Do you understand that you can't force women to lower their standard?

caption291 · 2024-12-13T14:37:21+00:00

Your own post implies that men's attraction is influenced by socialization...so why is women's attraction different?

MisterFunnyShoes · 2024-12-13T13:23:20+00:00

The idea attraction can’t be negotiated is axiomatic in TRP.

Whynotus048 · 2024-12-13T16:45:30+00:00

Man I wish more women would watch true Red Pill content and not all the click bait content or Black Pill doomer stuff and I think they would truly understand it better.

Red Pill basics come down to some core principles:

1.) Work on yourself, physique, financially, socially. Better yourself, this is rule number one without question. Don't be a fat slob loser basically.

2.) Women are attracted to certain traits, and modern society has taught men the opposite of those attraction queues. How to not listen to what society says and women are look at their actions and the guys they go for.

3.) How to hold frame in life and in your relationship, this includes what actions might mean she is not attracted to you, or what actions might mean she is ready to leave the relationship.

There are obviously lots of complaints men have about the dating scene in certain parts of the world, but that is not what Red Pill is. Red Pill tries to teach men how to better themselves so they have the best chance at attracting women, bettering their life, and keeping a relationship long term. That simple.

AreOut · 2024-12-13T13:15:51+00:00

umm, TRP is more about men realizing the truth and adapting to the situation not women changing their anything (which would be impossible anyway)

just_a_place · 2024-12-14T08:30:22+00:00

Uh, Duh! Yes, we understand this. 🤨

"Attraction is non-negotiable."
- The Red Pill

That's why we are NOT the ones advocating this nonsense. It's stupid ass incels and possibly the black pillers who have this retarded ass mentality of asking/demanding women that they change their sexuality just to accommodate them. Reality and biology just doesn't work that way. These are the same assholes who can't fathom that, if it was so easy to just "change what you're attracted to," then why don't they themselves just get attracted to fat or ugly chicks and boom! Problem solved!

Eastoss · 2024-12-13T14:06:48+00:00

Who told you "lowering women's standards" is part of the red pill? Because it sure isn't red pill's goal.

This is a debate sub, to debunk some stupid argument you need to explain people their perception is warped by their standards to begin with. Or that the state of the dating market isn't because "men are horny all the time" but also that women also have too high standards.

Some people also were raised by second/third wave feminism that told men that their standards were too high and that they needed to focus less on women's body, it's also sometimes natural of them to expect women didn't do their job of being up to their own standards, it can be interesting to point it out when you discuss the state of the current sexual market place.

chocobolamo · 2024-12-14T09:04:02+00:00

it isn't about forcing women to lower their standard. it's about raising men up about what women want.

Tren_troll · 2024-12-13T13:12:30+00:00

This is the true origin of "the bar is in hell" adage.

Yea of course you can't make someone change their standards, but their standards are so exclusive that they actually start to work to your advantage.

Looks, money and status are non-negotiable. Everything else is. If you pass the bar for looks, money and status, the bar for other things really is in hell. Despite the constant whining, they will even tolerate you not doing any chores around the house.

rustlerhuskyjeans · 2024-12-13T14:17:53+00:00

Red pill would say you’re not changing or forcing anything, it’s societal programming and embedded in women’s dna. It’s totally ridiculous to tell a woman don’t chase after her best options, that’s a natural instinct. Also, men don't care about single cat ladies, how would we find you if we don't know you already. We're fine that you want to be single, we know you exist, but you're not a relevant demo to men in general to discuss.

Men can still be observant and understand what they do to protect our own interests. Take women saying I only want guys 6ft or above. That’s like me saying I only date women in the top 15% of natural breast size, I would be messing up my potential at love with 85% of women, so I would never do that. To women to exclude based on a whole list of reasons is normal to them.

Women instead lack self awareness of chasing after rare men, and have this thought they are all high value and deserve a high value man. As guys we know it’s not going to work out for the majority of them, women date and most of the time get in temporary non exclusive relationships. They prob know the guy isn’t serious, they are just hoping he changes his mind, because women refuse to date average men. As a collective they are swiping right 1 in 20 times on dating apps, they are remarkably picky and usually choosing the same top 5-10% of universally attractive men.

Any average to above average woman only really wants men in the top 10%. Those are the men doing majority of casual dating. So if you care and want to, get in the top 10% of men and you’ll automatically have women chasing you and be drowning in pussy. Guys again think this is insane how willing women are to share men sexually, but the majority think a man with many options is a big turn on, there’s no changing it.

Once I find out she’s got 1-3 other men she’s juggling I refuse to take her seriously. Women’s hypergamous instincts kick in and see him as a challenge, she wants to be the one chosen. Women choose to date the guys that are the least likely to want an exclusive relationship with them. That’s the only reason women hate dating, they repeatedly don't get picked by the men they most desired. Men may point this out, but you can’t change it.

Proudvow · 2024-12-13T15:37:49+00:00

And no, it's not just because they have more options

You have no proof that's not it. These problems weren't highly observed in the 90s-2000s, even though women largely had economic, social, and reproductive freedom back then too. It was only after the popularization of dating apps in the early 2010s that pairing rates got much worse.

