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[–]poppy_blu12 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I know trying to talk about sex to the sexually inexperienced is like trying to talk about art with people who have no artistic ability. But this obsession with “best” is ridiculous and seems to me to be one more strawman for you guys to hang your insecurities on.

It’s not a formula and it’s not something that can be figured out with a spreadsheet.

Sex isn’t like athletic or artistic ability. It isn’t something you’re born being good at or not good at. Any one can be good at it.

The “best” relationship sex is largely proportional to the quality of the relationship. When you’re happy, you share a bond and want to please your partner, you’re willing to do those things that make sex great — make time for it (duh), keep in shape, experiment, etc.

So sorry to disappoint the woe is me crowd here. You have no excuse for not being the best she ever had. None.

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I agree that in a promiscuous era, guys just need to get past this. If the sex is good enough with her, it's good enough. As you say, it is pretty tough to have a perfect metric for 'best'; and even if there were, chances are you are not hers and she is not yours. That is life in promiscuous times. Best to get over it and on with life.

That said, to be fair, it is generally women who evaluate, rate and rank men as sexual performers more than men do women. Now, given anatomical differences, there may be good reason for this asymmetry; but I would say men are just responding to this behavioral pattern in women, combined with the tendency of some women to indeed focus on the best of something they have had, and to view all else as lacking in comparison. There is some basis for the male insecurity here.

That said, I do agree that obsessing about this is misguided. It's a promiscuous time. Almost everyone has had a lot of partners, historically speaking. There are dangers to this, but what are you gonna do? Can't change the world. Trying to make sure you are a woman's absolute best sex partner is a fool's game.

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We started this conversation front the notion that men shouldn’t pursue relationships with women when they can’t be the “best” she ever had. And the point that her “best” is subjective and attainable to any man stands.

Now if you want to talk about women who aren’t good in bed, that could be a totally separate discussion. Do some women who are bad in bed because they don’t have experience and/or haven’t embraced their sexuality blame it on men? Absolutely. 100%.

But that isn’t what we’re talking about here. We are talking about mens perception that they themselves are inadequate compared to her previous partners.

If you want to do an OP on the flip side of mens frustrations with women being bad in bed and why, I’ll weigh in. (And no I’m not weighing in cause I suck in bed, so don’t even go there LOL)

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That said, to be fair, it is generally women who evaluate, rate and rank men as sexual performers more than men do women. Now, given anatomical differences, there may be good reason for this asymmetry; but I would say men are just responding to this behavioral pattern in women, combined with the tendency of some women to indeed focus on the best of something they have had, and to view all else as lacking in comparison. There is some basis for the male insecurity here.

usually i think ur pretty on the money or at least i value your opinion, and while i still do, this was kind of a cop out.

as drake infamously said “n*ggas talk more than bitches these days. Just let that shit sink in”

men are not these perfect non-gossipy, manly, whatever expectations y’all have of each other. men will definitely compare you to other women and tell you you’re the best they ever had and be crazy obsessed with you or tell their friends lots of shit about you. but you know what i found? men are pussies when it comes to emotions. they will not admit how much they love a woman or w/e because they’re scared of being bitches or “simps” or whatever. men care more socially about other men wayyy more than woman these days. and they compare partners.

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sex is not a priority for women. sex is not a priority for women. sex is not a priority for women. sex is not a priority for women. sex is not a priority for women.

we just don’t care as much as men do. i know i know. this is very surprising. but you know what? i spent a lot of mindful, open minded time in TRP. and i really recognized a lot. i had to ignore the “bitches/plates” and some of it was offensive, i also thought TRP was wayyyy more harsh than poppy has ever been, but it made me realize the game wasn’t that hard. i mean i’ve played it right since i’ve gotten relationships but it really made me realize how much i bring to the table by simply being myself and maybe exaggerating some of my qualities and being more approachable and approaching people.

dating isn’t as hard as these strategies make it out to be. everything is just fear. i suggest you go into FDS or any woman sub and literally just read what they’re saying maybe with a rose lens, like when you’re horny or after you see a heartfelt post about a girl being cute. you’ll realize how easy most women are and how much you don’t need to overthink it.

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i literally just told you how my average friend was basically a plate for a skinny, unattractive, short, broke guy. and the only 2 attributes he had were confident and in a fraternity. unless you’re literally ONLY aiming for 6+ and you’re below a 6. you’re intentionally dense. and if you’re intentionally dense and insecure in a conversation on the internet with a flirty woman who has never seen you, i cannot imagine how you are with irl partners.

yes, fake it ‘till you make it. you think i got a high salary by being the most perfect techie in the world when i’m so young? no. i networked my ass off, i used my charming personality, i up-played how teachable i am, and i had the basic requirements. and i had multiple interviews and offers waiting for me. it’s the same for dating. if you’re cold sending hundreds of applications where you meet the bare minimum requirements, yes, it will look bad. but you only need one yes. but if you are warm approaching, faking your confidence, and consistently getting your foot in the door with bare minimum requirements - you’re gonna get lots of play. and if you max out a few of those requirements and have some “nice to haves” you can aggressively negotiate.

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This stuff happens but only to guys above a certain level.

A friend of mine has a lot of dating success but he exclusively looks for signals of interest, like a woman hovering or checking him out, before making a move. He's always commenting about how "that girl across the bar just gave me the eye" etc. Yes he is perceptive and seizes opportunities but the opportunities are there because he's handsome and looks mid-20s in his mid-30s (good hair, good skin, etc).

I am a cold approacher at bars and not as good looking, and my volume approach simply does not stack up to him processing inbound interest. Furthermore if I reflect on the past year or so, more than half the prospects I got either messaged me first on an app or did the hover. In one case I approached a woman who was next to me at a concert, and her friends later told me that they had placed her there so that I would approach.

Walking across a room to open a woman who has given you no signal is just a weak strategy. It's better than nothing but not by much.

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You cannot have a large underclass of peons and expect to have a civilized, peaceful, and prosperous society the next decade.

If you dole out enough welfare, you can.

It has been my experience that if you give people just enough to live on without expecting labor in return, most will happily take that bargain and will do fuck-all with their lives.

