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5 years, are they still under like 23? If not I'd be worried that he's not serious in the first place if he hasn't proposed and spends his money on sex chats.

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Really feel like I'm losing my mother.

She's never been the sharpest tack, but recently I've struggled to even have a simple conversation with her.

I try to call every week to update her on my life. Today's discussion was a nightmare. Told her about how I had my annual review at work, and successfully pushed for a raise of £5k.

Her response: "Why would you take a job that only pays £5000? That's very low!"

No mum; I got A RAISE of £5000.

"But what will you do?! £5000 isn't enough to pay your bills, you can't live on that!"

It took about five minutes of explaining before she finally understood.

She's only 69, and just recently renewed her life insurance so got all the tests for dementia - no sign of it, so say the doctors.

She just can't seem to follow anything I say any more. Bizarre.

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I saw a bald eagle on my drive this morning, birds are amazing. I watched that Netflix show on their mating dances and was blown away. I rooted for them each time. 🤣

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Humility? That was the best job I ever had. Make sub sandwiches and goof around while people got high in the freezer.

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Well, I'm sure one could probably understand why a given marriage failed without as much bias as you propose. Maybe understand why many marriages fail. But it would indeed be hard to really work up population statistics at that level of resolution. Each marriage is its own world.

I'm getting more pessimistic about these things, anyways. I'm starting to think that technology has just changed the game. The old ways don't work anymore and/or we don't want them. Either way, it's past the point of no return. And the real truth is that we don't know what is next. One can list all the critical problems that the old ways solved, and all the expected problems that are cropping up again because we abandoned the old paradigm. One can talk all day about how dangerous or critical these issues are.

But the truth of this is it doesn't matter. Everyone knows that we are in mess right now, but there is no alternative. The old ways are gone. There is no going back. Meanwhile, we have no alternative yet for addressing the age old issues. We are searching. But reminding everyone how bad the mess is won't necessarily make us find a new model any faster. We find it when we find it. We have passed the point of no return and are into undiscovered territory. That's just how it is.

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Sure. I have no doubt that simply not being suited sexual monogamy, especially in today's age of temptation, is the true cause of many divorces. But I doubt that is really the case in anything like the majority. Women, in particular, do not seem to cheat very often just out of a raw need for sexual novelty.

Men do that a lot more. But in a lot of cases, there is still something behind the male cheating, too.

I suppose, at the end of the day, each marriage is a unique story, as is its end. The real underlying cause is similar to the issue with trying to pair up 90% of adults for marriage in the first place. Life long monogamy, especially as lives go longer, is just against human nature. Just as society had to work very hard against human instincts to pair up such a wide percentage of adults in the first place, it also had to work very hard to keep them together. Take away those intense cultural and economic pressures and instincts will exert their natural influence in countless ways. It's just human nature.

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This is an interesting question:

Ex #1: You cannot fix a relationship by communicating if the other person doesn't want to hear you out. Physical intimacy is much better in a relationship. (My first kiss was a random dude because I just wanted to have kissed someone so badly. I did not enjoy it. In contrast, even just flirting with my ex was super intense because I liked him.) A relationship does not mean your world has to revolve around them. It's okay to rely on people.

Ex #2: You cannot change the fundamental character of people or hope for them to change, you have to meet people where they are. Men who genuinely care about you will respect your boundaries. You should be upfront about your needs and not be afraid of asking.

General Things:

I did not sleep with either of my exes, which I'm glad for. I think I'll wait until I'm really sure about the guy. I want to make sure my first few experiences are genuinely good and I feel comfortable.

If a guy likes you, he will lock you down ASAP, and he will want to show you off. Both of my exes did this, so my standards in terms of showing affection and commitment are pretty high?

For me personally, I prefer it when the guy has the dominant role in the relationship, so I've become more trad as I've dated.

A good partner wants to see you succeed and wants to see you at your best.

I'm pretty high maintenance emotionally and otherwise, but I think most guys are willing to meet your needs as long as you show genuine appreciation and care. I think my exes put up with my neediness and demands because I was genuinely affectionate and loving towards them (compliments, lots of affection, showing interest in their interests, etc)

I need an intellectual connection to form an LTR. It's my one non-negotiable standard.

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Subpar doesn't imply terrible.

"You cannot fix a relationship by communicating if the other person doesn't want to hear you out." This was referring to how my ex was quite emotionally abusive at times. I spent a lot of time and energy trying to tell him why what he was doing was wrong, but he didn't want to listen. When I tried to leave him, he tried to kill himself and I had to talk him down from it. (He called me as he was on the train tracks.) I didn't want to get into abusive aspects of it. Too much energy. " A relationship does not mean your world has to revolve around them." This is referring to how I felt like I had to cater to his every whim.

I wanted to include a balanced assessment of my relationships, so I included the good and the bad. I didn't give you context for the lessons though.

My second ex and I got along really well, but I think we were better of as friends, and he had a tendency to say very awkward things that made me feel uncomfortable. Hence the "meeting people where they're at."

