this is honestly a very likely outcome. If you're dating their ex and they find it uncomfortable being around you, then there's a good chance they'll sever the friendship.

This is why I suggest that perhaps this is the real problem. You have a decision. Date the ex or not. You want to eat your cake and have it but you potentially can't. There are real consequences of this decision. You might turn down a great relationship. You also might end up severing a friendship for a relationship that goes nowhere after a month.

What I think might be happening (and I may be wrong) is that you don't want to make a decision. You're scared of the consequences either way. You don't want to make a choice and accept that you might be making the wrong decision (let's be clear, there probably is a worse decision).

Instead you're looking to "morality" to make a decision for you. If you offload your decision making onto an external moral system then that takes away the burden of accountability on you for a bad decision. Things went badly but that's okay because you still took the "moral" option.

I do wonder if this might be the crux of the issue "niceguys" have. You're using self imposed moral systems to protect yourself from risk.

I might be completely wrong BTW and please tell me if I am.

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But I don't see any moral basis for you to need to respect that request.

I think the golden rule is part of morality. I would want my friends to respect my request and consider it. So I consider theirs and extend the same level of consideration they would provide me. Friendship is based on reciprocity.

This is why I suggest that perhaps this is the real problem. You have a decision.

lol man trust me, I used my personal situation as fodder to spark a discussion about this topic on a general level. In the future my understanding about this topic might help me make a decision...

Right now, the guy is barely my friend and the girl does not want to date me. I am not gonna court her and try to change her mind. I plan to stay friends with both of them and I already told them I won't get involved in their drama.

The issue here was that my friends seem to act like this bro code was obvious and I was not sure why this rule was set up. I wanted to understand exactly what the consequences would be and why. It is curiosity driving me.

Decisions are made and justifications are easy to find. If I wanted to date her, I would date her in a hearbeat. This is a no brainer. I have many friends and only few girls I consider worthy of serious dating. Again if it was an ex of a close friend, it would also be a no brainer because that is a friendship of a decade or more. So in practice I am not struggling with any decision per se but trying to understand how people think.

Things went badly but that's okay because you still took the "moral" option.

I can see why you might think that way, but that is really not my style. I know people who live like that. But I could never. I am heavily on the consequentialist side of the deontology vs teleology debate.

morality and rules are for the simple minded. People with intelligence need not be constrained by such simple rules.

"Universal law is for lackeys. Context is for kings.”

I am not scared of consequences, I give it the respect it deserves. That is why I try to understand the problem so deeply. I want to see the tradeoffs, the emotions, feelings, desires of all stakeholders. Once it is clear then it is a simple matter of deciding how much I value each party and the resulting consequences.

I do wonder if this might be the crux of the issue "niceguys" have. You're using self imposed moral systems to protect yourself from risk.

ohh when you said nice guys. It all clicked for me. What I said above is mostly the kind of person I want to be, and the person I think I am. But in practice maybe I am lying to myself.

hmmm you have hit on a key point. nice guys are shackled by moral systems. They are sensitive of being called as creeps, they are sensitive to shame, they don't want cause harm. They are so afraid of bad consequences that they freeze in inaction.

I will have to think deeply on this. Maybe you are more right than I think. But from what I understand of myself I don't let moral laws restrain me unless I agree with it. There are many areas I have not given deep thought so I default to existing social norms.

I have no issues taking a path which might be "immoral" to others if I am convinced that its consequences to myself is a net positive. We live only once and living so safely is stupid in our current era where we have so many safeguards.

In this topic specifically I am liable to overvalue girls due my inner simp. So I need to be careful to delibrate the consequences because my instinct would be go for the girl all the time.

But wonderful insights. I will come back to this comment and think on what you said. When I read what you said I feel like draco when he said,

I notice I am confused - draco

There is some cognitive dissonance here.

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Well, first of all that much actual money doesn't exist. It's invented by banking and finance. Excess money gets exchanged for promises for more money.