Source: have spent most of my life in poor rural areas where a quarter of the population is drawing a disability check.

Edited to add: This is why you see some of the wealthy, like Yang, advocating for a UBI. It's not out of concern for the poor -- they hate us; they just want to avoid the pitchforks and torches, and taxing the slightly-less-than-destitute to give handouts to the destitute is the optimal way to do it (from their perspective). (The alternative -- paying higher wages so people can adequately support themselves -- costs them money.)

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So yeah, no.

but love is irrational! a leap of blind faith. People don't fall in love after meeting family, spending years together.

If you want to marry someone you need to have more than love, you need deep understanding and that takes time.

My point was that most people in love would do something like this. People can fall in love quite quickly.

even then I can’t say I’d do all that after 1 month.

oh ok, yeah some people will still be careful. I think I would be the same, but I have seen stupid shit people do after 1 month in love. Taking loans because you believe their life is in danger does not seem to be that much of a stretch.

he has “enemies” on our third date would have been nexted

byeee

I’d help them take a loan out in their name

But grid, I have enemies! if I use a credit card under my name, they will track me down and kill me! :(

Sorry mark. Those women were fools.

fools in love? rare fools? common fools? I just think most people are "fools" then. I wonder how many girls he tried this on and how many it worked. I bet it worked on almost every girl he matched with.

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You conveniently missed the "feminism has a stranglehold on gendered issues"

Who gives a shit? If a person lets feminism dictate their opinions, they’re sheep. I don't care for sheep. Have a mind of your own.

If you are the dominant gender advocacy group that demonizes any male advocacy

So? And SJWs are demonizing Joe Rogan as an evil misinformed racist, and yet he still has a following and support.

Kyle Rittenhouse was called an evil violent white supremacist by the mainstream but he was found not guilty of murder and is treated as a celebrity by conservatives.

Let me ask again, who gives a shit?

If men actually care about mem, they wouldn't let feminism hold them back. Feminism hasn't stopped the pro life movement and Feminism didn't stop Trump getting elected.

Spare me your excuses.

claiming to be for men's rights automatically gets you labeled a misogynist,

Pussies. They don't care about men if being called names make them piss their pants.

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Did you ever hear about the guy that tried to set up a battered men shelter who got bullied into suicide?

Why didn’t you have a support system to help him? Why was he the only one taking on this burden by himself? more proof of men not helping out other men, you guys have no problem exploiting tragic situations like his to shit on women.

It’s as bad as AOC exploiting her grandma’s situation to shit on Trump instead of being a good person and supporting her grandmother.

Or the original mens right activist who wanted child court changed but were called anti-women?

Me: Watching Rittenhouse being called a white supremacist by the mainstream media and the President, all demanding he go to jail for defending himself. I'm sorry, did you say? Somes pussies got upset they got called some bad names? Oh, okay. Me, going back to watching black people being called awful slave terms because they don't agree with certain policies.

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IT'S A BOY!!!!

Jewel calved this evening, a big bouncy bull calf. Black-and-white like a Holstein but has his daddy's white face. He sat up right away, was on his feet in less than an hour and nursing within 90 minutes (after the usual struggles to find the teat, lol). It's cold tonight so when he was dry we buttoned him into a nice new calf jacket that his human daddy had ordered from Amazon.

All in all, things went as well as possible, knock wood! Jewel is up and eating and fussing over her babe ... so glad she's a motherly cow (not all Holsteins are). Imgur

I named him Juno ... I know it's traditionally been a girl's name, but it has a masculine sound to me, and reflects his mom's name. Just seems to suit him! When the time comes, we'll make a little steer of him, and he'll get to live out his life with his mom and the rest of the herd.

Speaking of which ... "On the day I was born, all the nurses gathered 'round. They gazed through the wide windows at the joy they had found. The head nurse spoke up, said, 'Leave this one alone.' They could tell right away, I was bad to the bone ..." Imgur

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Indeed just reminded me that it's been two weeks since I applied for a job as a display horticulturist with a local public garden. The job posting indicated a degree in horticulture was required, but I applied anyway as the wage ($15/hr.) was low enough (actually less than I'm making as a custodian) that I figured there might be some wiggle room. I attached photos of a few of the gardens I've created over the years, stuff like Imgur and Imgur . Not to brag, but I'm really good at this -- I had a yard sale last year and people were blown away by my yard. One young lady stayed for nearly an hour asking me questions about everything; her husband finally dragged her off kicking and screaming, lol. (I think he saw his future writ large and was not at all happy about it.) I know I could do this job, and really kick ass at it, and love it.

Sadly I didn't even get called for an interview.

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Less than you would think, probably. If you enrich your soil to a high degree and select the right species, you can plant things very close together, which (along with a heavy application of mulch) greatly reduces weeds. (Wherever you have bare soil exposed to light, you will have weeds, so the idea is to reduce those factors as much as possible.)

The front yard I have now was a parking area for 20 years so the soil is too compact to grow in situ, and besides, the area is relatively small and thus is best suited to containers anyway ... hence Imgur. (That's only a small part of it, lol.) I water it daily with a water wand attached to a lightweight fabric hose (those things are ghodsend!) and it really doesn't take that long -- 20 minutes, tops, and virtually no weeding. The real work is in dragging everything out in spring then putting it all away for winter!

I do love my garden though.

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If you enrich your soil to a high degree and select the right species

My mom got her master gardener certification maybe 15 years ago. Her best friend at the time (sadly died of brain cancer since then) absolutely loved trilium and spent a jaw-dropping amount of money on various plants, the vast majority of which died.

The first time my mom visited us at our Ohio house, she was blown away at all the trilium we had, growing all over the place. I didn't have the slightest idea what they were until she told me, at which point I was like "But I don't do anything to them, I literally don't touch them, how are they growing here when Betty lavished them with all that time and attention and love and they didn't grow for her?" My mom replied that the single best thing you can do for any plant is to plant it where it wants to be. If you do that, 90% of your work is done. If you don't, there's not much you can do to make up for it.

