Isn’t it immature and weird for a woman to be turned off by a man voicing his sexual desires first instead of physically trying them?

Westernation · 2024-07-30T15:17:24+00:00

I’ve just been making the ‘fucky-fucky’ signs w my hands…..👌👈

Capable_Army2705 · 2024-07-30T16:57:35+00:00

Because double standards. Men have to live to women's unrealistic height standards, bone structure standards constantly. Whereas women can be any body type and still expect chad

Case example: Lizzo literally only have hot male dancers with her, but having every woman of every body type with her on stage.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2024-07-30T14:50:58+00:00

Couples should absolutely talk about what they like and don’t like. This has to be a two way conversation. No one should expect their partner to be psychic.

MistyMaisel · 2024-07-30T14:45:19+00:00

Non-verbal communication is communication. If a woman is making eye contact with you and then your lips and getting really really close to you in a somewhat secluded area, she probably wants to kiss you and in order to confirm this, you could close your eyes and lean in really slow and see if she closes the distance or lets you close the distance. Would asking work. It really depends on the woman and the asking. Confidently stating you really want to kiss her, probably hot. Saying let's kiss, gross. I'm about to kiss you, gross. Are any of these necessary? Probably not.

As for communicating about where to eat or what to do, that's an individual thing and sometimes it's a mood thing. Often, we like just being taken out and not having a big say in it early on in relationships, Discussion tends to come later and even then, I'll often tell my man, "I don't want to make decisions right now". Asking about AC is def over-communicating at most you can say, "let me know if you get cold". Especially with stuff like this, there's no risk of coercion or rape.

During sex, yikes on bikes, friend. If you're gonna do something wild, you should probably pre-discuss that or make it clear outside of the bedroom. Otherwise, again, non-verbal communication is communication. And it strikes me that you're probably trying to get out of the discovery process of trial and error and learning to pay attention to your partner's responses. Which I get, but that's stupid. Better to learn their responses and non-verbals early on so that you can more easily and comfortably explore longer than just asking for the cheat code to get in....assuming there even is one. For a lot of us, there really isn't some cheat code. Wouldn't it be great if there was.

I'm gonna say it, because now you're talking freaky shit. The problem isn't the man saying freaky shit, it's that we aren't into that freaky shit or it's way too soon. It is very rude for a guy to be vulgar when no indication has been made that would be welcome, yes. Sorry if that's not a message y'all like to hear. Read the room. I don't talk about vulgar sexual shit when it's unwelcome. If you can't tell, keep it to yourself and wait for them, and if it never arrives, I would say assume they don't wanna talk vulgar sexual shit with you. And good god, don't lead with your freak shit unless it's absolutely a requirement for you to have.

claratheresa · 2024-07-30T14:53:53+00:00

People can be grossed out by whatever they want

fiftypoundpuppy · 2024-07-30T14:50:40+00:00

"Hey ladies! Boy is it hot out today. So, do any of you want to be used as a cum dumpster?"

"Fuck off."

"WhY aRe WoMeN sO wEiRd AnD iMmAtUrE??"

A lot of women are just running with the belief that it’s rude for a guy to be vulgar and that they should be turned off by that.

Uh, no, we're not "running with the belief" that it's rude, we feel it is rude and we are immediately, viscerally turned off by it. We're not taking the time to debate or wonder how we "should" feel in those situations. You are cold-calling and spamming your dick, like a sexual telemarketer. Most people get annoyed by randos interrupting their day to sell them products they didn't want nor ask for. You are junk mail claiming it's rude and immature for people to immediately throw you in the trash and write off doing business with that company.

As a guy if women walked up to us and said some vulgar shit to us we’re not about to get in our feelings 9/10.

Yes, because sex for men is low-risk, high-reward and women en masse don't have the capacity to force you to do things you don't want to do. We're also far less likely to, IDK, kill you if you reject our advances. You have more to gain and less to fear from those sexually vulgar women. Sexually vulgar men have already demonstrated from the jump that they don't care about the consent, safety, nor comfort of the women they approach. They are inherently and rightfully viewed as dangerous and threatening.

The fact that females are biologically different than males doesn't make us, nor our sexuality and the fact that it is different from yours, "weird and immature."

