Women do not naturally desire older men; they are forced to settle for them; and have a strong preference for men their own age.

TheScabSlayerTRP · 2023-02-01T13:09:06+00:00

This might come to a shocker to all you shmuck people but I agree. +/- 10 is my absolute limit. Don’t care if she’s a bomb shell either way once it’s outside that range it’s hard to do anything with her besides sex.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2023-02-01T13:56:19+00:00

Yes, women desire older men just not old men, only one guy I was with was exactly my age, there was one that was 2 years younger but rest all within 1-5 years older

Holden_Frame · 2023-02-01T20:46:19+00:00

Hey everybody! It's another heads women win, tails men lose post!

Let's recap:

Women don't care about height (ignore rule and look at the exceptions only), but they DO care about age (ignore the exceptions and look at the rule only)
Finding women in another country that are more likely to appreaciate you is wrong
Dating women younger than you is wrong
Using any form of "power imbalance" to your advantage in dating is wrong
Being an Incel is your own fault because women can detect you hate them, or something.

All roads lead to: Do what White Western Karen says otherwise you're literal trash.

So, while there aren't many younger women who genuinely prefer or are willing to date sometimes much older men, there are certainly enough that if you reach the top 20% of men between 40-50, you will have a very easy time with these women.

Your rambling about what a woman will "naturally desire" flies in the face of nearly every other post on this sub from women which indicates "compatibility" in various areas outside of pure physical appearance is paramount. If you claim that women demand men "their own age" you can't simultaneously pretend that they are "sapiosexuals who need to get to know a guy to feel any attraction"

Most of the much younger women I dated / hooked up with had at least something about them that made us click. Same as women my own age. It's literally no different, just more rare since younger women are usually not as cynical as me. Once in a while I meet one that is, we click over humor, philosphy and general outlook and that's more than enough.

Even when you explain away the "outliers" which are what women who prefer older men are, none of what you said matches my experience. In at least 3 cases, she monkey branched to me from a guy "her own age" and she pursued me. One was a stripper that had simps her own age offering her trips constantly. Funny she never took them up on that.

At the end of the day, IDGAF what bedroom police like OP think and neither should any other man.

I will continue to bang and have threesomes with very willing younger women 20+ years younger than me and there isn't a goddamn thing you can do about it.

Just knowing how much that must burn OP's ass makes me smile.

Finally, here's my favorite question to ask to this.

Say a 21 year old woman sees the original Star Wars for the first time in her life.

Who does she want to fuck by the end?

Luke Skywalker or Han Solo?

Certainly some 21 women will say Luke. Maybe even most. But to claim that no 21 year old women would say Han Solo despite him clearly being much older than themselves is ridiculous on its face.

BreezyBritt89 · 2023-02-01T15:27:10+00:00

Yeah,I don’t do older men. I don’t really have a reason to if I can get attractive and fun younger/my own age men.

statsfodder · 2023-02-01T12:57:57+00:00

"Guys my age are immature, I want an older man who has his shit together" - said by almost every women ever.

And as for the fact the relationship may end? Duh, she isn't yours, it is just your time....

gulpfiction2367 · 2023-02-01T13:26:50+00:00

Men will continue to argue that women like much older men. They most often prefer men their age or a few years older (up to 5) not 7 or 10.

One thing that I noticed in myself as in my 20s I was never attracted to men significantly older ever when I wanted to be because of money.

Now that I'm 30 I find I can stretch the age gap more but not 15 years, I mean for a long-term relationship you don't want his dick to stop working or for him to die and be a early widow. Men are often more unhealthy and die earlier than women. I personally always think of this factor.

I've seen it twice in my own life where the woman marries very young and the man is 7+ years older and rushes a family only to be heartbroken and financially burdened when she filled for divorce because she matured and didn't want him because the money gap wasn't worth it or men closer to her now age had matured aswell. (One man here is my uncle and my family always talks like he asked for it, which isn't fair)

I think men despite what is heard or believed or history be true to the fact that it's not 1930 and to be at least cautious when getting serious with a younger woman for their own sake.

empresa_josefina · 2023-02-01T13:40:13+00:00

Why do PPD women have such an axe to grind with the age gaps? There’s not much to discuss, we know the average gap is 3 years but with a wide standard deviation, and we know that if the old guy has high SMV and is a Chad, he can bang 22yos. At the limit you have Leo DiCaprio who just picked up a new 23yo model girlfriend. Sure she’s with him cus he’s famous rich and high status, but it’s not like Justin Bieber’ fame money and status is a non factor when he dates women his age.

So many of these threads, it’s annoying

UneastAji · 2023-02-01T12:54:45+00:00

How are highschool girls "forced" to go for the college men who have a car, a place, booze, and money, while they ignore the men their own age who look very juvenile and have none of this? Who forces them to go and fuck older men? Nowadays it's more a story of 17 year old girl with a 25 year old dude. But 50 years ago, 14 year old girls going out of their ways to fuck men in their late 20s was apparently not such a rarity, especially around military bases.

You think this is some sort of injustice that men their age are just not up to their insane standards? They're not forced, they do so out of greediness.

It works this way for other kinds of age gaps, some women are just not at all appealed by the men their age, either for actual measurable reasons, either for stupid made up emotional reasons. Some women just need he is superior to her to feel he's a true man, and that usually comes more easily with some age gap. Most of the time 3 year age gap suffices, sometimes some girls are really into 10 year age gaps, but it's def not the norm.

