What solutions would you guys propose?

jazzmaster1992 · 2022-03-16T21:18:47+00:00

The one major issue I can identify on a broader level of just how easy it is to be insular, and just how much being insular seems to be encouraged, especially by the powers that be (corporations). Work from home/remotely, order everything online to be delivered to you so you don't have to leave the house or car, do all your socializing and dating through apps, etc. I hate to sound like a boomer, but I think "screen addiction" is a very real problem. I meet so many people around my age (29) who have issues with anxiety, and who seem almost unable to engage with the world without doing it through a phone. There's lot of other potential issues that guys are facing - it comes down to an individual level and every situation is unique, after all. Simply being in situations where you are socializing and interacting with others, being present with them, learning how to carry a conversation with anyone (not just women you want to be in a relationship with), make it less likely for you to feel lonely, needy and insecure, and therefore a better relationship prospect. These are my two cents, anyways.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2022-03-16T20:58:19+00:00

Best solution I can think of is..... provide adequate mental healthcare resources and invest in early childhood development/education/socialization. There's not really much else that can be done at a societal level, but giving people the resources they need at a young age and setting them up so that they have better overall outcomes is really it.

warramite · 2022-03-16T21:37:58+00:00

Realistically nothing will ever be done until its pretty much impossible to fix it.. By the time the average person can see that there's a massive imbalance its already too late

The issue is men are vastly more attracted to women than vice versa, this isn't a social condition issue its biological.. Women want the best of whatever hierarchy they're a part of

The best thing that could be done is simply normalize befriending Low Value Men and embedding them into your social circles, Women are NOT going to be lowering their standards and children are being digitized younger and younger, further strengthening how important online dating IS and WILL be in future

Sexbots, legalizing prostitution and befriending Low Value Men is my only solution, the men who are too ugly will use sexbots or pay prostitutes

Counter_Proposition · 2022-03-17T04:23:26+00:00

I have no idea what the answer is on a societal level, but even if you vehemently agree with everything else TRP is about, its principles for men are sound AF: - Be true to yourself. Read the book “No More Mr. Nice Guy” for details - Lift and workout. Eat right and take care of your body. - Don’t waste time doing counterproductive bullshit like jerking off and playing video games - Own your shit. Kill any shred of victim mentality inside you, stop making excuses!

SultanZanzibar · 2022-03-16T21:44:19+00:00

Michel Houellebecq is a French writer who predicted in a book written in the late 1990s (entitled 'Whatever') that the liberalisation of the sexual market, just like liberalisation of the economic market, would drastically increase inequalities between those who succeed and accumulate more wealth than they need and those who fail miserably and live lives of poverty and desperation.

As a former Communist, Houellebecq unironically advocated for the 'redistribution of sex', not by forcing women to have sex with men they disliked but through the enforcement of conservative social norms to 'regulate the market' such as monogamy and marriage.

He later wrote a book (called 'Submission') in which he claims that the currently unregulated sexual market is unsustainable as it's leading to the collapse of birth rates (and happiness) in Europe. He reckons Islam, despite considering it to be a 'barbaric system', will replace European secularism because European men will eventually realise they'd benefit more from living in a 'regulated market' with a fair distribution of sexual resources than living in an 'unregulated' market where only a few succeed.

In other words, he sees Islam as the only social force capable of taking us out of the neoliberal mess we got ourselves into. He envisions a future in which France turns into a Muslim country, not because its people suddenly started believing in Islamic doctrine, but because the men wanted to get laid and the whole of society longed for a return to sexual 'fairness'.

Visible-Doughnut-782 · 2022-03-16T23:54:52+00:00

“Dating” apps are only good for two sets of people.

1: The very small percentage of extremely photogenic guys that pretty much have their pick of all female users.

2: Woman( conventionally attractive or otherwise) that are only interested in casual sex.

Unless you fall into the above categories than the solution is to simply get off the apps and start meeting people the old fashioned way.

People complain about how “shallow” everybody is these days when it comes to dating but that is hardly surprising when you are basing your entire perception of another human being on a few pics and messages. Meeting somebody in the real world and having a relationship develop organically is massively different in terms of fostering attraction and affection than it is via a dating app or social media.

Classic_Head3437 · 2022-03-16T20:45:52+00:00

Get off the apps. Most people across the planet don't use them, and between 30-40% of Americans do. Especially awkward youngsters. It's not the norm. It's weird and new, and people need to understand that.

JumboJetz · 2022-03-16T23:15:03+00:00

Men who are undesireable need to find ways to suppress their sex drive. Maybe an anti-libido medication can be given to these men.