Dishonouronmycow2 · 2024-07-30T14:43:06+00:00

Might just be a personal thing, but talking about sex/trying for sex in the initial stages is something that I would walk away from considering that I’m open about waiting until marriage. It seems desperate

RelativeYak7 · 2024-07-30T14:44:08+00:00

One guy 12 years ago said to me: I'm going to enter you now. I still think back on that and get shivery goosebumps from how disgusted I felt by his words.

Dude: we are naked and you are on top of me. I'm not an imbecile who can't work out the process here.

SaBahRub · 2024-07-30T14:32:15+00:00

You want sex, get a hooker

And if a woman wants you to disregard her own words, she’s a manipulative moron

Edit: you say “voicing his sexual desires”, we say “communicate”. See, it’s telling that you see it as a one way thing, while we see it as reciprocal.

To most women, “voicing his sexual desires” means “saying gross things that you want to do to us, often in inappropriate contexts”. Because that happens, a lot.

apresonly · 2024-07-30T16:26:28+00:00

stranger men = stranger danger

some percentage of women are turned on by danger but its a huge turnoff for me. i want to feel safe.

i think you're confused bc you'd love if women were sexual w you right away since you don't view women as a danger.

men say sexual stuff to women all the time (ex: cat calling) and its unpleasant and/or scary.

Critical_Corner_1859 · 2024-07-30T15:15:34+00:00

"Why do people react negatively when I'm a tactless pig?"

Old_Luck285 · 2024-07-30T16:04:55+00:00

What happened to flirting?! You can communicate verbally a lot and still be attractive by using the right tone.

Stand close, push a hair strand behind her ear, look into her eyes for a long(er) moment, then lower your gaze to her lips. Gaze back to her eyes, you say with enough sincerity and sexy "I really want to kiss you" and wait for a reaction.

If she finds you sexy, that should do the job. If she doesn't find you sexy, you shouldn't try to negotiate desire anyway.

It's not that difficult. Or are you going to tell me "Well she's got short hair, so there wasn't a strand!"?

Regarding the eating out thing, you can be more asserting by saying things like "I really want burger. What do you say, babe, 7:30 at XY?".

leosandlattes · 2024-07-30T14:46:33+00:00

Verbalizing things to some women can be a turn off. It just is what it is. Like, for many women sex should be spontaneous and ravishing; a guy asking about everything he's doing and her verbalizing her permission will take her out of the mood. And it'll probably take him out of the mood too.

The girl you dated is looking for a male-led relationship. You cannot provide that nor did you want to provide that, which is fine - there are plenty of women out there who don't want to be led.

CalligrapherSimple39 · 2024-07-30T14:54:55+00:00

Mature people verbalize sexual desires to the other sex.

Immature folks who enjoy living in fantasy worlds expect their partners to be the King at "Guess what?"

Cthulhus-Tailor · 2024-07-30T19:05:38+00:00

Women have always been terrible at expressing themselves verbally when it comes to sex, which is rather ironic since they’re the ones who push for communication more generally.

They are also terrible at staying true to what they say, often betraying their words the moment an impulse or “spark” strikes them.

They then regret this impulse and, in some especially regretful cases, claim retroactively that they didn’t even want the encounter to begin with.

In this case they’re going by what they feel NOW and ignoring how they felt then altogether. Highly disingenuous.

Difficult_Falcon1022 · 2024-07-30T15:29:19+00:00

I've had both done well. It's about consent, not a contract; body language can be fine if enthusiastic.

I don't think saying women are immature for preferring one is particularly helpful. Women aren't obliged to have the same preferences as one another.

G-real1 · 2024-07-30T15:50:39+00:00

You have to read the non verbal cues for everything, if you cant do this its over for u

ScarletRedShadow · 2024-07-30T15:52:44+00:00

A certain level of communication is needed. Doesn't have to be verbal all the time

LaloTwinsDa2nd · 2024-07-30T20:10:39+00:00

Women refusing to shame these women is like 40% of why I’m not a feminist

Expensive-Tea455 · 2024-07-30T23:55:05+00:00

Not everyone wants to talk about sex straight off the bat 😬

KentuckyCriedFlickin · 2024-07-31T00:19:17+00:00

It ruins the fantasy that they have.

Alert_Many_1196 · 2024-07-31T01:08:55+00:00

The only time I have heard this being an issue is on the first message/first date.

cre4mpuffmyf4ce · 2024-07-31T02:58:30+00:00

Autistic take.