Brandy96Ros · 2023-02-01T16:00:51+00:00

Of course women don't naturally desire older men. I don't know why this is even in question. Men's testosterone levels and fertility start to drop off after 30.

meteorness123 · 2023-02-01T16:08:01+00:00

The problem with this is are you actually looking for the truth ? You're a woman on ppd and you're probaly just trying to get back at mens constant raving about the declining "smv" of aging women. Remember, a regular woman isn't that invested in a topic like this. The likelihood of your intentions being pure is not that high.

That said, yes most couples don't have huge age gaps. Personally as a man I don't want my woman to be 10+ younger than me and I don't understand the obsession with it. That said, I'm not gonna rage at people or couples who do have those age gaps.

ConstructionFun194 · 2023-02-01T22:14:40+00:00

Redpill men will cope and hypothesize all they want, but your write-up is nothing but facts. I mean check the statistics guys, it's blatant at this point, women do not like older men, they only want you for your lifestyle and resources, they'll spend that money on their young boyfriend that they truly love, that's a big L, if you're an old man and you want sex just hookermaxx.

Girlfriend, Sugar Babies and the other variants are just a money siphon, and big time simping.

winter_ro · 2023-02-03T16:19:57+00:00

I refer you to the real life experience of a large group of men. Who were CHEATED on, not outcompeted on a level playing field market. Actually discarded for a more hypergamous situation. Please downplay and minimize our feelings and experiences. Can’t wait till it’s acceptable for men to “speak their truth”

DebateRoyal4525 · 2023-02-01T13:03:23+00:00

I mean if you ever listen to young women bring up celebrities they think are attractive, the age range is massive. If a young guy finds a 30+ woman attractive what's always brought up immediately is "MILF". If a young woman finds a 30+ man attractive it's not even brought up. It doesn't even get brought up until the guy is like 50+ and then it starts getting into niche territory, but there's always that one girl there that's into that.

And as far as "Older celebrities look way better than normal old guys." Younger celebrities also look a lot better than normal younger guys.

I also just find it wild, that the women of PPD want to convince guys that they're all into dad bods and short guys and stuff, but they just can't stand aging. You want a young fat dude or something?

wtknight · 2023-02-01T13:24:28+00:00

Some women like the maturity of some older men, so these men might be more desired.

However, often the older men are just looking for hot sex and are not any more mature than the men her own age. They just have more money. There’s no reason for women to choose these men unless they are poor.

Gari_305 · 2023-02-01T13:01:21+00:00

Well, old men who believe much younger women naturally desire them are no different.

It's been known u/winter_ro that younger women naturally prefer older men as seen in the following:

See here

Sara Skentelbery and Darren Fowler (2016) investigated the attachment styles of heterosexual women who date older men.[ii] They note that research reveals a negative view of couples when the age gap between them is significant. They also recognize the commonly held belief that women who date men who are 10 or more years older have unhealthy relationships with their fathers. But is it true? According to their research, the answer is no.

In their study of 173 women, 44 of whom were dating men at least approximately 10 years older, the stereotype of women choosing significantly older paramours as a result of “daddy issues” was unsupported. Further, Skentelbery and Fowler found no significant difference in attachment styles between women in similar-age relationships and women in age-gap relationships. In fact, they found that 74 percent of the women in age-gap relationships enjoyed a relationship within which they were securely attached.

See here

Professor Madeleine Fugere is the author of The Social Psychology of Attraction and Romantic Relationships. She says that there is scientific evidence which suggests that ‘dad or shag’ is both a psychological and evolutionary phenomenon and not just a cultural cliché.

‘The research in this area shows that not only are younger women attracted to older men, but older men are attracted to younger women, a convenient situation for heterosexual couples’ she explains. ‘When we ask men and women what aged partner they would prefer, men tend to say that they would like a female partner who is a few years younger and women tend to say that they would like a male partner who is a few years older. This preference exists cross-culturally which suggests that it is nearly universal’. Professor Fugere points out that this phenomenon persists throughout our lives, as men age they prefer even younger partners while as women age they continue to prefer older partners until around the age of 70.

Also in the same article

In evolutionary terms, Professor Fugere says that for men it is, simply, about ‘ensuring that a prospective partner is fertile’ while women consider the resources an older man might have ‘such as income’. ‘An older partner may be in a better position to provide stability, he may also be more mature which a woman might prefer’, she explains.

The maturity aspect certainly speaks to Daisy’s situation. ‘He’s really kind and right on and never a twat compared to some of my friend’s partners, who are their own age’. Is this what attracted her to him in the first place? Yes, she says, ‘I think that might have something to do with when he grew up – he remembers Thatcherism properly, and what it was like when New Labour came in, and he’s never been exposed to 21st Century lad culture in any way, which I think is really nice’.

Similarly, Susan (not her real name) is 27 and currently about to move in with her 44-year-old boyfriend Shaun (yep, not his name either). She was, in part, drawn to him because, unlike men her own age, he ‘didn’t behave as though he had endless options on Tinder and [she] was just another drop in the ocean. Susan thinks there’s definitely an issue with younger men today behaving badly because dating apps and bro culture endorse it.