Edit: I dumped both of my exes. I think overall, the experiences were okay? The trauma from relationship one took a while to get over, but I also learned a lot from them. I think my issue was dating younger guys who are generally less mature and stable. I'm gonna date slightly older, and wait till I have my baggage figured out as well.

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So in your first relationship it sounds like you were codependent then? Because you said you're hella needy as well. I think it's important to note that if you do take a TON of emotional energy to date you aint gonna attract many chill guys. You'll attract more guys like me who have no chill at all. And while threatening to off yourself is a bit more crazy than the normal, it's a function of both who you are and who you attract. That was something i had to learn myself; my personality type attracts a certain type of girl and it's incumbent on me to figure out if I'm okay with that or if i should stay single or hope for a rare instance where someone i attract isn't my typical.

The second relationship, it sounds like you weren't really attracted to him.

he had a tendency to say very awkward things that made me feel uncomfortable

Can you give me an example? I mean no one is smooth 100% of the time lol. I feel like this is one of those examples where you're looking for an excuse to end things subconsciously so you break up over chewing with his mouth open or whatever lol.

I think your conclusion isn't a bad one, you said you were 20 right? Yeah, maybe stick to guys in grad school or recently graduated college, like 22-26 range or something for a bit.

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To be fair, though most of the problem with men is likely culture driven, some of it may be biological. That is the part that is more distressing.

Some thinkers have put forth the idea that the average woman is just more biologically adapted to the world technology is creating than men are. Everything from maturing more quickly to take more advantage of your education years to being more risk averse and operating more cooperatively are well adapted. Similarly, more conscientiousness and the ability to do boring repetitive tasks, while be less tempted and impacted by addictive behavior all are female advantages.

Meanwhile, except in a few right-tail men (whom we always need), the male need for risk taking, adventure, risk etc. is often counterproductive, or at the least cannot really be satiated. Male physical strength is less needed. Aggressiveness and the protection instinct are less necessary, too. And can get you into trouble. Men's 'Captain of the Ship' leadership styles are less useful, again, except in some still critical but also rare areas.

So there is a chance that even if we balance out the culture, women may continue to outperform men at the median. And given female hypergamy, this makes for really bad gender relations math.

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I don’t care about male sexlessness in that I am not going to offer myself or be the main proponent of suggesting women to “let penises enter her” just because.

But I do acknowledge that male sexlessness or men not getting sex willingly from women usually leads to anarchy in some regard.

Though it’s not always “sexlessness” that causes wayward groups of men.

United States Institute of Peace conducted research on why youth join xyz terrorist orgs.

Each region had different reasons.

al-Qaeda - religion, sense of purpose, chauvinism, deep resentment towards the west
Boko Haram - unbearable poverty and unemployment are leading causes

When I think of gangs in America I don’t think of “sexless forum dwellers.” I think of young men from poverty and violent environs seeking brotherhood, masculine role models, a sense of belonging, purpose, and identity. So similar to the above.

However, also in the west it seems the rise of terroristic incels or even the most enraged alt-righters seems to be a result of feeling unsexed and unworthy of female interest. Those don’t seem to be the biggest drivers for al-Qaeda and Boko Haram or low income gangs for example.

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It's not the only driver. Men are complex. That said, it isn't only about sex. It's about having relationships with women. Creating a family, etc.

Again, some things may be different nowadays given technology. And maybe the sexlessness rate will organically plateau for reasons unknown at a rate that is high historically but still functional today. Still, as a single metric, it is an alarmingly accurate red flag for sever societal problems and collapse.

This fact above all else may have been the reason for the enforced monogamy social model. And it did entail a sever curtailing of female sexual selectivity. I do get that it is possible that one reasons many women refuse to acknowledge the issue is an intuitive understanding that this problem and female sexual selectivity are at irreconcilable loggerheads. And this time, come hell of high water, these women want female sexual selectivity to come out the victor in the contest. They are not suicidal, of course. But their contention is that necessity is the mother of invention. Only if society faces extreme pressure from male sexlessness while enforced monogamy is totally off the table will it come up with an alternative. Essentially, we either took the easy way out before; or it was required before, but with greater technology we can now find other options if pushed hard enough.

At least that is one of my hypotheses. A high stakes game of sexual strategy chicken may ensue. And if those women playing it win, I hope to god there is another viable model.

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If a man can feel less “manly” because of XYZ, isn’t that highlighting the precariousness or fragility of the thing?

No, because it's something that is actually happening. It would be one thing if people didn't respond to said man differently but emasculation has an effect on how everyone else perceives said man. Its not just happening in his head.

My point is there isn’t a female equivalent to “emasculation.”

That's because women are basically already seen as emasculated men. If you're already at the bottom, you can't go lower than that.

Although, I'd beg to differ because women's version is the opposite. Being masculine as a woman is not well received and women avoid trying to look or seem masculine.

IMO, That’s an insight into how masculinity is seemingly more fragile. Fragile = difficult to maintain and showcase

Well no, again, this is usually already dealing with insecure people. Masculinity itself is not innately fragile because it only exists as a concept. The mere definition of masculinity itself is "fragile" because it doesn't have a strict definition. It means whatever people want to associate with "being a man."

