In a society where beauty fads come and go, what beauty standards do men actually care about?

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-02-21T22:59:47+00:00

essential to beauty?

Health. You can be skinny, and unhealthy. A physique though, built solidly through physical and mental strength is always beautiful. As good nutrition, and a solid training/exercise habit, are indicative of a well rounded person.

Godspeed and good luck!

Smitten_Squire · 2022-02-21T23:17:36+00:00

"Just dont be fat", but even if you can't do that, some guys like fattys lol

NockerJoe · 2022-02-21T20:22:24+00:00

There's a reason most men nowadays boil it down to boobs vs ass and at most legs is the third camp. Your average man isn't that fussy about hair or makeup unless they like a specific kind of alt like goth girls or have a racial preference.

Flightlessbirbz · 2022-02-21T23:05:43+00:00

Harmony and femininity in the facial features (equal thirds, big eyes, small nose, oval face shape, forward facial growth), proportionally smaller waist (whether a slim, straighter figure or a fuller hourglass, the waist always has to be small-ish), symmetry, long thick hair, clear skin, long legs in proportion to height, straight white teeth. A lot of men think it’s “just don’t be fat,” but it’s actually a lot more complex than that, they just don’t even notice the “ugly” girls as being girls.

Counter_Proposition · 2022-02-21T21:22:05+00:00

Beautiful face > everything else.

2022-02-21T20:14:25+00:00

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just_a_place · 2022-02-21T21:31:15+00:00

Do not confuse beauty standards with fads.

A woman 10,000 years ago would be held to the same beauty standards as today. What men find physically attractive has not changed much in the last 200,000 years.

All this nonsense about curly hair vs straight hair is meaningless when the woman underneath is what a man is actually looking at.

Men have never given a fuck about fashion or whatever the fuck is in vogue. That's BS that women themselves invent to try and one up each other and the men find hot women hot regardless of whatever stupid trend she is following. Those women with small tits in the 20's were still cute and good looking. Those voluptuous women in the 40s were still good looking and beautiful.

Moral of the story: When you are already good looking it doesn't fucking matter to a man whether you are flat chested, or slim-thick. The point is to look hot. Men are attracted to a very wide variety or women as you can see. But the true standard of beauty is this: Femininity, grace, form, high estrogen, health, youth, and visible signs of fertility and femaleness; such as a high forehead, large eyes, small chin, small shoulders, smaller height, long legs, wide hips, slender hands and feet, long healthy hair, etc. Even including women's scent and voice.

Every single stupid fad that women have ever come up with men have rolled their eyes at how stupid we think the whole thing is. From deep tans to fake asses that whole vain shit is annoying as hell because we see it as women ruining a good thing.

So what actually matters? To be 100% blunt HEALTH and YOUTH is what maters. You already have it programmed in your DNA to literally attract men just for existing. All you have to do is maintain peak health in order to accentuate the things men find attractive. Your skin will look better when it is healthy, so will your hair and your figure and even your face. Enough sleep and a good diet makes women's faces look the way they were intended to look.

Everything about the Cosmetics industry is designed to amplify health and youth in women by literally masking blemishes on the skin, bags under the eyes, chapped lips, and accentuating women's eyes and cheek bones to give the illusion of peak health. Women's clothes are also likewise designed. Skits designed to make women's legs look longer, same thing with high heels, and tops that accentuate the breasts or pants that accentuate the ass.

BadWrath · 2022-02-21T23:31:10+00:00

Men were designed to like women. Just look like a woman. Natural beauty is the best beauty.

FIVE_6_MAFIA · 2022-02-21T22:17:42+00:00

I just want her to be actively taking care of her health. Working out and eating well.

It's such a turn-off when women complain about their body but put in no effort to work on it.

I don't care about boobs since that's strictly genetics, but every woman can get a nice butt in the gym. Glutes are muscles.