I’m not so sure I’d love this idea but throwing it out there.

Freevoulous · 2022-03-18T07:44:47+00:00

In the long run? Encourage couples to only have daughters, not sons. If say, 55% of babies born and raised were girls, the problem would right itself within a generation.

The problem is over-abundance of young men. This leads to incelism, simping, Beta-ism, but also to stuff like terrorism, Alr-Right, school shootings etc.

Men must become a scarce resource to equalize themselves sexually with women.

Additional solutions:

Cultivate a culture of Iron Pill-like mentality in young men: teach them to focus on their school, career, personal growth, physical fitness and cerebral pursuits rather than girls. I think that if men abstained from relationships until they are in early 30s, but focused on being as smart, educated, muscular, social and philosophically rounded as possible would by itself greatly help.
Teach boys basic social skills at school. WIthin it, teach boys how to make lasting male friendships, because men starved for human interaction mistake romantic relationships for the solution, and simp. A man should not go into a relationship because he is lonely, he should get in one when he is ready.
remodel PE at school and greatly encourage fitness. In 1950s, almost every HS boy had sixpack abs and could do 100 pushups. If we could go back to that level it would quickly turn out that lots of young men are actually Chads, hiding under the fat.
de-stigmatise male homosexuality and bisexuality. If even 1% more of men became actively Bi, this would reduce their availiability to women and their thirstiness.
De-stigmatise male virginity, and make it a virtue not a flaw. Teach the boys that for all means and purposes, their semen is the most precious substance on Earth, because squirting it into a woman can lead to a 250000 dollar investment (child suport or raising a kid). If you are a guy, its OK to not want sex, or not be comfortable with it, or be scared of impregnating the wrong person.
De-stigmatise, perfect, and practice reversible vasectomies to limit greately the number of unwanted pregnancies. This will limit the number of single moms raising kids: IMHO the main source of failed boys and entitled girls.
Should be already obvious, but teach boys to use condoms, destigmatise it, make it obvious, and atop of that de-stigmatise AND STATE SPONSOR abortions. No more unwanted fatherhood, EVER.
Lontgshot idea: it was throuwn around Manosphere a while, but: secular monk orders for Neckbeard men. We know for sure that whatever we do there wil be always at least 5% of men who are undateable, often suffering from great social anxiety, often also some mental disorders of asociality, ATOP on their very bad looks. Encourage these men to move in together into communal, "cloister-like" buildings where they would live together, doing intellectual work and following nerdy pursuits. Give them access to libido limiting drugs AND/OR a prostitute once a week.

MarianneThornberry · 2022-03-17T04:50:18+00:00

I am in the metaverse porn, girlfriend experience AI, sexbot, & sex work becoming legal, everywhere, and highly organized camp.

As said before even if all boys and men all dressed great, worked out, cooked, danced, worked with their hands, learned instruments, play sports, were well read, still.... in any room of 10 men and 10 women in a sexually deregulated market the women would almost mostly want the top 2 or 3 men with a few thinking number 4 or 5 in the room ok good enough.

Obvious-Rise9199 · 2022-03-16T21:19:13+00:00

Well since you brought up the private sector solution...

Do a better job marketing yourself. If you can't get the main stream, go niche. Be it Farmer's Only or FetLife. Stack the odds in your favor trying to appeal to the target market, not just screaming into the void of Match.com.

And if you want to steal my idea - Rip off Tinder by have it be for Socially Awkward Tech Workers who earn over $200K a year and the woman who love them.

TheJim66 · 2022-03-16T22:30:20+00:00

Simply stop using men's money to fund women.

Remove unfair divorce and child support laws, alimony,welfare, gender quotas, legalize financial abortion etc. Etc. This will make women prioritize stability over tingles and balance out the SMP.

Visible-Doughnut-782 · 2022-03-17T01:12:29+00:00

I know this question is directed at men but the “solution” is just as relevant for woman who may be able to obtain sex at the drop of a hat but complain about never being able to find a man that wants to commit to them.

If you are perpetually single( but genuinely don’t want to be) than you need to do what pretty much everybody says you never should:

LOWER YOUR UNREALISTIC STANDARDS.

It sounds trite but there really is somebody for everybody. The problem is not that nobody finds that dateless person attractive but that the person complaining about not being able to get a date is oblivious to all the people( and there are almost certainly many) that do find them attractive.

Men often complain about how internet dating and social media has given the “average” Woman an inflated ego and sense of entitlement because they can basically choose to sleep with men “out of their league” on a whim.