Thus we have two studies conducted in which yes women prefer older men due to their biology in nature u/winter_ro this runs counter the narrative of "A woman’s natural desire, though, will always be a guy her own age." you are trying to portray.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2023-02-01T15:18:33+00:00

Depends on the woman. While it is true that the largest group of women prefer a men close to her own age, there is a small group of young women who actively prefer older men. No more than 5%-10%. Probably closer to 5%, but I don't waste time on women who are never going to fuck me, so the number likely appears larger to me. And "older" usually means 10-12 years older, not 25-30 years older although that is possible but not probable. The good news is, for older guys, is that while the pool of girls who are into them will be much smaller, the girls in that pool will be super into them. At least IME.

So yeah, if you can read the signs they are out there. But the commonly leveled accusation in PPD that "Guys think when they are 35 that 18-22 year old women will flock to them!" is a canard. No guy thinks that and if they do, they are delusional. I can do what (and who) I do, only bc I'm tall, I developed Game, I'm a good earner and I don't have a big gut hanging over my belt. You you have to put the work in.

modidlee · 2023-02-01T13:45:30+00:00

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Willow-girl · 2023-02-01T14:00:35+00:00

You're way overthinking this.

Attractiveness is more binary IMO. It's an "is/isn't" sort of thing.

The only caveat I'd offer in regards to a relationship with an older man is that his sex drive is likely to fizzle at some point.

PrettyBeautiful7030 · 2023-02-01T14:15:47+00:00

He starts up a conversation with her and they sense a mutual attraction and compatibility. She learns that the 39y/o guy is comparable to her partner in almost every way. There would be a higher likelihood of her monkey branching into a relationship with the 39y/o guy.

Exactly

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-02-01T16:21:47+00:00

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ZealousidealAd7191 · 2023-02-01T16:22:21+00:00

I would probably agree with the OP statement. Yes women generally prefer a man in their age bracket…who has the qualities that tend to be associated with men older than them.

winter_ro · 2023-02-01T16:43:25+00:00

Our lizard brain looks at at the opposite sex and all it cares about is 'do yhey have good genetics, should I reproduce with them?'.

Good genetics means healthy, thick hair, nice skin, virility. These are (generally) found with younger men.

We have been socialised to look for other traits, and we definitely take them into consideration - but they don't over ride biology.

I'm 31yo and I accept this, I urge other people to accept it as well.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-02-01T19:36:44+00:00

Yeah, a guy dating a stripper is the story we should all learn from..

Some girls like daddy-guys, some girls just like hot guys and don't mind if they're 38.

Life goes on, nothing to see

Alone-Art-3575 · 2023-02-07T03:00:22+00:00

Yeah. Most men are fat and ugly at 40. The George Clooney types are in the .01% of old guys in the looks department. The only reason Stacy would want some pathetic, fat, balding, little manlet would be if he had money. He would never be loved or cared about. XD

feanoric · 2023-02-01T12:58:23+00:00

If she chooses them, then it is never "forced".

Women do not care as much about male age, but they do care about other things like money, status, height, attractiveness, jobs, etc.

So no, men don't have it better for being able to marry older.

OriginalThought171 · 2023-02-01T12:42:15+00:00

Its not about age its about life circumstances. Also its also how well you take care of yourself and how old you look. A 35 year old who looks 25 will have greater success than a 25 year old who looks 35. I've seen both cases.

EDIT: Also the older you get the less age gaps are important. 20 year old with a 35 year old = Ok weird, 30 year old with a 45 year old = more acceptable.

Bangmade · 2023-02-01T14:02:31+00:00

If men want honest, lasting relationships

To fuck the same aging nagging boring pussy day in and day out when even marriage today js a glorified quickie? Not like it's a tradeoff for building something lifetime lol.

Might as well the fuck the hottest girls available 🤷‍♂️caring why she's making the hole available is so effeminate. Wet dick is wet dick.

mustangfrank · 2023-02-01T14:06:13+00:00

Only a woman would write BS like this.

My time as a wingman for a Chad

Chad is a lawyer and was working on USA/Russia oil business contracts in NYC. Every 2 weeks, he would fly up to NYC for a week and work with his Russian counterpart. He was doing this for 4-6 months, always the same flights. One day, a stewardess at American Airlines asked him if he would like to spend a week with her in Hawaii. He could fly on her companion fare, round trip, for $100 and split the cost of the one bedroom hotel room at $62 a night. As Chad is telling me about this, sarcastically I say,”And the problem is”. He says he knows he could get better looking women in Hawaii and bring them up to the room for sex. He didn’t want to bring them to the room while the stewardess was there. He had no doubt he could find women to have sex with, the issue was the stewardess.

Chad is out with a friend of mine. He is in his late 40’s but looks early 30’s. Two women, ages 22 and 26 have the hots for Chad. They are asking my friend about Chad to get the inside track on him. These women are topless dancers. How do we know? They said so. The end of the night, Chad gets both of their numbers.