Social queues, confidence, emotional intelligence, reading body language… there’s many reasons humans are attracted to each other, and not high up on that list is “acting like a fucking robot.”

DreaminInChocolate · 2024-07-30T14:38:10+00:00

That depends on our relationship. Is it sexual now? No? Stfu.

neverendingplush · 2024-07-30T16:29:26+00:00

"HEY HUN WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PLACE MY THROBBING ERECT PENIS INSIDE OF YOUR VAGINA , YA MIGHT LIKE IT ;)".

I think some of your are truly lost.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-07-30T15:37:05+00:00

"i hate reality"

GymBroTRT · 2024-07-30T15:18:52+00:00

Your title doesn’t match the body of your post. Reading your title, I assumed that the post would be about telling a woman what you like in bed and communicate kinks, etc. But the body of your post is really about you not being able to take charge and leading and having to ask the woman for permission about everything.

The last part is what turns women off. If a woman has to make all the decisions herself, than what does she need you for? She wants a man who will take charge and make decisions. That’s the turn on. Asking to kiss her or even where she wants to go eat is abdication of your duty as a man to be in charge.

McPigg · 2024-07-30T17:08:33+00:00

Just admit your autistic and nonverbal communication is problematic to you

Redpill-mind · 2024-07-30T14:36:35+00:00

Women want to play the game not told they are playing the game, they want a guy who gets it

Sir_Spectacular · 2024-07-30T14:54:03+00:00

I would be nervous to go the "actions, not words" route with a woman I didn't already know well. If you misread the woman's interest, and try something she's not cool with, it can lead to some pretty serious legal peril, even if you stop immediately when she tells you.

Ideally I prefer not to do the whole "get explicit consent" rigarmarole because while it sounds good as a policy, it's awkward as hell in practice. But as a guy you need to be super careful to not misread signs of interest. You're kinda playing with fire there, at least during the initial few dates.

Salt_Alternative_86 · 2024-07-30T14:59:00+00:00

Both immature and dangerous... But also natural. This affirmative consent bullshit is just that: bullshit. However, too many psychotic bad actors among women trying to get men repeatedly ass raped in prison followed by lifetime on a registry, so there's no way a man is risking everything on 20 minutes in a woman's snot pocket. Just rolled with it, scream out some enthusiastic consent and get on with your night

driggsky · 2024-07-30T17:08:39+00:00

Yes its bullshit and immature and very conflicting that women are aroused by men who are just dominant and know what to do

They want men who are pre selected and thus know women

Its hard wired into them. Its weird for them to balance the fact that they basically want to have someone else control the situation even though a reasonable adult functioning in the world would never act that way

Its bullshit and dealing with women is a headache for both women and men. It is what it is but learn the game is the only way out

T-Rex-The-Alpha · 2024-07-30T15:26:36+00:00

Women want a man to get it

Be sexually too overt, watch how the shields come up. Be sexually covert and everything is fine.

Frustrating for chumps, less frustrating for the ones who understand it.

Also, i'd argue that your M/W complex sabotages this because you say technically a lot about yourself based on your attitudes.

Cethlinnstooth · 2024-07-30T15:05:08+00:00

You know what one of the least sexy things ever is? Men who argue with women that women are doing being attracted wrong.

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sprckets21 · 2024-07-30T15:48:33+00:00

If you don’t know her or never romantic be mysterious, be friendly but coy don’t give yourself away. Then you strike and give her a kiss, then if she reciprocates fully you’re all over each other. Don’t give some weird verbal buildup, that’s only going to work if she just really wants you no matter what.

2024-07-30T16:37:44+00:00

LMAO.

EugeneCezanne · 2024-07-30T18:22:52+00:00

but many men have told me don’t ever voice or ask but rather, attempt to read physical queues because supposedly it turns most women off if you don’t just go for them.

There are some women who insist on verbal confirmation before you do anything new and others for whom any sort of asking, instead of action, is a Game Over turnoff. Most women fall somewhere on the spectrum in between. If you want to do everything "right," you just have to try to read the room and guess where on the spectrum she falls. But, with enough attempts, you will inevitably guess wrong. You're human and not a mind reader. It is definitely safest to always just ask and just accept that doing so will cost you here and there.

The clarity and straightforwardness achieved through being verbal is a gift. Humans have high social capabilities, that is another reason why we’re so intelligent.