However what is not often mentioned is how the abundance of porn and social media in general has also given a lot of men a warped sense of sexual entitlement and unrealistic standards.

A lot of “average” men say all they want is an “average” woman. She doesn’t have to be a super model, she just needs to take care of herself ect… What they fail to acknowledge is the “average” woman( in the US at least) is actually verging on being obese. Not thick”. Not “curvy”. Not carrying a bit of extra weight but clinically obese. How many “average” men who complain about not getting any dates because they are not in the top 20 percent of guys are also actively pursuing clinically obese woman?

Just like Woman are wrong to hold men to the same attraction standards they have. I.E a woman shouldn’t expect to bag a rich guy just because they are rich themselves. Guys should not hold Woman to the same attraction standards as themselves. Just because a guy sees himself as a 6 on the looks scales doesn’t mean he should expect his partner to be a 6. Unless he’s also rich, high status ect… than he really should be aiming for a 3 or a 4(rather than his looks match) given she will still be able to gain sex from countless other guys out of her looks “league”.

Of course it’s human nature for people to feel they “deserve” to be paired with people of an “equal footing”. However nearly everybody has an inflated sense of self( especially in our social media driven age) and therefore an inability to accurately determine where the sit within the cynical realms of the sexual market place.

Barneysparky · 2022-03-17T02:17:45+00:00

Just a note about limiting swipes.

Tinder shows you who is in your radius.

If you see one young woman who catches your eye chances are she has a friend who also has Tinder installed who is also in your radius.

If I was a young woman and saw that a guy had swiped all of my friends also on the app do you think I would swipe back?

I have seen Tinder used in nightclubs by groups of young woman. I've seen first hang the conversation about the guy who swips on all of them.

Don't be that guy. Do you think they will catfight over you?

Ian_Campbell · 2022-03-17T06:49:56+00:00

Social standards, app regulations, defund uni critical theory and gender studies nonsense, give tax money to married couples, with more the younger they are. Take the money back from both if they get divorced.

Valoxity-_- · 2022-03-17T10:09:12+00:00

The sexbot arguments i see weird me out a lot like most men will never want a fake doll.

SDW137 · 2022-03-17T18:16:15+00:00

There is no effective solution that will work for everyone without also infringing on some people's rights. If online dating isn't working for someone, then that person needs to try meeting people in real life. Also, a lot of people of both genders need to either lower their standards, or else they're going to end up dying alone.

Katatonicsnake · 2022-03-17T18:31:31+00:00

Would it be so bad to accept that not everyone is cut out for dating several people in a year? Does it need to lead into depression and anger? Do people really need those swipes and validation? Some can have it, fine, be happy for them and maybe good things follow you. Some can’t have all the sex they want, some don’t even want to.

What is the problem we should even fix? Would a socially awkward man get more dates in another era? I don’t think so. Good-looking and successful people have always had more opportunities, it’s just more noticeable now. Everyone does deserve to be happy, but it’s not everyone else’s problem to make it happen. Relationships and sex aren’t socialism, no one owes you anything.

trail22 · 2022-03-17T20:48:13+00:00

Moremoney for men's for men's mental health then women. A societal push in attempt to decrease the incidence of rape for women to initiate dating and sex. A push for more money and scholarship money for men to be in college. A law that makes OLD companies publish Public information on all online dating sites about success rates, based on given information (Race, height, gender, messaging rate).

BlackberryUnfair6930 · 2022-03-18T17:34:31+00:00

Communism, this sub can fuck off and seeeeeethe, not gonna reply to any seething from the neocon and neolib pseudo-normies that post here either

JMoon33 · 2022-03-16T20:59:36+00:00

We need to promote a healthier lifestyle. Men (and women) who are active, have a healthy diet, have no addictions and manage their stress properly generally have no problem dating.

mextreme10 · 2022-03-16T21:54:46+00:00

Solution for men? Settle. Increase your value exponentially and target ONE woman within your means of sustaining her happiness for the longest period of time. It's the only thing that works in regards to relationships, because there are never any guaranteed outcomes regardless. All men can control is their capacity to increase their individual chances of success, and leverage that efficiently by settling down.

The only difference I see from the men who have versus the ones that are complaining online is their willingness to settle. This is what men have done for hundreds of years.

ruboyuri · 2022-03-16T21:27:49+00:00

The market is not stacked against men

It is the logical result of the disparity in sex drives and safety risk

back_in_blyat · 2022-03-16T22:46:08+00:00

I would love for a private sector solution to come around. I wish there was an app with a sufficient userbase, ie tinder/hinge/bumble, to offer an affordable premium service that involves real human employees using profiles in your area for formal matchmaking services. For example you paid $20 a month to go on a professionally matched blind date once a week or whatever frequency with a looks matched, vetted and background checked, and complimentary but still different enough to be interesting in personality/interest individual.

