LOOKS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREAD

happy_discus · 2023-10-28T15:03:01+00:00

I am so sick and tired of always having to go out alone because my friends always got somewhere else they have to go or events to attend. Don't get me wrong I would be fine with having to go out alone nearly every week, I just wish to go out with friends at least once every three months.

princedune · 2023-10-28T03:10:43+00:00

the only thing worse than curly hair on a guy is being bald, and of course now my hair is starting to fall out rapidly ffs

InjectAdrenochrome · 2023-10-28T02:13:22+00:00

Quick and easy protein sources when you're on a diet? I've got greek yoghurt and string cheese

Nate_Reborn · 2023-10-28T01:28:05+00:00

Lost 85 lbs so far. I look like a completely different man. I'm nowhere near where I need to be but losing the face fat really makes a difference.

StrikingAd8556 · 2023-10-27T14:27:57+00:00

I had trouble sleeping last night because I saw a TikTok that made me start worrying about the loose skin I'm going to have from losing weight. I will never get to see what my real upper limit is. I ruined my body forever.

My only hope is that someday I will have the money to get the skin removed and to get a facelift and all that, but even then there is no way to know how effective that will be. I'll never get to be at my peak in my 20s or even know what that was like.

It's like you are here on this planet. It's this huge coincidence, and you just sputter out in a miserable decline. That is your one go at it, and it is nothing. I try to console myself with absurdism and enjoying being in nature, but the hopelessness of it all catches up to me from time to time.

itm4l2000 · 2023-10-27T02:45:54+00:00

Some women, the smart ones are going out in real life, frequently attending events, activities, hobbies ect and patiently observing behavioural traits of men over a period of time.

How he behaves amongst others and traits that can't be easily faked or determine by a curated online picture.

There are men out there but we are hiding and we are also watching women to, we are mentally swiping left on women we interact with all the time.

Us men are playing the long game because we can, it's time for women to take the initiative and start looking. We are not coming to you anymore, those games don't work anymore.

Any women that comes my way who I mentally swipe right on in real life I am asking myself " does she deserve to have my kids and be present with them while I'll deal with the world and all it's pressures and demands, that for me unlike her doesn't yield any enduring emotional benefit for me greater than my children"?

If young men thought like this, they would be able to withstand the most sultry and attractive woman and demand that she prove to him why he should commit to her.

Good luck young men.

StrikingAd8556 · 2023-10-26T13:51:42+00:00

How much do you think the endless stream of attractive people is warping our sense of what is acceptably attractive?

In the mid 2000s this guy was the heart throb of many young women. Who is this guy? Who knows. I know his name is Alex, but a lot of people would use his photos to catfish. I think I might have been MySpace friends with his real account, but who knows. Regardless, at that time, this guy was the ideal emo boy.

Despite this, and despite many women having fondness for his look, I think nowadays he would be described as mid. Not only that, the woman at the time would know that this guy was essentially a model to our generation, and it wouldn't really affect who they dated in their real life.

Now, to be attractive on TikTok, you need hypermasculine and more conventionally attractive features for example this guy who I just randomly found on Google.

Also, as evidenced by r/tinder, plenty of decent looking men are struggling to get matches whereas the ones who clean up are usually tall and hypermasculine men with the same looks as these men on TikTok.

baiser_vole · 2023-10-21T16:33:25+00:00

I think PPD should at least open up looks discussion when looks is a portion of attraction. Looks is the only thing that matters could be seen as incel rhetoric, but most of us here do agree looks do play a role in attraction. I don't think it makes sense to shut down all dialogue on looks.

Plane-Access2010 · 2023-10-21T16:43:32+00:00

Never get up guys.

princedune · 2023-10-21T17:41:58+00:00

if you aren't attractive, personality never comes into play.

Jaded_Interaction162 · 2023-10-22T02:15:42+00:00

Can someone give me some examples of a female 5 and a female 6? I want to know what the difference is

Ok_Bear976 · 2023-10-22T11:32:31+00:00

First they came for the blackpillers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a blackpiller.

Professional_Bad_282 · 2023-10-22T22:45:16+00:00

https://imgur.com/a/xCM5htE

https://imgur.com/a/j7Bk3Xw

Improve your looks so you can have much better positive experiences in your life.

SuccessLate6658 · 2023-10-23T05:29:11+00:00

A lot of “fitness” accounts on tik tok show up in my feed. Whenever they talk about calories, at least a dozen women comment “this triggered my ED” then you click their page and they are morbidly obese. They really conquered that shit.

CalmNeedleworker3100 · 2023-10-23T09:50:10+00:00

It seems that women just aren't honest. Some women say no when they really mean yes. Some women say they don't care about looks. But why are these women dishonest?

cactusbeam777 · 2023-10-23T14:42:15+00:00

So can't discuss rule #1 anymore but we can still discuss rule #2?