Chad would go to singles events, not to find a GF, LTR or a possible wife, but to restock his harem. Women who go to singles everts, may be a bit older and are actively looking for a man in their life. These women are easy prey for a Chad. The best these women will be is an 8. Chad is a USDA Grade A 100% certified solid gold 10. These women think they hit the jack pot, when all he is interested in is a quick and easy lay. He would date/fuck them for a few times, but once they stared talking serious long term stuff i.e. marriage, kids, etc., he would block their phone calls and delete their numbers. Women never asked why such a good looking man in his late 30’s or early 40’s was never married or had kids. He was single, for a reason. He didn’t want to get married. Why choose one woman when he can have many? And that is exactly what he did.

Chad and I are to meet at a singles event. He is already there. I am waiting to get inside. We see each other through the doorway. There is a woman 30-32, 5’7”, wearing a light brown woman’s business suit. She is in shape, slender, and the suit fits her well. She has a darker brown purse over her shoulder that matches her brown shoes. She took care to dress herself and it showed. If she is not the most attractive woman at the event, she is one of the more attractive women at the event. She is by herself in a corner of the room. I am planning on approaching her once inside. She starts walking, so I keep an eye on her. She walks right up to Chad. She gives him her name and phone number.

I set Chad up with a woman I know in my home owners association. Chad picks her up. She is so memorized by his looks, they don’t go out. They go to his place for sex. How do I know? Chad tells me.

Chad and I are at a C&W bar. Chad says,”Oh no. This is going to be painful. I didn’t want to run into her.” I look up to see the backside of a woman pass behind a wooden column that holds up the roof of the bar. A second later, the first thing I see emerging on the other side of the column are huge breasts, then the woman. She then turns and is walking towards us. She is 42, 5’8” 34FF, 28, 38, has a mane of blond hair piled 2-3 inches on her head, flowing over her shoulders down to her elbows. She is former Miss Sweden and has been in TV, Radio and movies. She has her own advertising company and has her own money. She is beautiful and in shape. She wants to marry Chad. Chad wants no part of it.

I worked at GE as a field service engineer. I would get a new car when my old one hit 60K miles. I am talking to Chad on his purchase of a new Ford Explorer. He mentions he bought it at a certain dealership. He said his salesperson was a woman about 25. She was below average in looks but had huge breasts. Her breasts made milk, even though she was not pregnant. She had a hormone imbalance and they made milk all the time. He would go to her apartment 2-3 times a week to drain her breasts, and she would drain his balls. I later realized the dealership he bought his Explorer was the same dealership that I was to get my new company car. I go to the dealership showroom floor and there she was. She is wearing a shirt 4-5 times bigger than her normal size. Her breasts were pineapple size almost down to her waist. She looked as he described her. Maybe a 5 for the face, so so on the body.

Chad and I are at a C&W bar. A girl asks me to dance with her girlfriend. After dancing with her, I ask the girl if she would like to dance with my friend (Chad). When she meets Chad, her eyes go wide open. She is grinning from ear to ear. At this point in time she tilts her head to the right with her tongue hanging out the right side of her mouth. Both of her hands are balled up under her chin as she is staring up to him with goo goo eyes. She made a fool out of herself. We are talking about a 42 year old woman, not a 12 year old girl. I look at her, then at him, then straight ahead and think WTF is going on here. But this is how women responded around him. He was like catnip to women. They would lose their minds and act stupid. Chad gets her number, they go to his home a few days later. There is a hot tub outside. They climb in, but she says no to sex. This is on a Tuesday night, but she says call me Thursday. Thursday night they have sex in the hot tub. BTW She was the regional director of Balley’s President and First Lady Health Clubs. She visits various clubs, in various states, to make sure they are clean and maintained. Thus, this was going to be an ONS for her. She would never see him again. But a good man, he will have to prove himself worthy of her in the city where she lives. No six day sex for him, and all with her hamster’s approval.

The Russian lawyer he was working with on oil contracts was a 27 year old woman. She was blonde and average in looks and body. He showed me a photo of her. He tell tells me she stayed with him the final month before the contracts were signed in NYC. He was 52 at the time, she 27. He only has one bed in his home. Where do you think she slept?

AnyIntroduction3288 · 2023-02-01T15:39:47+00:00

I’m attracted to older men who are 3-7 years older than me with my limit being 10 years older. I am not attracted to any men who are 15+ years older than me unless they can make me a Range Rover Pilates housewife with plastic surgery, Jenny Craig, and kids going to the best schools with the best extracurricular activities and opportunities, and won’t divorce me and leave me homeless. “Omg that’s gold digging”. Well a guy who is 15+ years older than his wife is youth digging so with such an age gap it’s transactional.

MistyMaisel · 2023-02-01T16:56:34+00:00

Beep Boop: Yes, women prefer slightly older men (2-5 years typically). Beep boop, Yes, men prefer slightly younger women (2-5 years typically). Beep Boop, silly gooses extrapolate from this that women want men who are much much older (10+) years and men want women who are much much younger (10+) years. Beep Boop, they need to stop doing this for their revenge fantasies. Get realistic revenge fantasies, people.

Ok_Change_1063 · 2023-02-01T17:42:14+00:00

The sheer amount of matches I get on an Omegle clone of women looking for dad, daddy, papi, older, and even grandpa says otherwise. They’re not getting any money out of the encounter. They’re looking to get off.

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bootyhunter69420 · 2023-02-01T14:48:11+00:00

I think women like men with higher status and more resources and older men are better off in that category.