It benefits men because it bypasses some of the artificial hypergamy bullshit women get into as well as gets you face to face and not judged on your shitty photos, and it benefits women because it guarantees, or at least vastly improves feelings about safety, and really would filter for guys that want serious relationships and not have to do as much guesswork. It benefits everyone because it would also prevent legitimate cat fishing.

2022-03-17T04:32:51+00:00

My personal opinion is all of the will come to a head and there is a price to be paid. The problem is this “swipe” culture is still young and the generation that became adults (18) while the swipe apps came out are yet to really pay the price for it, and haven’t hit 30 yet.

Yes online dating existed prior to swipe dating but it wasn’t as easily accessible nor was it used by as much of a % of the population as it is today.

I am of the opinion that all things equal, and you take a man and woman who is successful and takes care of themselves fitness and health wise, over time the male will become more valuable and the female less as some of you have heard. Most men want a 25 yo woman vs a 35 yo given then choice. And the chances of a 35 yo woman having kids and being divorced is higher than the 25 yo. Which again causes a woman to lose value in the sexual market place. On an individual basis all humans have value. We aren’t talking about that.

So give it another 10 years or so, all the baggage from getting run through on these apps and having “fun”. Women are not like men. Sex does affect genders differently.

Where men will get hurt more, is the average man who has no idea of RP ideas, and I’m not saying I agree with all of them but many are spot on. Add to that working a minimum wage job and making average or less. These are the types that just won’t lock a woman down until they become the best option because the woman has lost value due to age and baggage.

So all that to say, the solution in my opinion will appear by itself in the damage it does to both male and female. Ideas that were sold to both and you wake up 10-15 years later and realize it was horse shit. That 8-9 chad banging a 4-5 chick bc he was desperate, you had no real chance with him and were nothing more than a lay. You don’t “deserve” the man or woman of your dreams and you will have to compromise. It’s a tough pill for many to swallow.

WorldController · 2022-03-17T01:12:07+00:00

That leaves social conditioning and education.

Indeed. I explain in my post in this sub titled "Are Beauty Standards Universal? What Cultural Anthropologists and Psychologists Have to Say on the Matter" that perceptions of beauty, which are among the most influential factors in contemporary sexual selection, are fundamentally cultural rather than biologically determined. The goal is therefore to eliminate these standards. As I stated here in response to someone cynically insisting that this is impossible:

Like all contemporary social problems—including poverty, crime, imperialist war, pollution, widespread disease, and even social inequalities like racism and sexism—beauty standards are ultimately rooted in our global, inegalitarian economic system of capitalism. It may be possible to eliminate these standards—whose vast sociohistorical variability proves that no particular ones are necessary—within the context of capitalism and prior to socialist revolution, but any failed attempts to do so certainly do not vindicate biodeterminist explanations for them.

The struggle of eliminating beauty standards; all other inegalitarian sexual preferences, which are likewise cultural; and establishing a society in which all people are equally and maximally sexually fulfilled is bound up with the international revolutionary socialist movement. Only through the abolition of global capitalism—that is, the wealthy's exploitation of the broad masses of humanity—and its replacement with socialism can we hope to guarantee the kind of society I describe below:

In an ideal society, people would indiscriminately engage each other sexually, regardless of superficial features including biological sex and appearance, for bonding and conflict resolution purposes. Only in such a society can everyone's maximal sexual fulfillment and psychosocial integration (which is necessary for general fulfillment) be achieved; this is also vital for overall societal integration, which our exceedingly fragmented society sorely needs.

Augustina496 · 2022-03-17T01:14:10+00:00

Be more actively involved in your interests. Do more events, volunteer, take/teach classes, visit social centres with a big gender mix (sports bars, music venues etc.)

Get out more.

WhoHasItMade · 2022-03-17T01:15:01+00:00

Move back to socially enforced monogamy. End hook-up culture via socialization. Also started socializing the end of the male provider role. Have egalitarian life partnership based on LTR friendly traits rather than hook-up culture and Dual Mating on the part of Women

Sea-Opportunity4683 · 2022-03-17T01:26:38+00:00

I think a huge issue that is constantly overlooked is that there are more ppl on earth than any time in history. Yet we still expect there to be comparable rates of relationships and marriages. As the numbers of ppl have risen, the numbers of “undesirable” people for dating/marriage have risen. So it’s not necessarily something that has a solution. That’s just my opinion.

