Equality feels like oppression?

Vivid_Lab_8985 · 2022-07-14T10:50:26+00:00

They want you to be a traditional man but accept them as non-traditional modern women. They don't want equality, they want the entire cake.

Input_output_error · 2022-07-14T06:00:37+00:00

Like everything else in Feminism, it is 100% projection.

EricAllonde · 2022-07-14T10:13:06+00:00

A popular quote often spoken is "when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression"

What do you think about it?

That's very accurate.

Today, women are privileged over men. Women have more legal rights than men, they benefit from affirmative action, quotas, institutional discrimination and simple bias in their favor in things like hiring decisions, landlords renting properties, police deciding who to arrest & prosecute, etc.

Feminists know they are lying and that women are privileged. The entire purpose of feminism is to entrench and extend women's privileges, benefits and special treatment. So they react violently to anything that threatens that outcome. Such as people speaking the truth and citing facts.

g1455ofwater · 2022-07-14T06:41:42+00:00

Feminists don't like acknowledging that women are truly the more privileged gender in modern society.

gil-galad5150 · 2022-07-14T10:29:45+00:00

Whoa we are waaay past equality . The worst excesses of sixties and seventies male chauvinism seem tame by comparison to third wave femism. " It is an army, bred to destroy the world of men "

International_Risk82 · 2022-07-14T08:07:38+00:00

Is your ego threatened by feminism

It's not about ego, it's about my basic dignity as a human being. Feminists can deny it all they want but feminism in itself as a movement bases its ideological beliefs in the notion that men were fundamentally oppressing women throughout history, and that men historically were a "privileged" class. This makes it clear to see that the driving narrative of feminism is not justice or equality, rather it's victim mentality and the desire for revenge and superiority. This would explain why despite claiming equality, in over a 100 years since its creation, feminism has done NOTHING good for men and has actually severely harmed them in some fields.

Following up on my previous point, this is why whenever you try to implement true equality where the burdens are placed equally on both genders, you hear the feminists screech to no end and keep whining about the "protection of men" and "where have all the good men gone". They claim that men feel threatened by equality while you'll see them absolutely shitting their pants and resorting to all manners of manipulation from acting like damsels in distress to outright rage and abuse anytime actual equality is discussed as evidenced by this 👇

"when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression"

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PigTenis · 2022-07-14T06:07:23+00:00

Thats a quote that alllows you to disregard and discredit opposing position without arguments.

Genius in fact, wonder who created such disgusting eristics. Obviously not the copypasters you encounter.

fools_gambler · 2022-07-14T06:45:20+00:00

I never felt threatened by anyone fighting for equality of opportunity. But the second that someone starts advocating for equality of outcome, shit is about to go bad real fast, as that is the root of almost every oppressive social trend we have right now.

SecondEldenLord · 2022-07-14T07:27:32+00:00

Isn't that how feminists feel though? I mean women are clearly the most priviliged group of individuals on the face of the planet ( in the west ) and yet if they happen to have the same opportunities or rights as men, they feel opressed. Paying your fair of the date? OPPRESSION! Paying consequences for your bad choices and actions? OPPRESSION! Not getting what you want from a man? OPPRESSION!

Modern women love feeling like a victim because it always got them so many priviliges,

Aran82 · 2022-07-14T07:28:59+00:00

What is threatening is the normal grind, drive, study and endeavour to succeed is replaced with quotas, tokenism and women really just being gifted power positions based on gender.

If women succeeded in the same terms it would be perfectly ok but when they change the rules so that it benefits only them it is at the expense of everyone. People who are gifted power end up abusing it and I have encountered a lot of women given token power positions who end up bullying other women. In addition power and social status don’t benefit women the way it does men because they only want to date / marry up so they end up alone and no children ie more population collapse, civilization ceases.

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-07-14T07:42:51+00:00

That line applies to feminists.

AgincourtSalute · 2022-07-14T06:00:28+00:00

Off topic: Fuck. I was just banned from offmychest subreddit for making this post here.

Oncefa2 · 2022-07-14T15:19:55+00:00

The quote comes from an MRA on usenet during the 1990s.

It's actually men who first said this about women, not the other way around.

Another popular quote was "equality is a bitch".

There's some history there but the TLDR is that women started complaining about things that men have always had to deal with (like working a double shift), and men largely responded with "that's not oppression, that's equality".

Kind of to point out that men don't always have things great the way women assume.