Sofia_sticated91 · 2023-02-01T15:32:30+00:00

The amount of women who have jumped my bones and were younger than me says this post feels like a rather weak gotcha attempt

Edit: NVM, I am an idiot who can't read. Saw the +age thing you have mentioned

Safinated · 2023-02-01T15:38:35+00:00

The existence of fetishes, inherent or created, says otherwise

Ohmaygahh · 2023-02-01T15:57:30+00:00

and have a strong preference for men their own age.

No. False. In high school, the most desirable and attractive girls were dating college guys. In college, they were dating grads/1st year full time professional workers/people outside the school social matrix (artists, dropouts, modeling, etc). Once graduated, it's been all over the place.

2023-02-01T16:31:59+00:00

"The highest value women have their pick in men and therefore don’t have to settle."

The fundamental error in your reasoning is that high value men and women who have options are looking for entirely different things because men and women are fundamentally different. Most men of all ages are attracted to young women and men with the opportunity and means to date young women will do so.

That's why you have all these older career women "boss babes" all over social media wondering why they are single and the men who are at the equivalent social status are strangely not attracted to them and prefer younger women.

RegTextoffender · 2023-02-01T16:41:20+00:00

This is a "kinda".

If I could transport my brain into my 21 year old body I'd be the chad of chads, not based on looks but based on the maturity, game, etc I've gained over the years.

But at 21 I was barely getting out of the clueless stages.

Being female attraction is based more than just on looks, its a package deal. Immature young guy, still attractive and more suave older guy. There are limits of course.

Pathosgrim · 2023-02-01T16:47:50+00:00

Forced to settle for old men? Not natural? Huh? Hypergamy is natural because that was this is. Sounds like money.

JSears90210 · 2023-02-01T17:13:34+00:00

Dating a stripper is going to do that to you. As is providing a lifestyle for someone who is not living with you in a committed relationship. I feel bad for anyone who gets taken advantage of but this guy did it to himself.

People in the top 5% (Maybe 2%) of desirability are going to have a lot of options regardless of their age. A good looking man or woman who is successful is going to be able to date a wide range of ages. (Not every person they find attractive but a good deal.)

I found some younger women like men who are older than they are because they are more settled, stable and have a higher status in the biz world they both inhabit. It is a smaller % of women. Less than 20%. I absolutely agree that the vast majority of people like to date near their own age. However, if you are very desirable there are enough people who are open to age gap relationships that there will be a lot of opportunities.

Ohmaygahh · 2023-02-01T17:20:48+00:00

Imagine there’s a 36y/o woman who settled for and is seeing a 52y/o man. She’s satisfied in her relationship with him. On one fall morning, in a coffee shop, she meets a 39y/o man who she finds attractive. He starts up a conversation with her and they sense a mutual attraction and compatibility. She learns that the 39y/o guy is comparable to her partner in almost every way. There would be a higher likelihood of her monkey branching into a relationship with the 39y/o guy

Quick, we have to inform George Clooney that he's on THIN ICE!

luroot · 2023-02-01T17:22:37+00:00

“The next time you’re feeling horny, you need to call ME!”

Lol, simp daddy is still giving her a next time? 🤣🤦‍♂️

retal1ator · 2023-02-01T18:34:53+00:00

The issue wasn’t the age gap here, it’s that he dated a damned stripper.

DeJuanBallard · 2023-02-01T19:13:08+00:00

Long post does not equal correct statement.

purplish_possum · 2023-02-01T19:59:52+00:00

Age is a secondary factor.

Women desire attractive men. Some men are never attractive so age doesn't matter. Many men lose their looks as they age. For these men age matters a lot but not in a good way. A minority of men maintain their attractiveness. For these men age doesn't matter much.

YveisGrey · 2023-02-01T20:45:01+00:00

Honestly I even know men who reject way younger or way older. I think compatibility is important to most people and dating someone a lot older or younger tends to take away from that.

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WideAwake550 · 2023-02-01T22:49:22+00:00

The thing is: If a man is desirable in his 30's, that's generally going to transcend age.

I'm 30, keep myself in excellent shape, speak articulately, etc. and impressing early 20's women is just too easy to me. I don't even have to flash my bank account or my possessions before them. I drive a 2010 Corolla and live a rather frugal life but I still attract plenty of women in their early 20's.

Obviously, an ugly or fat/sloppy man in his 30's won't have as much success in that regard but there's plenty of younger men that are ugly and fat/sloppy and the latter is more likely to be perceived as competent and mature which plays in his favor.

And that's what it really boils down too. 30 something men have a general advantage over 20 something men in the same vein that 20 something women have a general advantage over 30 something women. It's not meant to be absolutist but speaking in general terms.

Elderly grandpas aren't even a factor here. That's not who we're referring to even though though rich grandpas can make it work. We're just talking about how men generally have an easier time dating a wide variety of women in our 30's or even 40's as long as we take good care of our looks and money.

