Most of the men/boys on this sub need to start lifting and eating healthy. That alone will improve their health tremendously & in the long run help them attract women.

Spiritual_Age_4992 · 2022-05-08T20:32:19+00:00

Lifting and eating healthy takes months before you start to see results and a year or two before it truly reaches the point where you start posing in front of mirrors because you suddenly find out that you love yourself.

Typing a mean comment on the internet takes seconds for a hit of that sweet, sweet dopamine.

Insidious-Sid · 2022-05-08T21:59:10+00:00

You started off great then ruined it.

If the primary motivation is just to "help them attract women" then it's a failed mission.

A man should make himself the best man he wants to be IF WOMEN DIDN'T EXIST.

Besides, being attractive to woman is kind of like smearing BBQ sauce on yourself before you go into a forest full of wolves. Or honey, in tall grass full of leeches and parasites.

Specialist-Action-33 · 2022-05-08T20:31:57+00:00

And thats what I have been doing for the last 5 years. Thank you for stating some real facts in this sub

ahandtoyourdarknessx · 2022-05-08T22:09:25+00:00

Sure, but the issue I see is that women don’t have to work anywhere near as hard as men to gain SMV.

This is why women’s role in relationships is largely unimportant to me. Get your nut and add her to the rotation. Women have it easy, men have it hard, what benefit does a man get from committing?

MicrospathodonChrys · 2022-05-08T20:55:26+00:00

Lifting is magic. Women should be lifting too.

delight-n-angers · 2022-05-08T21:34:39+00:00

I mean isn't this good advice for literally every human being?

MonkeyThrowing · 2022-05-09T00:19:14+00:00

Wow two weeks. You must be an expert by now.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2022-05-08T20:37:31+00:00

Been doing this for years. Still practically invisible.

Fit-Faithlessness149 · 2022-05-08T20:58:46+00:00

You seem to be under the impression that we're a bunch of fat out of shape basement dwellers. You might want to revise your stereotypes.

Shells23 · 2022-05-09T00:52:15+00:00

You assume most of us do not take care of ourselves, or that the focus should be on using it to attract women. Men who don't workout, i urge you to do the same, but go do it for yourselves. Make your own life better.

NockerJoe · 2022-05-08T20:53:01+00:00

Sure, I already do. So do a bunch of others here. It's fun, the food can be tasty, and you make some friends if you're lucky. But it isn't nearlt the magic bullet people act like it is.

ManGoneNoWay · 2022-05-08T22:12:48+00:00

Cultivating a large social network is far more important. Don't get me wrong, eating healthily and working out is good and all but dating has to do with your social life.

I also call bullshit on you noticing a "huge difference" after two weeks of working out and eating heathily. I've yo-yo'd with regards to weight ever since high school. I've been as fat as 93 kgs and as skinny as 57 kgs. Over the last year and a half I've gone from 80-something kgs down to 60-something kgs. There has been little difference in how I'm treated. And this has been while lifting during the same period. There is a difference in treatment between being fat, being skinny, and being musculair but the difference only gets big at the more extreme ends of the spectrum.

yeoldname · 2022-05-08T22:42:39+00:00

I’ve been lifting for 10 years. Changed my life. Highly recommend. Also, even tho I work out every day, to see the most massive gains all you really need is 3x a week one hour max. I just do it daily cause it feels so good. It’s not even a huge commitment when you get past the first month.

ObviouslyAnAltAct · 2022-05-08T21:28:56+00:00

Truthfully, this isn't going to help the majority of men with women. It just won't. It will improve how they feel about themselves and the world in general though. But it won't really help them with women. With the exception of feeling better about themselves so they won't be so susceptible to caring.

None0fYour8usiness · 2022-05-08T21:56:02+00:00

It's not guaranteed. I know a lot of cases where working out doesn't help with depression, one of those cases being me. I still do it for health reasons, as everyone should, but I don't feel better after it.

H3l3l6758 · 2022-05-09T00:19:00+00:00

Like an old joke my friends and I have. Their is no Gym for your face bro. And their is no healthy food for a life of solitude.

Jokes and quotes aside this is the typical just lift bro. We always hear is meaningless for many of us close to 30 already have done this just lift bro. Self improvement chada chada chada. If your meant to be a loser you will remain a loser theirs no Gym nor Nutrition to help in this.

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2022-05-09T03:02:38+00:00

If you lift weights and become toxic, you'll get pussy, trust me.

But remember, being toxic doesn't mean being mean. It means not caring about her feelings.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2022-05-09T04:46:59+00:00

Lifting and eating healthy doesn't work on its own. Take this from someone who lifts and eats healthy.

Look at this body fat comparison website: https://dqydj.com/body-fat-percentage-comparison-calculator-by-age/

According to this, I'm in the top 10% of the US for my age group (I live in the UK, but the numbers won't be much different - obesity rates are similar between US and UK).

And yet where are all the women who are attracted to me? None. Doesn't mean sh*t to lift and eat healthy. Women don't notice or care.

flakybottom · 2022-05-08T21:15:11+00:00

I was in tip top shape in the military, didn't change a fucking thing. If anything I got treated worse. I had a lean muscular build, but a lot of women said I looked like a starved Ethiopian.

