It's a popular argument I ran into a ton here. Women are just as horny if not more, masturbate just as much, are just as visual, they are very much into men and would love to have a lot of sex, it's just that they have to be afraid of rape/pregnancy/stigma, unlike men. So me, a man acting like men are somehow more "hungry" for it, more pained by a failure to get it, is offensive and ignores women's suffering.

Yea, so this almost sounds like women are even higher on the "tormented souls" scale. They badly want sex, but there's soooo much in their way to satisfaction, including men being selfish and not making her orgasm even when she does go through with an attempt. Sounds like they have it worse than men.

Except women collectively do not seem to have anywhere near the suffering due to no sexual satisfaction. Women in fact keep saying they find the idea of being tormented by that to be utterly laughable, and the least important type of suffering on the hierarchy of sufferings.

So something is clearly not there in women's internal experience of sexuality. Some type of "intensity" that makes men agonize like this.

Why even argue that it's just as intense and just as powerful of a drive and you want it just as bad and there are even more obstacles in your way to reach it... If you actually couldn't give less of a fuck about reaching it (which you take pride in)? Why even make it a competition? Like... this imo is one of the main reasons men argue that their sexuality is different and their desire is more intense to begin with, because they DO suffer like this and they wish women would think of them as less idiotic for that than they currently do.

At the end of the day, there is no evidence that men don't feel something "extra" compared to women (and that it's only that women have extra obstacles). Realistically, assuming that men's extra eagerness is real or at least keeping an open mind for that possibility is very reasonable imo.