I choose the bear. As a man myself I know what men are capable of. Debate me

Sillysheila · 2024-11-25T23:50:04+00:00

If I am a woman and I choose a man then what say you?

I’ve had mostly good experiences with men and a few bad ones, but I’m more comfortable with a man than a bear.

I understand why some women feel fearful of certain men but I’m more afraid of bears. That’s all there is to it.

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-11-26T03:00:34+00:00

As a man myself

ULTASLAYR6 · 2024-11-26T04:44:52+00:00

God can white people not he idiots for like 2 seconds my god. This man vs bear shit is just another of the random dumb shit white women always say and somehow everyone else always falls into it

caption291 · 2024-11-26T01:05:01+00:00

but when faced with statistics on how men can and have treated women

If the average woman met as many bears as she meets men she would have close to a 100% chance of being killed. Comparing the outcome of literally close to a trillion encounter on a daily basis between men and women to what might not even be in the thousands of encounter between women and bears is nonsensical.

A bear does not rape, coerce, drug, pressure, blame, black mail, kidnap, or torture their victims. They only defend themselves from danger, and hunt for food.

I think you've watched too many movies and got desensitized to violence if you think being literally eaten alive by a bear wouldn't be significantly worse or at the very least comparable to anything on that list.

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Sholnufff · 2024-11-25T23:30:33+00:00

People need to understand this concept: Evil doesn't just go away because you ask for it to stop and go away. That's one of the reasons we have weapons, numerous self defense systems, cell phone with GPS, apps to alert friends and family you are in danger, etc.

So in closing, the entire premise is complete phoquing stupid. The vast majority of SA's and etc are with those women know and trust. Rare stranger attacks are outliers.

JxNeal · 2024-11-25T23:12:33+00:00

Butcha don’t know many bears, do ya?

DopeAFjknotreally · 2024-11-25T23:25:47+00:00

I am a black belt in BJJ and have 18 years of MMA experience

I wouldn’t even consider fucking with a bear. That shit is just downright stupid

RIPGeorgeHarrison · 2024-11-25T23:40:11+00:00

I’ve encountered hundreds if not thousands of people hiking in the woods, and have never felt threatened by any of them. I don’t really care what the average person is capable of because my experience tells me it’s almost certainly never going to be bad, and even if the bear most likely isn’t going to attack me, I think my luck would run out if I ran into bears as often as I did people hiking

RelevantJackWhite · 2024-11-25T23:02:00+00:00

I mean, you're certainly welcome to spend some time in a forest with a bear if you're so inclined. I don't think it would be a very good idea but you do you

SadCahita · 2024-11-25T23:02:51+00:00

Bait or retardation?

>They'll say "most men" and then refer to themselves saying how they don't want to harm a woman, but when faced with statistics on how men can and have treated women, they deny it ever happened.

Do you know that "most X don't do that", and "most people that do that are X" are not contradictory?

UnhappyInevitable680 · 2024-11-25T22:58:10+00:00

A Palestinian refugee or a bear? A black man in a hood or a bear? A gay liberal man or a bear?

lets_kiss_guys · 2024-11-26T00:07:05+00:00

Here's the reason the hypothetical doesn't do a good job illustrating what you are claiming:

There's no point in the hypothetical if it isn't a grizzly or polar bear. You might as well be like "would you rather be in the woods alone with a harmless animal or a human", most people would pick the harmless animal. It has to be an actual dangerous animal for it to have its intended effect.

If you encountered a random grizzly or polar bear as often as you encountered random men, you'd be dead. You would have been dead a long time ago. There is no statistical argument to choose the bear, only an emotional one.

Even in a scenario where it's a bloodlusted bear or man, choosing the bear makes no sense. You will not outrun a grizzly bear, or out fight it. You quite literally have 0 chance unless you have a weapon. Bears also eviscerate you and eat your guts while you're still alive.

The emotions behind the hypothetical are valid, but the hypothetical itself just makes you look incredibly neurotic if you pick a brown bear.

0kayz00mer · 2024-11-26T06:28:26+00:00

Female bears disagree lol

As a result of infanticide, females with young appear to prioritize avoidance of male bears over avoidance of humans when choosing habitats

19whale96 · 2024-11-25T23:01:15+00:00

A bear does not rape, coerce, drug, pressure, blame, black mail, kidnap, or torture their victims.

Cardi B admitted to doing most of this stuff in one night.