Visible-Doughnut-782 · 2022-02-22T00:35:15+00:00

Female fashion and “beauty trends” are not driven by men. They are almost entirely driven by other woman. Most men couldn’t care less about what a woman is wearing, her make up, her hair style ect… In a man’s eyes a woman doesn’t suddenly have a make over and transfer from some anonymous nerd to a dazzling beauty ala She’s All That or Cinderella. The standard advice offered to many men that they should dress better and get a nice hair cut doesn’t apply to woman. A woman is either genetically hot or she’s not. Now of course there is a level of subjectively to what makes a woman hot( or at least hotter than an other woman) but if there was a basic answer to this question it’s simply don’t be overweight. If a woman is not overweight it doesn’t mean she will be automatically be competing with supermodels but it does mean most men will find her sexually appealing.

mmm_try_again12345 · 2022-02-21T20:38:52+00:00

Don’t be fat, don’t be promiscuous

Any normal man who wants a family will be completely happy with a plain looking girl who checks both of those boxes

fnonpm · 2022-02-21T20:21:19+00:00

If your eyes are bright and happy when looking at me and you have alright hygiene then anything goes

Most girls have dead eyes or angry "I might kill you in 5 minutes" eyes

Even if girls approach "look at you, smile, get close while there are 5 empty seats to your right" if they have dead eyes or angry eyes I avoid interacting with them

Emergency-Regret6974 · 2022-02-21T20:46:04+00:00

Look, most men here aren't going to actually think about this. Beauty trends include eyebrow thickness, hairstyles (including short hair), body hair, lip thickness, dress shape and length, tights or no tights, pants or skirts, heels or flats, and so on.

They're going to tell you "not fat" and ignore everything else, AND pretend they don't prefer long hair over short, shaven over unshaven, etc.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2022-02-22T00:25:24+00:00

Subconciously, men care about the following:

A .72 Waist to Hips Ratio ("Hourglass" figure)

Good facial symmetry ("beauty")

Length and condition of a woman's hair (you can tell a lot about a woman's health this way).

And yeah, that's about it.

PutthegundownRobby · 2022-02-21T22:19:27+00:00

Timeless beauty features: long thick hair, neonatal facial features, child-bearing hips, softness, light feminine voice, long legs, shapely legs, and did I mention legs?

Dis_mah_mobile_one · 2022-02-21T22:37:19+00:00

Thin

Teflon08191 · 2022-02-22T00:44:38+00:00

We like all of the above at all times.

Women drive fashion/beauty trends, not men.

jonrah69 · 2022-02-21T20:24:37+00:00

For most men I think plain old attraction is the main factor however I really do like a Women who is fashionable. If a girl can dress well it really helps me fall for her. I am unsure if it has to do with just matching modern standards as I find some older aesthetics more attractive than others.

I feel like while the standards for women's beauty in general has changed a lot there are things that have remained static. While things like the ideal body have changed others haven't and a harmonious, symmetrical face without glaring flaws will always be attractive. For some men like myself being fashionable for that generation can help but the attractiveness will be the key and i feel like that has changed much less.

FFTzzz · 2022-02-21T21:59:58+00:00

I think men for the most part like women that look young ,cute and have average non-exaggerated features. Men like women that are not obese, not anorexic , not too tall , not too short, medium sized boobs, a medium sized butt etc. These features are tasteful,universal and always in style. Men like healthy women.

After that there features that act primarily as status symbols.They become desirable mainly because they are status symbols and have very little with biological attraction. These features vary in time ,region and culture. They can be outright repulsive and grotesque if you are not socialized to think they are something desirable, like for example neck-rings/elongated necks and bound feet. The status symbol trait at the moment are big boobs and big asses and weird injected lips. They attract the men that want to possess those desirable status symbols. Women promote and invest in these traits for the obvious reasons.

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-02-21T22:50:40+00:00

It's pretty simple. Don't be fat, put in effort into your appearance. Men don't care about your perfectly arched eyebrows or whatever the fad is that's currently popular.

I would assume it's the same for women. If a man isn't fat and puts a bit of effort into their appearance, he's already better than half of men.

MasterTeacher123 · 2022-02-21T20:25:16+00:00

It's not that difficult, but women don't want to put in the work.

Don't be fat
Take a shower

You would think that's simple but 60% of women can't figure it out.

UnfurtletDawn · 2022-02-21T20:16:11+00:00

Mostly universal beauty standards are health and fertility no matter the gender.

PlayfulLawyer · 2022-02-21T20:48:19+00:00

I mean really just the things that distinguish us physically, that are going to come naturally the sex characteristics so breasts, the way a woman's legs and butt develop, women grow less body hair so the less of that the better, and even though some chicks pull off the short hair well I think men generally will always prefer longer hair, outside of that just work out some most things is just fashion trends and fetishes

tempaccc2022 · 2022-02-21T21:12:46+00:00

slim

BecretAlbatross · 2022-02-21T21:41:58+00:00

Ultimately the only REAL standards I have outside of how pretty I think your face is 36 26 36 or how close she is to this.

