Dating men are NOT better people than Virgins

MarioWilson122 · 2025-06-03T01:17:58+00:00

yeah virgin or incel men get dissed more then anyone even if they arent really the ones that make fun of women. Basically since it isnt socially unacceptable to do it everyone freely does it with no regard.

The men ive seen do it mostly are actually the guys that can actually get women pretty easily as they can get them regardless of how they speak about them.

Zestyclose_Sugar4573 · 2025-06-03T02:47:00+00:00

It is interesting how overall the opposite sexes see or treat virginity differently. Many men see female virgins as sexually desirable (positive). Many women see male virgins as sexually undesirable (negative).

Virgin men are in a similar dilemma as people trying to get a job for the first time. Lack of experience usually becomes a barrier to getting a job. Because they lack sexual experience, they get no sexual consideration. Because they get no sexual consideration, they lack sexual experience. (A catch 22.)

Hot-Impact-5860 · 2025-06-03T06:23:08+00:00

The world is competitive for a man and is designed to break & discard him. Ofc this is a disgusting lie. It's not about you, it's about your skill. If you grew up without a father figure, you don't even have the slightest chances to know the skill. You're screwed just by not being exposed to knowledge all humans can learn from.

And the world just punishes you for it for no reason.

ThanosSnapsSlimJims · 2025-06-03T04:47:29+00:00

When I was younger, I lost mine to get rid of it and to be left alone about it. It was enjoyable, but I never understood the emergency or necessity in it that the women were stating it was.

I'm married now, and enjoy it with my wife. However, I look down on women that shame guys for being virgins.

Bodily autonomy shouldn't just be for one gender/sex.

Alternative_Cod2280 · 2025-06-03T14:50:04+00:00

It's basic coward behavior, strong with the weak but weak with the strong, women will berate and complain to the men they won't open their legs to but won't say a word.

And there's also the satisfaction to see the designated vilains suffer and feel better about their situations cause at least they got what those pesky undesirable men will never have, that's why people easily dink on them despite those men rarely interact with women to put in application their misogynistic view while actual misogynist act free behind closed doors.

Oh and remember that women, according to themselves, can't sniff out bad men who will abuse them, so ultimately they're just talking out their ass

DGenerationMC · 2025-06-03T02:36:49+00:00

I was listening to the redditonwiki podcast

And that's where you messed up

maxmillius_chaddicus · 2025-06-03T15:11:46+00:00

I couldn't get a lady out for coffee for 6 years. Got muscular and fit, updated my photos, and had 8 first dates within 2 weeks of updating my photos, with 8 different women. Turns out theyre all just shallow.

At this point I had been working in AI cancer detection, had an engineering degree.

The women I dated proceeded to invite me over for date 2, cook me dinner, and fuck me.

Who woulda guessed that the blue pill is wrong

Zestyclose_Sugar4573 · 2025-06-03T03:00:53+00:00

I seem to remember that the guys that my sister and her friends dated were generally assholes who mistreated them. I was sometimes invited to their get togethers and they also came over when my sister had them over for parties, etc. I was usually the only guy without anyone there. Sometimes, I asked myself what I did wrong to be the only guy without anyone. Eventhough, these girls were with these guys, they were silently suffering at times. I know this from what my sister said to me and her friends said to my sister about several of their boyfriends. They acted like things were OK on the surface when things weren't OK below the surface.

WebNew9978 · 2025-06-03T06:11:28+00:00

Usually being an older virgin (like me) is usually a sign that something is different about us. It’s very unusual for someone to be a older virgin. People will wonder why and assume the worst. For older virgins, they get into a very vicious cycle where they can’t get experience cause they’re undesirable. Yet women expect them to have experience.

And then people get super pissed at them when they start believing in what my user flair is.

OpticalEpilepsy · 2025-06-03T01:17:28+00:00

People that say virgins are bad are like people that think taco bell is authentic mexican food or people that put raisins in potato salad. An extremely low percentage of people do these things but they are talked about as if they are popular views. Just ignore them.

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darthsyn · 2025-06-03T06:00:13+00:00

I've grown up in a world where I constantly viewed the mocking of men who are virgins. Being still a virgin now and one for the rest of my life, I have had to endure a lot of shame and private humiliation, so I know that this is still a prominent joke for many in this world and that many men who are unsuccessful in dating and sex will likely face similar struggles as they try and come to terms with this trial. What is most bothersome is that after the constant jokes and mockery, people are surprised that men have negative reactions and develop problems later on. The media will often mock both sides of this coin, where they will make fun of the virgin, then shame him for later having a certain view of things.