LethargicBatOnRoof · 2024-11-25T23:27:43+00:00

rape, coerce, drug, pressure, blame, black mail, kidnap,

All of these things are better than being literally eaten. If you're unlucky, then you are alive for a good portion of it and then it definitely qualifies as torture.

That entire debate hinges on a fundamental misunderstanding of deaths per opportunity. More men hurt women than bears hurt humans, but that's because men interact with women many more times than bears interact with humans.

If you broke it down to likelihood to be violently attacked in any one encounter bears would be considerably more dangerous.

None of that discounts women's concerns about their safety which is what the conversation was designed to highlight, but literally "choosing the bear" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of risk and probability.

ChocoOranges · 2024-11-25T23:07:49+00:00

I reject the whole premise of this debate as fundamentally stupid. I hike in the woods around Squamish often. There are a lot of bears here and I’ve seen them in person while hiking from time to time.

There are also some women hikers. None of them have treated me like they’d do a wild bear. None of them have treated me worse than a bear. You’d think if actual female hikers feel this way they’d slowly back off or get out of the trail when they see me coming. But this has literally never happened once. As a matter of fact, the whole idea of doing that sounds absurd once you say it out loud, and yet is it not how they would react to a bear on the trail?

The core of this matter is that this whole debate is done by terminally online virtue signaling suburboids who can’t hike 2 meters in the woods without breaking down (this extends to the “men” side as well, otherwise they would’ve just mentioned this simple fact) so who cares whether they pick men or bear. They’d be dead long before that.

Now that I think about it, letting a bear scavenge your corpse is objectively better than traumatizing a random hiker with it (be it men or women), so bear really is the objectively correct choice.

Handsome_Goose · 2024-11-26T00:31:28+00:00

Not going to debate, just wishing you to find your bear, just like every person who chose the bear.

TheRedPillRipper · 2024-11-26T00:17:48+00:00

their actions are instinctual, but men are more advanced

Do you think bear’s instincts can change?

LectureTrue4216 · 2024-11-26T02:08:27+00:00

Uhhh because a bear is much more likely to kill you…

Professional-You1235 · 2024-11-26T09:58:06+00:00

I guess if your in a war zone, yeah you should be afraid of men with guns. But I would think most people visiting the local forest would just be in a national park, so you’re more scared of those friendly hiker dudes you pass all the time on a forest hike than a man eating predator? Do you pull out the bear spray and try to look big and make alot of loud noises any time you see a dude hiking out there, Lol.

Podlubnyi · 2024-11-26T12:59:04+00:00

A bear does not rape, coerce, drug, pressure, blame, black mail, kidnap, or torture their victims. They only defend themselves from danger, and hunt for food.

I daresay, while you're being mauled and eaten by an angry grizzly, the thought "at least he won't kidnap me" probably wouldn't be much comfort.

The main problem with your thesis is that most people don't interact with a bear on a daily basis. Indeed, most people will live their entire lives without coming face to face with a bear in the wild. Most women do interact with or are in close proximity to hundreds of men on a daily basis.

The way to test this is to send every woman who chooses bear to go live in the wilderness with the bears for a year. They only get to use technology and equipment built by themselves (or by a bear) and only other women and bears can intervene to save them. At the end we count who's still alive and compare it to the annual female homicide rate.

man-frustrated · 2024-11-25T23:06:32+00:00

It's incredible to see how an unmathematical mind interprets the world.

Tooru-Shoya- · 2024-11-25T23:13:20+00:00

What is there to debate? It would be like arguing with a rock

babazuki · 2024-11-25T23:56:53+00:00

Stay in your house then? Don't leave. Don't interact with people. Doesn't that make the most sense if you believe men are more dangerous than bears?

I would stay inside and call animal control if I saw a bunch of bears outside walking around. Your situation is much worse.

FluffyAgency6173 · 2024-11-26T03:33:30+00:00

Ok man. "Debate me". Id rather fight a man than a bear cause you can fuck up a guy. tf you gonna do to a bear. I guess you can bear spray a bear. But you can bear spray a man too.

Mauf066 · 2024-11-26T17:42:44+00:00

Has anyone ever done a breakdown of how likely you're to be murdered/eaten/raped/etc. by a bear vs man PER ENCOUNTER? This would put this silly misandrist debate to rest once and for all, at least among good faith logical people.

Alternative-Dream-61 · 2024-11-25T23:19:23+00:00

Debate what? That'd you'd prefer to take a sure gruesome death over the chance that the guy might be a socio or psychopath?

