How much SEXUAL attractiveness does losing weight and putting on muscle add to a guys SEXUAL appeal?

Positive_Education49 · 2021-12-21T13:04:59+00:00

I used to be fat and get no attention from girls. Look at my profile pic. This is me now and I have girls hit on me now. Especially at the beach. If that answers your question

mitigated-disaster · 2021-12-21T13:25:10+00:00

I know this is a Q4W. But as a guy... ALOT. I went from underweight to muscular. Long story short... I don't really have to approach anymore. Almost all my female friends tried to hookup/date me.

Take that as you will.

Siryezzsir · 2021-12-21T13:26:17+00:00

I have it the other way around. I used to be fit and toned but since the epidemic, I stopped working out and gained some weight. I live in a reasonably cold country so with clothes on you can't really see the difference in my body. But I did lose my jawline and my face overall became more fluffy.

I notice the glances I used to get from women decreased and when I do catch them looking they break eye contact, while before that was definitely not the case.

Gigamon2014 · 2021-12-21T20:50:02+00:00

Measured myself today.

6ft4, 278lbs. Might be hovering about 10-11% body fat right now.

I've fucked more women than probably 99% of this forum. Much of which was due to my physique. Plenty of absolutely stunning ones too. Anyone telling you it doesn't matter is just lying to you. Straight up lying. Before it used to annoy me seeing women argue how much they love dad bods. Now it's just sad. Akin to men who prey on unattractive women who they feel are easy lays. I mean there are definitely chubby chasers, met s few myself. But then the tragedy is whilst some of these chubby chasers are legit, you put a slim hotty in front of them and tell them she's interested and you watch how quickly fat no longer appeals to him. Women are no different.

But hey, ignore what I say and sit on your ass whining sout chads and stacies. Your loss.

FYI, most women posting in reddit are losers. Legit have nothing going for them. We men aren't far off, but let's be for real, I've been posting in messageboards since I was 16. It's a predominantly make pastime. Since about the mid noughts, there has been an influx of female social failures and peddlers who've flooded online to espouse horseshit. My girl perused here briefly but only because I kept recommended it as place for good career advice and even she acknowledged how pathetic the virtue signalling here was. Your average party girl/hottie/influencer/gym bunny isn't going to be posting here telling you how much she loves seth rogan.

2021-12-21T15:16:47+00:00

It makes a huge difference.

Women who say they 'don't care' are unable to date fit men with nice personalites so they compensate.

Business-Cheesecake2 · 2021-12-21T12:25:39+00:00

It is working, you just need to work on your game. That additional attention gets you in the door.

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2021-12-21T23:20:58+00:00

I was a skinny 6.3' 154lbs blue eyes-black hair dude when I was 16 or so and while girls somewhat liked me I struggled quite a lot to go on dates or so.

Once my father dropped me at a gym (after a fat older loser kicked my ass because she was jealous that his girlfriend fancied me) and I put a lot of muscle. By the time I was 19-20 I was around 190 pounds and very ripped, and the difference is like night and day.

I went from aproaching 10 girls and gettin rejected 11 times, to not having to aproach at all. I just had to "be there".

Also, I got aproached a lot more by women way older than me, something that never happened before.

My notch count started to skyrocketing also during this time, I think I had slept with two girls til 17-18 (and after a lot of work) but between 18 and 20 I slept with around 40 girls give or take. Of course I atribute this increase in my success to me being in better shape.

danhaas · 2021-12-21T15:15:52+00:00

Gaining muscle also hugely improves your confidence and your energy levels and that's very attractive. Sex is also much more fun if you can lift your partner lol

Meatheads have justifiably a bad connotation in many womens' minds, but it's not like you get like that by accident. You won't regret lifting weights.

forthetinderelllas · 2021-12-22T00:09:35+00:00

as a man all i can say is its crazy how people literally respect you just for being good-looking

men will ask for advice, women will approach you; people overall are friendlier

phrasesuspicious4 · 2021-12-21T14:43:36+00:00

Nearly none if his face wasn't attractive to begin with. An attractive guy with muscles is hot, an unattractive guy with muscles is intimidating.

Insidious-Sid · 2021-12-21T17:01:10+00:00

On the other hand, putting on some muscles didn't change much. Just more touching and grabbing. As great as that might sounds. I didn't see a big improvement in sexual appeal or got more action that I was expecting.

No offense, but it sounds like you still have a "overweight guy" mindset. You need to realize that women do NOT touch a man they are sexually repulsed by and only touch a man when they see something they like.