On the other hand, our capacity for educated risk-taking is also a huge part of our success as a species. And non-verbal communication is a big part of "high social capability." Moreover, verbal communication also greatly enhances our ability to miscommunicate, or even intentionally deceive—or even deceive ourselves, through language-based rationalization. The way we think shapes our language, but language also shapes the way we think.

Using your words makes sex way better.

You have to understand this is a matter of personal taste. Objectively, sharing more information should make any collaborative effort better, at least to a point. But sex is a highly subjective experience. For many, the tradeoff between having your partner know exactly what you want comes at the cost of taking them mentally out of the experience itself, since it necessarily requires more thinking; not just about sex, but about communication and how anything you say could influence another's perception of you. For others, talking is as natural as breathing and doesn't distract them at all.

I also don’t see the issue with initially saying some freaky shit.

In the abstract, there is nothing wrong with it. But we don't live in the abstract. We live in a social world ordered by norms and their symbolic meanings. If you walk up to someone and say some freaky shit, even a person who is into that exact freaky shit would likely recognize this as a reckless breach of social expectations. The question in their mind then shifts from "is this person attractive" to "is this person even safe, stable, self-aware, and concerned at all with what makes me comfortable"? It's not so much the content of what is said as it is the willful violation of a norm that you know, from living among humans, will bother people and still choosing not to care. The fact that you have personally decided that it is immature or "mentally broken" to have this boundary, and may therefore violate it at will, is the big Red Flag.

I think that part of your error here is in approaching the question like it has a right or wrong answer. Arousal isn't intellectual. No amount of knowledge or experience alone will convince someone to be turned on or off. Neither of the women I described in the first part are wrong to want what they want. The only thing I would hope for the future here is that because individual tolerances and preferences (and experiences and traumas and literal neural pathways) are so varied, that we can all learn to be a little more understanding and forgiving about situations that are honestly well-intentioned, but ultimately misread.

Shoddy-Cherry-490 · 2024-07-30T19:15:44+00:00

I think to some extent this is a particularly American issue...one that can admittedly also be found in other cultures.

By this I mean tabooing candid conversations about sexuality. Indeed you will find that many European women will be far more comfortable talking about the subject even on a first date assuming of course, you are not approaching the subject like a teenage horn dog but with the respect and dignity it deserves.

Conversely, I have had conversation with women from some cultural circles, where even the mentioning of the word intimacy (as opposed to the more vulgar verbiage) really freaked them out almost as if intimacy was indeed a forbidden word.

serpensmercurialis · 2024-07-30T19:29:22+00:00

I think it’s fine to verbalize what you want in a way that gives someone an opportunity to express they don’t want to, especially with new people. As for the technical reasons as for why some women are turned off by it, you can read about sexual script theory. It’s basically NPC behavior.

I’ve even had one girl tell me just kiss me on the cheek and that she only kisses men she’s dating. Then later on she was confused about why I didn’t go for her lips. Um, maybe because you verbally told me something else?

She’s blaming you for a problem she created and personally, I would dump her.

She even told me to stop asking her what she wants about other basic things and to just do them. Such as me asking her where she wants to eat, if she wants the ac on, etc.

Choice fatigue is real and the easiest way to deal with it is just say you’re doing x and then give her a chance to veto or say she wants something different. It’s less mentally taxing for both parties usually if one person already has a preference in mind. If she’s repeatedly shirking mutual choices though like date night ideas, then that’s lame.

But on the sexual advancing thing, for guys, we really have to worry about coercion and rape and all this shit. So, it doesn’t make sense to be playing these verbal guessing games.

This is true. Certain demographics of people just don’t respect people who are honest and try to mitigate risk in good faith. Avoid them, because it’s not limited to the sexual realm.

Smergmerg432 · 2024-07-30T19:43:14+00:00

I’m turned off if I’m attracted to the guy. I’ll get over it because: you have to do this in case she’s not attracted! That would be so much worse! It’s like dipping your toes in. And being consensual about it :) so yeah, it might feel a touch awkward. But it’s a first kiss it’s supposed to be a bit awkward. More awkward would be just going for her face when she’s politely trying to run down the clock without leaving mid date.

Puzzleheaded_Card_71 · 2024-07-30T19:44:54+00:00

Meh. When I like a girl I will have the sex talk with her where I lay out my needs and expectations and ask for hers.

Frankly if she is into you she will be happy to engage, I’ve never had it go poorly in terms of having the conversation. I have had women not line up with what I expect and thus it was easier to end it rather after understanding we wouldn’t align well in that regard.