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Worked 14 hours yesterday then spent two hours rejiggering gates to build a pen to keep Jewel in the barn until she has her calf. It had starting raining and I couldn't risk her dropping it somewhere in the mud. (No, she STILL hasn't calved, but if her bag gets any bigger, I swear it's gonna split down the middle!)

We didn't get home until almost 2 a.m. and we're both still sick, coughing up a storm, but at least I didn't have to lie awake all night worrying about the calf.

The snow is gone now and my yard is full of broken branches from the ice storm. What a mess! I haven't even started cleaning up, and today we have to shovel about four tons of muck to whip our feeding station back into shape. We've been setting round bales out in the field for the girls but now that the ice is melting, the mud is too deep ... can't risk getting the big tractor stuck.

I hope I am tough enough for my life.

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Great read… I’m quite self aware so I openly admit I’m at fault here. I’m shooting far out of my league. But the heart wants what it wants you know. I’d rather spend a few years changing my league rather than work on changing my expectations. But it’s hard to analyse oneself, we are always biased and it’s hard to be objective. My irl friends would know better…

Desire, greed, ambition, they provide motivation for growth. It is when you give up that you become realistic and aim “horizontally”.

It also doesn’t feel fair to date girls for experience. Just like trp says you should look for a girl who is fuck yeah to you, don’t you owe it to the girl that you are fuck yeah for her too?

There seems to be a double standard here where trp guys will date, fuck girls they are not that keen on and build experience, learn to become less of a “nice guy”.

I think the folks who say femcels don’t exist will be happy to use the relcel terminology.

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Part of it is definitely that they don't want to offend women. Same with race filters. Some traits have just been decided to be off limits for judgment and height isn't one of them.

But the other part is probably that they won't be as useful. Height is simple its just a single dimension and women know exactly what height they want.

Weight is more complicated and context dependent. What might be an acceptable weight for one height would be unnattractive for another height. Boob and butt size also factor in as well. Sure on the extreme you could probably filter out any woman over 180 - 200lbs but for anything else youd have to do compound filters on height and weight like for x height and bust size I want weights y - z and repeat for each height and bust size bracket. Its more complicated to program for the app developers and more complicated for the users to utilize.

What I really want is for Bumble and Hinge to release stats like OKCupid used to do. I would LOVE to see stats on where most women set their height parameters. I know it would be bad for business but damn would it be nice to see 😒

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there would be uproar and an exodus of female users

The exodus of female users would be the main reason. Those women are the product they’re selling, and they can’t sell anything if the women leave. Dating apps are already a massive sausage fest, and requiring weights would cause a runaway effect— if enough women leave due to a weight category, then the fewer remaining women will be deluged with dick pics and increasingly desperate men, so the skinny women will leave too.

Essentially, they need to cater to women if the app is going to have any appeal to men. Yeah, guys may often reject overweight women on an individual level, but they won’t even keep the app around at all if the women leave.

Edit: part of it is also that it’s harder to filter for an attractive figure. People don’t agree on what curvy, average, thin should mean, and weight or even BMI doesn’t really tell you if a woman’s figure is sexy or not. Like, a skinny woman with a thick waist and a weird shape might fit the measurement numbers for thin, but most men would find her unattractive. Likewise, a bunch of men would just filter for “under 100 pounds” because tons of men do not understand how weight scales with height and athleticism for women.

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That is a good question actually. Everyone is "unique" in trivial ways. But I said that because specifically in this context, I think I am reallyambitious in regards to a relationship. I am confident I can have an ok LTR. The average case scenario is actually not that bad.

But I want the holy grail. More than fulfillment in terms of career, personal growth etc I am motivated to get this working.

I experience limerance, so the highs of being in "love" with someone is a great drug. Not all guys feel it so intensely I think?

Reading a lot of books, anime, being too stuck in my head caused me to romanticize the idea of a relationship. So that inflates my expectations.

My educational attainments, looks, family background, intelligence, personality caused me to have an inflated idea of self worth (inflated because now I think I have a lot of personality flaws which lower my "true value")

I am definitely not neurotypical - aphantasia, maybe ASD, dyslexia, etc.

I have friends, loving family so emotional needs are met. Sex toys, VR headset, means sexually I don't feel that need strongly. I am resistent to peer pressure so overall I can take my time and maintain the standards. No pressure.

I think these things make my standards high rather than me being a guy. when people say girls have higher standards they typically mean in the context of casual relationships. I think any guy who values himself has high standards when it comes to serious commitment.

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it's funny because i know of a lot of guys of your profile. Self decreed (to whatever standard of accuracy) intellectual and lovers of superior degree, thus of understandly high standards... yet single and ranting on the internet.

Do you not realize how many of the women you complain of could also write many paragraphs on how they are special and unique? How they feel love strongly, how they are successful, how they are mentally complex. How they are ambitious with relationships and know they could have an ok LTR but shoot higher .

Yet they are criticized and you are special.

Obviously i would describe myself as all these things as well, yet finding a rewarding LTR despite my high standards was accomplished rather swiftly.

And this is not an attempt to criticize you as an individual, rather an observation of most men i talk to about this subject - they are rather hypocritical and egotistical but do not like when women are the same. Human nature, i suppose.

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yet single and ranting on the internet.

I rant? 😳 I usually approach topics on ppd from an academic perspective or just to troll.

high standards

You were trying to say men have high standards just like women. I thought you were talking about guys in general. If you mean "guys like you on the internet" then you might be right.

Like the only sense in which I say women have higher standards is in sense that hypergamy is real. I crush on many girls and it is not hard for me to find girls attractive. Women struggle to find men attractive, they are selective and thus naturally have higher standards.

Self decreed

I mean you could ask these guys if they have any external objective measures of their "superiority" - be it wealth, fame, degrees from reputable universities, career in top companies, lineage, etc.

You can't really trust folk online, it seems like LARPing is common. Then a lot of these external measures are falliable. Superiority is very domain specific. It is hard to generalize in anyway that matters.

women you complain of

lol which women did I complain about? I have consistenly praised women in my life. The last girl who rejected me was such a gem. We tried for like 6 months to make it work, but I was just me and she felt no "spark".