As for solutions that could help with this problem, ppl with low SMV need to “glow up” in any way they possibly can. Lose weight, dress properly, hygiene and grooming, get educated in some way, and practice being more sociable/work on personality.

One of the only other solutions is for the government to take away the things that disincentivize marriage like terrible divorce laws and getting screwed on taxes. Give tax breaks for getting married and for each child you have (there are places that pay off school loans, help you buy vehicles, and pay for each child.) An necessary addition to this would be social conditioning to make marriage look more attractive to young ppl. Cause it’s a shit show, horror story that no one wants to be the staring role in right now.

But that’s assuming your government WANTS you to have a happy, healthy, growing society.

Saxonlover89 · 2022-03-17T06:12:48+00:00

I've no solutions, I'm out and no longer taking part in all this. I'm done.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2022-03-17T13:14:15+00:00

There is no solution. This is the sexual marketplace and it consists of individuals with individual motives, desires, preferences, etc.

If any man or any woman isn't getting what he or she wants in the sexual marketplace, the options are:

Upgrade yourself to have a higher quality pool of options;
Lower your preferences to have a wider pool of options;
Move locations to where your options may be more plentiful and/or of higher quality;
Stop looking for a relationship or genuine desire and just pay for sex when you need it; or
Stay celibate.

ApatheticHeretic_101 · 2022-03-17T14:13:48+00:00

Long story short...ditch the apps and meet people the old fashioned way...in person.

It's not easy. It never has been easy. It's not supposed to be easy. Getting to know people takes time and effort. An app makes you a product to place in a shopping cart. The old way really does work best. It's one thing to post that you like hiking, running, cycling, fishing, etc...It's quite another to go do those thi gs together on a date or activity. You can't exaggerate or lie about running pace, fishing lures, cycling distances or trails ...as you're doing them.

Same goes for any hobby you hope to share with someone. There's a value in that. You really can't "fake it, til you make it".

Good luck.

webernicke · 2022-03-17T15:06:15+00:00

Good question. Unfortunately sex is only a small part of it. I enjoyed servicing myself to porn as a young man as much as any sex I ever had. But the loniliness and damage to one's social standing from constantly being alone can't be fixed with a pill or occasional hookup.

Jusr off the top of my head:

Male fraternal organizations. Not the woman hating kind. But for social support, activities, bonding, ect.
Stop Stigmatizing Single Men. A man's relationship status should be treated the same as his race or sexuality. Teach understanding at a young age and shame people who express bigotry.

erjkbomm · 2022-03-17T15:54:50+00:00

Robot gf

2022-03-17T18:09:58+00:00

Maybe we just get rid of dating apps?

baresquad · 2022-03-16T20:54:48+00:00

Honestly. It’s nobody else’s responsibility to fix another persons dating issues and that also applies to the entire dating market

If a man feels left out what are the rest of us supposed to do?

These are solutions people gotta find themselves

Barely-moral · 2022-03-17T01:17:09+00:00

Replace women with technology. A technology that has no free will and no rights.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-03-17T00:48:02+00:00

The way I see it is this. There are many women men are lusting after. Despite all the criticisms you read about women here, the underlying message is this: men want these women, they are just bitter that they are not getting them.

On the other side, women find most men unattractive. So who is at fault here? Women because they have some unattainable standards OR men because they are not stepping up to the plate as men?

Personally I think the problem is wjth men, but they don't want to hear it and they don't want to take responsibility. The ironic thing is, if they did take responsibility, most of their dating problems would disappear.

So what is the solution? The solution is really simple. Men need to start liking themselves. Actually unconditionally like and love themselves the same way they want women to like them and love them. The issue is all men who struggle with love and sex, absolutely unequivocally hate themselves or have very low opinion of themselves. Yet, they expect that women should find them attractive and be interested although these men are not interested in or even like themselves at all.

2022-03-16T20:56:06+00:00

I'm big on market forces. Your only 2 choices are: 1) self improve / become more of what the market wants, or 2) search for someone who wants you as you are now. In practice, most people do a bit of both. But I still think people leave tons of money on the table in terms of maximizing their looks, and also maximizing their CHARM. How do you speak and carry yourself?

I would love to see a few corrections in market forces though. Right now, there are groups that seem to be unfairly disadvantaged for traits that can't be changed. Race is a big one. Short men is another example--tons of attractive short guys out there! I don't think attraction is 100% fixed and biologically determined. I think the images around us influence who we're attracted to.