BrainMarshal · 2024-11-25T22:58:50+00:00

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/01/nx-s1-5134907/fat-bear-week-start-delayed-bear-killed

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-11-26T08:36:19+00:00

You can cooperate with other man based on mutual interests. You don't have mutual interests with a bear. You're it's food.

John_Oakman · 2024-11-26T11:48:56+00:00

The fundamental negative reaction towards the man vs bear scenario is the implication that the collective male gender is on the hook for the sins of the subset of the real men, and given that most of those real men are immune to shaming & other forms of social pressures the consequences will fall on the law & social norm abiding males.

And those males have no way to atone for the sins of those real men or any morally prescribed mechanisms to curb the behaviors of such real men.

There's no call for something to fix the wrongs, but complaining to assert one's moral virtues.

Alana_Laseter · 2024-11-26T11:59:04+00:00

A bear does not rape, coerce, drug, pressure, blame, black mail, kidnap, or torture their victims. They only defend themselves from danger, and hunt for food.

The problem is when a bear thinks you are danger or food.

If you are lost in the forest, a man can help you survive, find shelter, or find a good pathway. A man can be a positive help, neutral or dangerous. A bear can only be neutral or dangerous. Most men are more likely to help you than to kill you. Most men are not psychos. A random man is less likely to want to kill you than a random bear.

harmonica2 · 2024-11-26T12:27:57+00:00

If you replace the entire male population in NYC with bears for example, the number of female deaths and violence against women in NYC would go up.

abaxeron · 2024-11-26T12:41:21+00:00

Everyone should be free to choose the bear.

Men who did not choose the bear should be free to exclude those who chose the bear.

Starting with "build your own houses" and "run your own workplaces". Schools and hospitals next.

Yes, men are unpredictable. Nobody could have predicted that men would eradicate smallpox.

People who "choose the bear" while being in favor of men legally forced to employ, heal, teach, and benefit them, are raging hypocrites.

FrameWorried8852 · 2024-11-26T18:47:03+00:00

How many bears you been around? Exactly, your argument is shit. Way to prove us men even righter in our disdain for such stupid "what if!?!?!?" Garbage

NonsensePlanet · 2024-11-25T23:11:13+00:00

The whole scenario is so stupid because no one will ever need to make this choice. It’s purely a vague hypothetical.

But I’ll bite. You’re committing the same logical fallacy as the other bear choosers: assuming that you’re more like to meet a harmless bear than a harmless man. Bear encounters are rare because they generally avoid humans. But if you do encounter a grizzly at close quarters, there’s a good chance you’re getting mauled and eaten. No self defense will change this, unless you’re equipped with a gun or bear spray which will help your odds. On the other hand, your chances of randomly encountering a dangerous murderer/rapist/<insert any variety of boogeyman you please that will emotionally charge the thought experiment> are exceedingly slim.

All this hypothetical has done is highlight the irrational fears of chronically online women (young women were much more likely to choose the bear) and their inability to rationally assess the situation. I don’t say this to discount any trauma women have experienced at the hands of men, but instead to point out that emotional responses don’t necessarily reflect reality.

Neptune-Jnr · 2024-11-26T01:33:19+00:00

I chose the man. Even if he's a psycho I can beat a man in a fight. And I'm pretty confident but I'm sure that even with a gun a bear might mollywhop the shit out of me.

ZLM009 · 2024-11-26T02:32:37+00:00

Well if a woman chose the bear instead for example, me , then i wouldn't really care, it's her choice and she is doing me a favor going away from me, no one likes these kind of people.

DeeplyAmericanIssues · 2024-11-26T03:35:29+00:00

People who say this reinforce my belief in how Ted K was right about our future alienation with the outer world (nature).

Substantial_Video560 · 2024-11-26T09:33:20+00:00

As much as I adore animals I wouldn't want to be killed and eaten by a bear so I would much prefer to avoid them.

Leave the bears alone in the forest to do their own thing!

MaxDureza · 2024-11-26T14:22:25+00:00

Ftm is not a real man...when did you become the spokes person for all men?

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-11-26T15:10:58+00:00

I and almost every man I know has been abused by women. I've accepted over the last few years that I'm probably going to avoid ever being in another relationship for the rest of my life, because I never want to risk being put through that hell again. Despite feeling that way, I still won't generalize women the same way men are generalized with this analogy. You can argue statistics all you like. What it boils down to is gender essentialism. The purpose of it is to make me feel guilty for existing.

