Male Privilege

newspaper_nerd · 2015-04-19T16:08:55+00:00

I would like to see that graph updated with homelessness rate.

skatermario3 · 2015-04-19T17:09:13+00:00

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combatrex · 2015-04-19T17:19:55+00:00

Homocide?

hendawg98 · 2015-04-19T20:20:54+00:00

Well I mean it's just de facto that way more men joined the military and industrial jobs than women making it much more common to see men with the deaths

teruma · 2015-04-19T19:37:41+00:00

Im all for mens rights, but these graphs are oversimplifications of more complex metrics and leave out information that puts everything in prospective.

I'm not at all suggesting the point isnt valid, but I do think the infographic doesnt do much to support it.

Edit: spelling error

Wargame4life · 2015-04-19T16:00:54+00:00

3% of combat deaths are women jesus christ we need to do more to protect and help violence against women, remember HEforSHE!!!! women are primary victims of combat deaths,because they are a statistical minority, and with being a minority they are hence oppressed by being a minority.

cake sale against women combat deaths at 11:00pm lets end injustice

SigmaK78 · 2015-04-20T05:35:18+00:00

Know what?

I fought for custody of my son and got it. Why? Because his mother was an addict and I had more than enough evidence. And I STILL went through hell to get that done. It was worth it, and honestly giving a nice big FUCK YOU to the double standard in the system was extremely satisfying.

As a combat vet, If a woman can physically and mentally handle the job on the front line, let her. To me, it's one of the truest test of equality. And I do know women who will fight and die. Some of them I would trust to watch my back.

Yes, men kill themselves at a disturbingly higher rate than women. Why?

BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T BULLSHITTING WHEN THEY SAID THEY WANTED TO DIE!!!

How many times are men told to suck it up? Get over it? Man up? Stop being weak? What are women being told? In this case, the male privilege is to have little to no outlets to deal with issues, meanwhile women have the privilege of being reminded that since biologically they're more valuable than men, then society must ensure they have as many outlets as possible. Just claiming you tried to kill yourself counts as attempted suicide, so I'm sick of feminist even trying to argue this one. At times, I seriously question if feminist even give a shit. Because despite what feminist claim, they're just as much apart of the problem.

Ventorpoe · 2015-04-19T20:43:35+00:00

I love a good ol' cherry picking.

mollywop · 2015-04-19T20:26:24+00:00

But doesn't this all come from the same source? We all participate in a flawed system. Men aren't allowed to show their emotions or talk about their feelings, and they're under pressure to be $uccessful providers. This may make them more susceptible to suicide. Women open up more and are able to show their feelings and talk to their support system, but these traits are seen as weak. Women are seen as more nurturing and made for baby making = society's bias in custody battles. But these same "rights" for both genders screw the other over. The same logic that says women are better at rearing children and celebrating their sensitivity and "softness" creates bias towards them in the working world. It means they don't get hired for those dangerous labor jobs or put on the front lines, while men are seen as less valuable and tough so they fill the spots. In GWS when learning about feminism, it was never "men have it better". It was how both men and women, you and me, participate in a system where these beliefs and biases screw both parties. Royally, in many cases. The first step is to be aware of your participation in this system to make changes in the right direction. If a women's rights subreddit exists, they could make a poster just as believable and rage inducing as this with different stats. I wish there was some mutual movement to bring everyone together...

azithel · 2015-04-19T16:49:50+00:00

+1 for sources listed directly

jubili · 2015-04-20T03:01:58+00:00

Surely more women would kill themselves if only they felt empowered enough to do so.

schrodingerspenguin · 2015-04-19T16:41:49+00:00

In terms of suicides, men have higher rates because they often choose more lethal methods than women, like a gun or hanging, that unfortunately complete the act.

I'm not sure about the rates of attempted suicide in each gender, and have no clue how close or far that might be. I just wish the choice of lethal methods weren't the case so that more men would survive to receive the help and support they need.

mounty194 · 2015-04-19T18:09:02+00:00

Less women are put in the front lines. Not their fault, since it's male-derived policy.

Less women are raised toward working in industrial jobs.

Most men don't fight hard enough for custody, hence the skewed figure.