I find this infinitely better than hoping she likes x or will do y.

waffleznstuff30 · 2024-07-30T19:48:18+00:00

No it's not immature.

It's.more viscerally repulsive for a guy to talk about his sexual desires. Like right off the bat. To me it says that guy is immature and tactless..

A guy wanting to just have sex with your body just minimizes any connection. And since we are taught "guys only want one thing" and it's often parroted that sex is so important for men. They will lie and cheat to get it. Hearing a guy want it is just like ew. You're just like every other guy out there.

I would rather have it become something more organic. If it happens organically it's more fun and beneficial but if it's just a guy barking sexual demands it feels weird.

Crazy_Individual_814 · 2024-07-30T20:32:32+00:00

I would say that discussing it before in the moment is the way to go. Like I really wanna kiss you when I see you next, or would you be interested in trying X? I agree turn off in the moment; makes things awkward. Asking generally where want to eat may put on pressure; may be better to offer some options. The AC thing 🤷‍♀️

I have to say there is also some finesse in way of asking to keep it hot. The way you say it/body language. Eg blurt out and look away vs whisper and eye contact.

As for the note: the respectful thing is to first find out what she is looking for before being saying anything too sexual. If she is looking for casual than she is more likely to be receptive; if she’s looking for serious and every guy immediately jumps to sex, yeah gonna leave a bad taste in mouth about current options, especially if had been clearly stated before that. The majority of women want at least a little emotional connection before engaging in a sexual manner.

Most men would probably like a directly sexual woman as that is not the norm. Women tend to be the receptors not initiators, that’s just the way socialized. I can bet that men would get in their feelings tho if they found out a woman had been that way with another man previously, but not them. Yes, definitely harassment if more than once, but depending on context could be sexual harassment even if once (eg your boss saying something to you).

Coloursoft · 2024-07-30T22:23:01+00:00

You had a valid point up until "Note:" and everything after that was a delusional ranting.

If you're in a relationship then kissing or cuddling your partner without asking is perfectly normal most of the time, and even outside of relationships if someone goes for a hug you can turn it into a handshake or just hit them with a "sorry, I'm not feeling physical intimacy right now" and be done with it. Sex is obviously a different case, and kinks are something that should be established outside of the bedroom first so that neither party feels trapped into agreeing to some goofy shit. And in the cases of hookups or ONS you're not gonna be doing any freaky shit unless previously discussed because otherwise it's dangerous and unsanitary *at best*.

But also non-verbal communication is important. If you're having sex with a women and want to try for a little anal there's so much you can do beside asking "can I put pp in ur butt?" and it all starts with a little foreplay. Tease her ass with your finger(s) whilst going down on her, tongue-punch her fart box a little, or just imply it by suggesting lube - if she doesn't like it she'll bat your hand away or otherwise make you stop focusing on her chocolate starfish. Pull out some handcuffs and show them to her when you're knuckle deep in clam chowder by dangling them suggestively from your finger and you'll be met with one of three responses: a "no", a "what're ya gonna do with those?" or her presenting her arms to you to get to binding.

As for everything in your note paragraph: just fucking no. If you ever walk up to a person and say some shit like "I wanna take you home and throatfuck your voice away" then you're in danger of being *justifiably* slapped. Presenting such vulgarity unprompted or unsolicited is like flashing someone or dropping a dick pic in their DMs - you're forcing the image you mention into their heads to satiate yourself and only yourself.

Be better, dammit.

volleyballbeach · 2024-07-31T02:10:00+00:00

It’s all about the way it’s verbalized. Turn off ways generally include starting with a discussion of “freaking shit” before establishing mutual desire, catcalling, or inappropriate settings.

shadowstep12 · 2024-07-31T02:51:11+00:00

I can offer some nice insight on this. One Anyone who says nonverbal communication is in anyway better than verbal is a freaking idiot. Why? Simple My boss (retail)literally told me I'm not allowed to talk on the sales floor. So how did I do my job? Non verbal communication for an winter week You want to know what happened? I almost caused a lawsuit because I couldnt talk and nonverbal communication sucks and almost killed someone in a slip and fall incident and almost got fired twice besides those two incidents on different days. I also had my coworkers report me to my boss because nonverbal communication made them all thing I was being a major asshole and I had to sit down with my bosses boss and explain that I was just not allowed to talk on the sales floor anymore. So now I had that and then the slip and fall incident the day after to end my week

And that's freaking work a non sexual thing. So tell me how the hell does nonverbal work in relationship shit if in nine to five and normal non sexual or romantic social interactions it fucking doesn't and causes people to just view you as some raging asshole?