And that's another thing women on here always leave out: the fact that the RP emphasizes men getting their looks/fitness and money in order in order to be able to make age gap relationships work. No one has ever said that an awful looking 33 year old neckbeard is going to suddenly have women lining up for him when he visits a college. That was never the argument but it still gets misrepresented to this day.

nunchuckbitch27 · 2023-02-01T23:07:14+00:00

I love the way you broke this down I’m one of the outliers in your post I’m in an age gap marriage there is a 16 year age gap between me and my husband we started dating when I was 20 but going by your breakdown I was not interested in older men I wanted to date someone my own age the most important thing I was looking for was character I don’t know what monkey branching is I’m going to assume it’s dating multiple men I never did that once I was in a committed relationship but while I was single I definitely would go out with multiple men at a time while I was looking for my long term choice I was also not sleeping with any of them I would only have sex with someone if it was going to be a long term thing I only bring that up because if it became obvious to me that sex was the only thing someone I was dating seemed interested in that would guarantee I wouldn’t be seeing them again and was a character trait that was a huge turn off some of the men I was dating were better looking then my husband some of them came from wealthy families 1 had both but none of the men had the right personality the ones that were charming in any way were the same ones that only wanted sex when I met my husband he did check all the boxes he had everything I was looking for especially his personality he wasn’t the best looking guy I dated like I said but I was still sexually attracted to him mainly because he looked younger then he is but his age was a big turn off it was the only thing “wrong” with him but it was a problem and it was what was keeping me from getting into a relationship with him sooner because of the age gap I vetted him more then any other guy when we first met there was instant attraction and flirting on both ends but because of the age gap I wouldn’t even go out to dinner or a have a date with him for 6 months because I was looking for someone younger my own age but I couldn’t find any better option in my age range so we went on a date and then started dating fairly regularly it was at that point that I stopped looking for other options and stopped dating other guys but I still wasn’t totally ready to commit to him either because of the age gap we dating for 6 more months before I had sex with him and we got into a relationship and now we have been together 20 years so the age gap relationships can and do work but it’s much harder and takes more work

Embarrassed_Cup2524 · 2023-02-01T23:34:07+00:00

my (27f) ex (28 male) is 2 months older than me. at first I thought he was 8 months, I'm bad at math haha, but we met when we were both 24 on discord and I felt attracted to him and I guess vice versa since he went overseas to see me.

anyway, I dont think I mid his age at all but i had some type of insecurity of him wanting to be with a younger woman at all at some point. him and I arent together right now but we had some plans to "tie the knot" etc

I dont actually know how he felt about me being younger by 2 months but he told me several times "i always wanted some girl who was my age or similar, so we would feel similar to each other:)"

BensonInFL · 2023-02-01T23:39:51+00:00

The bigger the age gap, the lower the likelihood her interest is genuine.

The problem with your entire thesis, is that the bigger the age gap, the less the guys' care whether the interest is genuine. They don't want to have her as a long term gf, wife, etc. They are happy if she runs away because he didn't have to waste the emotional effort to break up with her.

Your example of your friend in his 40's who fell for a 20's stripper and was shocked to see her with another guy and was heartbroken is rare. Most of the time, if you date a young poor girl, its *initially* fun because you get to take her out to exciting places which she appreciates, and you have sex with her... but then there are more and more demands placed on you.. without any more benefits, most guys run when its no longer fun, some guys like me place more demands on her and it turns into a fun game :) .... only the most naïve guys out there think that you building attraction by providing/caring for her

-B

Nihi1986 · 2023-02-02T00:24:26+00:00

You base your conclusion on the guy being older and not the girl being a stripper???

Anyway, women tend to be more attracted to slightly older men, for some reason. When the age gap is relatively big, it's because that guy is of higher value (all things considered) than her peers.

Why is this so prevalent? Because the older guy is more likely to have a stable, better income, more life experience and better social skills. This wouldn't necessarily be enough when he's ugly but there are many, many men who look quite well even in their 40's. It helps that at certain age ranges men even look more masculine.

If we take all their other qualities away and a woman has to chose between two extremely similar guys, she's most likely chosing the one who's a few years older.

In the end it's just about common sense. If you are a guy who looks better at 30 than he did at 20, are now making more money, wiser, perhaps even healthier, you might find yourself getting more interest from women. However, if you still aren't any kind of Chad and the hot 20yo cheerleader wants to date you, you should admit it feels fishy and be careful, she's likely really inmature compared to you and might make you beta bux while cheating on you with a more attractive guy, whatever his age.

Also, avoid strippers regardless your age, come on...you just don't date those expecting an LTR and potential marriage ffs...

Diamond-Breath · 2023-02-02T00:35:00+00:00

Hi there. I “naturally” desire older men. I prefer their appearance (generally bulkier, have some wrinkles/fine lines, and greys) as well as many aspects of their personality (maturity, self assurance, straight-forwardness, etc.), and I greatly value their greater life experience. I married a man 25 years older than me, whom I find to be incredibly sexy, and I am so happy with him. I don’t think anybody is going to compare to him ever, so the likelihood of me leaving him is virtually zero, unless he were to become abusive and/or a danger to our child.

Other women like me exist.

throw_it_awayyy8 · 2023-02-02T01:34:47+00:00

Yall really be writing whole research papers onpy to be told "yea some of this maybor may not he true but we are indoviduals so here is why it's flawed:"

Every single time.

Darkly_Comical · 2023-02-02T03:49:11+00:00

I am several years older than my girlfriend. Yet we look the same age. In fact she jokes about someday looking older than me—I take care of myself and I have good genetics (thanks mom and dad) so I look quite young for my age. For reference, my dad is 75 but gets mistaken for early 50’s.