TheSnesLord · 2022-07-14T13:41:59+00:00

Equality feels like oppression?

Applicable to the women complaining and protesting against the overturning of Roe vs Wade.

Also applicable to the women complaining about the recent Gender Quota law (benefits women, discriminates against men) in California being struck down and declared as unconstitutional by the Courts.

When you are privileged, equality feels like oppression.

DouglasWallace · 2022-07-14T11:21:05+00:00

The men and women who oppose feminism are not doing so because they fear women being liberated. They oppose feminism because it is a socio-political movement with a hidden agenda which is intent on destroy society as we know it.

MarsRisen · 2022-07-15T01:51:15+00:00

Nope, many men hate Feminism cause it’s toxic. And because those who follow it are Misandrist and never held accountable. Besides the proper title for someone who believes in equality for all, is an egalitarian. For decades now, men have supported strong women. We grew up watching Zena the Warrior Princess and WWE lol. The majority of supporters for MMA are men. Overwhelmingly vote for legal protections for women. Many men aren’t threatened, they’re just tired of being treated as sub human.

Eastwood96 · 2022-07-14T06:40:25+00:00

No, what feels oppressive is MISANDRY, for which many sexists use "Feminism" as a smokescreen, in attempt to pass off their blatant discrimination as empowerment. True "Feminism" is (or at least SHOULD be) about equality--not unfair treatment and/or eradication of one gender in order to satify hatred from the other.

Empress_Clementine · 2022-07-14T15:39:53+00:00

As a woman I have no idea why men would be threatened that women are “being liberated”. From what?? As a woman pushing 50, I have been liberated my entire life. Nothing has been denied me if I actually wanted to go after it and work for it. Hell, I have the “liberation” and the tons of advantages that come with still being considered a protected member of society. Women in the western world today are probably the most privileged humans to ever walk the earth.

regularcomments · 2022-07-14T17:55:05+00:00

Let's see:

- We live in a world where mothers/fathers raised little boys to "not hit a girl", but the other way around is almost unheard of. That explains why in many young couples, according to statistics, boys are more likely to suffer from physical abuse than in more older couples.

-We live in a world where despite there being fewer male-exclusively organizations, there are A LOT of female-exclusively organizations. And in fact, former male organizations are allowing women to enter their institutions, but the reverse is inexistent.

Examples: boy scouts, literary or any other artistic prizes, universitie/colleges, etc.

-We live in a world where women's gender issues are taken seriously, even though they aren't actually real (Wage gap, rape culture, matilda effect, etc).On the other hand, male
gender issues are unspoken or treated as general issues (majority of homeless people, suicide, school failure, etc). And if movements like feminism speak of these, they only do when it's convenient for their personal interests.

-We live in a world where if a woman does something bad, is seen as an isolated case and we all know that "not all women are like that". If a man does something bad, this immediately means the demonization of an entire collective by social and traditional media. (for example, the use of words like: "kill all men", "toxic masculinity", mansplaining, etc).

Yeah, it sounds like a very equal world for me (sarcasm).

Ferbuggity · 2022-07-14T11:14:19+00:00

To me it seems like painting an in-group or out-group picture where they decide anyone who disagrees with them must have lower morals or character flaws. Common with religious groups, especially fundamentalist type.

As a liberated woman, I feel threatened by feminism becoming some kind of ideological cult, because the thing it's oppressing and using for fuel to rise to power is .. well, everyone.

ChadWolf98 · 2022-07-14T13:25:36+00:00

I dont feel opressed at all for women having equal legal rights. In fact I am happy with it. What I have problem with is the current attempt of forces social equality/sameness to men which ignores biology, psychology, sociology, and wants all the perceived benefits of being a man with none of the responsibilities.

Many of these attempts also harms men, their wallet, their social standing etc

Pinl101 · 2022-07-14T15:27:28+00:00

I think it’s something that people automatically get up and arms about when talking about Feminism or MensRights.

It’s important to distinguish when people criticize viewpoints, and when it’s not meant as a personal attack.

Smooth_Influenze · 2022-07-14T18:17:06+00:00

"when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression"

yes thats why feminists starts howling and crying misogyny when we ask for gender neutral laws. I agree with that qoute.

Feminists often say that men don't like feminism because it threatens them that women are being liberated.

Its their agenda to make men the villains. Any sane person would be a first wave feminsit. MRA are first wave feminists, they want gender equality through gender neutral laws.Its the modern day feminists who is not liberating anything and is spreading hate.