One thing that might illustrate this is if you go study the bottom graph here and what it means if you want to sell X amount of buttcoin and what prices you'll have to accept and how that alters the "value" of the buttcoin you're trying to sell. It's one thing to say "I have 100,000 buttcoin and buttcoins sell for $40k each therefore I have $4b!". But if the entire world's only willing to pony up $100m to buy buttcoin, then do you really have $4b or do you just have 100,000 buttcoin? So then you go to a bank and get a loan and say "I have 100,000 buttcoin and they're worth $4b! Gimme a loan for $2b and I'll secure it with my buttcoin!" And the bank says "I don't actually have $2b but I can give you an account that lets you pretend you have $2b and you can charge against it! We cool?" And then everyone goes and runs things over electronic transactions using money that doesn't exist.

But anyway the moral of the story is you only get to pretend you have $4b if you don't sell your buttcoin.

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If you buy it during marriage, yes. That was the major point of marriage for me as I was a young person. If I'm sharing living space and a car with a man, I don't want to have to "put my name" on any asset we have together. I want it to be legally understood that we're sharing. Sure having a very small ceremony with loved ones was romantic and nice and had social value, but we made it legal so we could potentially buy a home together without keeling receipts of who invested what. Even if two unmarried people share a property, from what I hear it is Hell to hash out who all paid for what and what the percentage equity is based on who all paid what bills and for how long and whatever. That's not easier than getting a divorce!! It's just not! Oh, and what if she runs off with all your furniture one day and empties whatever checking account you share? If you ain't married, you've got no right to find her and get reimbursed for any of that.

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I'm privileged, and I want to stay that way. What's your point?

That you can't apply your personal logic to other men.

Contribute in what way?

I mean, name the way. Every man expect sowmthing different. Some men want kids, some men want Financial Independence/Retire Early. Some men want both. In any case, most wives do something for their husbands to make a better life.

if a girl that was otherwise great gave me an ultimatum on it, I'd probably acquiesce.

Yeah, because you know she isn't stealing from you. Maybe she'd be taking care of your home or working or both, but you know that whatever she brings into the marriage will be worthwhile. After all, she's great. I seriously doubt a great woman would give you an ultimatum, though, she'd probably be like "why the fuck does he not see my worth" and call things off. Maybe she would have got your opinion about marriage early on. She wouldn't beg after falling for you, though. That's unbecoming behavior.

Idk how to see how a portion of what was never yours could possibly be seen as anything other than stealing.

And you know that's not what marriage is. Women work too, often outside the home but also in the home. Whatever they get in the marriage is what they added value-wise. That's why equal matches are so important, it's not because women are evil transactional harpies, that's not a thing. We just don't want anyone to steal from anyone.

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Sorry, I get a little myopic sometimes, so I was only speaking to my somewhat unique situation. If both parties are contributing equally to the relationship, I don't really have a problem with marriage.

I seriously doubt a great woman would give you an ultimatum, though, she'd probably be like "why the fuck does he not see my worth" and call things off.

Yeah I just meant at some point in the relationship it's going to come up and she'll more than likely make it clear that a ring is what she eventually expects. If it was eventually going to come down to losing her, I'd do what I had to to make sure I didn't.

That's why equal matches are so important,

True, and for most people that's not that difficult. I get that.

That's why equal matches are so important, it's not because women are evil transactional harpies, that's not a thing. We just don't want anyone to steal from anyone.

Well they're definitely not all that way, but there are definitely some who are. 1 in 3 women do admit to pretending to like a guy for a free meal, after all.

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The incapable of monogamy part is the essence of my point, but kind of conflates it as its impossible for them. Women are capable, but their behavior indicates that its not what they truly want. Feminism, culture, and the divorce rate are clear indicators that men are just not meaningful to them. Perhaps most like the idea of a wedding, but being a wife is more of a burden to them than a privilege.

I'm not sure entirely what you mean by low maintenance women. Myself and most men see pride in providing for their family the best life we can. Women are the ones that hold contempt for their expectations. So it essentially never matters how much you do for them, whenever its not enough, they break the marriage. Just being in relationships taught me that, not to mention all the marriages i've seen fall apart this way.

