I hear guys talk a lot about how women are loved just for being them, and that men are only loved for what they can do, and that this somehow makes men the more moral sex.
I am not denying that men care less about certain things, but certainly our love has conditions.
Just as women may not want a man that has not accomplished anything, without ambition, without success — men often do not want to date anyone they think is unattractive full stop. That is the condition
Many fail to empathize with the experiences of unattractive women.
Even setting attractiveness aside, our love still has many conditions — that we have reasonable access to sex, that our partner doesn’t cheat, if open that they tell us, if they cheat that they don’t do it again, if they do it again not with a friend.
If one accepts all the previous, it is hard for them to gain respect. Any man that puts up with that (loves unconditionally) would be labeled a beta male cuck simp (unattractive). Wouldn’t a women be too? If a women is constantly getting cheating on disrespected, not taken care of, why should she stay to prove her love?
I understand in sickness in health, and that people experience hard times, but every male and female has a bare minimum entry point, and a ultimate breaking point. Those without one are rarely respect and often used.
Just want to note that outside of the cheating thing both sexes have conditions, and this varies from person to person. A car, a job, a degree, a house, sexual experience, a low n count, a good reputation, no addictions, no stds, an aura of femininity, etc
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That is a condition regardless. Pregnancy takes a huge toll on a woman and it's so childish of men and not to mention selfish that instead of expressing gratitude at such a monumental change for her to go through for your child you critcize her not looking the same.
No woman wants to marry a man who she thinks loves her only for him to resent her after she has his kids. It's honestly a main point of why I will never have children its a horrible amount of disrespect.
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No I admit that even the women who do lose the weight are still met with that stigma.
Also if the first thing you tell your wife after she had and is caring for a baby is " you need to lose weight" , never get someone pregnant ever. Especially cuz I guarantee you are not looking in the mirror at yourself first, that's abusive. Expecting your wife to look the exact same is insane.
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This is the misogynistic attitude that causes a lot of women anxiety about ever commiting or having kids with a man. If you think this is acceptable you are apart of the problem. A woman carries a child for 9 months and gives birth and the only concern right away is she's not "hot" ?
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That is not the point of my comment, It was in relation to the fact that a lot of women do not want to have kids even if they desire being a mother because men disrespect their wives after they have kids so much. Anyways enjoy !
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"On the day of Adams' operation to repair a damaged tendon in his knee - suffered while on a coaching training camp - many staff at the hospital in Lyon were on strike.
His operation still went ahead, with the anaesthetist looking after eight patients, including Adams, at the same time. Adams was supervised by a trainee, who later said: "I was not up to the task I was entrusted with."
Between the anaesthetist and trainee, numerous errors were made, causing Adams to suffer a cardiac arrest and brain damage. It wasn't until the mid-1990s that the anaesthetist and trainee were punished - a one-month suspended sentence and a 750 euro fine. Adams was discharged from hospital after 15 months and had been cared for at home in Nimes by his wife, Bernadette, ever since."
She cared for him for nineteen years until he quietly passed.
I'd call that pretty unconditional. There are many such stories. More of cheaters and assholes, but... humanity isn't one unit.
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