Is your ego threatened by feminism?

Not really, I just dont care about women's rights anymore simply because of the modern feminists. If they want to be a group of self-righteous women, let them be. I have my own problems to look at.

they decide anyone who disagrees with them must have lower morals or character flaws. Common with religious groups, especially fundamentalist type.

I will predict their response if one of them read this.... Misogyny !!!

And yes I agree, its a communist style of group thinking. The group identity becomes the individual's identity and an anyone who deviates slightly from the group's thinking, is kicked out.

There are so many feminists, who also saw men's problems, who got labeled as anti-feminist, simply because they dared to say that men has problems too. And thats how and why MRA will get stronger over time, pave the way and it will happen.

Emet22 · 2022-07-14T18:30:41+00:00

"When you are privileged, equality feels like oppression"

Yeah, when you do it the feminists way. Their solution to inequality (which is not inherently a bad thing, it's neutral) is to tear down men, rather than bring women up. Actually, they tear both sexes down in the long run.

Rabano11 · 2022-07-14T19:06:57+00:00

The most annoying thing is that it implies that there is one man and woman who have lived for thousands of years so the man who lived through the 30s,40s and 50s is now threatened by this new outlook on society. It’s just that it doesn’t work like that.. All ai’ve ever known is misandry in media being normalized, men being made fun of for being a virgin,being short or having a tiny dick while women can claim they feel oppressed for just about anything. I’d change the quote to: when you yell oppression about any perceived inconvenience or injustice and are so stuck in your oppressor/oppressed dynamic you cannot muster up any empathy for the other gender or can even begin to see men as human beings.

OTR_7 · 2022-07-14T19:58:10+00:00

I've said this before and I will reiterate. Feminists do not want equality mate, they want preferential treatment.

SnooJokes1401 · 2022-07-14T21:08:22+00:00

"When you are privileged, equality feels like oppression"

Literally explaining why people don't like them.

MusicalMerlin1973 · 2022-07-14T21:45:39+00:00

Classical Feminism: I'm all for it. Equal pay for equal work, etc. But this current toxic environment? Hard pass. If they want to be that way, good for them. But don't expect me to stick around and participate. I got better things to do than be stressed out by their B.S.

novdelta307 · 2022-07-14T23:39:58+00:00

If they wanted equality that would be fine. Most of them actually want superiority.

Imaginary-Luck-8671 · 2022-07-14T23:53:29+00:00

"Equality feels like oppression" is projection from feminists

It's women who consider being treated as a man to be discrimination and misogyny, men who are treated with the privileges of women don't generally complain about it.

Intelligent-Ideal153 · 2022-07-15T00:08:32+00:00

Equal opportunity is what they have, with all opportunities come consequences and they only want the reward. And to be clear when I use the ambiguous "THEY" I am referring to Feminist 2.0. The 1.0 got everything they asked for, the 2.0 wants power over everyone, not a level footing.

AffectionatePapaya13 · 2022-07-15T02:00:45+00:00

Lol feminist will never get the man they want.

The_Holier_Muffin · 2022-07-14T09:44:21+00:00

I’m not at all threatened by the concept of feminism. Women deserve equal rights to us, but that quote is very on point. I feel as if feminists sometimes pursue “equality” (in actuality or not) by oppressing men

RecoveringCoomer · 2022-07-14T13:45:35+00:00

I think it is the opposite and it is women who are privileged. Feminists are projecting their own privilege to men.

DnDad · 2022-07-14T14:08:40+00:00

Funny. Women now have equal reproductive rights to men (still a little more actually), but they feel very oppressed by it. Probably not the best time to make that argument.

ruMenDugKenningthreW · 2022-07-14T09:00:57+00:00

It's the very definition of schadenfreude. The very concept of "male" is collapsed into a single imaginary falsehood based on whitewashing concepts like "male privilege," so when any man is "taken down a notch," irrespective of the personage of the individual or other factors that intersectionality is supposed to consider, it's sadistically and vindictively celebrated. And it's done so in the same way that some people celebrate executions based purely on "because criminal" in boldfaced denial of innocents murdered in that process or acceptance of it as "collateral damage." Looking at attitudes about male suicides is a great example of this.

These people aren't capable of understanding real justice and progress is a chorus, not a spotlight solo.