CasseroleTruck · 2023-10-26T04:23:39+00:00

This thread is about looks. There's all this talk about an average looking guy not being really average and thus irrelevant if he can attract women based on charisma or social skills. Isn't that the entire point? If you can max out in other areas and do well even if you aren't born with the right height, race or face then blackpill points are moot. If you're going to say an average looking charismatic socially competent guy has a major advantage over an average looking autistic socially stunted guy. I mean, no shit.

GridReXX · 2023-10-25T18:20:19+00:00

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This guy on twitter jokingly made this his profile pic to make the point that most of us can look “our worst” with bad angles, disheveled grooming, and intentionally or unintentionally distorting our face into its least favorable composition.

This is him usually. Mad chill. Mad cool.

He’s the definition to me of an average dude whose own personal style, presentation, swagger, and sense of self makes him attractive to myself and a lot of other people.

Average face.
Balding.
Not fit/ Pudgy.
Not tall (I think he’s like 5’8)
He doesn’t care about coming off hyper masculine.

And yet he has a cute son. Which means some woman was into him.

I feel like dudes here, if they looked like him would pack it up and be Debbie downer doomer bros until the end of time.

CryptoThroway8205 · 2023-10-25T14:58:04+00:00

Do you think a buff fitness instructor who's buff because he moves heavy things for work, or a skinny software developer because he's shown mastery over a valued craft that earns more money would be more desirable? Does it depend on age?

Obviously the software developer can work out too but it's easier to get in the lifting when it's part of your job description. Assuming they're the same height but the fitness instructor talks to more girls for work and therefore has more charisma.

StrikingAd8556 · 2023-10-24T20:31:08+00:00

Looking at the truerateme guide, I would say I am a 4.5 and I date/have dated between 3.5 and 5.5.

This seems totally reasonable and obtainable for most men i.e. you look average and will be able to attract women above and below you in looks.

I think too many men stacy chase and the FYP has deluded them into thinking the bare minimum for women is a 6. What I mean by this is that men will think a 6 is a 4. I had this problem in middle school. Looking back, the first couple girls I liked were way out of my league. they were "cute" but not "hot" therefore I thought they were average and within my league.

I am definitely attracted to the girls I've been with, otherwise I wouldn't have been with them, but I had to learn what my league actually was. Once I did I was more consistently able to get women.

I also want to add that most people I know fall into the same range as me and are dating within the same range as well. This is what I am trying to get at and articulate when I talk about all the people I know from high school and college or when I go to the store or the mall. It is just average people dating other average people and being happy about it. Maybe living in a large metropolitan area would change that, but living in a small/midsize city this is what I see.

sine120 · 2023-10-24T04:50:23+00:00

Rule #2 seems "good enough" for the majority of women in my experience. It's certainly a positive to follow rule #1, but if you have other stuff going on it's not required.

StrikingAd8556 · 2023-10-24T00:39:17+00:00

What was the moment for you that made you realize how important looks are?

For me I was in middle school and I enjoyed skateboarding. I was pretty good at it too. Despite being good at it, I noticed the kids who looked more like your typical "skater boy" would get more attention from girls and people would just assume they were good where as people would assume I wasn't very good.

Rach1943 · 2023-10-23T22:58:11+00:00

someone should randomly sample 100 people ages 20-40 from the us population, put them both a on a looks maximizing program for a year, and see which gender turns out increasing their looks rating the most, and the effort required to get there, as well as success from the opposite sex.

I bet you, if everyone stuck to the program (which would include weight loss, grooming, skin care, dressing) for a year, the distribution would be skewed tightly to the right for women, with most being in the 7-9 range, while the distribution of mens' look would be more flat still, with a lot of men STILL below the 5/10 range due to limiting factors such as heigh/baldness/poor facial features

No_Ask_2241 · 2023-10-23T16:40:55+00:00

Does anyone actually have any evidence that shows women rate men's attractiveness fairly? Or that the average woman finds the average guy physically attractive?

SeveralSadEvenings · 2023-10-23T15:59:13+00:00

I think my son inherited my outrageous vanity.

During breakfast this morning I caught him studying (admiring?) his reflecting in the TV.

I asked him if he liked what he saw and he said "yes, I'm very handsome."

🥹 He is my child.

MasterTeacher123 · 2023-10-23T15:39:41+00:00

My mommy says I’m handsome

dbz__f · 2023-10-23T08:25:53+00:00

Remember if men are specific about what looks they find attractive, then they are fetishists, creeps, pervs

abaxeron · 2023-10-22T22:43:55+00:00

No daily thread, posting here.

If you phonetically replace [t] with [k], it's KickCock.

Fearless_Method_1682 · 2023-10-22T11:12:21+00:00

Why are the top two comments in this thread removed?

Can we get the line between looks discussion and blackpill rhetoric clarified?

Why is the daily thread gone?