Considering the factors, marriage isnt a smart risk to take because you're dependent on women. Women are great, but not dependable for anyone beyond their children.

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I think culture has alot to do with the older generations because from what I was told by older women, marriage was the only way they could increase their standard of living despite how they truly felt about their husbands. I think my generation has major pushback against that agenda because they have economic oppurtunity now. Statistics show whenever a society does this, women stop marrying because their lives are better off being single than being with one man.

It doesn't feel sad to me, what would be sad is having my happiness dependent on a woman who would be better off without me. I have seen that play out constantly in young and older couples and I'm glad I have the awareness of their nature enough to not force commitments that shouldn't have been made. I think thats the most attractive part about me to the women interested, i expect absolutely nothing out of them versus the guys that try to dominate their way into their hearts. They seem to just want a good time out of life, marriage makes that unnecessarily complex for them.

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Segregation is being separated against your own will.

Separation is willingly separating you and yours for the benefit of you and your people.

There are Black-Americans from the Civil Rights generation that have a state of mind that, although segregation was unjust, if they knew them what they know now, they would taken what they had with being segregated, opted to remain separated, and build the community that was flourishing in spite of the condition. A lot of them will, or would before they passed, say that black people has each other’s backs more then as a community and that there was more love for one’s brother or sister back then. They feel that integrating, however positive it was in the short term, fucked us more in the long run.

So, in a TL/DR sense, that’s what ‘separation, not segregation’ means.

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80-20 needs to be taken recursively; that is how Pareto-Efficiency work

The "top" 20% of Men get 80% of the sex / love (measured qualitatively and quantitatively). Ratio of 4 But that is not the end. Apply the ratios again

The "top" 4% get 64%. These are the Chads. Ratio of 16 Which means that 80th-96th percentile get 14%. Not doing too well either. Apply again

The "top" 0.8%, i.e. the 1% we love talking about, get 51.2%. Ratio of 64. So the top 3% get 13%. So even the regular Chads only get 13%. Apply again

The "top" 0.16%, i.e. the 0.1% get 40.96%. Ratio of 4,096 So the 99th - 99.9th percentile gets about 10%. So you need to be a 1%er, not just a regular Chad, to really get sex on demand and a line up of mating offers

The "top" 0.032%, i.e.; the top of the top. The ultra-Chads; get 32.768%. The ones who truly have it made, with a ratio of 16,777,216

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I don’t use moisturizer on stuff like my hands or arms or whatever, but yeah 2-3 times a day as part of facial skin care. Maybe exfoliation would be good, but I don’t currently do it and don’t expect it from a partner. I’m not too picky about body hair on women and I personally don’t shave aside from trimming my beard because I think it’s kinda amusing to be a big hairy dude. I might shave more in the future when I start cutting rather than bulking, but for now it adds to the buff caveman aesthetic. For women, as long as you don’t have a mustache and a total jungle in your pants I don’t care much.

I have naturally wavy blond hair that is a little prone to frizz at the moment. Got dried out by prescription shampoos I had for seborrheic dermatitis (that didn’t work), but has healed a lot in the last few months.

All that being said, I wouldn’t consider myself a model and I don’t hold people to model standards

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In one of my med school classes, we had a hypothetical about an older male virgin (under 30). And the girls were soo judgemental and making fun of it, meanwhile the dudes didnt really say anything. It wasnt like a mental health case either, but rather a real medical issue, the man just happened to not be sexually active. The women here try to BS about women not caring about the virginity itself but rather the “incel” mindset, but it isnt true IRL. Many of them were outspoken “feminists” who were oh so upset about sexism in medicine. My recommendation, if youre a sexually inactive male, lie to your doc if its a woman if you dont want to be judged. It sucks, because med schools are trying to be woke now and are admitting more women than men. I truly fear for mens health in the future, it is already kind of shitty now, it will be even worse with women dominating medicine.

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Also, I'm pretty sure there's a "prefer not to answer" option for race.