Men tend to be more likely involved in gang-related activities and violent crime.

Men use more effective means of suicide.

These figures mean nothing without context. While I was a marine, our male commanders didn't really let women be placed in harms way even though they wanted to see some action.

djtofuu · 2015-04-20T00:03:22+00:00

Don't forget men are more likely to get genetic mutations because they only need the off chance one x chromosome changes whereas women need both to mutate

Siosaysevolve · 2015-04-19T18:17:02+00:00

For homicides in which the victim to offender relationship could be identified, 93 percent of female victims nationwide were murdered by a male they knew. Of the victims who knew their offenders, 62 percent were wives, common-law wives, ex-wives, or girlfriends of the offenders.

silvermeltdown · 2015-04-19T18:54:28+00:00

can anyone site the sources please? I honestly can't see them.

It would help me a lot thxx

NickCageFan1 · 2015-04-19T20:42:29+00:00

Yes, all of these can be put in context to make them seem less severe. But so can most statistics claiming oppression of women. That's the point. Without context, you can make statistics say just about anything, but that doesn't mean they underline actually inequalities.

Dr_Designo · 2015-04-19T20:59:21+00:00

A friend of mine worked his ass off for 30 years building an international business. One day his wife of 25 years told him that she wanted a divorce and took his house, his kids, both of their vacation properties, half of his money, and got a monthly payment for life. She never worked a moment in the business. As long as this type of thing happens, there will never be equality.

Sapphireonice · 2015-04-19T16:24:40+00:00

Perhaps it's just that I spend waaaay too much time on Reddit, but I get the feeling I've seen this multiple times before in different shades. It's still very good, mind you, but part of me wishes that we could have another one with things like length of sentencing for similar crimes, no. of false rape cases etc.

vaselinepete · 2015-04-19T17:20:33+00:00

I'd love it if just one of the many people who repost this could fix the damn spelling.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2015-04-19T18:31:17+00:00

Maybe feminists have a point.

Male privilege isn't fair.

These privileges should be shared with women.

No doubt feminists will support default shared custody, quotas to get more women in to the most dangerous fields, and greater legal protections for men to cut down on their murder rate.

Yes?

sincerely_ignatius · 2015-04-19T20:18:57+00:00

couldn't the idea (or something similar) that males are more aggressive explain more homicides, combat deaths, and custody?

And why does it make sense to link deaths to custody?

idkmybffdrillorsmthn · 2015-04-19T21:25:29+00:00

I just registered to say this. Maybe someone will read it? I don't know.

I'm a woman. I think that men and women have equal worth in society, so I don't know if that makes me a "feminist" or not. Your call. I've been lurking on Reddit for a few years, reading things like this infographic, reading stories from mostly men -- young and old -- on different Ask Reddit topics and other subreddits. In short, I agree with this. There are a lot of things in society (child custody, for example) that are completely unfairly set up against men. If someone (me, another guy, etc) tries to engage a conversation about this to another person (typically a woman, or one of my crazy feminazi friends), they will prattle on about the patriarchy, "cis-gender boring white guys", and use a bunch of shitty stereotypes to back up their reasoning. So, you get nowhere.

There are a lot of things that go on everyday that are unjust to men, women, children, different races, etc. Everyone's got something shitty that their "group" has to deal with. That's just the way it is. Unfortunately (and fortunately?), the Internet allows people from said groups to gather together and have a huge bitchfit over certain things. They can analyze things, come up with excuses.... think Tumblr feminists. They can easily come together, pick someone or a group of people to be an enemy, and bitch and moan about it forever instead of doing something to change it.

I don't want to do that. I have friends in my life who from all different places and all different types of people, so I appreciate the differences that someone brings to the table. Although my crazy feminist friends have said, "Men have it so easy"; "Men have been dominating long enough" "blahblahblah", that's not true at all. Why should the men of today pay for the things the men of the past did? Does a current generation really need to pay for the sins of their ancestors? No. I guess just keep on keepin' on. You've got one supporter here.

tobiasnash · 2015-04-19T22:55:39+00:00

*homicide

srtor · 2015-04-20T00:05:13+00:00

Sticky post this. Everyone should see this.

j3zuz00 · 2015-04-20T00:41:21+00:00

Higher Quality

Doriphor · 2015-04-20T05:29:08+00:00

Is homocide what I think it is or is it misspelled?