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This is a debate sub and you haven’t convinced me that it’s not fragile or that femininity is more fragile.

Femininity being more fragile wasn't my argument so clearly you want to believe that one is more fragile than the other although I laid out everything in simple terms. You just want to believe that masculinity is more fragile because you think that one has to be more fragile.

A man’s masculinity being easily wounded and feeling “emasculated” because of that highlights the fragility of masculinity as a conception. Sure it also means he’s insecure as he said.

No, it means you're conflating masculinity with insecurity. Hence, your conclusion that masculinity is more fragile.

I’m not sure what’s not clicking. Or what’s being mischaracterized? You think both are equally fragile?

Yes. The conceptualization of both is equally fragile because they don't have objective definitions. In your mind, however, you're conflating both with actual people and then saying "well masculinity is more fragile because I see more men getting checked than women."

I do not.

Welp then its clear that this isn't a debate anymore because you've already concluded it's a fact.

Feel free to feel as you feel.

You too.

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Your insistence that I’m “conflating” doesn’t make you any less inaccurate.

I know. I'm as accurate as I am.

You’re unable to conceive the through-line of how if someone feels easily insecure wrt a conception (masculinity) then the conception is more fragile (as in easily broken or destroyed; precarious) than its cognate “femininity.”

Femininity is not really attacked in the US as much as masculinity is, and femininity isn't usually tied with action - its tied with inaction. The most women have to worry about is an "unfeminine appearance or attitude," which is very easy to maintain, so femininity isn't under attack, but masculinity inarguably is. That's why you think its "more fragile," in a similar way that you'd think men must be easier to kill because more men die in war than women do, and certainly not because it's all men on the battlefield.

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It's not really about bad first impressions, women generally just think it's normal to keep "good" men on the shelf while they have their fun.

That would still be their impression of "good," wouldn't it? It's no wonder why people are on their best behavior on dates, even if they're only showing the polite and good parts of their personality and hiding the others.

I think learning to distrust first impressions is either a skill or maybe something experience just makes you averse to.

Yes, it's all about experience. Younger and inexperienced people will take things at face value more often than older people will. That's why finding a young and mature/experienced person is such a rarity.

I sometimes wonder if this is how psychopaths have always seen the world.

I'm not sure about that. You're probably just desensitized to those initial feelings that other people get and that also comes with more experience and realization that people may not be who they appear to be at first glance. I will say that overstimulation takes the fun out of doing anything though because then you can't actually enjoy people for who they are anymore.

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Beleive what?

That abusers stay in relationships longer than non-abusers.

That non abusers get rejected at higher rates? The stats.

Please, show me these stats.

The average non-abuser guy is getting looked over while the above average abusers and average masculine guys aren't.

There are not as many abusive men that they would be taking any significant number of women away from non-abusive men.

Only the lucky women find the few attractive non-manipulative/non-abusive guys and lock them down.

Disagree, most men are not abusive and most men are able to get in relationships. There's vastly more non-abusive men in relationships than there are abusive men in relationships. It's not a lucky few women who find them, it's a few unlucky women who end up with abusive men.

For context, the non-abusers here are the regular boring guys that typically have to try harder or search for longer to find a relationship.

You have no way to confirm that. The guys here could be abusive. They could not be. You can just as easily claim that the guys here that are successful are also not abusive, because most men are not abusive.

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Years ago, back in college, I took a children's literature class as a gen. ed. elective. I had to write a short kid's book as the final assignment, then present it to the class. After class ended, this girl who I'd never seen before (I wasn't very social in this class, and frankly, don't remember her presenting) came up to me and started flipping through it. She said she liked my drawing, and then I complimented her's too. In my awkward manner, I didn't say much else and quickly left for lunch.

A few days later (this was near the end of the semester), when I was with friends sitting around campus, I saw this girl again walking from a short distance, and we looked at each other for a moment. She sort of looked at me blankly, and I just sort of looked at her, but we said nothing to each other, and she continued walking.

Still not sure what happened here, lol.

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Yeah, I found her cute, lol.

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Complaint #3 about new roommate:

He stays up late and left all of the lights on when he finally went to bed.

It's two pull chain lamps... This is simple stuff.

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It's not that it went south, it's just I'm finding I don't like the friction of sharing my home out of charity when he's being too absent minded. His goal should be to not leave a trace. Not add to my list of things to do.

I'm gonna have to talk to him tonight about the stuff I assumed he could do.

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Good women are just as rare these days as good men.

Last night, my old friend group was going on about my extensive "hit list". Some were in aw of it but none of them even knew how shitty those girls treated me. All different types, sizes, races, cultures, upbringing etc. It didn't matter how pretty they were or how good the sex was if they all turned out to be manipulators, cheaters, lairs, opportunists etc.

I don't think my exes even understand how bad they were to me, with their odd backwards rationalizations and girlfriends justifying everything they do. I found it so strange at first how they thought I would come back to them just by messaging me awhile after with no apologies or whatever.