Babyface_Bogart · 2024-07-31T10:10:07+00:00

we live in a time where men are simultaneously told only a verbal enthusiastic “Yes” counts as consent, yet mock them for being unable to “read between the lines” if they ask.

LuckyKirito · 2024-07-31T14:00:26+00:00

Bro they want to feel kinda that you got what you wanted. Like most girls actually want to be responsive. You do what you want and if she is grossed or offended hopefully she will let you understand. As long as she’s not saying no or pushing you back you push your way to what you want. They see it as a sexy thing.

silverhippo15 · 2024-07-30T15:42:49+00:00

No, that's just women being women. I don't remember the last time I asked a girl if I could do something. No surprise I'm not starving for pussy.

Zabadoodude · 2024-07-30T15:48:04+00:00

People are turned on or off by whatever they are turned off by. People can ignore their feelings, but they can't consciously change what they find attractive.

A man not being able to read non-verbal cues and having to alwsys explicitly ask is going to be unsexy for most women. You can't shame them out of finding it unattractive

No_Mammoth8801 · 2024-07-30T19:57:15+00:00

It's not an issue of clear communication. It's an issue of testing (either consciously or subconsciously) social and emotional IQ.

There is a strong correlation with social and emotional IQ and conscientiousness in the bedroom, so scoring highly in both those traits means the sex will probably be "meh" at worst for her and but most importantly you're being judged as safe.

purplish_possum · 2024-07-30T15:01:26+00:00

Verbal communication is the most clear and safe way for a man and a woman to express their sexual desires.

LOL!

Absolutely not! Non-verbal cues and actions are infinitely more important.

When she's saying "I never do this" while taking off her panties which do you think matters more? Her words or her actions?

JustRuss79 · 2024-07-30T16:11:30+00:00

Nah.

Sign here expressing explicit consent to the following acts. I am now taking a video of your verbal consent while holding the contract and today's newspaper. Then sending you the video as well as to my lawyer, along with scanned copies of the document.

The entire encounter is also being recorded for both of our safety. You may take your own video if you wish.

DankuTwo · 2024-07-31T08:29:21+00:00

I’ve never been in a situation where either party has verbally asked for confirmation for anything. Body language is more than enough to understand, once things get going.

This move in recent years to verbalise (and formalise) everything is just society-wide autism.

LillthOfBabylon · 2024-07-31T12:08:57+00:00

Isn’t it immature and weird for a woman to be turned off by a man voicing his sexual desires first instead of physically trying them?

Consent is immature?

soundslikebliss · 2024-07-30T18:13:03+00:00

It might seem like men and women speak the same language. We do not. You’re looking at the issue through your own language and only your own language.

Men primarily speak the language of words, logic, reason. Women primarily speak the language of emotion, feeling, energy.

For you to be having these issues means that your energy is speaking that you are less than certain in your confidence in your ability to care for her, even though that does appear to be your intention. If you need her guidance to care for her, it is felt, and it is not a secure energy for a woman to feel turned on in.

kvakerok_v2 · 2024-07-30T18:38:15+00:00

Post #9861 by someone who can't read body language. The 80/20 rule applies in kissing too. You go 80% and if she wants to kiss, she'll go the remaining 20, or she'll hug you if she's not feeling it. If you feel there's chemistry, you can gently rub her nose with yours to encourage her. If she doesn't like it she'll move her head away and that'll be the end of that. Otherwise, once her lips part, graze your lower lip against her upper. If you need even further instructions, you would probably just cut off your dick as you don't deserve to get laid.

Women, my apologies for letting the cat out of the bag, but this guy is so sad.

Title	Isn’t it immature and weird for a woman to be turned off by a man voicing his sexual desires first instead of physically trying them?
Author	Realistic_Guava9117
Upvotes	26
Comments	309
Date	July 30, 2024 2:30 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1efuu9k/isnt_it_immature_and_weird_for_a_woman_to_be/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/isnt-it-immature-and-weird-for-a-woman-to-be.1525790 https://theredarchive.com/post/1525790

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