AgincourtSalute · 2022-07-14T09:25:03+00:00

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IVIaskerade · 2022-07-14T10:51:23+00:00

"Equality feels like oppression" is a lie told by someone trying to oppress you using your own values as a disguise. By pretending they believe the same things you do, they think they can convince you to accept their proposals, and if you complain they'll retreat to the Motte of "b-b-but I just want equality 😥🥺" until you leave them alone, whereupon they'll happily return to whatever they were doing before that got them unwelcome attention.

Josh48111 · 2022-07-14T09:18:41+00:00

I’m not threatened by feminism. I think it is a very good thing. Some feminists… especially on Reddit… are just f’ing terrible and irritating. They need to get lives.

skllyskullstyle · 2022-07-14T06:54:34+00:00

Yes! Thank you for saying this! Ive always eanted to say this. Its projections. Women have more privlages (special treatment). Men have been indoctrinated to not stand up to those women in most aspects. Now since men are starting to be chivalrous for the wrong reasons, they are now thinking it's opression.

excess_inquisitivity · 2022-07-14T09:34:59+00:00

A popular quote often spoken is "when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression"

I may be wrong here but I think the quote is from a cartoon, used by a man against a woman who was attempting to assert equality and require male acquiescence at the same time.

My_name_sucks64564 · 2022-07-14T14:49:40+00:00

Man are oppressed at their birth Talk about circumcision ,education ,

expected to do certain things and throw your own desires under the rug

Can’t express yourself

Dedicate your life for a women who may just use you as a bank and extract money from you

And if you want to divorce her she would take half of your money and children

And don’t glovebox get me started about false allegations 💀

Darthwxman · 2022-07-14T20:41:47+00:00

"equality feels like oppression"

It's funny that they say this but if they are faced with the threat of equality they start screaming they are being oppressed. Example: all the women who think they are living in the "Handmaids Tale" because in some states they have about the same rights to kill unborn children that men everywhere have (AKA no right kill).

Reasonable_cancelCA · 2022-07-14T20:44:24+00:00

Oppression is oppression I really don't understand the reasoning, that by them making that statement manifesto style is somehow justifying their hatred for men.

Sometimes I get treated like sht randomly by ugly women who just seem to hate all men? Like I didn't do anything to you lol damn

rm-rd · 2022-07-14T23:36:57+00:00

Origin - https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/10/24/privilege/

In 1997 a message posted by Mike Jebbett to the Usenet discussion newsgroup bc.general contained a statement that partially matched the adage. In the following excerpt “women” were viewed as “living on the high side”, i.e., living in a privileged manner.

Women like her are suffering from a condition I call “Advanced Pedestalism”. Which basically means that they [women] have been living on the high side for so long, equality looks like oppression.

MRA_TitleIX · 2022-07-14T15:49:49+00:00

Being told not to attend a job fair, or that i can't attend a class / team etc at the school because of my sex feels a lot like oppression when men are a minority at schools across the nation.

I'd go harder and explain some more extreme bullshit I've seen but since there is litigation pending my attorney would likely not approve.

IncubusREX · 2022-07-14T15:58:05+00:00

An actual feminist would appreciate Men's Rights, so that statement is fundamentally flawed

shifurc · 2022-07-15T02:53:46+00:00

But the thing is they aren't being liberated. They already were. What is happening now is the destruction of women and subjugation to base sexual urge under the guise of masculinizing. All population control of course.

Liberation would be them realizing the polar relationship and Divine Feminine and its difference with masculinity. It would mean respect of the polar.

Rage isnt freedom. Any man could explain this. Your pithy tiny arms enraged means fuck all and in the end you become a slave to anger. The male Warrior Journey is all about men trying to conquer that burden and the beast within us. To obtain that beast is not liberation it is a burthen.

Women as deluded by these lies just as people buy into many cults. The imagination of freedom without consequence and the transferance of responsibility and limitation onto the Other is itself a con and shackles. Feminists are more enslaved not less. For in swrving only themselves no man will serve them back. And one who did is not a man inside himself.

My wife read books and came to believe marriage was slavery. Except I did most of the cleaning. Now she has the kids half the time and does all the cleaning for her house. What a fool. Proverbs 14:1 indeed

MrElderwood · 2022-07-15T03:13:23+00:00

No, my ego isn't threatened. However the lack of a male centric national health strategy like women already have in the UK, including Prostate Cancer screening which is a huge killer of men, might threaten my life one of these days!