I aim to understand. I might complain about society, predict the future accurately but I don't complain against individuals be it men or women.

How they are ambitious with relationships and know they could have an ok LTR but shoot higher

That is exactly what all the HVW do. I mean I have talked about this before, lots of rich, smart, educated women are struggling exactly because of the same reason. They have high standards. I don't think they try to say they are unique. I was not trying to say I am atypical in a good way. My point was that I am not representative of men in general having high standards.

But when you say "women could write..." you are acting like they don't complain. It sucks for them too. I think it is way harder for them... because their ok LTR will be worse than my ok LTR. I can "compromise" on my standards and still find the girl attractive, and enjoy the relationship. But from what I understand that is not really a choice women can happily make.

Maybe due to lack of options, desire for kids, peer pressure, women might settle for guy or date "Down", but they are not really that happy. Women are not naturally this low libido, they want to have a fulfilling sex life too and sexual monogamy with a guy she is not attracted to is like torture. For both of them. Anyway my point is that this dating down idea is not something most men including me ever think.

Yet they are criticized and you are special.

Lol well I think I am special, and I can see the parallels you are trying to draw.

If I understand you correctly, these high performing women are ambitious, smart, educated, rich and have high standards for the men they want for LTRs. They are asked to lower standards if they want someone? Well that makes sense right because they are working on themselves in a direction that makes them feel fulfilled, gives them more indepdence and aligns with their values. This does not make them more attractive to the opposite gender.

If I say "I am such a honest guy, I am an open book, I am so explicit, I communicate in depth and with patience, I would not hurt a fly, I am so accomodating and nice; Why do these really pretty girls not like me." Then I deserve to be criticised too. If I want to get the "holy grail" of relationships I think I need to work on myself a lot, develop more emotional intelligence, be willing to take risk, be social, all that alpha stuff you hear about. If I don't put in that work then I will have to either lower standards or be single.

I am aware of that, and the point of criticising women might be to make them aware of that too. I would not want them wishing they knew much later in life. Older women should tell younger women, share experiences and give it to them straight.

I don't see any double standards here. Men can go their own way, it is a choice they take. Men can stay single, try to be happy. Men can lower "standards" with time. Women can do all of this too. People will of course share their opinions. People irl ask me to date more all the time. I don't think I am protected from people telling me I will die alone and unhappy due to my "standards". Both genders face peer pressure.

But my point is, you need to start high and then slowly lower it. You should not be desperate and LTR the first girl you see. Considering my age, experience with girls irl, I should take things slow and develop my standards with time so that I know what i want and what kind of person I am. It really matters to what extent and what parts of TRP are true. So I need to validate that with people in my culture. Culture modulates biological instincts to a large extent so yeah this is complicated.

a rewarding LTR despite my high standards was accomplished rather swiftly.

Hard to compare these things. You said "all these things" I think you mean being intellectual? there are so many aspects here to compare. Introversion is a far bigger penalty for men as compared to women. Men are way more forgiving than women and so we are not the same you and I

My culture has lots of obstacles in place in regard to dating and interactions between the genders. My standards might be far more unrealistic than your "high standards". I mean the proof is in the result. If you found a relationship easily and I did not, there must be a explanation for this fact.

they are rather hypocritical and egotistical but do not like when women are the same

egotistical I think I agree but hypocricy is a matter of being self consistent. I don't think it makes sense to expect the same rules to apply to different people. I don't value equality to the extent that I would call most guys like me "hypocritical".

“Universal law is for lackeys, context is for kings”

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points i condede:

you're not a woman blamer/hater type, you're indeed a societal and behavior criticism type
PPD/internet men are not representative of average men

I mean you could ask these guys if they have any external objective measures of their "superiority"

Some do, some don't.

I guess the question i have now is how the average PPD or internet guy would react to HVW having high standards and complaining about not being able to find a man to match her standard

But when you say "women could write..." you are acting like they don't complain

tbh i have yet to encounter a HVW who cannot find a LTR. I'm sure they would complain if they couldn't but i haven't personally encountered one in that position.

follow up; considering what you are saying, it seems Indian women are not that different from western women. How do you react to all the western guys saying they will go get an easy bride in Asia?

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the average PPD or internet guy would react to HVW having high standards and complaining about not being able to find a man to match her standard

They would feel happy, it is a revenge fantasy for them. I bet a lot of these guys watch kevin for that buy a dog and die alone meme

They would think these HVW are not really high value. They focused their energy into growth in areas that do not raise their SMV or RMV. So they have no one but themselves to blame.

encounter a HVW who cannot find a LTR

I mean if you mean HVW in a holistic sense - high Relationship Market place Value. I highly doubt any of them would struggle.

But I was thinking HVW in terms of the kind of girls who use such terms, they are not humble, they are entitled, rich, educated, independent, masculine, so high value in the sense they have fame, wealth, confidence, and other markers of success. I don't know many of these irl, but yeah my culture puts a LOT of pressure on girls to marry so only a few manage to stand up to it.

But I have read articles about educated, rich women struggling to find a guy to marry. So I think it is a thing.

it seems Indian women are not that different from western women. How do you react to all the western guys saying they will go get an easy bride in Asia?

Indian educated women in cities are basically like western women. That is why ppd/trp is something I can relate to, use and understand.

I mean I hope these guys understand the challenges. Even in India, I can't easily marry 80% of the girls here. Just because of endogamy. Allmost all traditional girls here marry within their community.

If you want to get a girl to love you and marry you, she will likely be educated, independent enough to stand up to peer pressure and thus also a passionate feminist.

But it is like 2nd wave feminism here so that won't be that bad of an issue. Everything is relative, so even if I say "independent" that is relative to the traditional girls, they will be way more feminine compared to western women.

Locationmaxxing is a real thing, I have american friends who find average indian girls super attractive due to exotic effect and vice versa.

I like interacial kids, genetically the kids have an advantage due to the mix of dissimilar genes. The challenges will be cultural, trad expectations, communication issues, etc.

I don't think most of these guys plan to pick India. haha sadly we have a bad reputation I think? I have never heard of a guy planning to travel here for bride hunting. Eastern europe is there, thailand and SE asia is there.