Correct, and I don't use it specifically for the stated reasons and opt to accurately report my race. Much of my family is racially ambiguous and could pass for Hispanic, PI, etc. It is way more common than you probably realize, and being able to pass specifically for white is not the only kind of racial ambiguity that exists.

And that's exactly what I said, that if you're worried about it you should either try to see a male doc or lie to a female doc if you're forced to see one and worried about it - because I can confirm, there are a lot of women who judge it in the medical field.

I am mostly agreeing with you on this, though you have yet to elucidate how a woman's thoughts on a man's virginity will affect his treatment outcomes. Like...I guess it could be an interesting research topic? Is there any research on this?

Lying about not being a virgin will barely be relevant. If you had sex 10 years ago and are not a virgin, that's not going to drastically change your medical visit, and if you lie about having sex years ago and not being a virgin there's very few downsides and saves you from the bias you might encounter.

I am pretty sure the exact question asked in most contexts is "are you sexually active." If a guy hasn't gotten laid in like 10 years he would fit in the "no" category. Would you advise a guy to answer that truthfully?

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Correct, and I don't use it specifically for the stated reasons and opt to accurately report my race. Much of my family is racially ambiguous and could pass for Hispanic, PI, etc. It is way more common than you probably realize, and being able to pass specifically for white is not the only kind of racial ambiguity that exists.

So what's your point? It exists for a reason. No, I probably accurately realize how common it is since I never made the claim about anyone passing for white specifically.

though you have yet to elucidate how a woman's thoughts on a man's virginity will affect his treatment outcomes. Like...I guess it could be an interesting research topic? Is there any research on this?

Implicit bias is a huge research topic, although I doubt anyone will look at this specific thing because it would paint women in a negative light. What I can say is that the women in the class were laughing about it and judging it. So how do you think that would effect not just treatment but the doctor-patient relationship? Perhaps she wouldn't spend as much time with him as she would with other patients. Perhaps she wouldn't take his concerns as seriously.

I am pretty sure the exact question asked in most contexts is "are you sexually active." If a guy hasn't gotten laid in like 10 years he would fit in the "no" category. Would you advise a guy to answer that truthfully?

Were you in the med school class with me? Yes, most often the question is are you sexually active. But sometimes they might go further and ask "sexually active ever" like they did here. I think I can recall maybe once or twice being asked "ever" when I was a patient, and it wasn't ever for a visit that was sexual health related. I think it comes down to prerogative. And like I said multiple times, in this specific scenario, it makes sense to lie. For that question, if you're a virgin, I would say something like "not currently" which is technically true.

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Made the mistake of going down the "unsolved cases/missing persons" rabbithole last night, and now I walk around feeling this... I don't know how to describe it, like a pit in my stomach. It's just so horrific, especially the little girls and boys that go missing, I don't even want to contemplate their fates. I think of the parents and the families as well, can you imagine your child just disappearing like that? Some cases literally have the parents watching the children and then the children just walk around the corner of the house for a second and then boom, gone forever. Never any closure as well, parents just end up hoping that they didn't suffer for long. How do you even ever recover from that as a parent as well?

I'm usually a very anti-state/pro-freedom person, but I could absolutely see the case for at least having minors having a GPS-chip implanted and removed once they turn 18, and I know all the slippery slope arguments that are going to come flying at me, but it should at least be available to parents, no? I don't know man, it's just such a horrific thing...

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Patriarchal society was equal. There was zero inequality. Men had to curb their lesser instincts and so did women. Now only men are expected to curb their lesser instincts.

Society can't function with only one sex expecting to be civilized.

Men can't act on their instincts to fight and kill for resources, women can't act on their hypergamous instincts. That's equality. That's a sacrifice of behavior for both sexes.

Men have physical leverage, women have sexual leverage. Men's leverage has been made illegal. Women's sexual leverage has been unleashed.

Now things aren't equal.

The only way to make things equal is to expect women to behave better than their instincts just like men do.