But then looked at all those guys relationships and how much bullshit they put up with and realized, oh yeah, women really don't have to be good. All they have to do is be pretty for most guys to come chasing back.

I have met women who had the potential to be good, as the others. But I wouldn't want her to pay for the mistakes that all the other ones have made. I still do care about them. Relationships should be a commitment built on trust.

For someone like me, on the outside it looks like I was player, but what women often don't realize is that sex really is the only thing many of them are good for.

Unnecessarily long rant over.

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Dude. Why. The. Fuck. Do girls with boyfriends go to the god damn fucking club. I hate cheaters everyone here knows this. So i went to a beachfront club yesterday and accidentally left the club floor without grabbing a ticket for reentry so i had to wait in line again with my friend who was in line.

While at the bar getting another drink i met a girl and said hey we're in line wanna come cut, so she said sure ofc, and then she brought her friends.

Her friends included this really fuckin smokin girl, very unique name so i still remember it surprisingly. We start talking in line and shes in a similar field to mine, just moved down recently as well, etc etc lot in common. We get to the dance floor and start dancing. One thing leads to another and we start making out. Then i feel one of her friends rip her away and be like "what the fuck are you doing" and I'm like uh bitch you just trying to cockblock? But no. No. Unless every one of their friends prerehearsed a story about her not being single, she was not. And i feel like a total scumbag even though i know its not my fault. I deleted her number from my phone and still feel scummy about it

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I love how people think the reason for low birth rate is kids are expensive and they can't afford them.

That sounds good on paper, and its a fantastic excuse, but no its just the opposite, its because the people not having kids are rich, relatively speaking.

Kids, despite the reddit hive minds claims, are not that expensive. Poor people also have more kids. It takes surprisingly little to raise a child to adulthood in a western nation unless you want to buy the pony's and Disney trips.

The nice thing about being old like me is I've gotten to see all these excuse having urban couples who I know personally get too old to have kids (most are now in their 40s).

Kids was something they talked about "in the future" but they had parties and things to do, and kids would get in the way of that, and they put it off and put it off and fuck there went 10 years, holy shit well I'm old now so no kid I guess.

Its a short sighted selfishness. Having kids itself is somewhat a selfish act, anything we do for our desires is selfish, but its a longer term pay off.

I personally missed a lot of wild parties, amazing sex, and exotic trips having kids. Its ok because as a father I know kids > 3 somes and snapshots. Long term pay out.

But many people can't look beyond current me to future me. Past me sacrificed some fun (kids are expensive in TIME far more than money), but current me is happy with that investment.

There are only so many trips to burning man (something some of my now 40's childless friends go to regularly), before it gets old.

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There is also the broader general trend (and it’s just a trend, obviously this doesn’t apply to everyone) that as intelligence goes up, number of children tends to go down. Not saying that is good, bad or otherwise. Just saying that it is.

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I personally missed a lot of wild parties, amazing sex, and exotic trips having kids. Its ok because as a father I know kids > 3 somes and snapshots. Long term pay out.

Missing out on things you enjoy or want to do is a cost. Economists talk about cost in terms of more than just raw $. For example, the time cost is huge in having kids.

For you, the cost was worth it, but for many, the cost is not.

A major reason modern the middle class kids you’re sneering at (good grief, they’re not all going to burning man instead of breeding) don’t have a fleet of kids is because they see having kids as major net loss in their potential quality of life. For poor people or very rich people, it’s not as big a penalty to quality of life— for the rich, because they can afford anything they want, and for the poor because they couldn’t afford it if they didn’t have kids either.

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Millennials can’t even afford houses.

If old people cared about young couples being happy, they’d put their money where their mouth is instead of just scolding like old hens. They’d invest in public education, the environment, and the economy for young people instead of just burdening the young with unending debt to fund medicare and social security for themselves.

Young people have learned to ignore the “helpful advice” from the old folks who gave them meaningless participation trophies and pushed them into massive and un-dismissible student debt just so they could graduate into a crashed economy where only the exceptionally lucky do well.

Pessimism and cynicism are the enemy of wanting to have kids, and the young generation is loaded with both. Old people can sneer about it and mock them for eating avocado toast all they want, but the short-sighted result of all that will still be that many of them won’t get the grandkids they want.

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I'll let the millennials I know to stop living in them immediately!

Millennial home ownership being vastly below the norm for boomers and genx at the same age does not mean zero millennials own homes. Don’t be obtuse.

Also you don't need an unlimited data plan.

No homes are for sale for the price of a data plan. Don’t be ridiculous. This is straight up just a standard boomer talk “when I was your age, I bought a 3 bedroom house for $15,000– you could afford a house you didn’t spend $5 a week on your fancy avocado toast” that doesn’t make any sense to new buyers today. If you live where the majority of the jobs are for young people (remember, manufacturing in the US is dead), you cannot afford a mortgage on a pair of average middle class salaries, let alone pay for childcare.