Personally it kinda sucks for men here who will have less women to compete over. We already losing talent to the west, it will suck if we lose pretty girls too.

Yeah that sums up my thoughts, if you want trad leaning girls India has them but if you bring her over to USA, she will go to rad feminism extreme because of how much she was restricted back here. Given a taste of freedom I have seen girls really let loose, have their "hoe" phase as a form of rebellion against parents.

If these guys plan to settle in India and live here. That takes a lot of adjusting, road quality, traffic, value system, corruption, pollution, infrastructure quality, lack of privacy, gossiping etc, it is all tradeoffs at the end of the day. You pick your poison.

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a woman who is high value in the economic market is not high value in the dating market.

I think it helps... only stupid guys will not consider at all. But it is way lower on the priority ladder.

It also depends on the guy. I want family, kids so I kinda prefer girls who are not that ambitious and wants to be a SAHM. So our goals align.

I have friends who do not wants kids for sure. They are scared of marrying then if baby fever hits the lady, they would rather get a vasectomy. Anyway for these guys they want a wealthy girl, she should pull her weight, earn a lot to provide stability.

But that is all RMV, not SMV. Economic market value increases men's SMV in a way that it does not affect women's SMV.

Should they prioritize their economic or dating value?

Yeah I kinda struggle with this question too. I have female friends who ask me advice, my sister loves me and takes my advice really seriously.

So I have given it some thought. I think it comes down to your goals and priorities. If you have a passion, if you love your job then you should prioritize economic value independent of how it affects your "value" in dating. If your family is poor, even then it is important to focus on finances.

If you work for money, if your family is well off, if your partner can support the entire household. I think most women can find a lot of happiness and fulfillment from having kids, raising a family. The competitive environment at work is not good for people with an aggreeable personaility. So this advice applies to men too, they should not pick careers where they are unhappy and uncomfortable.

I think both genders should focus on dating value after you hit the point of diminishing returns on economic value. Material toys get boring fast. After a certain income level you can just get "faster" cars, shinier versions of the same thing, maybe travel? new experience. But the return on investment from relationships is a lot more. Be it romantic, friendship or family.

So yeah depends on the context, you can balance both.

Also i edited my last comment to add a follow up question, could you please take a look

cool lemme edit my answer.

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Yeah, looking back it was because I was emotionally abusive.

I remember one conversation in particular. I was 17, the girl I was dating was 15. I had sex one time, she had been with one guy but multiple times.

I asked how long they dated before they had sex and she said 9 months and I said, "you’re really going to make me wait 9 months? I’m basically wasting my time"

I didn’t realize how awful that was at the time, so yeah, my lack of sex until I realized at 21 that I need to be nicer and more patient was entirely my fault.

I’m in a relationship now, I’m working through my emotional issues and trying to be better at being faithful, but idk I feel like I missed out on an essential phase of my life and I’ll never get that time back.

I’m a lot more emotionally stable now though

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Some guys have an issue with "alpha widowed" girls right? You would not want a girl who admits that her ex had a bigger dick than you or was better than you in bed?

Would you mind dating a girl who dated tall guys but now she says she likes you and you are shorter than her. Would you think she was similarly "alpha widowed" due to height?

Because fundamentally this is about comparison right? you don't want to be compared and come up short. Isn't that inevitable that if the girl you go into an LTR with has dated even a few guys, you can't beat all those guys in ALL areas. Financially, height, dick size, humor. In many areas you will come up short. But you can still believe that overall you beat all of them. Or that she cant do better than you right now cause she is also older.

So I think some traits are very important to you, you would not mind if her ex beat you financially but someone sexual prowess is personal and you want to be her best in that narrow aspect. Is there any other narrow aspect where you feel competitive like height?

[–]WilliamWyattD5 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There are two different, but related dynamics going on here.

The first is more constrained. Alpha widowing is all about the woman. It means that some experience with a prior guy has radically altered her ability to be sexually and romantically attracted to any future guy that doesn't meet of exceed his level. Any one or combination of 'alpha' traits can alpha widow a girl, depending on the girl.

The second dynamic has to do with a guy wanting to be a woman's absolute best. But this is different. This is about him, and not her. He finds it emasculating to imagine that his woman has been with another guy that she found more attractive, or with whom she found sex more pleasurable, etc. Sure, some of these guys who want to be her best are basically just worried that if he is not, then she might be an Alpha Widow. But in general, even if God came down and told them that she was not alpha widowed, they would still want to be her best because it is more about the guy's feelings than the woman's.

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If you are insecure about someone leaving you or abandoning you, it’s important to distinguish between it being based on some irrational fear or if it’s rational and likely.

Statistics seem to support it’s likely. So then this insecurity is a reaction to seeing men around them being heartbroken after a breakup. So the solution here isn’t to “stop the insecurity” by working on himself.

It’s to understand what causes women to abandon men, why relationships break down and ensure that it doesn’t happen. If you have a robust model for women, you will know how to keep her happy, attracted to you and you can also model yourself so you know what you need from her for her to stay attracted to her so both of you are happy.

It’s not “manipulation” if you use this model for goals that are shared by the both of you. All of us have implicit models of people we love in our heads and we try to affect them when we communicate. It’s not automatically “manipulative”.

[–]edgyny1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Why relationships break down is actually quite a different topic than fearing women abandoning you. The woman abandoning the relationship is merely one way a relationship can fail. In fact guys can find themselves in failed relationships where the woman does not abandon him.

And yes, communication is a good (if not the best) way to maintain a functional mutually-beneficial relationship. Another advantage of using communication is that it's direct and doesn't even need any modeling. One pretty simple model just assumes the other is an intelligent agent with it's own goals and secrets but capable of introspection and thought. Communication is so effective that it just casually creeped into your response.

But no amount of good behavior is going to prevent someone from cheating on you or from dumping you. It's folly to think that you can have that level of control over another. And I actually do consider that to be manipulative (particularly if it's unspoken) but you're free to disagree. There is a fine line to be drawn between negotiations and coercion. It's one thing to ask your partner not to do something because it makes you feel a certain way and you wish them to respect your feelings. It's something completely different to cause them to not do something in order for you to avoid feeling a certain way.