Marry young and permanently. Assertive mating where you have zero choice but to get with your match because all others are taken. In return men are also expected to be civilized.

That's an equal society.

Why don't you like debating with me?

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I go out of my way to not try and be insulting

Yes I'll reject things I don't see as true when women talk about inequality you know what it always boils down to?

"I just want to marry who I want"

Except you always could. Women weren't forced to marry. Men still had to ask and women had to say yes.

So what was the issue?

The hot, good girls were getting all the hot good men, and the average woman had to settle for her icky looksmatch.

This issue was never about men forcing anything, it was about women wanting to take turns with hot men before settling down with a beta. Wanting to use their natural sexual leverage to sleep with guys out of their league.

It's odd to me that you'd like to paint me as someone who is unusually stubborn or convinced of all of my own opinions when you have convinced yourself on a certain opinion about me

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What makes you feminist is thinking you're equal to men in every way.

Go ahead and downvote me, IDC. Yeah, women shouldn't have the right to vote and I think abortion shouldn't be considered a "basic human right". The reason women shouldn't have the right to vote is because women use it to advantage themselves, vote themselves free money from the public treasury, and vote to hinder and sandbag unattractive men.

Women don't vote based on careful considerations of good public policy or for the public good. They vote based on what makes them feel good and what will give them the most free shit.

Because abortion as currently constituted is NOT a basic human right; it's a basic FEMALE right and it's a right that I am not permitted because I'm not a woman. Abortion is a gender specific "right", which means it's a special right and therefore not a "basic human right".

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I don’t think I’m equal to men and I think plenty of other women also accept that. There’s a reason why men and women don’t and shouldn’t compete in the same sports leagues, for example.

And what makes you think it’s only women voting that way? I think the majority of people vote whichever way they believe they will benefit from the most. Conservatives want to pay less taxes so they will vote in people who campaign on that and liberals want universal health care so they will vote people who campaign on that. Unless you have stats that prove otherwise I don’t believe it’s only women voting with their own interests in mind.

Except I think men should be allowed financial abortion as long as literal abortion stays legal, so both parties have a say. Of course it’s not entirely equal since it’s women’s bodies and they have the final say, but I think there should also be laws that benefit men more, and I think the push for “gender equality” has been exhausted and is only negatively affecting men at this point. I don’t think patriarchy is always a bad thing.

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FDS's dream is to get with a man with money. TRP's dream is to get with a women with looks and youth. Both types are shallow people who seem incapable both of love, and of viewing the opposite sex with humanity. Normal people don't go around seeing each other like this.

What do FDS women do then if they meet the "wallet of their dreams" and the man loses his job? Gets fired or made redundant? Or his company goes over and he loses it all?! He becomes a "LWM"? She falls out of love, dumps him and leaves him?

What do TRP men do when they meet a hot young woman and she gets older? Ages out of her looks? Gains weight? Her looks just plain deteriorate over time? Or gets really ill and doesn't look fuckable anymore?

Literally no human on earth wants to be viewed and treated the way TRP/FDS view and treat the opposite sex. With all these weird terms and conditions and "value" applied to them for superficial and materialistic reasons.

Men want to know they will be loved exactly the same if they lose their job, and that is absolutely fair. Women want to know they will be loved exactly the same if they lose their looks, and that is absolutely fair as well.

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No teehees, no hahas, no edginess but I genuinely almost never feel bad for women with constant dating woes. Most of them have so many more options than an average guy will in his life, but simply fuck up.

They’ll either constantly choose bad partners, or fuck things up with good partners by being inconsistent, unreliable, irrational, illogical, difficult, flat out annoying and or immature. Or think they’re too good for their options. It’s funny because those are never the kinds to improve themselves to match what they think they deserve.

I know women and accountability are like oil and water, so most would never admit how much of a fuck up they are, but it’s true. It’s even more rich when they know it and want to change but can’t. Absolutely pathetic.

Some of you are giving a good effort and not being dumb. I feel for you and hope you succeed. But I find your kind few and far between.