A lot of the homes being bought right now aren’t being bought by young potential families, but by foreign investors, hedge funds, and LLCs.

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and when we wanted to have kids we got our first house.

Yeah, just pay $20 less on your phone bill every month and you can just buy one of the houses that don’t exist!

Hint: houses in the burbs are still very expensive today, especially if you factor in the brutal time cost of the additional commute. Millennials who make seriously good money or who earn well above average in a low cost of living area can do this, but not the median millennial.

The average size of houses is MUCH MUCH bigger than it used to be.

Yes, I agree this is part of the issue (though by no means all). And guess who bulldozed most of the existing starter homes and built all the McMansions? It wasn’t millennials. Lots of millennials do not have buying power or ability to buy the land, let alone the house. Especially if they don’t want to commute an hour and a half each way to work (which… exactly when do you raise kids if you’re out of the home for at least 11.5 hours of the day, with 8.5 hours + commute?)

Millennials are not all the complete morons you think they are just because they didn’t somehow copy your exact life, marry at 18, and have kids they couldn’t afford immediately. Sure some are idiots, but there’s always idiots in every generation including yours. But millennials live in a completely different reality than you came to adulthood in, and are making different choices based on that reality. For example, did you know that millennials own only 4.2% of American wealth? That makes this generation 4 times poorer (relative to total wealth in the country) than boomers were at 34.

Or you could just continue calling them all idiots just because they didn’t all buy non-existent 1200 sq ft houses with a basement near their job like you did.

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These numbers include things like education (already paid for in public schools by taxes), medial (assuming you have insurance), housing (assuming you need to expand room), transportation (assuming you drive them everywhere), nanny/daycare (assuming you need them),

i literally said THEIR OWN. Just because you have a kid doesn't mean all your own issues and needs are going away.

According to 2019 data from Salary.com, if you are a stay-at-home mom (or dad) and paid for your services, you would be looking at a median annual salary of $178,201

Ask yourself does that number make sense logically thinking. We are talking optimum conditions and spending.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. That stat is saying that I'd you were to pay someone for all the services provided by a SAM, it would cost you 178k. That's ridiculously costly, meaning that almost no one can hire these services, they have to do it themselves. Doesn't that just support my point that kids are expensive? Although that also includes cleaning and cooking, so it's not a fair measure.

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I think a lot of people who give some kind of excuses for not having kids just don't want them. And it's perfectly fine.

But kids are expensive. When my cousins were born, their mothers provided the bare minimum. Food, shelter, something to wear. Medical care and education were and are free here. Almost all them have their own kids now, but the expectations and prices got far higher. They pay for getting better shots for their kids that have less side-effects, they usually go in private clinics as you have to wait for months in state ones, they pay for early development activities, buy better quality food (and more fruits, vegetables and meat to start with), better clothes not something given away, later on they pay to tutors so their kids will have better marks and will be able to get into better universities, higher education is rather costly nowadays too and parents here are expected to provide for their kids who are students etc.

And, well, it was somewhat okay to leave small kids on their own back then and let them go to school without an adult escorting them. It isn't now, people either pay for daycare, a nanny or do it themselves.

My husband and I are on the fence for a lot of reasons and economic reasons are one of them. And no, we aren't into parties or anything, we do have plans that can't accommodate kids right now though.

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This sounds like something an old guy that partied through his 20-30s then married a young women and then had her pump out some kids would say. They don't have to worry about money because the man is already old and has a career so he has money. The downside is you have to have sex with an old guy and give up on having a fulfilling sex life with someone your old age that is hot and you have things in common with.

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Well I was going to suggest being more active, even if it's just walking. Though you would have to eat more to make up for the burned calories so that might not be the best solution for you. I find that if I am not active enough for a day or two I will be able to fall asleep, but I won't sleep long enough. Yoga is great though.

Other things that helped me were regulating my light exposure around bedtime (both screens and indoor lighting), maintaining a routine sleep/wake time, and getting sunlight and some light activity as soon as you can in the morning, like a quick walk around the block (This one is tough but it really does help your morning routine and alertness).

You can also try to kind of train your body to know when it's time to sleep. I keep my bedroom a kind of "sacred" zen place where I only go for self care and to sleep, I don't hang out in there. I also avoid laying down unless I am trying to sleep, during the day I only sit or stand. It's a little weird but now I can lay down any time of the day and get tired basically instantly.

How are you doing with gaining weight? I've been through a bulk or two and have an idea what it's like.

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Well that's good! I love taking walks as well. It's exercise and relaxing at the same time for me. You could also try weightlifting if you are able. It could help with your sleep and weight gain (you would still need to eat more but really doesn't burn many calories and it might actually stimulate your appetite). It definitely did for me and it's so good for you. Sorry but I did say all my solutions suck (actually very rewarding but tough to be consistent with), and if you talk to me enough I will eventually try to convince you to lift.