If a woman is ever touching you again in a social/party atmosphere, learn how to "escalate tension using touch". Another way men and women "touch" is through flirting and being playful. You might take something of hers, perhaps her gloves or hat, and she tries to get them back. Looking back, I recall numerous times when a woman was sort of "wrestling" with me and grabbing my wrists, usually trying to get back something I "borrowed" from her. (Of course, in the context of joking around and flirting). I think in these cases she might actually have been testing to see how strong I was and how easily she can move me around. If you're as hard to move as a 10-tonne metal statue, it's a turn on. If she can push the guys around easily, well, no so much.

Watch how women touch and "play" with guys who have the guns hanging out of their shits. Not all women like muscular men, but the ones who do are well worth pursuing if you're jacked. She's can be turned on before you even do anything. At a minimum, you already got that little "yes" sexually which is a HUGE BARRIER for the vast majority of men.

You have "big guy" instincts and I know how this feels. When you're overweight, you're AFRAID to touch anyone because you're afraid of a (likely) negative outcome.

You might even have a form of body dysmorphia due to past obesity. Look that up perhaps and see if it fits the bill.

Maybe all you need is to stop "being" a 31BMI and start "being" a 23BMI.

Congrats on your transformation btw. Few people will know what it takes to from a 31 to a 23 BMI.

Brilliant-Hornet1916 · 2021-12-21T19:59:52+00:00

I think it makes a significant difference. Obviously you see examples of guys who were obese and lost all the fat and are now male-model tier - however that's an extreme example of someone who was horrendously fat and had great looks hidden underneath that blubber the whole time.

Generally, there needs to be some bare minimum base looks to begin with. There's a difference between looking good, and looking better than you used to. There's very little point in a guy going from a 1/10 to a 2.5/10 in practical terms because women still find him repulsive.

Short height, ugly face and bad hairline cannot be fixed by muscle gain/fat loss. And these 3 things realistically cannot be compensated for by having a decent physique. Most men don't have the natural frame and muscle building genetics to have the body of a greek god, so they're going to have to settle for a decent above-average athletic physique, which is great if you're already decent looking.

The issue I always think with physique is it's not so apparent compared to other physical attributes. Unless you live on a beach 24/7, people don't often get to see your gym body. Guys who lift are going to look decent in clothes, but it's pretty rare you get a guy who is so muscular that he stands out as a incredible specimen in his winter coat.

ARealHoss · 2021-12-21T20:02:18+00:00

Depends - if you’re not unattractive facially, can make a big difference. You don’t have to be ripped, but if you’re lean and have some definition you’re going to be on average more attractive.

And if you’ve got a ugly mug, it’s still better to be ugly and fit than both ugly and fat.

cautionTomorrow555 · 2021-12-21T21:13:21+00:00

I spent three years in the gym losing weight and getting stronger it made zero difference in how interested women were in me because it didn't put me in the 8+ category. The gym route only works if you are a 5 or 6 to begin with if you are ugly then just do it for health benefits. How in the fuck can I get turned down by 200+ pound women even though I lost weight and put on muscle? One directly stated I was not in good enough shape for her even though she got winded going up a single flight of stairs.

AquaChip · 2021-12-21T14:14:10+00:00

A lot. Women don’t like fat guys in the same way that men don’t like fat women. Sure some men like fat women and some women like fat men but they aren’t the majority.

thetruthishere_ · 2021-12-21T12:30:09+00:00

Unfortunately it is a stereotype (but is often true but definitley not always) that super muscley guys obssesed with working out are douches. I think there are a lot of women who just think you’re gonna be a dick if you’re super fit, I know I tend to avoid “meat head” types, not saying you are one but I think that’s pretty common among women

You’re right I’d say losing weight is more important than gaining muscle.

I’m sure you’re doing good, anything that makes you healthier and feel better is worth it, but definitely keep working on your personality and game because I would say a good amount of woman don’t really care about muscles, more just that you are attractive in general and are charming.

kittenated · 2021-12-21T12:27:06+00:00

Maintaining a healthy body weight improves the attractiveness of anyone, male or female.

Muscle gain though? Negligible imo.

Maybe a little toning, but I'm probably biased because I find the whole very muscular look extremely unattractive.

AnonymousAndy2018 · 2021-12-21T13:41:31+00:00

Bottom line: stop taking advice from and/or listening to women

StarchRunner · 2021-12-21T14:08:47+00:00

A lot. I went from nearly-kissless sexless at 22/23 at 400lb+ to smashing it at 155lb at 28. Gained and held 30lb from exercise since then and doing only better with time.