CosmicCatLady · 2015-04-19T21:59:08+00:00

Woman here, and this graph makes me sad, very much so about the custody part. There are so many great fathers out there!

Zer0flames · 2015-04-19T19:27:36+00:00

Jesus fucking Christ, Reddit. How does horseshit like this keep making it onto /r/all?

Over_Here_Boy · 2015-04-19T22:39:18+00:00

The bottom one hits home for me.

jordanleite25 · 2015-04-20T02:47:03+00:00

Men have always carried the burden of society. Soldiers, garbage-men, construction workers. I'd say 90% of the essential duties of society are carried out by men besides child birth obviously and home care. These higher pressure, high stress, and physically exhausting professions have consequences.

But then they'll argue that there aren't enough CEO's and that women's pay is lower than men's. You know, for the jobs they actually want.

TechnoSam_Belpois · 2015-04-19T19:04:03+00:00

Glad to see this as the top post. Someone else linked to a conversation elsewhere on reddit where someone claimed that "MRAs don't care about real problems men face" and that they should visit this sub if they want to dive into a pool of filth. So anyone who took them up on that would have seen this post, which shows that you guys do care.

kinyutaka · 2015-04-19T20:30:54+00:00

See, shitlord! You're hogging all the fun stuff like combat, and saddling us with the kids!

AnimatedSnake · 2015-04-19T20:39:54+00:00

Though I agree on the principle of the graph, this does seem like a: Who have it toughest-award.

Super tumblr-ish.

theovertaker · 2015-04-19T22:49:35+00:00

And aren't there more women in our population than men

eifer · 2015-04-19T21:25:49+00:00

Well based on those statistics, it would make sense to give the kids to the mother.

Synackaon · 2015-04-19T22:32:37+00:00

It's homicide dammit! Homicide! Two 'I's!

Instead it looks like men are the majority when it comes to killing gays.

Would it have killed you to do a spellcheck before doing a post worthy of /r/AdviceAnimals?

it_turns_out · 2015-04-19T23:07:32+00:00

This is not a good post:

It's so tiny, you can't read the sources.
One of the few words that you can read is misspelled.

Couple that with it being a repost/rehash, and this post shouldn't be getting significant upvotes.

Somebody else in the comments said that they got here via /r/all. When a post from this sub gets that sort of visibility, it should be high quality. Instead, it's this post, which makes it easy to quickly repudiate /r/MensRights if you already inclined to do so.

PushitClaw · 2015-04-20T11:55:14+00:00

In this case I'd give custody to the woman too. That man is gonna be dead by the end of the week

GayManLoveIsOK · 2015-04-20T12:44:10+00:00

i was reading this, thinking, hmmm, that makes sense, why give custody to the ones dieing the most...so do womensrights have something of their own?

SuperSulf · 2015-04-19T19:01:16+00:00

Not normally a fan of this subreddit but this, this is very interesting.

K5WCAXmGVn · 2015-04-20T03:10:25+00:00

Slightly higher resolution version.

LiteweightPhenomenal · 2015-04-20T04:02:37+00:00

I was just thinking a couple hours ago about the term "white male privlidge". They always say driving is a privlidge not a right because it can be taken away from you. I don't see how the term privlidge applies. I do however believe it should be respected like a privlidge & not abused.

GreasedLightning · 2015-04-20T05:26:16+00:00

I'm privileged with a quicker death. It's all I'd hope for considering how goddamn stupid some people are to think I'm privileged.

crimeariver0 · 2015-04-20T07:56:02+00:00

Calfs must have more space when traveling to an abattoir than a human on an airplane. But to be fair we're going on holiday, they're getting death.

elonc · 2015-04-20T12:13:48+00:00

this infographic is pretty bias and over simplistic of a more complex subject. I hope no one is dumb enough to use this to support their position on men's rights. It will only make you look like a jack ass.

imjustsayintho · 2015-04-20T12:26:25+00:00

I agree with a majority of posts in this thread, however this is really idiotic.