Not sure how much space you are working with but even if you were able to just "section it off" and designate specific areas for work/school/hanging out and sleep (probably your bed lol). I'm sure you already do that and then it's not that big of a deal. I'm mostly just saying this because I used to just lay around in my bed on my phone or TV or whatever when I had nothing to do (which was bad for me in many ways). So maybe just try to avoid that if you don't already.

Yeah, I definitely relate to the "stuffing yourself" feeling and how hard that can be. Are you able to track your food intake?

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Yup, just try to keep adding little by little while your body adjusts. Even just a serving of peanut butter or a little treat before bed can really make a difference.

Lifting definitely will burn calories but probably not as many as you'd expect (Walking likely burns more). It's less about how much you sweat and more about how much you can damage the muscle and recover for growth/strength. For many people including myself it could shift your body into a more anabolic state and increase your appetite to make it easier to eat more food.

This is all assuming that you would want to put on some muscle. If you don't really care about muscle/definition/strength and just want to gain weight then maybe it's not for you, but most people do. No matter what you will either have to eat more calories or burn less if you want to gain weight.

If you'd prefer to stay out of a gym and are limited on space/equipment, then I'd highly recommend trying out (beginner) calisthenics. Lots of people make great progress this way and there are a ton of great resources on the internet to get you started. Consistency is key!

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Who knows? Maybe the vet is on opioids 🤷🏽‍♀️

So you honestly believe the only way to be happy if you have any excuse not to be is drugs?

And you're just so insistent that any woman who reports being unhappy with her marriage or with her circumstances/decisions should suck it up buttercup. Like, dude, come on. That is the opposite of empathy.

No I said to not blame others or outside sources. If you want to leave then leave but it's not because another person forced the feelings of unhappiness into your body. Take responsibility and just say that you are unhappy because of yourself.

Then if women take responsibility for their happiness and decide that they are happy as is, no need to upset the apple cart and get married or add kids, you complain.

I never complained about that once I simply said avoiding anything that could be used as an excuse to say you are unhappy is avoiding stuff not taking responsibility.

Women can never win, their choices will always be criticized

As will mens choices especially if they pout that everything and anything except themselves is responsible for their behavior and attitude.

and they will always be criticized because misogyny is rampant,

Oh Jesus so now judging women the same as men is misogyny?

so they may as well do whatever the heck they want and yes, what they think will make them happy.

They'll never be truly happy until they accept that happiness doesn't originate outside their body.

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Yes, dude, we all got it loud and clear, for the millionth time.

Don't think you do because you're going to misrepresent my statements entirely.

Women whose husbands cheated on them while they were nursing their child should accept that "unhappiness does not originate outside of their body"

The unhappiness statement was not in conjunction with the pregnancy increased risk of cheating statement why would you misrepresent me like that?

and that they are responsible for their unhappiness in that scenario.

I never said women were going to be cheated on when they got pregnant I never said it was okay or good all I suggested was somebody who is sexually satisfied is less likely to cheat which seemed to generate some kind of hysteria in you.

Anything else you'd like to misrepresent?

Really selling marriage, by the way. Impressive. 👌🏽

I wasn't trying to sell anyone on marriage

"Women, you should get married

Never said women should get married.

so that when your husband cheats on your

It is not inevitable that your husband cheats on you.

while you're pregnant, you can understand that it's all your fault."

What the honest fuck are you on? I never said it was a woman's fault she was cheated on I said she wasn't really a victim if she did nothing to sexually satisfy her partner.

Why can't you seem to grasp what's being said?

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Lol, this is not a surprising concept to me because I HAVE chosen to be happy.

I'm very happy, in love, and childfree.

What bothers me is the sheer volume of people who are mostly but not exclusively men who literally can't stand to see a woman living her life happy and childfree.

They'll tell her all manners of things like, "stop avoiding responsibility," "it's your duty," "stop being selfish," then when that fails they resort to scare tactics, name-calling and phrases like "enjoy your cats," (thank you! I will). I mean, they'll say everything short of a blatant "how dare you?" It really bothers men to see a woman happily living her life without kids, and especially being happy without kids and a man. Some will even try to deny that such women exist. I'd say it's baffling to me, but it really isn't. It's always been the case that other people's happiness comes at the expense of women's, they are expected to make sacrifice after sacrifice so that others can be happy, and people get mad at the women who won't play along.

I would never give up my anonymity I am sure there are men who would literally try to hunt me down and kill me to get me stop posting studies and telling the truth.

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Lol, this is not a surprising concept to me because I HAVE chosen to be happy.

This isn't about you

I'm very happy, in love, and childfree.

Cool story.

What bothers me is the sheer volume of people who as are mostly but not exclusively men who literally can't stand to see a woman living her life happy and childfree.

Like whom?

They'll tell her all manners of things like, "stop avoiding responsibility," "it's your duty," "stop being selfish," then when that fails they resort to scare tactics, name-calling and phrases like "enjoy your cats," (thank you! I will).

Are you so egocentric you can't discuss something without making it any yourself?

It's always been the case that other people's happiness comes at the expense of women's, they are expected to make sacrifice after sacrifice so that others can be happy, and people get mad at the women who won't play along.