ManGoneNoWay · 2022-02-21T22:29:20+00:00

In terms of conventional attractiveness, not being (too) overweight and being young are pretty reliable standards.

SexySecretsSD · 2022-02-21T23:05:07+00:00

Facial symmetry and feminine features typically don't go out of fashion with men. Long hair generally is popular.

Waist to hip ratio also has always been important.

Body Hair removal is reasonably popular across cultures and time.

In western culture I would say showing skin is generally popular with men. High heels are also reasonably popular.

Dell_Hell · 2022-02-22T00:53:55+00:00

The .7 hip to waist to hip ratio.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1306012/Beauty-summed-To-tell-womans-really-attractive-figures.html

ifelsedowhile · 2022-02-22T01:33:53+00:00

normal weight

0.7 waist to hip ratio

pretty and symmetrical face

Insidious-Sid · 2022-02-22T03:41:43+00:00

Thin. Curves. Tits. Ass. Legs.

What else is there?

Oh, her endearing personality.

Dragonman369 · 2022-02-21T20:12:46+00:00

actually being beautiful

lulll · 2022-02-21T20:53:31+00:00

women care more about beauty standards than men do. beyond the point of a woman being normal weight with a pretty face its all kind of up in the air what men like more, some like ass more, some like tits more, whatever. if you want to talk about what standards men actually do care about? how about being feminine. so many women act manly and masculine now, its honestly gross. they have the same attitude as a fuck boy

the typical type of woman that men find ugly is a fat woman with an apple shaped body who is aggressive and manly. avoid being that. some women can get away with putting on some weight because they have curves, but women with an apple shaped body basically have to stay within the normal bmi because that body type looks very ugly with weight

gibdegg · 2022-02-21T20:15:29+00:00

Femininity .. 100%.

purplish_possum · 2022-02-21T21:20:24+00:00

Big tits and big round asses are never out of style with straight guys.

Potential_Respond224 · 2022-02-21T20:24:58+00:00

Hip to Waist and Bust to Waist ratio

Hair length, cleanliness and health

Facial structure that indicates High Estrogen to T ratio (actual amount of T doesn't seem to matter as long as the ratio remains high)

Clear Sclera

Symmetrical body/face

Proximity to late adolescense/early adulthood

And weirdly, long arm length.

StinkingDischarge · 2022-02-21T22:22:28+00:00

None of them. Men aren't fad followers. Virtually all fashion and "beauty" fads are driven BY women based on what THEY think men find "attractive" and by "fashion designers", who are almost always homosexual. And they're almost always wrong. Have a BMI that's a least close to normal, don't have a mouth full of rotten teeth or a house full of someone else's kids, have both of your eyes, all of your limbs and good hygiene and most men will find you at least serviceable. Pretty much everything else is window dressing.

social_mule · 2022-02-21T22:50:42+00:00

Things that indicate health and fertility.

Facial symmetry, 0.7 hip-to-waist ratio, big juicy titties, clear skin. All the typical shit you'd expect.

jayval90 · 2022-02-21T23:14:31+00:00

If you appear healthy, that's all I ask. The rest is personal association. If I know a bunch of bitchy women with big boobs, then I'm going to subconsciously assume that you're bitchy if you have big boobs. But honestly even that melts away after we talk.

Yes, I prefer Amish girls.

icarusdionysus · 2022-02-22T00:51:00+00:00

Ass. Lots of ass

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Superannuatedpunk · 2022-02-21T20:25:46+00:00

Clear skin and a vaguely symmetrical face and body.

wtknight · 2022-02-21T20:26:18+00:00

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Sudden_Difference500 · 2022-02-21T20:28:14+00:00

Not looking sick and being young is enough in most cases.

Yukbghhjj · 2022-02-21T20:33:50+00:00

At least a somewhat sizeable ass and uh...that’s about it on top of facially decent and not morbidly obese for me.

XCheeseMerchantX · 2022-02-21T20:51:35+00:00

As long as a girl looks healthy and is my thing when it comes to body type,hair color,eye color etc then i don't care for anything else. She could be dressed like a trash bag for all i care. i would still feel attracted to her.

I never understood Women's obsession with make-up. It does not make you more attractive for most men. quite the opposite actually. So it has nothing to do with biology as in increasing the chance of finding a mate.

Which makes me think the obsession with make up has everything to do with marketing. its just another consoomer product Women are baited into buying.