Puzzleheaded_Bet7294 · 2022-05-08T21:03:08+00:00

Counterpoint: I’ve been lifting and eating healthy for years now, have an athletic build, and very low body fat and it has not helped one bit in terms of attracting women.

I wish life was like a Hollywood movie where the nerdy kid gets buff and suddenly gets tons of attention from women, but that’s just not the case. If you see the type of men women go for these days, they tend to be skinny pretty boys or big guys with beer bellies.

So work out for yourself, and just to have a long life and great quality of life, but definitely don’t expect it to help you in terms of dating.

TLDR: if you don’t meet a minimum looks threshold, no amount of muscles or abs will makeup for that. you’re either attractive or you’re not, gym won’t change that

Iowa_Makes_Me_Cri · 2022-05-08T23:17:41+00:00

3 years of consistent lifting and not one successful date 🤷‍♂️. Also the confidence part wears off pretty quick and you just feel normal.

ThisTimeForRealYo · 2022-05-08T23:04:23+00:00

Bro, are you me? Last week’s been my first consistent week of going to the gym ever. It does feel amazing. It’s only 1 week, but I feel really good. I got more energy to do things, ironically.

DrinkItInMan11 · 2022-05-09T00:12:06+00:00

I already do that and it has worked wonders for me. This is common sense, not some revolutionary idea.

Interesting-Yard-653 · 2022-05-09T02:58:19+00:00

It's not the end all be all. However, being a man capable of moderate feats of strength and endurance such as lifting 150lb overhead with your shoulders or running 8 miles in an hour certainly can't hurt, especially in the bedroom.

meshsesh · 2022-05-09T04:43:43+00:00

So a guy who is slim healthy with normal BMI who plays basketball/badminton 3x/week, and ride bicycles is not "enuff" cause he don't have big muscles?

Every guy needs to go to the gym regularly, lift weights with progressive overload, track calories & macros, eat 1g/lbs high protein diet for years to be attractive?

FYI it takes 1.5+ years of bodybuilder gym slave lifestyle naturally to have a physique that somewhat looks like "you lift". And it all quickly disappears in 3 months if the guy stops the bodybuilding lifestyle.

This is straight up mental illness if u need do bodybuilding to be confident with women.

And lifting weights DOES NOT FEEL GOOD. Its a strenuous sport. You will feel shitty and tired all the time from all the strain from lifting. And even more shitty digesting so much food to fuel your training. Don't lie about it, its a fact.

sarkington · 2022-05-08T21:08:26+00:00

I think most men here are probably ok, but nothing special

It’s their expectations that seem…..not ideal

throwaway316stunner · 2022-05-08T20:59:34+00:00

You have to be able to do the exercises though.

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2022-05-08T23:02:59+00:00

I can also say from experience girls treat you much differently if you are hot/healthy vs fat and ugly. The difference is huge.

Absolutely true. But beyond that even men treat you differently too.

All said, some men are unfortunately ugly and even if they lose weight it won't solve their problems

shockedpikachu123 · 2022-05-08T23:18:15+00:00

this goes for women as well. I’ve been lifting for 2 years. At this point it isn’t about how I look physically, it’s about mindset and discipline

Smitten_Squire · 2022-05-08T23:23:36+00:00

You think they arent? Lol

JALopo1 · 2022-05-09T00:23:09+00:00

Dont forget sleep

RinoaRita · 2022-05-09T00:28:10+00:00

I don’t think it should be limited to just lifting though. Doing anything for fun and yourself will be attractive and doing anything because you think it’ll attract women but you don’t have a real interest would make you look desperate and unattractive.

Objectively physical health is a monkey brain factor to attractiveness but the stuff you propose isn’t the silver bullet if you’re miserable following that diet or lifting.

It needs to be more general like go and truly enjoy life and people (including women that are potential partners) will gravitate towards you because people are naturally attracted to happy confident people.

ConvolutedMaze · 2022-05-09T00:32:17+00:00

Women don't have to go to the gym or worry about their diet to attract men so why do I have to grind at the gym and at my job to attract women?

MrNemo22 · 2022-05-09T03:35:28+00:00

You know I gotta say I 100 percent agree with this. There have been times when I’ve been @ a healthy weight & got good attention from the ladies. However, my self esteem was low so I underestimated myself. Now I have great self-esteem, but unhealthy weight. Getting my fitness journey started tho! & will definitely be looking forward to seeing how my interactions/attention changes as my health matches my confidence! Also, I think these kind of posts are super helpful for getting a healthy dialogue going in the community about goal setting & value of delayed achievement. Tops to OP ✅

Pastelitomaracucho · 2022-05-09T04:15:01+00:00

There's no advice that can go against "become healthier".

None.

AggroWeasel · 2022-05-09T22:34:40+00:00

Lifting and eating healthy are both great! Guys should do those things.

But I would caution against suggesting that’s going to help with attracting women.