Vinylforvampires · 2024-11-26T15:14:10+00:00

LMAO, the white-knight vibes are strong with this one

You're just writing all this so you hope some woman see's this and knows that you are "one of the good ones"

pathetic

ImmaDrainOnSociety · 2024-11-26T15:15:34+00:00

I would read this but you are a man, not a bear, so for my own safety I will not.

valerianandthecity · 2024-11-25T23:06:26+00:00

It is very important to remember in arguements like these the effects of DV because many crimes are committed by people you know rather than strangers.

You're right, but the question is about a male stranger vs a bear stranger.

A bear does not rape, coerce, drug, pressure, blame, black mail, kidnap, or torture their victims. They only defend themselves from danger, and hunt for food.

True, however a death at the hands of a bear can still be horrific...

"... Olga, 19, managed to flee but didn't get far before the bear trapped her. In a haunting first call to her mom, Tatiana, Olga screamed: "Mom, the bear is eating me! Mom, it's such agony. Mom, help!""

"As the ordeal continued, Olga phoned again, saying faintly: "Mom, the bears are back. She came back and brought her three babies. They're... eating me."

In her final call, Olga resigned to her fate, told her mother: "Mom, it's not hurting any more. I don't feel the pain. Forgive me for everything, I love you so much."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/teens-chilling-last-words-to-mom-forced-to-listen-as-bear-ate-her-alive/ar-AA1scpAN

Tywinlol2 · 2024-11-25T23:20:53+00:00

All the terrible things that men can do women can do as well. I can talk about sociology here, statistics and so on, but it will probably be a waste of time, honestly I cannot take people who pick bear seriously. Because for some reason they make this argument not from the middle of the forest, were they live peacefully with family of bears, but instead from within human society, that is mostly protected by men, build by men, up kept by men, paid for by men and so on. Nobody is holding you back. Move to the wilderness, enjoy your time with bears or any other poor animal that you will afflict with your less then stellar company.

EfficientClue1494 · 2024-11-25T23:02:52+00:00

I would also choose the bear amongst men and women. They both suck cheese

mashedturnip · 2024-11-26T00:51:44+00:00

It’s not just man vs bear — it’s man with no accountability vs bear

That is a key point. Civilization is important

Hefty-Lobster-5513 · 2024-11-25T23:03:57+00:00

Man (human male) is the most dominant creature in nature. Women, other men and even bears will choose the bear.

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dyingfi5h · 2024-11-25T23:15:46+00:00

What do you choose? Is this being near a bear/man? talking to a bear/man? Is this the evilest/hungriest bear/man, or is this a random average bear/man

Being in a society of bears over a society of men?

I don't get what you "choose".

Kat_ri · 2024-12-05T22:03:58+00:00

I agree with choosing the bear and so should everyone else. From Statista, 14,327 murderers in the US in 2023 were men. From Wikipedia (I know), 5 people were fatally attacked by bears in 2023.

MongoBobalossus · 2024-11-25T23:09:08+00:00

Didn’t this topic die out 6 months ago?

valerianandthecity · 2024-11-25T23:21:32+00:00

There are ways to defend yourself from a bear because their actions are instinctual, but men are more advanced

I forgot to address this...

Women can defend themselves from men too. (i.e. awareness of signal of danger, avoidance and running being the best).

Are you implying that women can't defend themselves against men?

wtknight · 2024-11-26T01:27:23+00:00

I think that it really depends upon whether the man will be held accountable for his actions once they are outside of the forest. Social rules are what makes most men behave. so I don't think that most men are going to assault women in forests even if they are alone. And these rules exist, of course, not because most men have any real liking of random women, but because most men do not want their wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, etc. in danger from random men.

Xeltar · 2024-11-26T15:22:52+00:00

The question was an unknown man vs a bear. It should go without saying that if I could choose a man I already knew and trusted or a bear, then obviously I'd choose the man.

A bear will not have malicious intentions, a man could. In either case, I'd be very unlikely to fight off either physically without a weapon if they wanted to hurt me, so once that threshold is passed, it doesn't really matter. Bears often fear humans since the ones that don't are culled.

kingofgama · 2024-11-27T19:14:39+00:00

Totally depends on the type of bear.

alwaysright0 · 2024-11-26T06:20:47+00:00

The hilarious thing about man v bear is all the faux offence.

And the complete lack of awareness of how women are socialised, often by men.

Title	I choose the bear. As a man myself I know what men are capable of. Debate me
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Date	November 25, 2024 10:47 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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