Flaky_Weakness2071 · 2025-06-03T04:24:26+00:00

Yes virgin women are sought after but no women has a fantasy of wanting a virgin man. It’s pretty hilarious that some dudes think their is a women out there waiting for them

SeaworthinessSea2407 · 2025-06-03T02:11:30+00:00

I mean it obviously depends on context. Someone who is a virgin and espouses incel bs doesn't get sympathy. But someone who's just not had good luck or is deliberately staying celibate is obviously different

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Lift_and_Lurk · 2025-06-03T14:18:45+00:00

This is once again the problem of “red/blue” “right/wrong” “good/bad” binary thinking

“It says more about you” to a binary thinker is “oh that means I must be bad”. When it really means “take a hard look at yourself and see what you can do to be dateble”

Because being able to date isn’t a “good person cs bad person thing”. It’s literally just “who is actually able to pull”

Some Bad people are datable. A lot of good people are too. A lot of bad people aren’t datable. Some good people aren’t either.

“Datable” isn’t the reason a person is good/better: it means what it says.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-06-03T17:08:57+00:00

We know, but it’s about attractiveness, not morals

Naebany · 2025-06-03T08:02:06+00:00

Depends on what you mean by better people. They might not be better people overall. But they are most likely better at attracting females. More condifedent, more attractive.

So what if not everyone can get a gf? That just proves that you have to be better than others since not everyone will be able to do that.

Doesn't mean we should belittle them and make fun of them but there must be a correlation.

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xxTheMagicBulleT · 2025-06-03T11:58:28+00:00

We always seem to want to put people in groups.

Virgin is one extreme end people that date os the middle. And people that see sex as a hand shake is a other extreme.

Sure your life choices says a lot about a person. And the morals and standards what's important for a relationship.

BUT we talking about people. Be it virgins or in the middle or the extreme side. They are still people and there will be good or bad people in every bunch or every group.

But just cause if you find relationship and sex should mean a lot more. Then what a lot of people see or look at it now a days. Its a moral and spiritual standpoint you have a desire a need require of a person.

And sure both side have there own unfairness in it. But if you shame one side and praise the other its just weird.

There tons of people that if the morals and standards dont aline they dont want a relationship. And thats fine.

People are people. A group on its own is not good or bad.

Same way on its own extreme right or extreme left is not bad.

Extreme rights want to keep there culture how it is and wants the money to go to the people first and foremost.

Extreme left wants to work to make the whole world a beter place. But doing so make there own people suffer cause the nations people has to keep flipping the bill.

Both are very understandable at its core. Why in times of great economy boom and people have a lot of money left always rises. Right always rises when economy struggle and hard times are coming. Cause playing Santa and trying to save the world at the cost of your citizens will cause rapid decline in economic conditions for business and citizens.

Why much of the world and politics is just a back and forth of a pendulum. Repeating past mistakes and extremes again and again and again.

Just how stupid the movement of belive all women is. Cause there would never be a believe all men. Cause men are not foolish enough to say well fuck the proof just believe every men. Cause we all know it leads to rapid abuse of a flawed system.

And most extreme are born from unfair treatment and clear dubbele standards and malicious biases.

Just like most men hating women are just women that had no good father figure or male role models in there life's.

The same is for women hating men. They keep getting treated bad and collapse under it and lash out cause they did not have great females role models in there life that they could look up too.

Why again the only way you can get people to open up and wanting to understand you is show you willing to understand the other side. Cause you can get much more done with sugar then vinegar.

But thats the case with most debates. People demanding respect without ever giving it in return.

HalfwaydonewithEarth · 2025-06-03T14:03:28+00:00

I had a 38 year old virgin hot for me. He lived too far away and I didn't want to move there.

He was an exceptional date and would make an amazing husband.

I hope someone figured that out.

UnpredictableDemise8 · 2025-06-03T17:19:14+00:00

Yes, of course, such men are no better than virgins. But that doesn't matter in the context of dating. Men who are successful with women usually have some advantage that makes them attractive to the opposite sex. This could be money, looks, or charisma (or, of course, a combination of all of the above). That's why virgins are viewed as "inferior"; from the outside, they have nothing to offer women.

thesirenheta · 2025-06-05T00:57:13+00:00

I love virgins. They taste different.

John-Zero · 2025-06-06T10:25:54+00:00

Well this was a weird post that only got weirder as it went along

BackgroundTime8298 · 2025-06-10T05:19:56+00:00

And that’s what you did wrong you were listening to RedditOnWiki.