It's pretty easy to recognize that wanting to be someone's best is wanting a form of power that can be used to manipulate and coerce. People who want to be the best want that power over the other. What they are truly seeking is the power to control the other's behavior.

[–]Mark_Freed2 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You definitely need to model the person to communicate. It’s because you are neurotypical that you take it for granted. People who are autistic are aware of the difficulties in knowing how to appropriately package information to make it palatable.

Depending on the context, the person, the relationships, the mood, you need to read a lot of non verbal cues and change the way you communicate. People do this without being aware of how they manage it. Knowing how to console someone who is grieving. Knowing how to communicate your discomfort, offer constructive criticism. It’s very easy to come across as rude, uncaring, socially awkward, dense, etc.

There are many ways to communicate incorrectly and only a few that will achieve the desire goal of setting up emotions. See we aren’t robots, we don’t communicate by merely transferring information, we provoke emotions in the other person, we read their emotional and mental state and we help regulate it.

Well it depends on why someone cheats or you or dumping you. I don’t know why you are so sure “appropriate” behaviour wouldn’t have changed the outcome. It’s likely to have played a significant role in the relationship. You seems to have modelled people in such a way that their decision to cheat is independent of their experience in that relationship which makes no sense. I can clearly see a causal relationship.

Yeah I disagree. I think manipulation has a negative connotation and should be used in cases where you have selfish motives and try to overly pressure the person to taking actions that don’t align with their internal value system.

But rather than definitions it’s better to use concrete examples so I understand what exactly we are disagreeing on. If I model women as being attracted to alpha traits and in order to ensure she stays attracted to me, if I try to change in a way that maximises those traits. Did I “manipulate” her? She wants to be attracted to me. So this is not manipulation.

Manipulation is if you ask her to have kids, knowing she doesn’t want to have kids you emotionally blackmail her, threaten to leave her, ask her if she doesn’t love me. It’s when you don’t respect that persons value system and desires and instead you force your decision on her.

When you friends praise you, shame you, give you respect, when your parents are disappointed in you, when society gives you fame, when you lose reputation. All these are ways in which other people exert power over you. They communicate their feelings and it affects your actions. This control isn’t automatically “unethical”. It’s also not coercion and using these negative words doesn’t change the reality that it’s a crucial part of how we cooperate as a species.

The idea of negotiation itself is about using leverage that you have. All this is just uncomfortable for people to admit. It’s all kept underneath our conscious awareness. It becomes ugly when we realise our decisions are just a weighted sum of all the pressures on us. It becomes hard to take ownership of our decision. If you overly value a single persons opinions, you give them power over you and them they can “control” you. But in most of our cases, it’s not a single person but a combination of factors, including other people, environment, memories, mood, value system, etc.

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Np:) and I think it’s good that your trying to improve yourself, I can sorta understand the struggle. I grew up in a small town in northern Ontario, so we didn’t really hear much things about being gay and the only thing people ever really thought ab autism as was the kids that had an intellectual disability and/or needed help in everyday life (people like me would typically try to hide their autism because of the negative beliefs around them). Now, difference is for me it caused me to be very angry and hate myself internally (although I used to say some pretty horrible stuff too). Thanks for supporting the baseball thing, it really means a lot to some of us, especially for the people in the community that wouldn’t be able to do these types of things otherwise, so I really appreciate it.

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What kind of baseline? high n count? I don't care, if anything their pervasiveness is in that they approve but still argue that she will betray me or something.

Social proof among women is really really high, I might even argue this is the #1 worst thing in the PPD existential debate, so many women pick men specifically because they want to show off to their female friends, attractiveness is no longer defined by the individual but by her inner circle and that makes 95/5 start to make a lot more sense.

I know of a stunning girl that she did not really care that much about height (her boyfriend was short and she was 5'4) but when I was flirting with her she said about my height and I quote "it made her tall friends angry that she was taking their men" This is why heightism is real despite the protestations here.

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Look we can conduct experiments, there are cultures where thick women are considered attractive, cultures where tattoos aren’t cool or attractive.

Men can go live in a different country and not adopt the local idea of what is attractive. Girls seem to be more susceptible to peer pressure and their idea of what is attractive is shaped a lot by what others around them believe.

Men go for more objective measures. I think these ideas are shaped when they grow up and then it has a lot of intertia.

Girls would share the details about her boyfriends to her girl friends and care a lot about their inputs. Guys are able to laugh off any criticism and not let it affect the attraction they feel. They are confident in their choice. In fact a lot of times, I’ve seen guys who are happy to hear other guys rate the girl lower. In his head it means that she is lucky to have him since most guys won’t desire her like he can. There is also less fear of losing her.

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Look at their life track and their values and see if they're the same. A 50 year old working paycheck to paycheck with grown kids is the same as a 60 year old paycheck to paycheck with grown kids. That's close enough. A 21 who wants a traditional family and motherhood is NOT the same as a grown, balding man who put off making a family for 29 years so he could screw various women. Way different values. A 23 year old working at the dinner who is almost graduating university is NOT the same as a 25 year old at the same diner who hasn't begun a career plan yet at all. These are fairly obvious things that people should look at in most relationships, but young and innocent and naive people can unfortunately miss the obvious. Say the 25 year old is a waitress who believes her 23 year old coworker is planning to stay with her forever. Well, I believe her friends should warn her to think twice, because clearly that 23 year old young man is ambitious and he is likely to go anywhere his career takes him. I wouldn't advise her to up and leave her family, if she has no savings and might need the support eventually. 2 people making big moves across the world, for example, should both be able to care for themselves- not just 1 party. A sad reality of the world we live in, love does NOT conquer all.

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It's not exactly the same- but if people are making big moves together, they should plan to be at the same stage sooner or later. I graduated significantly after my husband, but we both had a willingness to provide equally in that time. We had a time frame where we would stay in the same place, or even do long distance- but the distance had an end date. My husband got a job in LA ultimately, so I went with him. I have my own career plan in LA. We don't earn exact the same, but we do earn enough to support a lifestyle we agree on. We both want to live in SoCal. I do think education and intelligence are important because people need to be able to make financial decisions and childrearing decisions together, with the same level of capability/foundation. If people are making those big decisions, yeah I think they should be equal enough and both equally on board at least. Don't you?