Finally--I'd love to see the evidence on how dating has gotten harder than before because I'm not convinced that it's true. I think we tend to romanticize the past, but in reality the world is getting better for most people in it.

BlockedAgainIGuess · 2022-03-16T21:34:36+00:00

Shut down the internet. It’s just not worth it

2022-03-17T01:12:48+00:00

I frankly think the whole system of dating and relationships is broken and irreparable. Women are more apt to create an only fans account and sell themselves masturbating than actually try to date and build a relationship with a man. And most men are so tired of the double standards and BS, they would rather just masturbate to porn (and those only fans accounts) and not be bothered. Pretty soon we will all be dating robots and holograms anyway.

TheEternalGhost · 2022-03-16T21:27:41+00:00

What solutions would you guys suggest?

Just remove government-provided incentives that encourage a shift away from traditionalism. Being a single mother is something women should be desperate to avoid but (where I live and in many other countries) the government plays husband for these women and that's a shitty outcome.

flapperfemmefatale · 2022-03-16T23:45:20+00:00

Not sure this is a societal problem that requires a societal solution.

dres_sler · 2022-03-16T21:51:03+00:00

Break down the expected gender norms that men have, like women received.

sarkington · 2022-03-16T22:04:29+00:00

Improving our economic situation would encourage earlier marriage/childrearing. Hard to do during a pandemic.

AreOut · 2022-03-16T23:12:23+00:00

there is no solution, free market means 80% of women will flock to 20% of men and that's it

RealNiceLady · 2022-03-16T21:52:27+00:00

I see lots of posts here, describing how the current dating market is stacked against men, and more and more men are being "left out". Obviously, the rise in online dating has played a large part in this perception.

What solutions would you guys suggest

Honestly, guys being left out is only an issue for a small percentage of men. And truth be told, if they pursued ltr rather than casual sex, they wouldn't be left out.

LittleDragonMaiden · 2022-03-16T20:58:19+00:00

I propose that people stop using dating apps and focus on irl interactions. If you struggle to get a relationship in real life whether male or female, work on yourself physically and mentally. Be the best you can be, I think 80 percent of people can get a relationship if they just put in the effort to be the best version of themselves and to be the best partner they can be.

hhhhhhikkmvjjhj · 2022-03-16T21:38:03+00:00

Looking at research, what women look for as “must haves” in the west are in order 1 kindness, 2 good looks and 3 money/career. Setting realistic targets for me and support them in achieving them will help set them up for success statistically.

So if we want to raise boys into men who do well on dating market we should make them kind, fit and push more men into becoming leaders and have great academic careers etc in high status jobs. It’s good if men earn more than women from this perspective.

I think progressives are doing 1 but discouraging men to do 2 and 3. Red pillers etc are doin 2 and 3 to some degree while looking down on 1. But no one is doing all three at the same time.

We can’t do much about the dating apps it’s just what it is.

-ShesACarnival- · 2022-03-16T21:53:07+00:00

its up to individual men to fix their dating lot and the solution i propose for normal men is TRP and self improvement and learnign what women find attractive. if youre some really repulsive alien foreigner in the west whos having trouble dating in the open emancipated SMP or youre a fat unkempt veal shut in neckbeard with an autism diagnosis i dont know why you think theres going to be any "society" wide help for you

jsmooth3363 · 2022-03-17T01:17:32+00:00

On an individual level, I think men have to go against the grain for success. Although religion is declining, a man should attempt to find a woman who relies upon a value system of a higher order to be rooted in her decision making.

If she believes in something greater than herself and her feelings, she could be a candidate for a good mate. For this reason, I suggest men look for a woman in the church. She is more likely to have these values. Also, I tend to think that these women would likely value a nuclear family and a husband more than a woman who only relies upon her feelings as the compass and lifeline for a relationship.

I think this is the best base for a man to pursue with a woman as each would have something to answer to greater than themselves.

NEOKNlGHT · 2022-03-16T20:58:08+00:00

Modern culture is a disease. It's Sodom and Gomorrah on steroids. Modern culture heavily promotes narcissism and shallowness. The concepts of doing good for others and community spirit need to make a return. A movement which promotes these values need to rise. Maybe then people will be held more accountable by their local communities they will be less shallow, less spoiled and more down to earth.

Also, social media was a mistake and it would be the first thing I would ban if I had the power to do so.

ChangeFuzzy5595 · 2022-03-16T23:22:24+00:00

Legalise prostitution and make it easier for men to go the foreign route. Women are to good for most men here but there are other women who would give them a chance.