Those dudes will rarely ever give any grace to men compared when a woman is the asshole of the story. “If you can’t get it, the problem is cause of you bro”

GKilat · 2025-06-03T01:49:05+00:00

There is a difference between a voluntary virgin and that from nonvoluntary or incel. It's the mindset and the latter is failing despite their effort because they are doing something wrong which is why they are virgins. The former is usually lumped together with incels but the only thing they have in common is them being virgins. Most voluntary celibate or volcels are that way because they have other priorities or they are simply content with life.

Fun fact, Isaac Newton died a virgin because he is more interested in math and science and no time for women.

EulenWatcher · 2025-06-03T04:40:31+00:00

Dating or not dating doesn't make one a better or worse person on its own, sure.

Saying that most people struggling with dating have certain reasons for their struggles doesn't necessarily mean that you think they're bad people morally. People struggle for a reason - not just because a whole other gender randomly decided to ignore/mistreat them. It can be something outside of their control - neurodivergence, severe mental or physical health issues, very unfortunate appearance etc., or it can be something that they could possible control/improve - being overweight, having poor social skills etc. These issues do not make them bad people, but they do explain why they struggle with dating.

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-06-03T07:18:46+00:00

What determines how good of a person you are? If you don't define that, we can go around all day and say "x group is not worse than y group". Nobody suggests that being a virgin means you are a criminal or have bad morals. It's about your value on the mating market, which is how desirable you are to other people as a partner. I think that if nobody wants you as a partner, that is a pretty good proxy for you not being a good person. People on all levels of the looks spectrum have partners. That is not what keeps people single. Charisma? Not even on the list of important things for mating.

In fact, it is mathematically impossible for every man 18-29 years old to get a girlfriend his age, as there is a gender gap of almost 20% in singlehood.

You don't need to all have a girlfriend at the same time though. You also don't need to have a girlfriend right now to not be a virign.

Redditcritic6666 · 2025-06-03T07:30:34+00:00

Like what you said, but i disagree because if a person can't get a girlfriend... it says more about that person.. and what is said is that they lack looks and/or charisma... which is actually a big deal because looks/charisma isn't just used for dating but a huge part of one's life and successes including social circles, jobs, and other areas in life.

So I think you under-estimate how important looks/charisma are and in this date and age lacking these thing is literally a death sentence and detrimental to one's successes in life.

jayrock306 · 2025-06-03T01:22:28+00:00

On one hand I agree that being a virgin doesn't make you a bad person. There are lots of reasons for someone to not have a had a relationship into late in life.

On the other hand some people just don't wanna go through the motions of "training" someone. They want a man who knows his way around a relationship and how to handle the emotional responsibilities that come with a relationship. They want a guy that also knows his way around the bed room and that's really only something you can with practice. I don't think we should make fun of people that are virgins but also shouldn't fault people for not wanting to date them.

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2025-06-03T03:51:37+00:00

Being a male virgin doesn't make you a bad person but it does signal to women that you are undesirable. Whether that be due to your religious beliefs or ineptitude. The majority of women do not want a deeply religious man or a man with flaws so large it stops him from having sex

Tealllane · 2025-06-03T06:58:12+00:00

I listen to RoW myself. I don't ever recall them ever insulting "virgins. I know Sean didn't have sex until he married his wife.

I know the hosts do routinely mock incels and redpilled men however.

OldPyjama · 2025-06-03T08:35:25+00:00

Dating men are NOT better people than Virgins

What kind of idiot claims otherwise? It's just sex ffs. It's not the holy fucking grail.

MichaelsAltMan · 2025-06-03T15:09:34+00:00

It's "men should become better people if they want a date" one post and then complaining about the shitty people they've dated the next. No awareness.

Redhotangelxxx · 2025-06-04T01:33:41+00:00

Well duh. I haven’t actually met anyone on- or offline who claims virgin men are bad people because they can’t get sex?

attendquoi · 2025-06-03T13:07:26+00:00

The only people I see moralizing sex beyond issues of consent are virgins. Personally, sex is amoral. I wouldn't date a virgin at this point in my life, but it's not because I think they're bad people.

Inevitable-Net-191 · 2025-06-03T12:43:12+00:00

Well, a basement-dwelling woman hater is more likely to be single than other men...

Goonerlouie · 2025-06-03T02:58:12+00:00

No they’re not bad people but it gets to a point where I start asking questions of your personality

Title	Dating men are NOT better people than Virgins
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