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Just waking up in the morning, gotta thank God I don't know but today seems kinda odd No barking from the dog, no smog And momma cooked a breakfast with no hog (yeah) I got my grub on, but didn't pig out Finally got a call from a girl I want to dig out (wassup?) Hooked it up for later as I hit the do' Thinking, "Will I live another twenty fo'?" I gotta go 'cause I got me a drop top And if I hit the switch, I can make the ass drop Had to stop at a red light Looking in my mirror, not a jacker in sight And everything is alright I got a beep from Kim and she can fuck all night Called up the homies and I'm askin' y'all "Which park, are y'all playin' basketball?" Get me on the court and I'm trouble Last week, fucked around and got a triple double Freakin' niggas every way like M.J. I can't believe, today was a good day (shit)

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[–]Spread-Em-PlzBlooming Chad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]brojuststfuKPV - Thot Strangler 😎 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]itsallieellie 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

[–]Soon-to-be-Catlady 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]AutonateNo Pill 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mrs_DrgreeNow Accepting Simp Applications 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Bandit174🦝 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

[–]Preme2 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]DivineDaedraChadwife and Arbiter of Sexpertise 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]6negative4Envious of women 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Bandit174🦝 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]WhoHasItMadeM26. Still seeking special someone. Virgin by choice (I hope) 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]-angels-fan-Pitbull loving male feminist 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Mrs_DrgreeNow Accepting Simp Applications 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Mrs_DrgreeNow Accepting Simp Applications 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

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[–]dysonRing 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Mrs_DrgreeNow Accepting Simp Applications 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]AutonateNo Pill 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]sarkington 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]6negative4Envious of women 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]AutonateNo Pill 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Slootando 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]SliptheLust, Thrust, Bust and Dust 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Mrs_DrgreeNow Accepting Simp Applications 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]SliptheLust, Thrust, Bust and Dust 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]sleuthoftrades1Purple Pill Man 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Bandit174🦝 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]lulll 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]WhoHasItMadeM26. Still seeking special someone. Virgin by choice (I hope) 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

[–]SliptheLust, Thrust, Bust and Dust 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

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[–]WhoHasItMadeM26. Still seeking special someone. Virgin by choice (I hope) 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]SliptheLust, Thrust, Bust and Dust 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]WhoHasItMadeM26. Still seeking special someone. Virgin by choice (I hope) 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]SliptheLust, Thrust, Bust and Dust 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]WhoHasItMadeM26. Still seeking special someone. Virgin by choice (I hope) 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]sleuthoftrades1Purple Pill Man 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]WhoHasItMadeM26. Still seeking special someone. Virgin by choice (I hope) 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Mrs_DrgreeNow Accepting Simp Applications 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Soon-to-be-Catlady 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

[–]LetsDelveIntoIt1Purple Pill Woman 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]sleuthoftrades1Purple Pill Man 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]6negative4Envious of women -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]figuringMylifeas the Blacks say 🙇🏾‍♀️ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]PeanutBetaAndJellyMy virginity on the Blockchain, a Non-Fuckable Token 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]SmurfESmurfersonStacy’s Post-Wall Mom 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Sad_Top1743Misogyny is not a joke Jim 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]LetsDelveIntoIt1Purple Pill Woman 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]6negative4Envious of women 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

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I've been wondering lately where this myth comes from that as a woman if you didn't marry, you'd be left to die in the streets.

I've asked several times for sources from people who make this claim about the conservative patriarchal past of America, I've asked for sources that widows were left to die, that sluts were purposely starved.

They just "lol" and say shit like "it's common knowledge"

And after tossing it around in my head for a long time, I think I found the answer.

Women are solipsistic. If they can't imagine caring about something they can't imagine anyone else caring about it.

So in reality it's just projection. They think men would let women they don't like die in the streets because women honestly wouldn't care if men they didn't like starved in the streets.

They care so little for men they don't find attractive they simply cannot imagine that men don't have the same level of apathy for women they find distasteful.

If anyone has any alternative theories go ahead and supply them, but to me this fits best with all the evidence we have.