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The IQ test is much more standardized than almost all tests; we use it in the army to determine jobs. Your argument allows you to handwave virtually any difference due to possible "social influence"; it's not a strong one.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3175680

People and researchers tend to reject data that doesn't support supposedly disenfranchised groups (like women). And, thus, I can reject your rejection.

Regardless, whether there is "social influence", the gap still exists between men and women despite the feminist movement and advantages women have received in school (receiving higher grades for the same work) and employment opportunities. Men for all intents and purposes are better than women in this area, and, thus, shouldn't be punished for their superiority. Again, there is no reason for women to be more greatly represented in education and prioritized 2:1 in STEM hiring.

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as the study says at the end, we need better and more sample sizes. while the study says it tries to account for everything, it’s literally saying “most studies we’re doing everything we think we can to not be bias, but this scientist says we’re biased”. on a median level, there’s typically no difference which means there may be men skewing these studies as they do tend to be more intelligent.

encyclopedia reference

and many other studies have showed more variety where men make up majority of both sides of the spectrum.

https://www.science.org/content/article/study-finds-some-significant-differences-brains-men-and-women

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240323443_Sex_Differences_in_Variability_in_General_Intelligence_A_New_Look_at_the_Old_Question

further more, we need more balanced studies and measures of intelligence as its very clear our brains work differently.

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If there’s one thing that will make me lose my cool it’s actual toxic masculinity. No, not the man hating version of it where “telling men to have short hair is evil boo hoo”. I’m talking about encouraging toxic behavior as a way to be “manly”.

Encouraging antagonistic behavior, giving “harsh truths”, claiming “sharing your emotions make you weak”, encouraging this obsession with sex, mocking men’s masculinity over liking feminine things, etc.

Worst of all, when that shit turns so many boys insecure, emotionally constipated, socially inept, and just lonely, it magically becomes women’s fault “how dare you not want to fuck him”? Fucking disgusts me.

The primary people who fail boys are men themselves we’re having such a toxic crab mentality and they want to blame it on the opposite gender.

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They do well with the vast majority of women. The world is not a just place, there is no karma. The bully does not get beat up in the end.

Being manly is attractive to woman for hard wired evolutionary reasons.

Also don't forget that men and woman are different. What woman like to call toxic masculinity because it doesn't jive with the way they are is actually things that men like being and suits them well.

Of course we are talking generalizations here, so exceptions gradients, spectrums and all that.

Going around just “telling it like it is” is needlessly antagonistic and a sign of lack of social grace.

What you are talking about is someone who just uses that to be an asshole to random people and say shit to make them feel bad because he or she is mean.

Harsh truths are necessary for when someone is struggling and asks for your advice, not emotional support. They are also needed for something like the red pill where people go to read uncomfortable truths that will give them a better understanding of the world and make them more successful.

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They do well with the vast majority of women.

Then they’re a ted buddy type, which is not as coming as you guys think they are.
He’s not toxic.

Like I said, most toxic people do not do well with non-toxic people.

Being manly is attractive to woman

The actual definition of masculinity is too varied across people to really agree on. people are telling me that K pop stars are masculine and I'm like “Uh, no”.

What woman like to call toxic masculinity

I defined it as a toxic person with examples of the toxic behavior.

What you are talking about is someone who just uses that to be an asshole

An example of the toxic behavior I’m talking about. Oh, they’re not an asshole, they’re “telling the truth and only women and pussies coddle each other”.

Who the fuck willingly wants to put up with a mean person like that? Someone who is just as mean or has psychological problems.

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That toxic behavior has nothing to do with masculinity. Verbal attacks and cut downs are typically feminine behavior.

A lot of guys here, particularly incels are very feminine in their behavior and in their sexual attitudes as well. They whine about fairness all the time instead of taking what the need in life. they expect other people to solve their problems, they want to be listened to and empathized with instead of told how they can actually fix their problems. They expect the other party (women) to ask them out and shoulder the romantic labor and risk of rejection. they want to be loved just for existing not for anything of value that they do. They even want the woman to initiate and lead sex. They are allergic to taking action, taking risks, pain, effort, having anyone criticize them or get upset at them. They believe that society should solve their problems and provide for all their wants rather than fighting for them on a personal basis.

Their problem is toxic femininity.

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In response to the edits:

Yeah the internet selects for and concentrates passive aggressive bitchy behavior. The guys I know in real life behave nothing like redditers and even less like incels.

However, gender role enforcement by both sexes is an adaptive behavior. The FSM ruthlessly cuts down woman who don't conform. The same way that men will mock and attack guys who don't conform to the male role. In an evolutionary sense it makes a lot of sense since tribes whose members did not fulfill their gender roles soon were crushed by tribes that did.

If the warriors of your tribe want to cry and discuss their feelings passively while the enemy tribe is raping and pillaging your people, you tribe will soon be an evolutionary dead end.

A lot of that is still left over in people's genetic programming to this day. However you can see that when things get safe and prosperous for too many generations those traits start to decline which leads to the eventual destruction of that society.

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Ah, so now we’re redefining what toxic masculinity, even though plenty of rapists also have the “I don't care what you want, I care what gets me laid. It's just unreasonable to expect us to abandon behavior which does get us laid.” mentality.

Wow fuck I just realized how awful that sounds... I'm changing it into “I don't care what you want, I care what makes your pussy moist" =D

And by the way we had never defined what toxic masculinity really means. Some people consider that masculinity itself is toxic, for me toxic masculinity is all about actually destroying our feminite traits, not hiding them but destroying them.

It is toxic masculinity because it’s the result of teaching men that women are their possessions to sell and buy.

Dude if only way to get myself a wifey is to buy one, then I HAVE to buy a woman or stay single.

Do not think that men are found of said concept.

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Dude, listen. I am v and almost same age, so we are in a similar situation.

Don't worry about it.

What matters is being your hottest version of your self.