When I was overweight, I could see sheer revulsions in some woman's eyes just talking to them, without me having any ulterior motive whatsoever (my self-esteem was completely beaten into the ground by then to contemplate it).

Sorry, q4w, but too relevant to me.

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vredditcocksucker · 2021-12-21T14:49:43+00:00

Going from overweight/obese to normal = +2-3 or so points, but could be even more if the guy has a really handsome face under the fat or if he is super obese for example an 8 would be a 3 if obese. being obese lowers your looks level by a lot. normal/average to gym body = +1 point. being really skinny is a bit worse than normal like - 0.5 or 1 points or so but not huge conpared to normal, but big difference compared to gym body. if you're a skinny 4.5 you would be a 6-6.5 if fit which is a huge difference.

ohheyhi99 · 2021-12-21T15:46:58+00:00

It depends. Being fit is a better look for just about all men, but if a fat guy has great bone structure hiding under the fat, he’ll benefit the most from losing weight.

Aubrey_D_Graham · 2021-12-21T16:24:49+00:00

Getting touched and grabbed isn't a signifier of interest for you? Dating is hard.

lissssa-13 · 2021-12-21T16:48:38+00:00

I wouldn’t really date an obese or really an overweight guy so I guess I’d say that being a healthy weight makes a person attractive at all, where as being overweight isn’t attractive to me. I like muscle, but it’s not a “must”. I’m a gym rat I guess but as long as he wants to go do some sort of stuff with me, exercise wise, I’m happy. My hobbies don’t need to be his.

PaidByPutinBot123 · 2021-12-21T17:46:36+00:00

i went from 16 at 135 lbs 15% bf to 28 at 195 lbs 18% body fat. 60 lbs of muslce. I filled out shirts very well at 5 '7.

In my experience, it didn't help at all. The quality of women I could get in high school being a skinny boy with a car and able to approach, was high vs career job, university educated, fit, charismatic me today.

I blame Tinder, wealth inequality, immigration, sugar dating, and aging population for shifting dating power to women.

In the world of lots of rich older men, too many men, few good jobs, and ease of women to see all potential suitors, its gotten worse for dating despite me improving.

Just world fallacy is assuming lifting will improve the quality of women you get. No, it improves the quality of women you could get vs not doing it, but you cant ignore secular decline in quality available to men.

but maybe thats just Toronto. Elsewhere could be different.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2021-12-22T00:29:59+00:00

As a guy who was 300 pounds at one time and is now 203. It adds a ton. I went from getting zero attention from women to not having to approach. Losing weight and getting toned is the best thing a man can do to boost his dating life.

TwoFirmFeet · 2021-12-22T01:05:16+00:00

a lot /thread

NewWayNow · 2021-12-22T02:02:28+00:00

Muscles and weight are factors within the broader category of looks. Other factors are height, facial structure, teeth, hair, race, etc. All of the factors interact with each other and balance each other. The more factors you have going in your favor, the better. That said, muscles are not necessarily the most important of these. In fact, they may be among the least important.

trail22 · 2021-12-22T07:23:05+00:00

If your anaverage 5'10 white guy probably a lot.

JoeRMD77 · 2021-12-21T12:45:55+00:00

Because going to the gym doesn't fix character flaws.

kykyshmidt · 2021-12-21T14:44:29+00:00

Obesity is a turn off... definitely, but like surgery, adding muscles doesn't do that much of a difference bc the features I'm looking for is how much body mass does he have in his natural state without working out. And other things I care about is hair, no hairloss, i like pointy little straight noses, little not wide full lips, jawline cutting, cheekbones for days, thick eyebrows, deer eyes, i don't care about skin colour or hair colour that's very irrelevant for me. Height, good facial structure, inherent body mass. So yeah those are more genetic things that make for me the difference that no one can really change, but are the game changers. Dealbreakers despite having good genes like i described would be obesity, no job, debt, bad character like being manipulative gaslighting, being dirty, redpill stuff, pick up artist stuff

Alt_Er_Midlertidig · 2021-12-21T13:03:40+00:00

None if his face is ugly.

CharlieBrown52 · 2021-12-21T13:13:00+00:00

Zero, went from 29bmi to 17bmi. If you not 6ft + it won't matter much.

