Isn't that fucked? My gf has told me she has that fetish going (in her words she wants to "feel like she can't go anywhere") and every time she isn't in the mood when I initiate, the thought of just forcing her is in the back of my head, as if that's really what she wants. Really awkward situation to deal with mentally because I know that asking sort of ruins the whole thing
Thing is, this entire thing attributes the stereotypical statements of some women to the behavior of women who are in an entirely different scenario.
There's no evidence whatsoever that the women involved in this "experiment" have said, or would say, "Men showing sexual interest is disgusting unless they're attractive to me." While that's perceived as a generally pervasive female hypocrisy, that doesn't necessarily means it's true. This especially doesn't hold for the population of Tinder, who are - by definition of the app - looking for a sex!
Now, that's not to say that this demonstration is entirely without merit - it does show how that the old "Don't be unattractive" rule for dating still holds - but it's not so much an example of a pervasive double-standard against men.
Well, that's the basic assumption of the app, yes. While there are plenty of people who just use it for cheap validation, there's also the original intent.
Fuck that, it doesn't demonstrate shit. Aside from the fact that, like, eight chicks are willing to bang a crass model. Who's to say these chicks are the ones spewing feminist stuff anyway?
This sub is usually pretty good with articles on men's rights or examples of men's rights violations. This post not so much, feels circle jerky and giving me information that I already knew about women. Nothing inherently bad about women wanting to fuck a model. If I weren't married I would want to fuck a model, even if she said creepy overtly sexual stuff at me.
I could be over thinking things though, and I may have been married too long to really remember how difficult dating/hook ups were.
Meanwhile the majority of average guys will have a handful of relationships in their entire lives
That's really not anything solid to go by. There were concrete numbers named and I highly doubt they're anywhere near accurate.
I know some average looking guys, with no real life prospects, living with 3 other guys like that, smoking weed all day every day, be promiscuous as all hell. I don't know where you're from, but here, all you need is a good sense of humor and something interesting about you and you can get sex and meaningful relationships with relatively little effort. Just putting themselves out there is enough. In the society I live in, the sex starved are the lonely people. The ones who don't know many people, so don't get invited to outings like bars or concerts. If you're exposed to many women, there are plenty who will fancy you. You really don't even have to be all that fit.
I'm somehow very doubtful that you come from a society where women are entirely devoted to the most stellar cock there is on the planet and nothing else.
Or something women want. Weed is a great way to attract women, a lot of women like to smoke, a lot of women dont want to deal with the shady drug dealer.
That's the thing. Naming any kind of numbers, especially as extreme as that cannot be done without any precision until it is studied and no, okcupid analyzing their data doesn't count.
but it does seem to be at least partially true as an assumption
And how partial that truth is you simply can't know. It could be that 80% of guys get 80% of girls and the rest are the unsatisfied vocal minority. There's just as much reason to believe those numbers as the numbers you quote.
For example, OkCupid studies show that most women rate most men below average. Like 70%+ of men have "below average" looks to women.
Think of the ridiculousness of that concept.
Add to that the sexual revolution (this isn't a bad thing, just a factor that lead to the "90-10" statistic), and general shaming of men for decades and decades, and you have a society where the top % of men (looks and money) get many, many women, while a much, much, much greater % of men than historical numbers will get far fewer women.
This is biology at work. The only ethical problem is the fact that feminists deny the entire system and continue to shame men. Feminists are just objectively wrong; men are objectively worth less than women, because far fewer men are required to both:
father children, and
please women sexually.
That's just plain old math and biology at work, without even factoring in societal change.
Why can't you draw conclusions from it? Its one of the biggest dating sites in the world, so the data is probably significant enough. And if I could, I would bet everything I have, that the statistics for Tinder are even more clear.
Because neither the data nor conclusions are reliable. The methods of data collection are unknown and haven't gone through any peer review. The conclusions drawn from the data are not educated, scrutinized opinions. It's simply not scientific.
People have just been told another lie.
Who is telling this lie? Why was I never told?
Upcoming male birth control will wreck the sexual market even more.