With our relationship there’s definitely some challenges due to differences in mindset that comes with age, but ultimately we are together because our sexual/romantic chemistry is 12/10. So i. my specific case I’d have to disagree with you regarding younger women only settling or not being attracted to older guys. Ultimately it comes down to attraction and attractiveness, and for some people it doesn’t scale 1:1 with age.

Scarce12 · 2023-02-02T04:48:02+00:00

Teenage girls don't go for guys their age, it all starts from there.

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-02-02T05:22:33+00:00

Age matters for two reasons: looks and logistics. All other things being equal, the younger guy obviously wins, because he is on average more physically attractive. Also, age gap of let's say 20 years obviously messes with the logistics of family and kids. However, most of the time everything else isn't equal though. If both parties get whatever they want from the exchange of value, it's not settling. By that same logic, all men want a 20 year old supermodel that will stay 20 for eternity, anything other than that is quite simply settling and 99.99% of men have settled.

Whether a woman cheats or monkey branches mostly comes down to values and morals, and established patterns and behaviors. That's it. That's the most important factor. Same goes for men obviously. If they lack those, good luck. Noone is actually safe 100%. You can be hot, rich, blablabla, there is a chance if you pick the wrong woman, she might cheat with a guy lesser than you in every conceivable way. I've seen it happen quite a few times.

Sure a younger hotter woman might cheat on/money branch from her wealthier older less attractive husband. It's a possibility of course. But she is playing dirty, has no concept of honor and duty, her word and vows mean nothing, and she is doing everything for selfish gains. But that's a game guys can play as well. For example an average looking guy with a lot of money can marry an average looking lady with a lot of money, or maybe even better a lady slightly lower than him in looks, intentionally, just for the purpose of procreating and continuing his bloodline. Now imagine if this guy is a psychopath, likes to play dirty, has zero honor and his word means jack shit. He can game the system. Divorce laws? Well the woman is equally wealthy so he won't lose much in the divorce. Desirability after divorce? The woman especially when saddled with two kids won't ever be able to find a guy like him for anything longterm at least not when it comes to status and superficial traits, so she is way more likely to choose to stay with him. Then he leverages his position in the marriage and goes out to fuck hot 20 year old prostitutes and escorts to fullfill his primal urges for hot women. This guy is basically winning in the game. The only price is his soul.

Diamond-Breath · 2023-02-02T09:33:40+00:00

Yes, even in the poorest countries women and girls are literally forced to marry older men. Most women desire handsome men, and they're usually young-looking/same age as them. It's just that men are allowed to grow old and some way or another they try to tell us that they're better than their younger counterparts and/or force us to be with them.

2023-02-02T11:44:58+00:00

I mean, I agree.

Who does NOT like a young, vigorous man (of legal age!)?

rpc_e · 2023-02-02T14:06:27+00:00

I prefer men who are 2-5 years older than me (I’m 20). Men a little older than me are more mature and attractive to me than guys who are my age/slightly younger.

Complex-Glass-8539 · 2023-02-03T05:55:20+00:00

As an older dude (early 40’s) who has been hooking up for the past 4 years with some degree of regularity with women from 25-50, and has money, but also looks decent and is fun. The reason I like younger women are basically because they are the opposite of what you say and women my age are the opposite as well. Younger women are much less likely to want me to do anything to support them, or pay for anything for them. They expect so, so, so much less from me than women my age. I haven’t met a woman over 35 that wasn’t a gold digger compared to any women I’ve been with under 30. Younger women usually are with me because they like spending time around me, women my age want my stats; they want to know what I can do for their life. Younger women just think I’m a good time, don’t have expectations and just enjoy me. I just went exclusive with a woman for the first time in a long time, she wants nothing to do with my money, she wants me, my attention and affection….that’s it. Women my age give me compliments on my achievements, younger women compliment how I look, fuck, act.

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Ordinary_Tax9322 · 2023-02-03T08:23:50+00:00

Women are not attracted to older men from a biological standpoint like men are to younger women.

Women are attracted to status and resources, an older men is more likely to gain those in a higher degree then his younger male counterpart.

KamuiObito · 2023-02-03T17:54:10+00:00

Thank you I agree…older men get played like younger women…and vise versa

SoldierExcelsior · 2023-02-02T00:45:51+00:00

I think where conflating two diffrent things...I don't think 50 year old men are out here considering marrying 23 yr old women ...but we're definitely clapping those cheeks...for about an hour a few times.a week

So sure women aren't linning up to marry older men, generally the good looking gray wolf's are allready taken so the single older men looking for relationships are the men that where always unnatractive...I don't know any divorced man in his 50s even considering remarriage.I know a few that got younger women pregnant but won't marry them and the girls want to be married.

If your not a Chad women are just going to use you for resources no matter your age 23 or 53 .

I'm not a Chad so women don't want to date me anyway regardless of age but I've had a lot of young women now these women don't want to date me or marry me but they will definitely let me smash I have to turn them down as I need to rejuvinate...this weekend I had a 19 and 21 year old it wasn't planned went to chill with one and her friend was their after having one I asked if the other one was feeling left out she let me have the cheeks too.

I can get younger women with no problem...Now some will say but you have to pay well men always pay in one way or the other but these women have options they hit me up,they could have reached out to another dude and they were attractive like 20s Nicole Sherzinger and Linsie Lohan

I do have friends that date younger women but these guys are Chad's and always have been but most are married and the young ladies are just side pieces.