Ylduts · 2023-10-22T10:48:54+00:00

The data shows that looks is an important variable when it comes to dating/attraction. Why is it suddenly forbidden here?

Ok_Bear976 · 2023-10-22T06:57:50+00:00

where's the daily megathread

George69143 · 2023-10-22T06:48:04+00:00

Men have to do so much to even be slightly attractive to women and even then if you are not tall you aren’t attractive. I know a good looking funny 5’9 guy who is very fit and women just don’t like him. It seems like height is the barrier for most men.

Ok_Bear976 · 2023-10-22T02:40:51+00:00

Q4M: Name your male role models

Q4W: Name good male role models

Uglypostwall · 2023-10-22T01:34:14+00:00

I dont understand why women are considered good-looking when they literally can look hot only for max 10 years while guys can be handsome for whole life

sine120 · 2023-10-21T23:25:23+00:00

Dudes in photos from 80-100 years ago look way hotter than the dudes I'm seeing IRL today. Were they just less fat so their faces look better? I wanna look like a WWII Chad

AnyIntroduction3288 · 2023-10-21T22:32:21+00:00

Why do men get mad that men who look like this can get sex easily? It’s like me being mad that women who look like this can become stay at home girlfriends to multi millionaires.

80_20 · 2023-10-21T21:55:32+00:00

Some science on obesity. Obviously it is a big part of looks.

Most people's science education about obesity is very old and outdated. Reddit will mash Calories In vs Calories out. Say you're weak. People overestimate willpower and underplay things out of your control like genetics.

Secrets of the Eatling Lab:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uELVWHeFWk

Dr Tracy Mann, director of the Eating Lab at the University of Minnesota.

Dr. Traci Mann, that has traditionally focused on the self-control of health behaviors, and in particular, the self-control of eating. Over the years, as we have become increasingly convinced that dieting does not lead to long-term weight loss, we have been exploring the idea of a health-focused approach to eating (and exercise), rather than a diet-focused approach.

Is Obesity a Choice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88tWJ1p5d4o

Dr Giles Yeo a geneticist talk at the Royal Institution.

Dr Giles Yeo is a geneticist with over 20 years’ experience dedicated to researching the genetics of obesity. He obtained his PhD from the University of Cambridge and assisted the ground-breaking research that uncovered key pathways in how the brain controls food intake.

His current research focuses on understanding how these pathways differ from person to person, and the influence of genetics in our relationship with food and eating habits. He is based at MRC Metabolic Diseases Unit, where he is Principal Research Associate, and is a fellow and graduate tutor at Wolfson College.

It is clear that the cause of obesity is a result of eating more than you burn. It is physics. What is more complex to answer is why some people eat more than others? Differences in our genetic make-up mean some of us are slightly more hungry all the time and so eat more than others. Giles Yeo explores how, in contrast to the prevailing view, obesity is not a choice. People who are obese are not bad or lazy; rather, they are fighting their biology.

slazengerx · 2023-10-21T18:00:39+00:00

I have no opinion on looks discussions, generally. But it would be nice to ban LARPing looks comments like, "I'm good looking, so..." Unless, of course, you're willing to post photos... then I'd be fine with it. I'm pro-ALAM - the Anti-Larping Amendment.

CasseroleTruck · 2023-10-21T17:51:18+00:00

There is absolutely a looks threshold to clear but I don't think the bar is that high. Obviously if you are very goodlooking you will kill it on OLD, but I've seen a lot of profiles of men who do well and men who don't. The main difference is photo selection in terms of subject matter and context. Guys who get a lot of matches and do well have high quality pictures of them that project a wholesome extroversion; the pictures show they have a healthy social life and a variety of different hobbies (real or faked). These types of men provide an impression to women that they are interesting, have good social skills, and are also liked by others (preselection).

The guys who complain about getting 'no matches' simply don't stand out. They aren't goodlooking enough to be swiped on looks alone but also don't infer anything special about their other less visible traits so they seem boring. It's also obvious a lot of men who struggle with dating are the opposite of "wholesome extrovert" and this is conveyed in their blah or offputting descriptions, prompts, unsettling facial expressions etc. The amount of guys swipeable on looks alone is a lot smaller, so the biggest room for excellence is in conveying that you're socially competent and well-adjusted.

TLDR Men who do well on OLD aren't on the whole esp better looking than men who do poorly, if at all. Just-be-well-adjusted pill.

hungrychick404 · 2023-10-21T16:56:20+00:00

Middle aged women are hotter to me than middle aged men. But that might be a me thing

FunEducation1434 · 2023-10-21T16:18:11+00:00

Get looks or die trying

Keeenw · 2023-10-21T16:11:13+00:00

Just saw this movie for the first time and this is by far one of the most redpilled scenes I have seen :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHY93RaSWf4

BurnerApe · 2023-10-21T16:05:39+00:00

Looks > Everything else

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