I don't get why women are against prostitution, I'm pretty sure all these repulsive men you hate so much would probably stick with that and drop out of the dating game and not bother you anymore.

I know I damn sure would, but if its still illegal than I guess women are just going to have to deal with us unwanted men.

Azihayya · 2022-03-16T22:21:48+00:00

I think guys need a healthy men's movement to become more responsible and emotionally healthy individuals that are capable of working through their life issues that are holding them back. Instead of playing video games all night, guys could be spending their time learning valuable skills that will make them more likely to meet women (who have been adapting to the twenty-first century brilliantly). Women simply don't feel safe around men because of their pornographic expectations and internalized misandry.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2022-03-17T01:08:48+00:00

As a fellow libertarian, here are my suggestions.

Decriminalize, deregulate and destigmatize pornography, sexbots, and prostitution. They may be imperfect substitutes but they help reduce male misery (even if only temporarily) and undermine the Pussy Cartel.
Ban affirmative action in education and the public subsidy of SJW/grievance ideology by all governments. If we are going to have public education, it must treat everyone equally (hence banning affirmative action), and it must also refrain from teaching unscientific ideology (hence banning SJWism/Grievance Studies...which are to the Social Sciences what Marxism is to Economics or Intelligent Design Theory is to Biology). This will help reduce credential inflation and the propagation of radical feminist ideology (which is one of the things undermining the relationships between the sexes).
Enact and enforce 100% gender-neutral laws regarding the dissolution of relationships, abolish common-law marriage, punish malicious false accusations of rape and abuse, defund DV/rape charities that use the Duluth Model (which is, again, discredited social science and even its founder admits so) and redirect the funding towards similarly situated charities that use gender-neutral frameworks. This is to reduce the potential exit costs men face in relationships, reduce the likelihood of malicious false accusations, and to help abused/raped men find help.

Prize-Thought-4205 · 2022-03-17T12:26:08+00:00

Yup girls worship hedonism and self destructive behaviors that damage their once beautiful bodies A LOT more than religion in the west at least, America and some European countries. Most have no conscious idea of what they are even doing, instead of preserving their value or sex appeal they rapidly destroy it after some guys got to use the shit out of their asses young. Why? Because they figure there are so many simps and weak men some guy will want them in the future anyway no matter what. Feminism has made men so weak and pathetic they would rather complain about girls than sleep with them irl, which is only possible to them if they think it’s easy & possible, which is only possible if they’re as mentally & physically strong, emotionally intelligent like they should be, it manifest itself into every single tiny interaction with women and they sense it like dogs smelling stuff from far away. It’s literal human nature and women’s second sense.

ace_w1zard · 2022-03-16T21:17:36+00:00

Meaning that there is a difference between sex and a relationship and many men want sex maybe an app that allows the free trade of services, not only sex, should be created so as to fill the void of sex modern men need. Modern men have less sex than prior generations and pay prostitutes less as well. The sex trade is the oldest profession in the book if an app that could liberalize and liberate the sex trade or maybe even revolutionize it could be created then the sex drought seen by so many men could be remedied.

The problems of inceldom are only seen in the West and in countries where sex work is illegal, prosecuted and/or lack a strong religious foundation. If you read the Bible it is filled with prostitutes and sex workers. Taking note of that silly fact an app that would make sex work easier and revolutionize the sex industry in a manner Uber revolutionized the transportation industry would solve this problem.

jasonology09 · 2022-03-17T02:27:36+00:00

Solution to what? As far as I can tell, dating is the same as it's always been, the tools and accessibility are just different.

My solution to the problem of OLD, would be to stop doing it. If you're not one of the genetically fortunate that can have success based on looks alone, why beat your head against the wall on a modality that is designed to work against you?

xcheshirecatxx · 2022-03-17T04:26:41+00:00

Men really need to raise their standards, not physically, but morally

Don't have sex with a woman who is pro choice for women but say men just have to get a vasectomy

I wouldn't risk being with a feminist at all actually

Don't be with a woman who is against FGM but wants to Circumcise sons she'd have

Don't be with a woman who can't pay her share

And don't even fuck them, because they might trick you to get pregnant

Think_gawd · 2022-03-17T13:40:14+00:00

The last time I proposed a solution in this shit sub it got removed. Unless your talking about trivial crap over and over and over again it’s not worthy of the slumping forehead brains that moderate this

Lateralanouncer · 2022-03-16T21:25:40+00:00

rollo tomassi has discussed this in depth and has written a book on the topic. Rational male religion. You actually sound like a rounded person. manosphere terminology trigger warning.