Slutty_Mudd · 2024-12-13T19:27:35+00:00

It's not about lowering women's standards, its about getting a guy's foot in the door. How many times have you heard a woman say "I rejected him at first" or "he's not my usual type". My fyp on Tiktok (I'm 23 give me a break) is literally filled with women doing a trend with their boyfriends about how she rejected him at first or ghosted him before they eventually got together and the guy is a little salty about it. It happens, a lot.

Those are the unrealistic standards, that's what we're talking about. Even then, I'm not saying you should drop your standards and go out with obvious incels or guys you are repulsed by, I'm saying maybe be a little more open to the first date. You still don't like that guy? Totally fine, you gave him a fair chance. But a lot of women will reject a guy for any number of small or ridiculous reasons. 3 of the 5 girls I have as friends do it regularly. I still remember one rejected a guy a year ago because his sleeve was wet. As he asked her out. After he got off work. She said she didn't want to hold his hand. Does that make any sense to you? Me neither.

Now, I know this isn't all women, obviously probably not even most, but it is becoming more and more common, to the point that there are now social media trends around it, and I think it's cutting off a lot of potential relationships for good men and women. I would be mortified if I initially rejected someone that would end up being my life partner. That would indicate to me that my ability to chose a potential partner is way out of whack.

EbbAltruistic1760 · 2024-12-13T19:31:05+00:00

Banning social media and dating apps would be a start.

Single best thing we could do to course-correct society. Needs done.

babazuki · 2024-12-13T13:37:08+00:00

How is "cat lady" an insult if women are OK being alone forever as you say? Your own words betray you.

An obvious fact that is accepted by someone cannot be used as an insult against them. How sensitive is this post? "Don't be mean to women by saying the truth 😥"

nightcall379 · 2024-12-13T15:43:49+00:00

Do you understand that you can't force women to lower their standard?

No one's talking about women lowering their standards, you're just making stuff up

The point is that women are lying about what they're actually attracted to

And the red pill is exposing their lies

And no, it's not just because they have more options, it's because the majority of them or ok being single forever and no amount of shaming or petty "cat lady" insults will ever change that?

Another lie

Women are never single

They're always basking in endless sexual/romantic attention from men

Schleudergang1400 · 2024-12-13T15:13:10+00:00

And no, it's not just because they have more options, it's because the majority of them or ok being single forever and no amount of shaming or petty "cat lady" insults will ever change that?

The majority of women ARE in committed relationships. So they MIGHT be okay being single, but they prefer being in relationships with men. And as the data shows, the overwhelming part of men ARE meeting their standards, no reason to lower it.

the reason is because men can't derive happiness or joy or purpose from anything other than their wives.

Have you looked at all of human history? Men are the inventors of purpose outside of family. Women are the ones focusing their purpose on nuturing a family. Men are FINE being single. It's the few incels who are not fine not having sex. It's a single digit percentage of men. Stop obsessing over that as if it was a general male thing. Most men are in committed relationships and most men who are single have no issue being single. Men, regardless of relationship status, tend to seek their purpose outside of their wife. Since forever.

None of this is to bash men, I'm a man myself, however it's a really harmful socialization.

What is it now? Socialization/cultural, or "men can't derive happiness or joy or purpose from anything other than their wives"? Since you are a man who writes stuff like that, are you one who can't derive happiness, joy or purpose from anything other than your wife?

Myagooshki2 · 2024-12-14T05:25:36+00:00

It causes women to lower their standards becsuse it makes them conscious of the things they don't want. Slut shaming has worked for centuries. We're realizing this again now.

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ThroneOfRust · 2024-12-14T21:22:32+00:00

the majority of them or ok being single forever

Not based on the way they talk. Many have given up but that's not the same as being "ok" with it.

it's not because men culturally place more value and getting women

Men culturally place more value on getting laid. Again, not the same thing.

ACE_Overlord · 2024-12-14T21:36:25+00:00

I am looksmaxxing to become the best version of me.

Once I achieve my goal, Im grabbing my passport to go look for a wife....per the taxicab theory.

funfacts_82 · 2024-12-16T10:02:38+00:00

The truth is i dont give a shit. If i see things i dont like or i think are dumb i will call it out. No amount of whining is gonna stop me.

Acceptable-Truck3803 · 2024-12-13T13:22:41+00:00

What’s this have to do with RP core beliefs ? Sure there are whiners within this subreddit but then again it’s not an RP belief.

catdog8020 · 2024-12-13T22:03:09+00:00

You are correct to a point and many studies back this up (women are ok with being single). Sex toy purchases have increased as well as women preferring shrimp tacos.

However, it is also (studies will report this phenomenon) that it is noted that women also have more choices in dating which is also contributing to this self-love narcissism women have because they can get chad for sex. Men would also do the same but really American women are not normal nowadays.

Very dystopian to see women not talking to men in bars and men not talking to women. Women eating with a group of female friends with no men. Men eating alone or with a group of men. Feminism also helped create this sci-fi horror environment in america when men are lined up at the door waiting until his turn which won’t come.

As men we really need to legalize prostitution in America or go to another county to find women. I used to be a democrat but now vote conservative because for the most part this movement and dystopian environment has also been created By the blue party.

Plazmatron44 · 2024-12-13T13:38:08+00:00

Fat women can be made to lower their standards if men start ignoring them.

Title	Do you understand that you can't force women to lower their standard?
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Date	December 13, 2024 12:59 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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