M3taBuster · 2022-02-21T20:51:58+00:00

I think hair and body type are highly dependent on the fad of the time, and even within a given era of fads, individual men's preferences will vary pretty widely. That said, I think it's safe to say that you will appeal to the broadest possible range of men, at least nowadays, if not always, by being near average BMI and having shoulder-length to waist-length hair.

But facial attractiveness, on the other hand, is relatively timeless and universal. And to understand what makes a woman facially attractive, I recommend checking out the Vindicta subreddit. I've lurked there a few times, and they have it down to a science. They've explained why I have always found certain women attractive and not others when I couldn't explain it myself. Particularly their stuff about "angel skulls", "midfaces", and "canthal tilt".

somenytoi · 2022-02-21T22:01:13+00:00

Well most female trends related to style and beauty are just for women competing with each other . I can't speak for all guys , and I have my own personal preferences , but being able to flatter ones self in anything they wear , and carry themselves in a feminine way are more important than trends .

Athlete9000 · 2022-02-21T23:19:15+00:00

Soft skin and a loveable face (not having a negative that I just can't ignore, like fucked up teeth) are the baseline, followed by combinations of TnA. Big booty was never a negative for me. Just lol at people finding it attractive now because that's what's trending. I'm not too fussed about hair, but I'd rather a woman feels comfortable with her natural hair, just for her own happiness.

What I don't like, though, is this nail trend. I've been put-off by enough nail styles that I can't not pay attention to them now and I've become a nail connoisseur. Natural, clean-cut nails with some gloss are BY FAR the best. I'm legit disgusted by demonic, claw-looking nail styles and I hope that trend dies ASAP.

nogestures · 2022-02-22T01:08:36+00:00

Respectfully Bobs n vagene sweaty 🥵🥵🥵

Rivennoketsui · 2022-02-22T01:34:35+00:00

Hairstyles and nail polish doesn't mean anything to me. To me a girl must be healthy (not obese, not a skeleton) and the skin must be healthy as well. Smoking kills beauty really fast. I saw girls at 25 looking 40 because they smoke 3 packs a day.

Hygiene Is really important as well, if a girl smells or has dirty hair is an instant turn off (and run away). Sadly, girls where i live cant even manage to follow basic hygiene routine.

ShinyBronze · 2022-02-22T01:55:10+00:00

Don’t be fat and have smooth skin.

XanthicStatue · 2022-02-22T02:46:12+00:00

Pretty eyes, straight and clean teeth will always be at the top of my list.

DaphneDK42 · 2022-02-22T02:47:12+00:00

How much do the classic accessories associated with beauty, such as nail polish, makeup, heels, and elaborate hairstyles, matter when it comes to looking attractive?

Don't care about all that. I care about her being slim, clean looking, healthy, nice, modest.

SupermarketFun21 · 2022-02-22T02:49:26+00:00

Low body fat (~20%), long hair, feminine overall presentation. That's pretty much it, as far as what you have control over.

Beauty industry crap like hairstyles, makeup, and nail polish are overdone more often than they help. I'm not totally anti-makeup, but effective makeup should just make you look less blemishy. It shouldn't even be obvious you're wearing makeup. The clown shit you call the "glam look" is repulsive.

Prize-Thought-4205 · 2022-02-22T03:29:42+00:00

Health. Fertility. Big boobs, nice buts, flawless symmetrical face, long luscious hair. Men for all of history and for all of the future will always fall deeply in love with these. Same as women loving strength, muscles, power & dominance (no matter how narcissistic or masculine modern western women try to seem)

Fit-Faithlessness149 · 2022-02-22T03:47:48+00:00

Slender or at least not obese. Long hair. Shaved legs.

techr0nin · 2022-02-22T04:06:45+00:00

If we wanna be really evolutionarily reductive, then I’d say an hour glass figure, good hip to waist ratio, symmetrical features, clear skin, healthy hair, and youthfulness. Basically just health and fertility cues that one can visually perceive.

midwesternMD · 2022-02-22T04:30:06+00:00

I don’t think my particular sense of beautiful changed much in the past 25 yrs or so.

Thin with an hourglass figure and long hair (basically shoulder length and longer). That’s really it.

I’ll admit that in my teenage years, I was all about tanned brunettes. I had an iconic poster of Brooke Burke back in the day. But around college is when I began to appreciate blondes/redheads and pale vs tan. While I like the “look” of a sun-kissed tan, I also know that it takes enough sun exposure that she’d age faster/be at risk for skin cancers sooner if she pursued tanning.