If you just pick and choose the categories that males "excel" in, you're not making a very strong point.

anihilistlol · 2015-04-25T08:55:34+00:00

As pointed out by numerous comments, most of these statistics are useless. Let's not fall into the feminist trap of misusing data.

Oakley-Guy15 · 2015-04-19T19:47:55+00:00

How does this equate to men's rights?

iamnotfromtexas90 · 2015-04-19T20:18:55+00:00

They'll say it's "patriarchy." EVERYTHING is blamed on patriarchy. With this strategy, they can claim to win every argument and debate.

iwasboredsoyeah · 2015-04-19T18:21:59+00:00

since guys have a higher rate of death isn't it better for women to have the kids then?

ThomSnake · 2015-04-19T20:35:08+00:00

Seems pretty awful being a man. How many men here would choose being female if they could?

falshami · 2015-04-20T07:53:25+00:00

well with those statistics id give the kids to the spouse most likely to make it through the day without dieing too!

this is a joke fellas just a heads up

TheHeckWithItAll · 2015-04-19T20:55:55+00:00

Well if males have such high death rates, then child custody going to females makes sense. All other things being equal, the best interest of the child is the stability of being with the parent who isn't going to die early.

Jeester · 2015-04-19T21:18:45+00:00

Well if they keep dying then who's going to take care of the kids? /TongueInCheek

Man_Roland · 2015-04-19T23:02:00+00:00

of course and this makes us a bad guy bc we fight for YOUR freedom women.

royalstaircase · 2015-04-20T01:19:12+00:00

I don't understand the juxtaposition of these statistics. Of course a woman is going to win custody if the related man has died.

SirGingerBeard · 2015-04-20T03:01:13+00:00

The first two on the left are sort of bullshit though. Of course male deaths in combat are going to be higher, 99% of people who see combat are male. And way more men work factory jobs than women, so it's skewed too. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying why use skewed samples for this kind of a thing when there are plenty of other things to use where there are an equal amount of men and women?

Like someone said cancer rates. That's one.

And don't down vote me just because it goes against the grain here, I still believe agree with nearly 100% of stuff posted here. I just think the more we skew shit like this to fit our agenda, the more it makes us like the other end of the spectrum.

cootieshot · 2015-04-19T22:58:47+00:00

More like /r/forwardsfromgrandpa

liquorIsFUN · 2015-04-20T00:24:47+00:00

I feel like a feminist made this.

HarlequinForestFairy · 2015-04-20T14:31:23+00:00

You MRA's are missing the fucking point. Both genders suffer because of the patriarchy. Period.

giveitago · 2015-04-20T01:21:08+00:00

Of the 80% of male suicides, how many of them are committed by men? I’m thinking 80% but I’m still working out the numbers. Of the 76% male homicides, how many those of committed by men and of the 24% of female homicides, how many of those are committed by men? I think you’ll find that beyond environmental concerns dead man are an almost exclusively male on male problem.

ColinOnReddit · 2015-04-19T23:42:08+00:00

So people who work and die more often should have custody? Sorry. Not the best argument men's rights could make. The message is just too muddy.

imhotze · 2015-04-19T21:57:50+00:00

No one is saying there aren't bad things about being men. Well, I mean, except the straw men you invent.

Fucked up gender roles cut both ways. They cut more against women, but that doesn't mean men are immune.

CopyX · 2015-04-20T03:22:22+00:00

40% of murdered women are killed by their partners.

pineappleglory · 2015-04-19T22:20:50+00:00

Doesn't it make sense that you'd give the kid to the parent less likely to die prematurely?

bogidyboy · 2015-04-19T16:37:14+00:00

I'm not saying this is "wrong", per se. But people can use statistics to prove just about any damn thing you want. Let's say there's a small town that has a small homosexual population and a low crime rate, and one day someone who HAPPENS to be gay kills someone. And 8 years later another person who happens to be gay kills someone, and those were the only 2 murders in that town

"100% of the murders in this town were committed by homosexuals". It doesn't take into account it only happened twice, nor that they were 8 years apart

mindbleach · 2015-04-19T20:17:45+00:00

As ever, I must point out the majority of suicide attempts are by women, but men tend to use more effective means. The rate of suicidal depression is much less gender-imbalanced than death alone can convey.

meow-- · 2015-04-20T00:12:16+00:00

And that's just the beginning, folks.

deepsoulfunk · 2015-04-20T08:02:52+00:00

How many men commit violent crimes?