I can't imagine how. Care to elaborate?
Left over males will continue to check out of society.
I do share similar fears. I can see loneliness becoming an epidemic, for more reasons than you listed and I don't know about harems and that, but the statistics I've seen show a steady increase in loneliness. It's very worrying.
I think the point of this post is the man is talking to these women like pieces of meat, and they'll take it because his hot.
The question is, are his advances okay or not?
Feminists would vilify him and label him as a sexual predator for his disgusting sexual objectification. If the guy was not hot 'women' in general probably would vilify him.
These women obviously have no problem with it. Now if only we could get the reaction of these same women with the exact same lines from an average looking guy, we may or may not see the hypocrisy.
I can't believe you're so heavily downvoted, this is absurd. I thought this was a sub for discussing men's rights but this post is something you'd find on r/incels. So what? You're not a 10/10, the fact that women will have sex with a hot guy and not you doesn't violate any of your rights at all. It just makes you feel bad about yourself, so you come here to moan about how shallow they are. If anything, you are implying that you deserve sex from women simply because you're a man.
Yes, often. There are even subs for it like r/pussypassdenied and some show up on cringe subs. It's just isn't as frequent because women seem to have more restraint than men do when it comes to sexual advances. It doesn't impede your rights as a man, you're just bitter and you're disguising your sexual frustration as a violation of your rights as a man.
Those messages aren't trying to date. They are deliberately overtly sexual for a reason. Being an arrogant pervert only works if you're hot AF. Not a fucking weeaboo. Find girls on your level, and don't send them the messages you have read in this post.
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Isn't that fucked? My gf has told me she has that fetish going (in her words she wants to "feel like she can't go anywhere") and every time she isn't in the mood when I initiate, the thought of just forcing her is in the back of my head, as if that's really what she wants. Really awkward situation to deal with mentally because I know that asking sort of ruins the whole thing
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Thing is, this entire thing attributes the stereotypical statements of some women to the behavior of women who are in an entirely different scenario.
There's no evidence whatsoever that the women involved in this "experiment" have said, or would say, "Men showing sexual interest is disgusting unless they're attractive to me." While that's perceived as a generally pervasive female hypocrisy, that doesn't necessarily means it's true. This especially doesn't hold for the population of Tinder, who are - by definition of the app - looking for a sex!
Now, that's not to say that this demonstration is entirely without merit - it does show how that the old "Don't be unattractive" rule for dating still holds - but it's not so much an example of a pervasive double-standard against men.
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Well, that's the basic assumption of the app, yes. While there are plenty of people who just use it for cheap validation, there's also the original intent.
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Go on Tinder and be a regular guy and try this. You'll find that it doesn't work and that they'll chastise you for saying the same stuff.
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Fuck that, it doesn't demonstrate shit. Aside from the fact that, like, eight chicks are willing to bang a crass model. Who's to say these chicks are the ones spewing feminist stuff anyway?
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It's also a "selected" group of replies, so confirmation bias with come in to play. I don't think this illustrates anything much at all as you imply.
At best it's anecdotal and we can say that some women when approached on Tindr by a beautiful man were very open to the idea of recreational sex.
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This sub is usually pretty good with articles on men's rights or examples of men's rights violations. This post not so much, feels circle jerky and giving me information that I already knew about women. Nothing inherently bad about women wanting to fuck a model. If I weren't married I would want to fuck a model, even if she said creepy overtly sexual stuff at me.
I could be over thinking things though, and I may have been married too long to really remember how difficult dating/hook ups were.
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This is my first time seeing this.
Is there actual substance behind that or is it hyperbole for some effect beyond my comprehension?
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You've seen it where exactly? I'd really like a source for that claim, because right now that sounds like utter shite to me.
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That's really not anything solid to go by. There were concrete numbers named and I highly doubt they're anywhere near accurate.