Also on the subject of one-sided 'equality', I would point you to a striking post made here a month or so ago on Men & Boys and DV in the UK. I actually watched the 'debate' in question and can assure you, it's completely real!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/v94pak/british\_mp\_to\_parliament\_a\_third\_of\_domestic/

Minimum-Click3866 · 2022-07-15T03:32:26+00:00

7 year relationship with a partner who embraces her femininity. We have man chores and woman chores and it works very well. I love looking after her more financially and she loves looking after the family more domestically. People should try it! 👍

cuddaloreappu · 2022-07-15T03:53:20+00:00

Equality must be also be established in the ukrainian battle fields, but sadly men line up to die, while women are busy setting up their tinder profiles for Russian soldiers.

Zoitle · 2022-07-15T04:19:47+00:00

Feminism has honestly ruined the quality of women

The_Demon_G_84 · 2022-07-16T08:53:13+00:00

Maybe this video will clear it up for you. https://youtu.be/VNNjtZN6ywE

BrockVelocity · 2022-07-14T19:40:16+00:00

I think the men whose egos are threatened by feminism are not going to admit, or perhaps even realize, that their egos are threatened by feminism. But yes, I do think that a lot of men's egos are threatened by feminism.

hearyoume14 · 2022-07-14T08:50:50+00:00

Do you want the feminist/ SJW me’s answer or current me answer?

The short answer is:Power + privilege nonsense and the oppression stack.Also projection.

GhOsTinBOUND · 2022-07-14T13:41:41+00:00

I think it's bs. But woman are oppressed too. Everyone is. Mens rights isn't and shouldn't be us vs them. It should be "US TOO!"

ThisFreedomGuy · 2022-07-14T15:53:26+00:00

One issue is that "feminism" has changed. 50-100 years ago, it was about equality before the law. Many men worked hard to move both the law and the culture to make that a reality.

Today, it seems to me (and many others) that "feminism" is more about punishing men for the mistakes of the past. It's more about making women superior before the law and in society. For a cultural example: look how hard Luke Skywalker had to work to achieve his power in the original Star Wars trilogy. From 1977 through to 1980, three movies. Compare that to Rey in 2017's The Last Jedi. Life was tough then BAM, she's instantly the most powerful Jedi in existence. In the law: look at family courts, the entire Human Resources movement in business, etc. There's no equality in either case, it's all misandry.

Then there's the concept that there is no definition of "man" or "woman" as we've seen in Congressional investigations. If you say that a man can't get pregnant, your are committing violence against thousands of people you've never met. That's an off-shoot of feminism.

In short - no man has a problem with equality in law, and as much equality as possible in society...but when a movement is based on punishing or attacking a group, that group does not have to like it. The way things were might have been wrong, but two wrongs have never made anything right.

thisherepoo · 2022-07-14T22:39:26+00:00

Feminists these days never want equality. They want special treatment and ovarian supremacy in society. We are smart enough not to give it to them.

DietDoritos · 2022-07-15T02:17:03+00:00

The way I look at it, modern feminism is hell-bent on making men subservient to women. I'm not physically scared of 99% of biological women but I do recognize the power every single one of them holds in the legal system over me (a white-passing, hetero male), and it makes me more worried than scared.

Previous iterations of feminism (Talking pre-1980s) were the right ones to go with, they had a cause that wasn't about forcing men to do anything, it was about legitimate societal issues.

Ivan_Andreyev · 2022-07-15T03:24:25+00:00

Feminism is great, you know, women voting, women being in power, women being at the forefront of all these fields, like stem, and politics, and everything else. What is not okay is being anti-men. Just because you want succeed doesn't mean that other people should fail too. Especially when you need those other people. I don't feel my ego threatened by feminism, I'm alright with it, a woman can do great things, we all know, but when you use the power of this movement to do unacceptable shite, like being prejudiced against men, and such things, I mean, it's honestly just bleh. Quite literally. It's disappointing. Do you really wanna waste your time arguing and doing misandrist things, instead of actually working on something to be, I don't know, a leader, a businesswoman, whatever you wanna be really. I like feminism, I just don't like misandry. Similar to how many women want men to have rights, but don't like misogyny.

JohnIsUncomfortable · 2022-07-15T03:52:11+00:00

This is literally the definition of “To privileged, equality feels like oppression”. It’s scary how this entire thread is so self-unaware.