King8Kaista · 2021-12-21T13:22:45+00:00

Muscles are a smaller contributor to your sex appeal. Women aren’t as visual as men are. A man’s physical appearance doesn’t stimulate a bodily response to women nowhere near as intense as a women’s body does to men. You need to cultivate masculine personality traits in order to really intensify your sex appeal. If it’s your goal to achieve high sex appeal, I recommend tattoos. Younger women are into rebellious/edgy looking men.

DXBrigade · 2021-12-21T13:53:54+00:00

Depends on how fat you are in the place. If you are obese, then losing weight makes a huge difference. As for putting muscles, the problem is that unless you are shirtless, the difference is not gonna obvious (except if you have a big dad bod in the first place).

dysonRing · 2021-12-21T13:57:46+00:00

Lots yes, I historically really interact with lots of women (until very recently) since I am in computer science, but my sister does and when I was skinny she always told me so and so acquaintance/friend was interested and it was almost all of them, when I was fat? 0 a big fat 0.

Hoopy223 · 2021-12-21T15:58:15+00:00

When I lost weight and bought nicer clothes it was a huge difference. I’d go into the bank or grocery store and girls working there who knew me would run up and hug me. And my online dating profile suddenly got matches. I’d say “hi” or send a message full if emojis and they would respond.

januaryphilosopher · 2021-12-21T16:25:04+00:00

How is an attractive woman losing weight going to give her lots of sexual appeal? Assuming that your idea of "attractive" includes being a healthy weight, she'd presumably lose appeal by losing weight to become underweight.

Remarkable-Salt1074 · 2021-12-21T16:40:58+00:00

I think you are spot on. Being fat severely hurts you but being muscular only helps a slight amount assuming you are being compared to the AVERAGE. People who go from bulimic to Jacked will notice huge difference and vice versa. Getting jacked is neither a magic cure to be Chad nor can it make your personality magnetic, but it’s certainly not hurting at least.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2021-12-21T17:01:40+00:00

I've been "average" and I've put on some muscle and haven't noticed a difference at all.

wtknight · 2021-12-21T17:21:20+00:00

I think that being fit is important. On the other hand, I think how much muscle a woman prefers on a man is more individual preference and that different women prefer different body types.

ChadThundagaCock · 2021-12-21T18:29:08+00:00

It certainly helps, and being healthy and fit is a good thing regardless of what other people think. As usual, you have women on here denying the attractiveness of having muscle. They might be referring to The Rock instead of Tom Holland though, which is where the confusion comes in. Yes it helps. You will get more IOIs.

But like the Warlord post states in TRP, women would rather fuck an ugly guy with high frame than a hot guy with low frame. There will be exceptions. Some women will fuck a boring guy with a beta frame if he is good looking.

NoMarriageNoKids · 2021-12-21T18:35:27+00:00

Tons. I went through a phase where I out on some relationship pounds and neglected the gym. Still got attention but nothing like when I was single again and get it back together.

IcarusKiki · 2021-12-21T19:14:02+00:00

A lot obviously

ArmoredDragonIMO · 2021-12-21T20:39:44+00:00

How much SEXUAL attractiveness does losing weight and putting on muscle add to a guys SEXUAL appeal?

Oh definitely. After losing a lot of weight I got a lot more tinder matches.

Kaisha001 · 2021-12-21T22:05:58+00:00

Alot!

Though it's less about the pictures. It seems to draw women on a primal level. They have this need to touch you when you're built. They can't keep their hands off you. Pats on the arm, rub on the shoulders, etc... Which makes it very easy to transition to 'more touching', if that's what you're going for.

JoanGreenCat · 2021-12-21T22:44:27+00:00

I like masculine features. Hitting the gym and loosing fat helps men to lose weight on their face showing their chin and nice jawline. I find this the most attractive because I don't care much about the body as long as the guy isn't obese.

newrunner29 · 2021-12-22T01:56:26+00:00

Depends on a guys ceiling. If you are tall then getting muscular is a looks force multiplier

Ciao7991 · 2021-12-22T03:19:32+00:00

Depends on how tall he is tbh

thetruthishere_ · 2021-12-22T04:55:03+00:00

Being a normal weight is more attractive to most people, muscles or not, its just how it is.

Its less about muscles and just dont be overweight on either side.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2021-12-22T04:59:38+00:00

For an average guy, a great physique can bump him 1-2 points in the attractiveness scale.

For a very obese guy, it can be much more than that. A 3 can even become an 8, given that all that fat was concealing his great facial features.