I love to lift - there was a span in my life where I didn’t miss a gym day for 2 years - but it literally did nothing to get me laid. And I was social and active that whole time. Literally did not have sex those 2 years.

Yes, if you go from being a slob to being in great shape, women will probably notice. But if you’re not visibly fat and already have a decent build, lifting really isn’t going to help you with women.

yaksoku_u56 · 2022-05-10T22:00:57+00:00

Totally correct hormones boost confidence with women. And since training is a game changer in terms of boosting testosterone levels naturally that's for sure should work.

cholmanattom · 2022-05-11T14:31:38+00:00

I really getting tired of negative comments when people about to do good for themselves. Just do it, regardless of motivation. Just keep doing, it might not guarantee the end result you want, but you will definitely feel better about yourself. Still better than these couch potatoes love to discourage good things.

urukshai · 2022-05-08T22:03:16+00:00

More women are overwheight than men.

criticalmale · 2022-05-08T21:52:16+00:00

This kinds of posts just remind me of the type of people I am interacting with here at PPD.

Working out for the last two weeks and eating healthy
Already feels sexier and more confident
Has the nerve to say "You should try it"

Truly bottom of the barrel men and women that think the bare minimum is worthy of bragging.

_Oh_Be_Nice_ · 2022-05-09T03:00:18+00:00

The 5 (Basic) Pillars of Attraction

Don't smell
Don't be "rapey"
Hit the gym
Have some money (at least to cover your own ass)
Ya gotta bring the funny

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DiamondLilyD · 2022-05-08T22:14:46+00:00

Most of them have autism, I don't think lifting is going to help with that.

nodegreenoknowledge · 2022-05-08T23:02:22+00:00

yea. I agree.

But, we should have started young, someone mentioned how it would take, at least, 1 and half years to see any work.

Had society focused on working out for BOTH genders, a lot of us wouldn't be here. Male and Female.

Now, after not working out all your life and eating like shit, it's going to be like trying to stop a multi-decade-long drug addiction, to food, and starting a habit that sucks dick for the first few months, working out. It's hard as shit and most people cannot do it alone.

basedconfidentsbro · 2022-05-08T23:38:40+00:00

lifting weight and eating healthy should be done for improving ur health not for women sure going fat to fit can increase attractiveness but still isn’t going to fix bone structure

FoxCQC · 2022-05-09T00:16:50+00:00

I do yoga and tai chi. Never cared much for weights.

boofthegirl · 2022-05-09T04:21:29+00:00

Basically, a lot of them need hobbies for more fulfilment in life.

WilliamWyattD · 2022-05-09T04:49:02+00:00

OFC this is true individually. But it also misses the point of the more sophisticated arguments about a possible imbalance in the SMP.

On a collective level, can one expect more effort from men? Average people will be average in motivation and discipline as well.

anonymousUser1SHIFT · 2022-05-09T05:40:05+00:00

I did all that before and got no results... I make a bunch of gym bros through, but no women.

Shredddz · 2022-05-09T09:11:32+00:00

as if men here were all these ugly fat incels. Im already fit and lean and while it helps it doesnt overcome the societal issue with women, feminism, media and society brainwashing and worshiping them for existing and masses of backboneless simps, OLD and social media making them delusional and entitled, arrogant hoes who are just nasty selfish narcissists.

Snowbattt · 2022-05-09T09:35:02+00:00

I think a lot of you guys miss the point. If you lift and work out the bigger picture is not "get big mussels because chicks luv big mussels", the idea is to feel confident in your own skin. A man instinctively wants to be muscular/athletic because that's simply how our male nature works. Little boys at school measure themselves to each other by strength most of the time. In nature, it's the strongest males who get the females.

When you're muscular and strong, you fulfil that instinctive desire. This makes you love yourself more, it makes you more confident and confidence is what's going to make you happy and eventually, lead to being able to attract women more easily, if that's what you wish. But feeling good in your own skin is the main goal. The bonuses this brings are just that: bonuses.

Admirable_Bee_8714 · 2022-05-09T09:54:48+00:00

Never ever do shit for the sole reason of attracting pussy. Eat well and lift because you want to.

lostwanderer28 · 2022-05-09T10:14:08+00:00

No u.

zexwyomom · 2022-05-09T15:07:24+00:00

Im lifting for 7 years now, girls not gonna approach you out of the blue.

jamesbwbevis · 2022-05-09T16:15:40+00:00

If she's not attracted to your face, lifting won't mean shjt

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-05-09T17:02:36+00:00

Hmm, I disagree with you. I've seen the same ripped guys with gym bods on dating apps/sites for years. If lifting and being healthy attracted women they wouldn't be on those apps for years. You can be as ripped as you like but in the end it doesn't make much difference as women no longer need men. It's high time men started following individualistict paths rather than following the herd.

2022-05-09T18:24:33+00:00

it isn't a guarantee though.

dottywine · 2022-05-12T06:18:40+00:00

I want to make a similar post to this but add "and see a therapist, consider anti-depressants"

Some guy private messaged me from this sub reddit and everything he described to me were perfect symptoms of moderate to severe depression.

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