Women, men can care about women we don't want to fuck. We feel sadness when they suffer (really suffer not "oh noes chad won't commit" suffering) naturally. It's not until the world (women) beat this instinct out of us that we purposely lose this default empathy.

Men are all blur pilled until women red pill them. Women are yellow pilled, solipsism pilled. It's like blue pill on steroids but only directed at themselves and trying to justify any and all behavior they display in the best possible light, everyone else be dammed and can die in the streets for all they care

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I don’t think “they’re left to die”, I think it’s more so said in relation to the idea of raising a family and being a wife in general.

If that’s not your objective, then you won’t be left to die, you’ll just need a job for most of your life with a retirement plan or a plan to make a lot of money in a shorter amount of time, accept the fact you won’t have kids (or if you do it won’t be ideal), and accept the fact you’re risking placing yourself amongst one of the most unhappy groups of people by aligning yourself that way.

In the case someone truly means they’re going to be left to die, I agree with you, but I don’t think that’s what a lot of people mean.

I also agree with the fact that most men start out blue pilled until women red pill them, similar to how women say “they hate all men” due to a couple of their past relationships.

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You’re trying to just justify your hypocrisy now lol.

What hypocrisy? There's biological reasons for why women don't find balding men attractive, you won't find that with leg hair. It's not just a question of visually appealing.

And your logic in the paragraph makes no sense. Lots of women don’t find short height in men attractive but most people don’t think the same for short women. People like big muscles on men but not on women. So things aren’t the same between similar traits in men and women.

If the ultimate goal is reproducing sucessfully with healthy genes, then it does make sense to reproduce with men who don't show signs of "unhealthiness". The reason short men aren't as attractive as tall men is because tall men will be better for protection. Men don't need women to do this, so of course short women aren't penalized for it. Same with muscles.

But there's no such thing with leg hair. You don't seem to have a logical explanation for why female leg hair is nasty and male leg hair isn't nasty, lol.

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Short men have a lower chance of heart issues and live longer so in a modern world if you are concerned with the benefits short is better technically

I'm talking about early human history. Tall men would be better and our reptile brain still thinks so. Reproducing with a man who would lose the cave fight isn't logical.

Body hair is masculine that’s why it’s it nasty on women while it is not in men.

If it was masculine, we wouldn't have it and it wouldn't be a mere 100 year old norm for women to shave.

Think you are just mad that men have this preference lol

You're the one that seems mad about me pointing out your hypocrisy since you're posting about it again further up. Men can have this preference all they like, but hamstering about the reason why is just pathetic, lmao. No man fucking a woman with leg hair is disliking it because it's masculine, because body hair isn't inherently masculine, it's human.

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That's a pretty big stretch in comparison to your original comment IMO.

It's like saying a guy isn't homeless because he was able to sleep in a warehouse for a few days.

This only works if your previous statement is accurate, which I don't find it to be....

Ok, the apparently insatiable thirst for sex was relieved for at most 12 hours out of the whole year.

The customer base for sexually active men (even if it's casual and far and few between) buying sex suits will not be comparable to a homeless man's yearning for a warm place to sleep, that's why this comparison and your statement doesn't really work. A man who gets laid casually will not be purchasing a sex suit unless that person has pretty bad sex issues, and even then, that doesn't automatically mean said person chooses to not respect women across the board.

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Let's circle back to the original point for a moment. You were suggesting that women want to be treated with dignity and decency in intimate relationships, and possibly even that women evaluate men romantically along those lines.

Dignity is an Enlightenment idea about the internal worth and equal status of men. A king is just another man and so is a pauper. Women don't want this in general and certainly don't like it in intimate relationships. Women want to feel treasured, which is not an equal relationship at all.

Decency can mean active alignment to morals or ethics depending on the context. In common parlance, ethics is by far the most used. You could argue that women want this in non-intimate interactions, but not from a lover. They want excitement and taboo. They want men who desire them so much that the rules be damned. They want men who are able to break the rules in public, or even better make them himself.

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