BlackGriffin_1 · 2021-12-22T05:37:15+00:00

Working out different do anything for you unless you are morbidly obese because then you will have changes in your face

sex_is_dirty · 2021-12-22T07:08:15+00:00

Losing fat will bring out the natural structure of the face, but there's the hell of it. You don't know whats down there. One takes the chance of exposing some ugly bone structure. I suppose you could always regain the fat if things worked out poorly.

Think of it this way. Make a game of it. Get an anatomy book and see if you can gradually ID the facial muscles as they rise like the ribs of a long sunken ship at the bottom of a draining swamp.

Here's my z. major, this is the z. minor Looks like the obicularis oris is on the ascendancy. Point this out to the babes in the club. Get laid like a rug.

kindParodox · 2021-12-22T07:14:35+00:00

As a man who likes men I can say it does have a SLIGHT help to you but only if the lady/man is shallow and that is all you have going for you. Typically in the real world that only matters to a small degree. What's really important is realistic compatibility. You can't hop on some dating/ hook up site and expect everyone to be interested in you or for your interest to be reciprocated... Dating based souly on appearance of your partner is also a recipe for disaster because let's be honest looks fade.

So if you're looking for explicit sex, yeah a well built athletic body will probably give you a leg up. But it means about as much as being rich in Monopoly money if you're looking for an actual relationship...sure if you find a girl/guy who likes muscle as much as a board game player likes monopoly money then You've got a shared interest and thus y'all are more compatible

Superfluous_Toast · 2021-12-22T22:08:43+00:00

Losing weight, quite a lot. Adding muscle? Meh to even ew depending how extreme it is.

TodTheRod01 · 2021-12-23T00:26:10+00:00

There's a point where you actually start getting a negative impact by gaining muscle. Id same same about losing weight also.

The other part is...if you have an ugly face as a guy, putting on muscle wont help that.

You have to define what muscular is, and you're better off doing so without using good looking celebs.

There's also 2 sides to looking muscular.

Being lean.
Carrying more muscle.

The first 1 word that comes to mind when you see Ray Williams at his biggest and fattest is not damn he's JACKED...Just like you wouldnt think jacked if you saw a 140lbs 6'3 dude but he had abs...

reddit_hypnosis · 2021-12-23T09:52:30+00:00

I'm 6'4" and have weighed between 190lbs skinny, 210 skinny fat, 210 fit, and 230 chubby/fat. And that 30 lb swing is less apparent at 6'4" than other weights obviously.

At 210 fit I can easily get nice girls 10 years younger than me. At 230 I have to really try and end up with weird girls.

I've been with about 50 girls in my life (36 now). If I stop lifting for a year, I will get ZERO attention, zero interest, zero anything for months, years, however long it is. If I am fit, cashiers giggle and mix up their words while handing me change.

PM_ME_STRIPPERS · 2021-12-25T21:28:31+00:00

You can polish a turd but its still a turd

if you have always been ugly losing weight and going to a normal/ average weight isnt really going to help if you are ugly anyway.

But if you have an attractive face and you go from fat to average/ normal of course you are going to have women swoon over you

poppydowns88 · 2021-12-25T23:40:15+00:00

A lot. Obesity is seriously unattractive, a little chubby is fine and I care more about a guys face than him being really jacked but more than 20lbs overweight is out of the question. I'm a normal bmi so I think its fair.

daddysgotanew · 2021-12-21T13:30:18+00:00

If your face isn’t up to par, it won’t matter. Nobody cares about a jacked ugly dude

evanstown21 · 2021-12-21T14:04:05+00:00

a lot in the sense that you went from obese (actively repulsive to some women) to normal (kinda blends in but doesn’t actively result in attraction). To inspire attraction, you’re gonna have to do more than just be passable though

WheelIntelligent1354 · 2021-12-21T14:18:59+00:00

When I was 107kg(87/88rn) no drunk girl ever told me I'm hot. For the last few months when I've been flirting with drunkards at parties they tell me I'm hot etc. I am more confident as well and better groomed but still angles are attractive and being a "curvy" man is not.

hudibrastic · 2021-12-21T14:25:36+00:00

Adding a bit of muscle doesn't do shit, the bar is high... You need to be fucking muscular and lean to catch female attention

If you are in the middle you just catch male attention “nice gainz bro”

chilumibrainrot · 2021-12-21T21:01:31+00:00

i don't know why men think women are so obsessed with buff guys and muscle. we're not. just dont be obese and take decent care of yourself and we're good lol. most of us like them to be tall and skinny and look like theyre dying

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