Krouser1522 · 2022-07-14T15:51:41+00:00

It’s just ridiculous talking points..we are not oppressed by “true” feminism which seeks to achieve equality between the sexes and feminists want to advocate for men’s rights and men’s issues as well. It’s the ridiculous radical feminists like on r/fourthwavewomen that say all men are trash, all men are predators, rapists and kill all men. This is the toxic feminism we hate where all men are guilty of whatever they accuse of us and we are not allowed to defend ourselves and whatever we say is misogynistic or incel ideology..that shit drives me insane!

ImpressiveTaro5598 · 2022-07-14T13:07:42+00:00

Equality is unnatural. Equality doesn’t exist in nature.

gamerlololdude · 2022-07-14T22:16:42+00:00

This is targeted at the people who oppose liberation of women. Like people claiming breasts need to continue to be sexualized, intercourse is superior to other sexual acts, everyone must procreate (which puts the burden on women to go through pregnancy and childbirth), against having the country provide menstrual products in all bathrooms like toilet paper, prevent women from accessing abortion and birth control and sterilization.

generally anything sexist with women getting the short end of the stick masked by “that’s just the way it is”

Morrighan1129 · 2022-07-15T05:06:21+00:00

No the problem is that feminists are fighting wars of sixty+ years ago. They admit they don't want equality, they want extras, because 'well, a hundred years ago men did x!'

Like... okay, shame on the guys a hundred years ago, but that has no bearing on today. They're fighting the battles of the past and trying to punish men who have zero influence on what happened decades ago.

The problem with that mindset is it just creates perpetual victim cycles; decades from now men will claim victim status and go on a crusade against women, and then a hundred years from now women will go back after men... you can't fix the past; all they're doing is keeping the cycle going.

Sophist_Polemicist · 2022-07-14T06:45:17+00:00

What specifically about equality is making you feel oppressed?

h8xwyf · 2022-07-14T13:27:52+00:00

"when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression"

That line gets used a lot in conjunction with racial issues as well. It's so fucking r-worded... 🤦

MadBlackGreek · 2022-07-14T14:40:00+00:00

The saying does hold some weight, in a lot of cases. I'm pretty sure it was 100% true back when feminism was new & necessary. Nowadays, it's just a form of gaslighting.

MaxTheCatigator · 2022-07-14T15:13:42+00:00

"..privileged ... oppression ..."

How on earth could they know your motives? Can they read minds? That's pure projecting, they're talking about themselves with this.

That said, the feminists themselves say that "privilege is invisible to those who have it", obviously that applies to themselves, too.

pappo4ever · 2022-07-14T15:52:15+00:00

Feminism are privileged white middle/high class women, using the (real) oppression of poor rural women to gain even more privilege.

ZekalMacabre · 2022-07-14T15:52:51+00:00

It's not ego that's being threatened. My very rights and existence are. Feminism is cancer. Always has been, always will be.

AspiringGuitarist07 · 2022-07-14T16:04:47+00:00

Feminism has been warped by what it’s supposed to be.

Now when you think feminism, you think women gets every right a man has but a man gets less rights.

What feminism is supposed to be is everyone gets equal rights.

syro23 · 2022-07-14T16:16:26+00:00

Equality does feel like oppression just start asking feminists how they feel about having to also have equal responsibilities of what men have.

TruthTriggersMods · 2022-07-14T17:03:59+00:00

My Rights and Personhood are threatened by feminism. They fail to understand what they are doing, or what the consequences will be.

2022-07-14T17:06:37+00:00

Women do not want equality. They want what men earn while still maintaining their status as the fairer sex.

How do I think that? Chivalry is still expected.

Chivalry comes from an era where women couldn't be there own person. They can now. Enjoy your freedom.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSimpsons/comments/g1rnn/freedom_horrible_horrible_freedom/

edit: Women are full-fledged citizens now. Enjoy all the perks that come with making your own way in the world. Shame to watch people still resorting to exploiting their gender because it offers a higher rate of pay than normal jobs and there is no barrier of entry but hey, $20 is $20

Can I also talk about "dating up"? I like seeing successful people but I'd be uncomfortable if they were paying for me too often.

TAPriceCTR · 2022-07-14T17:23:26+00:00

I think they're right, too the privileged, equality feels like oppression... which is why they always feel oppressed. So to counter this one must take their feelings out of it and compare on gender neutral metrics.