Yo_Mamas_azz · 2022-03-17T00:57:25+00:00

For western men, 3rdworldmax

Special-Armadillo-99 · 2022-03-17T16:12:00+00:00

No more welfare no more child support for women, a single women tax, affirmative action for men only no birth control no abortion no more no fault divorce

Make these changes and women would change their behavior very fast. No more safety net for their whoring around

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John_Oakman · 2022-03-16T21:03:15+00:00

Promote moral virtue and make meaningless martyrdom as something worthwhile, that'll at least take care of the LVM problem (or keep it out of sight and out of mind, so same thing).

caption291 · 2022-03-17T00:17:53+00:00

I think the easiest solution would be to start heavily shaming and pointing out Chad like behavior.

The reason I think it's a good strategy is simply because you can frame it as something you're doing for women and the victims are men so no one will care.

It's also something that's not going to be that hard to convince men of because currently I would describe the male population as a bomb just waiting for a reason to blow up.

legend0102 · 2022-03-17T03:49:09+00:00

Making it easier to meet people (women) in real life? I just don’t know how/where to meet people. And I’m not gonna go to a club or bar alone since I don’t have friends either.

I just need to meet women lol but can’t

Shredddz · 2022-03-17T11:33:17+00:00

the solution is to stop to the media propaganda that causes men to ne weak and women to be masculine, to accept the biological role with its advantages and disadvantages, to understand the difference in attraction and reproduction strategies for the sexes and have people act accordingly.

If men and women would not project how their biology works onto the opposite sex and instead learn how they function, what their reproduction/survival strategy is and stop the anti reality marxist media agenda which includes feminism, all problem that can be taken away would instantly be gone and everything would be perfect. Of course, the harsh truth is that most women and men need to settle to have atleast something of what they want out of live instead of having nothing, which means no sex for men because of being non masculine and no relationships because of women conflating men wanting to have sex with wanting a relationship, which for them is connected while for men its not. accepting and preserving value/becoming valuable and fully embracing the natural role.

shadyMFer · 2022-03-19T08:33:14+00:00

Legalize prostitution. Virtually eliminates inceldom overnight, while simultaneously introducing a lot more competition for the attention of less than attractive men. Low status women would immediately have to bring something to the table other than a fupa and the willingness to starfish. Legalize prostitution and the sexual marketplace would rebalance itself almost instantaneously.

throwaway316stunner · 2022-03-21T17:48:37+00:00

Money-back guarantees on paid apps.

Exciting_Phase_1665 · 2022-03-24T06:30:56+00:00

abolishing gender

vredditcocksucker · 2022-03-17T10:27:59+00:00

raep

2022-03-17T15:07:29+00:00

Solutions to what? Getting men more sex?

--education. Get every man a Red Pill education about male and female sexual natures and intersexual dynamics.

--remove all artificial "equalizers" on the sexes. Roll back and repeal all sex discrimination laws. Employers may discriminate in employment and hiring decisions based on sex. They are not required to discriminate, but such discrimination should not be prohibited. Remove FMLA, Equal Pay Act, and all other employment laws specifically enacted to benefit women.

--eliminate no-fault divorce, or limit and circumscribe it. If there is no-fault divorce, put conditions on it. One year nonwaivable separation. After that, the party filing for divorce forfeits child custody and alimony, and takes a lesser property division.

--other divorce reforms: Alimony limited to 2 years in all cases regardless of party position. At-fault parties in divorce forfeit child custody and alimony, and take a smaller property division. At fault breadwinners must pay the full 2 years of alimony.

M_LaSalle · 2022-03-17T04:34:58+00:00

That leaves social conditioning and education.

There are no actionable solutions. Given female hypergamy, large numbers of men are simply going to lose. Period, of story. For men...

You will not be saved dating courses

You will not be saved by time at the gym

You will not be saved by reading posts on the Red Pill sub

You will not be saved by learning day game

In fact, you will not be saved.

Men must do what they can to live as well as possible, be prepared to go their own way, live alone when they must, and enjoy love and sex if and where they can find it. They must avoid both false hope and despair. Both are temptations, and deadly sins

I have said elsewhere that in time a leader will appear who will speak to young men, and give them pride and pack, and sense of their own power. See recent events in South Korea for an example of what I am talking about. Without male investment civilization is not sustainable. In time, society's disfavoring of men will be addressed. It will have to be. I don't know how much baby will be thrown out with that tub of dirty bathwater.

Title	What solutions would you guys propose?
Author	Urbantexasguy
Upvotes	55
Comments	321
Date	March 16, 2022 8:40 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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