KillaKyleKlan · 2022-02-22T04:32:54+00:00

Long hair, a cute face, petite (healthy/in-shape) , dress feminine. Everything else is an added bonus (breasts, legs, butt). I'd prefer no makeup tbh. Ladies lose the weight (no I'm not being critical to be mean, I want to help you) I see heavy women all the time and think "imagine she lost the weight, she'd be so good looking". Men don't want much.

Classic_Head3437 · 2022-02-22T05:02:39+00:00

I liked the 90s myself. I was in high school then. Girls actually cared about their bodies, and having tan smooth legs was standard. Being a soccer player with thick muscular legs was a bonus for me.

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2022-02-22T07:34:49+00:00

Fitness. Obesity has NEVER been attractive. Contrary to belief it wasn't in the middle ages -- it was a status marker. Not physical attraction.
Symmetric face. I.e. huge noses have never been "in"
Dimorphic features. That can be T&A like Kim K; or it could be long hair, or it could be skinny with long effeminate legs. All are dimorphically distinct from men who are at the peak visibly muscular and hairy.

sebwiers · 2022-02-22T11:22:18+00:00

Beauty fads are a female vs female pecking order competition, and rarely have anything to do with male tastes. Men put up with them and use them to judge a woman's social status, but sexually they only really care about fundamentals of sexual dimorphism.

Spacechicken1998 · 2022-02-22T12:15:35+00:00

Health, simple. Healthy bodies are hot

Complete-Temporary-6 · 2022-02-22T12:26:33+00:00

Gay men and women make those beauty standards. Men typically don't gaf.

Also not all men are attracted to women.

Little-Profession-65 · 2022-02-22T13:00:48+00:00

Big old cha chingas for me to suck on

StarHeadedCrab · 2022-02-22T13:21:54+00:00

You generally can't go wrong with:

Slim (or more cynically, lower end of average weight with no signs of anorexia)
Perky boobs (decently sized boobs that are fairly round, don't droop, aren't obviously fake), and a firm ass
As few signs of ageing as possible

I can't describe what makes women's faces attractive but women tend to know what they're doing with their make up.

You won't please everyone but nobody will think you're "ugly" if you manage to tick the "conventionally attractive" boxes.

There's still a lot of room for personal preference. I like the punk/androgynous/queer look (dyed hair, undercuts, a certain look to their faces).

But I like that look better on the "slim with large natural boobs" body type. Priorities are weighted differently so for example I find Kate Upton more attractive than Boo from Orange is the New Black for example, even though I'm not really into the "blonde bombshell" look. But others may weight things differently and their personal preferences can compensate for being less conventionally attractive, even to a huge degree. Plus there are "fetishes".

supercreativenamelol · 2022-02-22T14:00:09+00:00

Face and natural beauty is everything to me. If I find out a girl has done plastic surgery, then I'm out. All of the girls I knew in high school have gone under the knife or did some kind of cosmetic procedure (nose jobs, lip filler, and Botox are very common, basically every Hollywood celebrity has done those things along with many other surgical procedures most ppl probably never heard of, and regular ppl do those at high rates too). Surgeons are EXTREMELY good at making it look natural. I don't even live in a rich area btw, I sorta live in a red necky state.

Obviously I hate fakeup too. I think women who try harder to look better, are not attractive. Call me an ass all you want but at the end of the day I realize I'm rly picky lol

abaxeron · 2022-02-22T14:14:12+00:00

Pussy >>> no pussy

Good person >>> obnoxious bitch

More anatomically/structurally possible sex positions >>> less (thus, lower body mass and body fat are preferable).

Everything else is below the margin of error.

Ranziel · 2022-02-22T18:02:18+00:00

Not overweight is probably the most important thing.

Then there's a myriad of things such as long and straight legs, good skin, good teeth, large eyes, large and perky breasts, firm and round butt, wide hips. But, again, those matter far less. Just be slim or close to slim and look healthy, that's all that truly matters.

Stunning-Potato-1984 · 2022-02-22T19:13:28+00:00

I literally have no idea. I used to think long hair but then I got hit on the most when I had bleach blonde short hair. I think they're always in flux and highly subjective.

childish_badda_bingo · 2022-02-21T20:47:37+00:00

Beggars can’t be choosers.

Ambitious-Travel7400 · 2022-02-21T20:55:57+00:00

I think a woman should be fit at least within dress size 10.

Beautiful long hair no matter race/ethnicity (straight/curly/wavy)

Few blemishes on skin

Decent athletic to curvy body type (at least 32B for boobs and at least have butt that is somewhat round lol

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