I know some average looking guys, with no real life prospects, living with 3 other guys like that, smoking weed all day every day, be promiscuous as all hell. I don't know where you're from, but here, all you need is a good sense of humor and something interesting about you and you can get sex and meaningful relationships with relatively little effort. Just putting themselves out there is enough. In the society I live in, the sex starved are the lonely people. The ones who don't know many people, so don't get invited to outings like bars or concerts. If you're exposed to many women, there are plenty who will fancy you. You really don't even have to be all that fit.
I'm somehow very doubtful that you come from a society where women are entirely devoted to the most stellar cock there is on the planet and nothing else.
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Or something women want. Weed is a great way to attract women, a lot of women like to smoke, a lot of women dont want to deal with the shady drug dealer.
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Oh no worries. I hope I didn't come off as combative. If I did, my apologies.
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That's the thing. Naming any kind of numbers, especially as extreme as that cannot be done without any precision until it is studied and no, okcupid analyzing their data doesn't count.
And how partial that truth is you simply can't know. It could be that 80% of guys get 80% of girls and the rest are the unsatisfied vocal minority. There's just as much reason to believe those numbers as the numbers you quote.
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For example, OkCupid studies show that most women rate most men below average. Like 70%+ of men have "below average" looks to women.
Think of the ridiculousness of that concept.
Add to that the sexual revolution (this isn't a bad thing, just a factor that lead to the "90-10" statistic), and general shaming of men for decades and decades, and you have a society where the top % of men (looks and money) get many, many women, while a much, much, much greater % of men than historical numbers will get far fewer women.
This is biology at work. The only ethical problem is the fact that feminists deny the entire system and continue to shame men. Feminists are just objectively wrong; men are objectively worth less than women, because far fewer men are required to both:
That's just plain old math and biology at work, without even factoring in societal change.
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I don't meant to be rude, but it's absolutely silly to come to any concrete conclusions from this.
You can't call this reliable in any way. Sure, it's interesting, but it's mired in speculation.
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Because neither the data nor conclusions are reliable. The methods of data collection are unknown and haven't gone through any peer review. The conclusions drawn from the data are not educated, scrutinized opinions. It's simply not scientific.
Who is telling this lie? Why was I never told?
I can't imagine how. Care to elaborate?
I do share similar fears. I can see loneliness becoming an epidemic, for more reasons than you listed and I don't know about harems and that, but the statistics I've seen show a steady increase in loneliness. It's very worrying.
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I think the point of this post is the man is talking to these women like pieces of meat, and they'll take it because his hot.
The question is, are his advances okay or not?
Feminists would vilify him and label him as a sexual predator for his disgusting sexual objectification. If the guy was not hot 'women' in general probably would vilify him.
These women obviously have no problem with it. Now if only we could get the reaction of these same women with the exact same lines from an average looking guy, we may or may not see the hypocrisy.
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And that's why. Women who like your profile want hot sex with an underwear model; not a relationship with a nice guy.
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Fat girls are slutty and will never appreciate how nice of a dating site anything.
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SJWs publicly shame tinder men daily on my facebook
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I can't believe you're so heavily downvoted, this is absurd. I thought this was a sub for discussing men's rights but this post is something you'd find on r/incels. So what? You're not a 10/10, the fact that women will have sex with a hot guy and not you doesn't violate any of your rights at all. It just makes you feel bad about yourself, so you come here to moan about how shallow they are. If anything, you are implying that you deserve sex from women simply because you're a man.
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You completely missed the point. The double standard is that men are shamed publicly for exactly the same thing that guy did.
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Yes because the don't want sexual advances from people they aren't sexually attracted to. How can you have such difficulty understanding that?
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Do you or any men you know publicly shame women they aren't attracted to?
Do you know what the term "double standard" means?
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Yes, often. There are even subs for it like r/pussypassdenied and some show up on cringe subs. It's just isn't as frequent because women seem to have more restraint than men do when it comes to sexual advances. It doesn't impede your rights as a man, you're just bitter and you're disguising your sexual frustration as a violation of your rights as a man.
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Those messages aren't trying to date. They are deliberately overtly sexual for a reason. Being an arrogant pervert only works if you're hot AF. Not a fucking weeaboo. Find girls on your level, and don't send them the messages you have read in this post.
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