It seems to be more the case that you see yourself if the victim of this

I would never give up my anonymity I am sure there are men who would literally try to hunt me down and kill me to get me stop posting studies and telling the truth.

You're not telling any truth and your studies only indicate that women would rather blame anyone and anything for their issues than themselves.

Why are you talking about something entirely unrelated to what I'm talking about?

All I said was children can't force you to be unhappy, nothing can. Not having kids because of the fear they would make you unhappy isn't a sound decision because you decide if you're happy.

Again, your own link said empty nesters are just as happy as child free women but you won't acknowledge that.

I wonder why ?

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I've read a study that figured out that women's libido gets lower in LTRs, but it didn't really claim that they aren't attracted to their partners. Keeping things fresh and exciting is another job and most people just don't have time/energy or even just the need for it.

And I've seen that convo, I don't really agree neither with her or with you. I don't think that most women date men they aren't attracted to, women do care about sex and they want to have a good sexual life. Plus, I'd guess that for a lot of couple this intense physical lust does fade out after a few months of relationships at least to some extent. It doesn't mean they stop being attracted to each other or that they'll cheat/have a dead bedroom situation. Some people actually manage to develop emotional connection and intimacy that make sex better on their own.

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i found my life and anxiety is so much easier to deal with when I focus on the positive, and I think that will keep me from hopelessness. my mom almost died this year and I was miserable for most of it until I stopped spiraling myself down worst case scenarios and started actually enjoying the moments I had with her. she came out of it okay, and I truly regretted all those months I spent hiding in my corner to soothe my anxiety.

I think I'm better off applying this same mindset to relationships. if my future husband decides to cheat when I'm pregnant, I'll coddle my broken heart for a bit and then start a divorce and do my best to protect my kids' relationship with their dad from myself. it won't be the end of the world and I'll move on at some point eventually. I would only be doing myself and myself only a disservice if I sunk into hopelessness

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u/Special-Armadillo-99, let's continue here, I'm curious what other users might want to add to the discussion.

If they (women) want those things (love and companionship) all they have to do is adjust their expectations slightly to meet their supposed goal.

If they (women) are unwilling to do that then it seems love and companionship wasn't their goal to begin with

First of all, what do you mean by "adjusting expectations"?

The thing is that just getting into romantic relationship doesn't necessarily provide one with love and companionship. There are lots of people who feel lonely and unloved although they're married or have a romantic partner.

I believe that love requires lots of time, efforts and dedication from both partners. To get to the stage of "love", people should have similar (or at least somewhat compatible) values, beliefs and plans, otherwise chances are high that they'll break up or get resentful before that point. And most people do want to be physically attracted to their partners, because they want to have romantic love, not familial one.

And women can have these things without dating men. I sure do love my friends and I have their companionship. I know that they share these feelings. Of course, it's different from having a partner, but overall close and intimate friendship does provide love and companionship. At least I wouldn't say that I was lonely when I was single.

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Desirability after 30

Two themes in this thread:

Women talking about their large drop in matches from men after turning 30. It seems they feel undervalued compared to women in their 20s.
Men talking about how they get a lot more matches after turning 30 then in their 20s. They're grateful, but they are also under the impression that women only want them because a lot of women are desperate.

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Man, the latter is how i felt and still sometimes feel after losing weight. I was the exact same person before the 8 month period i lost the weight, and the exact same person after. But how society treated me was night and day. And you can imagine how different women treated me.

Men who're over the age of 30 but still goodlooking have the same issue as chibs who lost 80lbs: determining if the woman actually gives a flying f about you.

Atleast women can usually filter out those who don't by not putting out or acting overtly sexual, and the fuckboys will usually find easier and more convenient prey, only the sociopaths love breaking someone like that.

Men can never really filter because women's desire comes off very differently than mens'. Does she want me for my body? If not, is that worse bc of a lack of the primal attraction necessary? Why have all of the primal type attraction girls I've slept with not worked out for dating? It's quite useless for men to worry about. All we can do is protect ourselves financially.. And maximize those stupid shallow traits women love like blonde hair or veins in your arms that have nothing to do with your intellect, interest; your soul.

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Yeah I agree. It makes sense since 28-31 is when women start watching their friends get married and realizing they have a limited amount of eggs. Women who are desperate are always a bad option for anyone.

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That’s not true. I remember you said you were turning 30 and I think it’s perfectly fine to date women as young as 25.

I also don’t think that +30 year old women equals desperate. They are certainly more likely to be desperate, but +30 year old women looking to date genuinely deserve to have their options.

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I’ve noticed this in r/bumble (you can see your bumble data and people post on there) and irl with my old ass 30+ year old coworkers. My coworker got a blind sided divorce from his high school sweetheart just before covid. He was in great shape though and hopped on dating apps and was smashing chicks left and right. He said the divorce was the best thing that ever happened to him and his ex-wife is jobless and fat from an injury now too lmao. He even showed me his bumble to confirm all the matches. He’s surprisingly a relationship type of dude tho so he doesn’t really maximize his potential and he’s picky.