Why has the right to genital integrity? Who has the right to choose NOT to become Parent? Who has the right to vote without signing up for the draft? Who has default custody in divorce? Who has an easier time getting a conviction of the other? Who, when convicted, receives a lesser punishment?

If you want to measure the differences between the sexes, you have to use measurements that don't recalibrate between the sexes.

Anih1list · 2022-07-14T18:10:42+00:00

Its literally a non-falsifiable claim. We haven’t achieved equality so how would we know? More importantly, this is not a substantive argument. You can simply ask them “do you feel oppressed right now?” and one way or another their argument will unravel.

Freddy_Fazbear1596 · 2022-07-14T20:27:47+00:00

Modern feminism is basically opression

They don't want true equality,there is no equality even toda,many feminists just want more privelleges

mattmilli0pics · 2022-07-14T21:15:10+00:00

That quote is bs imo it goes with white privileged.

Punder_man · 2022-07-14T21:31:27+00:00

Here's the rub.. in the statement "When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

Whom is the one that decides who is 'privileged'
I'll give you a hint.. its the feminist.

They are ASSUMING that because of factors beyond your control (Race, Gender and ASSUMED Sexual Orientation) that you are 'privileged' and thus any rebuttal on your part is because you don't want to give up your privilege in the name of equality.

I've met many feminists offline who take one look at me and see that I am White and Male and jump to the assumed conclusion that I must also be 'Straight' when I don't identify as straight and in fact I am still struggling to understand my own sexual identity / position

But that doesn't matter to them.. all of these assumptions lead them to the conclusion that I am of the UBER PRIVILEGED and thus anything I have to say is meaningless to them.
It does not matter at all what my early childhood was like, it does not matter that I had the 'PRIVILEGE' of being abused by multiple women throughout my early childhood..

Nope, that's all negated by biological factors outside of my control which impart upon me special privileges (Even if I have never actually benefited from these 'privileges' at all)

But its always rich to hear a Feminist say this considering how staunchly they defend the 'privilege' of the genital integrity for women (Female Circumcision is called Female Genital Mutilation and is outlawed) where as Male Circumcision is considered 'normal' and can not be called 'Male Genital Mutilation' because... reasons?

If Feminism and Feminists cared for equality then they would understand that equality is a two way street, requiring both give and take.. but at the moment all feminism focuses on is Giving rights / privileges to women while Taking rights / privileges away from men.

Anyway.. Thanks for coming to my TedX talk.

50pciggy · 2022-07-14T22:23:13+00:00

I don’t like feminism personally because i feel it’s either thinly veiled misogyny or it’s just straight up misandry in others.

The basic issue I’ve seen is that basically the feminists want us men to do our part for equality which we’ve done quite handily even if work still needs to be done on smaller minorities of dudes but then completely neglect their duties to gender equality too.

Essentially they want to have their cake, eat it and then punch us in the face while they’re doing it while saying “how dare you eat our cake!”

That’s why equality feels like oppression because It’s not equality they’re not adding stuff to get everybody to equal level they’re removing stuff from one side and adding it to the other.

My ego isn’t threatened, my rights are slowly being threatened,

Aspie96 · 2022-07-14T22:26:19+00:00

Personally I wish gender didn't affect the way people get treated in the slightest, I'm all for equality.

That's why I'm not a feminist.

LiamJ2304 · 2022-07-15T00:50:46+00:00

Depends what you believe:

If you believe women belong in the kitchen their fight for equality could feel like a threat to your view. That phrase could apply.
If you believe men and women should have equal opportunities the feminist fight for women to be promoted/hired on the sole basis of their gender could feel like injustice and discrimination. I don’t think the phrase could apply to this.

Personally I think eventually everyone will see sense but it will take people to be brave and stand up for logic and reason in the face of some of the more ridiculous arguments. We should all strive to be that person brave enough even if it costs us.

raffu280 · 2022-07-15T05:26:08+00:00

Mindless and arbitrary "equity" is just another form of theft disguised as such.

dtyler86 · 2022-07-15T05:39:57+00:00

I’ve spent most of my 36 years of life watching women take my dad to the cleaners for alimony, poison my relationship with my daughter while collecting a check from me, women around me never striving for the financial success I have, this me footing bills In most relationships, and all the while being reminded that my life is east and kushy because I’m a white male. No. Not it isn’t. Society is pushing us into obsolescence and telling us we’re lucky for the privileges our forefathers had that we’ve never even seen.

