Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women?

Flightlessbirbz · 2025-01-10T19:51:14+00:00

1) Men are more visual than women, but that doesn’t mean women aren’t visual at all. The fact women find 80% of men unattractive in photos supports this, not disproves it. So does the fact that strip clubs with male performers are less common and often geared toward gay men as much or more than women. Women (and men) like what Luigi did, the fact he’s good looking has just gained him even more attention.

2) Tend to agree here. A lot of men have just decided their feelings are “logical” but everyone else‘s are objectively wrong and emotional.

3) Petty theft isn’t a violent crime. Women are definitely capable of violence, but men still commit far more violent crimes.

Downtown_Cat_1745 · 2025-01-10T18:29:33+00:00

It appears that you are taking the same characteristics and casting them as positive or neutral for men, and negative for women.

Men are more visual, because that’s just men, but women are more visual because they expect too much which victimizes men.

Men are logical, which is good because being logical is good, except when you’re a woman which is venal and awful. You should be more emotional and less cold about your unhappy marriage (and you should have chosen better, and divorcing a man is equal to rape)

Also, petty theft is the same as murder now

Makuta_Servaela · 2025-01-10T17:11:24+00:00

It's really hard to claim either men or women are more visual, since the parameters are (by nature) so subjective.

We also see how many women have sexualized Luigi Maglione because he is muscular.

I mean, he is conventionally attractive, and, presuming he even was the killer, he is seen as a vigilante standing up for the millions of people ruined by private health insurance companies, so it's not exactly rocket science to wonder why someone might find him attractive.

This is also rather subjective. People think that emotions and logic are mutually exclusive, or call logical things emotional and emotional things logical. For example, women are called great leaders, great at staying on top of things and organizing as an excuse to keep them in the home as SAHM, but are called terrible leaders and terrible at organizing and staying on top of things when they want to get careers. It's all just words used as excuses to discriminate.
Given that we are a sexually dimorphic species, with the males of our species specifically evolving traits that allow them to fight other males of our species (human males are notoriously quite a bit weaker and slower than even the primates that are smaller than us, or virtually every mammal of a similar mass), so pointing out that men are more violent is pretty much the same as pointing out that bucks are more likely to headbutt things than does are.

For your greater question, it's for two reasons: 1. To control people, and 2. Because we have only recently started actually researching women. Up until recently, women were considered "inferior men", and men were considered the default of the species. Ironic since we recently came to understand that females are the evolutionary default and males are the alternate.

HotOutcome9161 · 2025-01-10T17:18:43+00:00

Its crazy that you equate violence with petty theft.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-01-10T17:53:04+00:00

If women were as visual, erotica over porn would not be a thing.

The attraction disparity can be easily explained by the libido and physical safety disparities

Strip clubs are so overwhelmingly male-oriented that they do not even bother separating the industry by gender

Men commit 80% of violent crime

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-42/table-42.xls

Perfect-Resist5478 · 2025-01-10T18:07:15+00:00

There is a difference between being unattractive and being not attractive.
Attractive: objectively hot
not attractive: not objectively hot but not bad looking
unattractive: bad looking

This argument that women find 80% of men unattractive is bullshit. If we accept the number (which I don’t, but that’s a different argument), the question is “what percentage of men are not hot?” To which the answer would be 80%. That doesn’t mean that 80% are ugly, it just means they’re not objectively hot.

I think socialization has a lot to do with how men and women process and express emotion. I think women are more likely to initiate divorce because they’re less complacent with bad relationships.
You realize that petty crime is, by definition, not violent crime? You cannot use petty crime stats as a proxy for violence

CatallaxyRanch · 2025-01-10T17:14:31+00:00

Men are more visual than women. This one is not true, what proves it is the fact that 80% of women find men unattractive and this is proven due to the disparity in success in online dating.

No, this LITERALLY proves that it IS true. Men are less successful in online dating precisely because women do not respond to still photos of men the way men do to still photos of women. Women need more than pure visual stimulation to be interested.

The gap is shrinking and it is getting closer to 50/50, at least when it comes to petty theft.

Petty theft is a non violent crime.