RavenholmWoodworking · 2015-04-19T17:29:05+00:00

Women are the true victims of war since they have to take care of the children alone. ...they sure do love that full custody when they don't have to take it.

jasiones · 2015-04-19T17:51:57+00:00

Oh this again? Yea some of those are taken place in male dominated areas, so the perspective is a little skewed. If you have 100 workers and only 5 of them are female, chances are any workplace accident will happen to a male.

Zzqnm · 2015-04-19T21:08:37+00:00

Only thing that bothers me about this is that the suicide statistic appears to be based on SUCCESSFUL suicide rates. Women attempt about as many suicides as men, but their less lethal methods results in fewer actual deaths.

panda-est-ici · 2015-04-19T21:23:31+00:00

cherrypicking

niklaskronwalled · 2015-04-19T16:46:24+00:00

Show this any time anyone ever bitches about the wage gap. Proof that men work more physically risky jobs and therefore deserve higher pay.

meanoregongreen · 2015-04-19T17:05:32+00:00

The murder statistic is stupid because the majority of murders are committed by men.

2015-04-19T21:01:09+00:00

I would like to see also who is doing all the crimes against men vs who is doing them to women as a percent of gender. Throw LGBT in there, too.

edit: I bet 85% of all that violence is done by men.

masgrada · 2015-04-19T17:43:33+00:00

Did you switch color representation in the title vs body on purpose?

Oatout · 2015-04-19T22:00:03+00:00

I wouldn't give the kids to me neither. We're dropping like flies

tccl3 · 2015-04-20T00:55:57+00:00

why should men get custody they are far more likely to die.

lol /jk

Disasterbaiter · 2015-04-19T17:51:26+00:00

I'm all about men's rights but what does getting killed/ committing suicide have to do with getting custody? Wouldn't it make more sense for the parent with custody to be the one less likely to die?

GroundhogExpert · 2015-04-19T17:52:49+00:00

You don't get it! That's not what privilege means. It's about how people in society will automatically treat you like an adult, and how they like totally look down at me for saying vapid shit and turning every conversation into a debate about sociology, which they like clearly know nothing about. /s* I guess it was too subtle.

soundsaboutWRIGHT · 2015-04-19T20:51:43+00:00

Why is suicide rate on here? What has that got to do with privilege? Spoiled rich kids kill themselves bc they're depressed. Depression is not a factor in privilege. This graphic doesn't say why these people die. People die from acting unsafe on the job, does that mean their not privileged? And homicide rate? They've done studies that show that men are naturally more inclined to participate in risky behavior. So women don't put themselves in situations where they might be killed (gang violence, etc). I'm not saying there is or isn't any white male privilege, I'm saying this graphic doesn't provide much real supporting information for privilege. Try adding incarnation rate with a guilty verdict. I'm sure that would show a higher rate in men. That's actually TRPs main point for arguing male privilege and it's a pretty meaningful statistic.

Ducky_Mcgee · 2015-04-19T18:16:23+00:00

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that_nagger_guy · 2015-04-19T21:13:04+00:00

How many times is this going to be reposted?

fandette88 · 2015-04-19T19:04:36+00:00

Isnt the majority of victims killed by guys? Also for workplace deaths arent blue collar jobs mostly guys? Its not like 5 women get crushed under a steel beam and five men get crushed and death goes...nah Ill just take the dudes.

StormMFeel · 2015-04-19T17:49:37+00:00

...And? The point of this is, what excactly?

rtscaptain · 2015-04-19T17:49:12+00:00

In a funny way it makes sense based off this graph. Guys are just a lot more likely to die so giving custody to the woman makes sense.

boradin · 2015-04-19T16:14:07+00:00

It always bothered me that in this infographic, women are represented by blue.

delusionalLnightLong · 2015-04-19T23:20:20+00:00

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Plantbitch · 2015-04-19T22:02:10+00:00

Maybe you'd get the kids if so many of you weren't killing, being killed, and killing yourselves all the time?