We’re not losing rights to equality, we’re being made to look like sexist, racist “proud boys” simply just hoping to graduate, earn a wage and provide. All without the ability to fire up an only fans and file sexual harassment charges or be innocent until guilty in a rape allegation.

So, where is the equality that is somehow not also simultaneously oppressing us?

Ok_Cauliflower6211 · 2022-07-15T05:43:26+00:00

I can’t speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself. It’s not that I/we are looking for women in the wrong places. A woman (or PERSON/PARTNER in general) like you is hard to come by. Consider yourself a unicorn, a member in a herd of unicorns. Not always, but typically, like people attract like people. People who like to fish, for example, they spend time around other people who like to fish. People who read books go to book clubs with people who read books. Again, not ALWAYS, but typically — good people spend time around good people. And i have found that women like you run in herds, packs of sorts. Why it works this way is probably another topic for another day; but typically the same types of women that create the kind of disdain people in this thread are talking about, they don’t even get along with each other. So they either are solo, or at best, have few friends and for a short time. -Which is one of the many traits they possess that is difficult to expose before “we” men get stung by them.

themolestedsliver · 2022-07-15T20:18:01+00:00

The funny thing about the quote "when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression" is I think it fits feminists/women more than it fits men.

Considering the fact women can freely talk about their plights at this point in time without worrying about their career or losing friends demonstrates they aren't oppressed. There are numerous laws and mandates that were made specifically to the benefit of women (scholarships, hiring practices, gender based quotas, "violence against women" legislation , the draft, etc etc).

Meanwhile what about men? Well personally I've experienced soured friendships from mentioning my belief men are more oppressed than women and the one time I brought this up academically in a college class (in response to family court bias a female class mate discussed personally experiencing) the professor dismissed my claim as well the claim of another peer who agreed with me and ended the conversation with "Well women suffer more so lets stop acting like this isn't the case".

"when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression" rings quite true when you consider we as Men's rights activists/allies are seen as oppressors when in actuality all we want is equality.

Feminism in it's current form CANNOT accept the fact men are suffering as well and need help. Why is that? Well as most things in this world it comes down to dollars and cents.

What do you think will happen once the perpetual female victim narrative is gone? The money that goes to these feminist institutions will have to be dived out to men's rights institutions. Women who's whole identity revolve around "Burn the Patriarchy!!" will have a crisis of sorts when understanding men aren't the cause of all the worlds problems and that it's a complex web of selfishness and narcissism even if that understanding is far less appealing.

Simply put when you're a victim you are understood to have no agency. If someone puts a gun to your head and tells you 'DRIVE" if you crash the car or drive the car into oncoming traffic who would blame you?

Sadly for too many women they NEED this sort of boogeyman to justify all their little failings and give their life meaning. Well if I was born a guy I'd be rich, successful and powerful. But since I'm a women THE MAN keeps me down and in my place.

As most of us on this sub are deeply aware of that is not the reality. There are multitudes of examples in which men are discriminated, belittled, and ultimately ignore compared to women who get the lions share of attention.

What about violence against women?? Uh what about the fact men are by far more likely to be the victim of violence crime (mugging, murder, assault) compared to women?

oh but those are by other men Wow so just because a victim shares a sex with the person who victimizes them that means they deserve less sympathy? classy

Why are there less female CEOs compared to men?🤔. funny how the other side of the coin is never mentioned, how there are less female garbage collectors, oil rig workers, crab fishers? Not only that but unlike women a man's worth is intrinsically tied to their career so their is a bit more of an impetus for men to shoot for the stars.

Look at the end of the day I'm not going to pretend women don't suffer and that patriarchies don't exist (Afghanistan, north Korea) however this idea women have a monopoly on all the suffering of the world is unfounded and EXTREMELY sexist at the end of the day.

Lunarex77 · 2022-07-16T04:51:17+00:00

Feminist’s don’t hate men and they’ve said that multiple times

2022-08-08T12:29:00+00:00

I love feminism…I consider myself a feminist…but I don’t believe in the beta feminist that goes around playing victim and making excuses. I believe in the alpha feminist(one who is kind, listens, knows her roles in society, loves herself as well as others)…alpha feminist’s run circles around beta feminist because they help more people and have a strong urge to serve.

Title	Equality feels like oppression?
Author	GoodBoyJohny
Upvotes	566
Comments	530
Date	July 14, 2022 5:55 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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