SkinnerBoxBaddie · 2025-01-10T17:51:12+00:00

What is the attendance rate at male strip clubs vs. females? Women do go to strip clubs but it’s more often as a gag, bachelorette parties and the like where they also buy the bride dick lollipops and stuff. I feel like women are less likely to go there to get aroused. I also think women finding less men attractive would be evidence of them being less visual and needing very strong visual markers for attraction
Petty theft is not violent but you addressed this - your own source says the largest driver in the closing of the violence gap is the large decrease in violent crime convictions for men. This could mean men are less violent than they used to be or that convictions for violent crime are harder to secure. I’d assume a mix, but if it’s due to changes in the justice system that says less about the relative violence of men and women than presented here

Barneysparky · 2025-01-10T16:59:28+00:00

What does petty theft have to do with violence?

Women are less visual, hence why Playgirls readership ended up being men. They are not however blind.

PracticalControl2179 · 2025-01-10T17:26:56+00:00

https://archive.is/ZJymw#selection-305.0-683.306

Here is the OKCupid study. It is archived because OKCupid deleted the original.

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2/3 of male messages are only to the top 1/3 of women. Meanwhile, women are healthy and message men they ranked as less attractive anyway.

You know why?

Because women are less visual than men. Women would rather be with a guy who is less physically stunning who they get along with than a random hottie. We aren’t men.

RelativeYak7 · 2025-01-10T17:26:04+00:00

Look at crime and jail stats, who watches porn and who has a monthly period that causes emotions to fluctuate. Common now! We aren't the same and that's reality. The boys soccer team beat the Olympic women's soccer team. Physically and mentally we are different.

Unhappy_Offer_1822 · 2025-01-10T17:51:35+00:00

because these things are a lot more complex and cannot be determined by just one variable

most people dont like complex thinking or maybe are just not capable of it who knows so they need a simplified version that makes sense to them

ThatBitchA · 2025-01-10T18:05:26+00:00

Luigi isn't muscular! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Women aren't attracted to every man they see. I guess men are attracted to every woman they see. 🤷‍♂️ Seems sus.

Whoreasaurus_Rex · 2025-01-10T18:19:29+00:00

We also see how many women have sexualized Luigi Maglione because he is muscular.

It's not because he is muscular, FFS. It's because he is conviction driven.

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Salt_Mathematician24 · 2025-01-11T02:45:04+00:00

1) I think "women are less visual" is an oversimplification. I think women are visual and being attractive certainly opens a door for men, but visuals alone aren't enough to ignite a fierce, lustful attraction, it's part of the overall equation. Female sexuality tends to be lot more holistic, it requires more context. If the context needs have been met, then women can find the mere visual image of a man irresistible. An evolutionary feature, most likely.

2) The word "emotional" gets misused so often it isn't even funny. "Emotional" doesn't just mean an absence of logic and rationale, it's a preference for processing information, whether you prioritise your heart or your head in decisions. Whether you are more interested in people or things. But there are so many emotions that aren't considered strictly feminine - anger, insecurity, fear, indignation, disgust, outrage etc etc. Sometimes having a preference for emotional information processing can make you actually tougher in handling emotional situations in the long run, because you're practiced.

3) Testosterone is widely considered to increase aggression. However, the notable disparity in violent crime between men and women may be more socially-ingrained than merely biological.

Werevulvi · 2025-01-11T11:42:51+00:00

I think it's because: 1. Far more men than women watch porn a lot, or get addicted to it. Before videos, soft porn magazines where almost always targetting men. Historically it's usually been men who required their partner to look a certain way, while women were more concern with money and protection/safety from a partner. 2. Women are more likely to randomly cry and be vocal about how they feel, while men are more likely to remain level headed, except when angry. Yes this might be more so down to socialization than biology. 3. Statistically men commit some 90% of all violent crimes. I don't think most people think women are incapable of being violent, they're just generally less threatening when angry or upset, because women are generally not as physically strong.

Of course these are generalizations and not necessarily true for any specific individual just because they're male or female. But are they true as generalizations? I dunno, it depends on how you look at it, I suppose. But I get what people mean when they say these things.

Objective_Ad_6265 · 2025-01-11T19:32:30+00:00

Maybe women start more divorces because it was the man who cheated or was violent or did something wrong or neglects his wife... Women probably start divorces because it's mostly the man who creates the reason for a divorce.

RoseyButterflies · 2025-01-10T18:03:03+00:00

I mean technically women are more emotional, factually more women have mood disorders than men

But I agree with the other stuff.

Though Luigi is mid tbh.

Title	Why do we as a society make up these random fallacies about women?
Author	KyleKingman
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Date	January 10, 2025 4:49 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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