Go to the gym, get muscles, reach a low % body fat, skincare, work around your hair and what hairstyles fit you, outfits etc.

What kind of niche you think you could fit or what you want to be. For example: alt dude, slightly gothic etc.

Getting a gf isn't hard.

Sleeping around isn't impossible if you are willing to dumpster dive woman below 2 points of lower over you SMV.

But you have to be your hottest, the rest will come itself as long as you have a somewhat extrovert life and I say this as a shut in introvert who is trying to change.

If you have any questions, ask me as I am in the Way of the Chad and I think I could help you bro.

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My issue is this belief that men should be happy in the face of their struggles

If the only struggle a man has is his dick not getting sucked, he’s extremely privleged. Meanwhile, I have to bury a male cousin of mine after he was suffering from stage 4 cancer for 5 years. Im pretty he wasnt worried about not getting the sex he wanted in that time.

while women are easily able to find partners.

Again, jealousy only makes you look worse, not better.

you’re ok with being at the bottom.

If a dude is only concerned about getting his dick wet, yeah he is at the bottom because he doesn’t have anything to his personality other than he’s desperate for pussy and he’s jealous of other people.

Most men at the bottom arent “losers” because they can’t get laid, they’re at the bottom because they’re socially inept and creepy.

At least the red pill gives guys a chance to rise up

Most people think red pillers are creeps who take advantage of socially awkward men.

No woman is getting wet over hearing about alphas and betas.

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Aren't we already seeing this pattern? The number of FA men are increasing.

There's optimist, pessimists and realists.

The reality of the situation is that more and more men are doomed to live a life without love and companionship. The raw statistics are bearing this reality.

Now, we can dig into the WHY this reality is happening and come up with all kinds of reasons, and it's possible that we would find a growing abundance of low T, high anxiety and depression among young men, but I don't see that happening any time soon. Incels have been judged by feminists as non-human and definitely don't deserve any resources allocated to the male loneliness epidemic. It's just "Misogynistic man children living in their mothers basement" to them. And as long as women are being mansplained to, by god feminists need every dollar they can scam out of women to fight the patriarchy!!

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Forever Alone.

No, I don't think most women are evil, mustache twirling villains looking at how best to stick it to men.

Women want what they want. You can't negotiate attraction and if she's not attracted to you then she's not attracted to you. There's nothing evil or nefarious about that.

For all the ugly guys that women claim "you'll find someone someday", well, that someone sure isn't going to be her, is it?

She isn't being evil by not entering a relationship to a man she isn't attracted to. She just not attracted to him.

It's just the unintended consequences of women sexual liberation. Women find a far fewer pool of men attractive and are far more selective than men about who they will enter into relationships with.

Many women would rather be alone than be with a man she's not attracted to, which leaves a lot of men alone.

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Do you think a society that is constantly titillating us with digital imagery of beautiful people and sexual situations makes it hard for a guy to just turn off the sex drive when it would be beneficial to do so?

Or that a society that increasingly links male appearance and sexual success to status makes it hard for a guy to turn off the sex drive but meet his status needs in a non-sexual environment?

Think of times past when an unattractive man in his 30s could just decide to be a bachelor for life, and could live and work in an all male environment. He could be highly esteemed there, often high up in the local dominance hierarchy in say a university or law firm or whatever. His being short or fat or ugly really didn't come up or get held against him much so long as he stayed with the borders of that world.

Arguably, men have much stronger status and sex drives. Now it seems, if your are an unattractive man, it is harder to turn off the libido while finding position and esteem.

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No. The point is that as women's natural levels of sexual selectivity and hypergamy are able to manifest, with women being freed from being coerced into sexual relationships with men they find unattractive based on economic need, then more men will end up without romantic partners. As a result, female sexual leverage will increase.

That is fine if this is all limited to the sexual marketplace, but such power and influence has a way of working its way into other spheres, granting women an overall influence advantage that might grow and grow.

On the other hand, the counterargument is "so what? Why is a world where women have more influence than men any worse than when men had more than women? Where were the men complaining then? Technology evolves. Humans adapt. We can't plan it out or even control it that much. Whatever happens happens. Nature doesn't do perfect equality, and maybe sometimes men have an advantage and sometimes women do. Can't change it. Just adapt as an individual and live your life."

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What do you think about free will? Do you think determinism is compatible with it?

I don’t think individuals have a lot of freedom to “change” their mind at the last second. Our decisions are not made by our conscious awareness rather factors like genes, memories, have already made the decision for us.

Any important decision we make is predictable because it reflects who we are, our values, our desires. People who know us deeply will be able to predict how we would act in a situation, it’s a test of our character. So I always struggle with people putting the locus of control internally and acting like people have choices.

It feels to me the true red pill is acknowledging that living organism are just biological machines that humans are a natural phenomenon just like a tornado and we are subordinate to physics. We are an algorithm that acts on data, the stimuli that we are subject to. We map inputs to outputs. Inputs being dna, environment, other peoples actions, while outcomes are actions. We don’t really control our actions.

Anymore than google maps could choose to show us the route it picked. Given all the data, the route was an inevitability.

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I do think I'll definitely dabble in steroids at some point in my life, ideally at around 25. I'm 20 at the moment and I feel by 25 I'll have reached my genetic natural peak from working out, dieting and what not. After that I want to take it further and see what my genetically enhanced peak is, and I don't see anything wrong with that. My testosterone levels are good right now but I wanna see just how high I can get it, why not try to get somewhere between 900-1000 mg of testosterone?

People give steroids a bad rap as if they're some kind of bad thing, I don't see an issue with going above your natural peak provided you do the correct research and follow a cycle properly alongside a doctor's help. I also see a lot of people on here say

"Ew guys with steroid muscles are gross!!"

Do you find Chris Hemsworth attractive? Maybe Chris Evans? Is Tom Hardy more your style? Jason Momoa perhaps?

If you find any of those guys attractive, you find steroid muscles attractive because all those guys have been juiced to the gills at some point and some still are.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
Author	AutoModerator
Upvotes	18
Comments	1525
Date	February 12, 2022 3:00 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/sqh6bu/daily_community_chat_megathread/
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