I kid, I kid, I know an equal amount of unfit mothers as I do fathers.

SantoCO · 2015-04-19T18:36:19+00:00

So this is better for children that they go with females...men are dead and not around right?

Ninebythreeinch · 2015-04-19T17:40:35+00:00

Women have it too easy. The should actually pay more tax. They should also pay higher in insurance as they use medical facilities more often.

natephant · 2015-04-19T20:02:26+00:00

Well the women must win custody because the courts realize the man is very likely to die soon.

tigerslices · 2015-04-19T20:59:44+00:00

of Course they get custody, all the males keep dying!

10deepinyourgirl · 2015-04-19T21:33:44+00:00

Why is this so fucking low resolution?!

MooFz · 2015-04-19T21:44:13+00:00

Not that weird men don't win custody if they keep dying! /s

HilariousMax · 2015-04-19T22:48:41+00:00

Of course they get custody, judging from that graphic the men are all dead.

Youthinkyouresosmart · 2015-04-20T02:27:40+00:00

"Women are clearly not disadvantaged; look at all these existing biases and segregation." As if women created the social norms on their own.

These discrepancies which are established by long existing gender roles and norms, mostly by committees of men.

Women don't fight on the front lines to prevent capture of female soldiers because they tend to be raped by opposing forces. Rules established by congress and leaders of the armed forces which were and still are predominantly men.

Industrial jobs are predominantly held by men. During WWII many women held such jobs due the shortage of labor as man were sent overseas to fight but the moment the war ended, men and women quickly returned to their "traditional roles".

Women tend to be favored in custody cases because the stereotype is women are more nurturing and therefore the mother's role in raising a child is more crucial. Be honest, which gender has been screaming for "traditional" families, while a whole generation of the other gender has been trying to break these gender roles?

All forms of discrimination sucks. Don't get me wrong, but look at some fucking context. We aren't allowed to bitch about the unfairness of society when, historically, we held all the cards and made all the rules about gender roles for the past 400 years. We told them to stay at home, watch the kids, don't fight in wars, hold only certain jobs, don't be aggressive, and now we have the fucking nerve to complain about how unfair it all is? This is so fucking stupid. Women weren't even allowed to vote until 1919 in the US. Historically, women didn't even have laws to protect their rights to divorce or even own land.

Sanhael · 2015-04-19T22:37:35+00:00

Are you... are you seriously taking disproportionate death and injury rates as a sign of mens' rights being infringed?

Fewer women die in combat because they aren't allowed in combat roles. Most of the women I know already consider this unfair.

Fewer women are involved in industrial accidents because fewer women are employed in dangerous industries. If you could find applicant data relevant to how many jobs are actually held by women, I'd be interested in seeing that. It's nice to know that more women having limbs and faces ripped off by heavy machinery would make you happy.

76% of murder victims are men? Well, don't blame women, who comprise only 10% of murderers in the United States according to the FBI.

Men, categorically, keep women out of these fields. Men, generally speaking, earn the money, and women, generally speaking, run the household and raise the children. There are exceptions. There are also exceptions to women getting custody of the kids in the event of a divorce.

Sutarmekeg · 2015-04-20T00:04:23+00:00

Homocide... that's a pretty fucked up crime.

j3zuz00 · 2015-04-20T14:05:44+00:00

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douchebag_investor · 2015-04-22T09:44:49+00:00

ITT: more victims than a rape clinic in India

2015-04-20T00:25:38+00:00

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GenderNeutralLanguag · 2015-04-19T15:43:19+00:00

I've got to call bull shit on this one. It's comparing two unlike things. There are not simple enough connection between custody and combat deaths to make a good comparison in an info graphic.

My suggestion is replace the Child Custody with the line "Therefore Violence against WOMEN is the real problem"

p_prometheus · 2015-04-19T16:01:44+00:00

I'm not an MRA, but you guys know what you need to do, don't you? You need to start a war. A civil war for no particular reason would be good enough. That'd break the structure of your society enough that pussies will really have to live like pussies.

Title	Male Privilege
Author	j3zuz00
Upvotes	4670
Comments	536
Date	April 19, 2015 2:27 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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