The one huge downside though is most women in there 30s that are still single are probably single moms and women who let themselves go after their divorce. Good pump and dump candidates tho.

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Yeah, since so many male anime/JRPG characters are on the effeminate side of things, men tend to generally not be well-suited to cosplaying them. The only convincing Inuyasha cosplayer I can remember was a woman.

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I watched in on video last night. I'm mixed about it. I don't think Villeneuve is quite as good as everyone pegs him. He's like a lot of modern directors where everything is solid, looks great, and you put the pseudo-profound Hans Zimmer soundtrack on it, and you get the illusion of really having something, but it's not really all that.

So many of the decisions here make no sense to me. The movie looks too wooden and crisp. It has no soul. The Atrades tech look like something from a tech demo and don't fit the story to me. The acting is also wooden in parts. You want that sense in between the frames of a story that's deep and really about something that can't quite be put into words, as all great mythology-type stories like this should be. But I didn't get that at all.

The Lynch version was weird and cheesy in parts, and the story fell through, but I think he's actually a director that understands cinema better than Villeneuve.

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Us. We watched the one were the lady got swept to North Korea in a tornado. It was cheezy but cute.

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Lol! Just admit you're a hopeless romantic too.

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Basically! Then it's time to fall in love with the solider that didn't shoot her. 💞

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Actually, The Exorcist book fucked me up so much more than the movie. There is some detail in there that they glaze over in the movie

The original Halloween is amazing. I love The Strangers and Purge because they’re plausible

Funny Games fucked me up. I think it’s the one movie where the gore was less upsetting than the story

I Spit On Your Grave (the original) and Last House On The Left for obvious reasons

I drunkenly thought Megan Is Missing was a ridiculous Lifetime Movie. A thought the movie didn’t challenge until the last 20 minutes or so … but holy shit, I still see some of those images from those last 20 minutes. I still don’t know if it was because the movie was actually scary or just my drunken mistake going bad, though

Obligatory “Scream was a game changer”

And an unexpected nomination for Rob Zombie’s Woolite ad. What a brilliant, unexpected partnership that really had amazing cinematography and direction

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Though I have some overlap with some opinions that fall under that umbrella, let me be clear that I do not subscribe to the label. Having said that, an overt difference between the two is that one is attempting to change things politically/legally/whatever. The other is simply people taking their metaphorical chips off the table and walking away.

EDIT - additionally, I’m not sure how successful such an idea would be in the reverse, given the way the incentives are. Sure, some women may be amenable to a similar way of thinking, and a tiny minority may actually do it. But I think there are very good reasons why that term comes up so much among men nowadays.

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Oh lord, I don't think I have enough time for this tonight, lol.

It gives women the illusion of security which can be extremely detrimental if it lulls them into a state where they allow themselves to give up their income stream and become dependent to raise multiple children and/or cease to pursue educational or promotional opportunities, if the marriage fails (and it does, statistically, quite often).

There is also evidence that suggests that a bad marriage is much more physiologically harmful to a woman's health: https://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/06/marriage.women.heart/index.html.

Admittedly, a lot of the riskiest aspects of marriage for women are only relevant to conventional marriages and would not apply or at least nowhere near to the same extent, if those marriages were to remain childless.

"Numerous empirical studies have demonstrated the economic consequences of divorce for men and women with and without children (e.g., Hoffman & Duncan, 1988; Holden & Smock, 1991; Kalmijn, 2005; Leopold & Kalmijn, 2016; Poortman, 2000; Tach & Eads, 2015). Men tend to experience little changes in their economic situation. They might be more likely to receive unemployment or disability benefits following divorce, but these effects are short lived. Spousal alimony and child support typically consume only a small part of their incomes. Women, in contrast, rely heavily on partner income. When children are involved, they also become the resident parents in the large majority of cases. Increases in employment or the receipt of child support are usually insufficient to compensate for the loss of partner income. Hence, women experience sizable drops in household income, per capita income, and income-to-needs ratios. As a consequence, many women and especially mothers fall into poverty following divorce." https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/jomf.12629

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Mediocre looking, inexperienced men with the entitlement of a narcissistic woman are nightmares. They actually think buying a $10 meal for someone should equal devotion and sex.

Entitlement looks bad on most people, but for others it’s very unclear how they could think that way if they were never given leeway’s to begin with.

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No, not all. I think genetically gifted and/or high status men are at the top of the hierarchy and have it the best.

Then I would say it goes genetically gifted/high status women > average women > average men > ugly women > ugly men

asexual, neurodivrgent, conventionally unattractive woman is sure as fuck not easy

No, but I think being a heterosexual ugly neurodivergent man is probably worse off. Even if just for the notion that wanting something and not getting it is worse than not wanting it in the first place. Also I think there is less sympathy and support for men in regards to being neurodivergent or just mental illness in general. There's more pressure for men to be strong, independent, capable and confident. Men who fail to meet those standards are at the bottom of the social hierarchy.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
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Date	October 24, 2021 4:00 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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