So when I say older guys can get younger women I'm talking about getting the cheeks not her hand in marriage there's no way in hell I'm marrying a woman I don't even want to date come overr twice a week drain the pipes massage the back and detail my car I'm good.

TrueEnoughNewsViews · 2023-02-01T13:19:24+00:00

Lol. Most attractive women have looks at about 80%-90% of their focus with asshole being the remainder.

gate18 · 2023-02-01T14:03:33+00:00

... He fell for a stripper, started dating and taking care of her. ...

What about another guy that falls for a stripper and lives happily ever after?

Surprisingly, I’ve met quite a few married strippers throughout the years and a lot who are either engaged to be married or are in a relationship with someone. - here

I’d guess that most women today weigh these factors somewhat equally (i.e. 33.3% 33.3% 33.3%…or say 40% 25% 35% as a more natural example) for her ideal partner.

No chance. There's so much variety that you choose to ignore.

9/10, it’s a man in her peer group. If women naturally desired old men, then wouldn’t high value women choose the oldest men possible?

Usually her peer group is most available around where she hangs out.

...40-44 | 45-49 | 50-54 | 55-59

I bet in those age ranges things get more mixed. Because the lifestyle of a 40 y/o and a 55 y/o would be similar compared to, say a 25 and a 35 year old as a 25 would be in university and a 35 would be at work and have a slightly more divided social life - even this is not clear cut.

Why didn’t these centerfolds sneak off to or enter into new relationships with old men?

Because where they hung out there were more young men than old.

abaxeron · 2023-02-01T15:00:06+00:00

Women do not naturally desire older men; they are forced to settle for them

By who? You know it's illegal, right?

The bigger the age gap, the lower the likelihood her interest is genuine.

The highest risk factor that her interest is not genuine is if she's female, you're male, and you have something that she wants.

The chances of a random woman experiencing genuine desire towards a random man are so small that statistical "likelihoods" stop being applicable; additional factors such as age only slightly change this already pretty shitty baseline. Even within current level of personal freedoms, couples based on genuine desire are abysmally rare, and the only reason they keep sometimes occurring is because men are willing to strive for them and bear the burden of rejections and failures.

Finally, your line of reasoning contains a fallacy: a man cannot increase his dating chances by shrinking his dating pool. And your whole post seems like you suggest men start rejecting women who show interest in them if they aren't sufficiently old.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2023-02-01T16:03:12+00:00

He fell for a stripper, started dating and taking care of her. One day, he was admiring her photos on Instagram

Yeah we will have to throw out this example altogether, as it's just a doofy normal guy being with a girl who's too hot for him to handle. For every doofy loser you can name, we can rattle off a Clooney.

For a woman in any given age group, her top pick will be a man who is also in that age group and qualifies (her preference for looks, status, character). He will be the first in line for consideration. “1st Pick”

If there are no qualifying men in that group, she will consider a man in the next age group. He is 2nd in line for consideration. “2nd Pick”

If there are no qualifying men in that group, she will consider a man in the next age group. He is 3rd in line. “3rd Pick”

So on and so forth. She settles in regards to age until she finds the best balance of factors.

That's all wrong. There is no calculus like this going through a woman's mind.

A woman's top pick will always be the guy who makes her feel best. It's very simple.

modidlee · 2023-02-01T17:44:36+00:00

Why do people in here act like dating and relationships and who we choose versus who we don’t choose is some cold robotic process with rigid rules and regulations? Do men in general like younger women? Yes. Does that mean that he’ll automatically disqualify every older woman in favor of a younger woman? No. Just like men will say they prefer a woman with no children. But there’s definitely a single mother out there that he’d choose over a childless woman. Women in general like men close to their age. Does that mean she’ll automatically disqualify every older man in favor of a guy her own age? No. Women are wired to want men with money. But there’s definitely an average earning guy out there that she’d choose over a guy with more money. It’s kind of funny to see these back and forth exchanges in here when we all can see real life examples that either go against or support our arguments. A lot of the “debates” in here really boil down to men wanting women to feel hopeless and women wanting men to feel hopeless imo

JoeRMD77 · 2023-02-02T06:21:10+00:00

That's just too damn bad I guess. Not my fault young women give into older men because they're more established. That's all you women say you want is some guy who's got his s*** together, and lot of men don't mature until around my age or 40.

And you'll hear women complain about a lot of things but one thing you don't hear women complain about is how old a guy is. They'll complain about his height, they'll complain about his lack of money, but I never see a woman complaining about age when it comes to a man. So again, most of this old man / young woman crap is coming from bitter old women just like the stuff about Chad's is coming from young guys who aren't getting any right now.

In the end, you're going to settle for someone on your level just like a majority of people do. And for a lot of young women, that just means older men are on their level. Sorry, not sorry. But if you didn't find a good man by 40, you can't expect the men at your age to stay single because you wouldn't date them when you were younger. Now it's our turn to date younger women while you complain about never being able to find a good man. Sorry, but not sorry, that I've gotten more attention at 38 than I ever did when I was 23.

Title	Women do not naturally desire older men; they are forced to settle for them; and have a strong preference for men their own age.
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Date	February 1, 2023 11:56 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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