If a man uses his resources to attract women, does that make him a beta male?

woodybuzz71 · 2021-12-03T13:25:31+00:00

Jeff Bezos is beta asf then

oldcamembert · 2021-12-03T13:35:23+00:00

I think it is a question of correlation vs causation.

Will there be "alpha" types that have excess resources? Yes. Will many women be attracted to these resources as well as alpha-traits? Very likely.

Will there be "beta" types that have excess resources? Yes. Will many women be attracted to these resources despite beta-traits? Very likely.

How to tell the two scenarios above apart with certainty? I have no idea.

One sure-fire litmus test for "alpha" traits, from my perspective, is when the situation is reversed and the woman starts spending her own resources on the man.

taapy234 · 2021-12-03T13:32:45+00:00

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Beta male game IS the defacto standard ideal that almost ALL families try to instill on their male children. Dare I say, across all cultures even?

Its just that the sexual revolution of the sixties has made the beta game (atleast in the west) a thing of past.

Of course beta game didn't instantly went away just because of the sexual revolution. It caused the slow decline over the years and decades and it made things exponentially worse once the smartphone revolution took hold of everybody after 2010.

Today, only simps and desperate men and oblivious men and clueless men REALLY believe beta game will get them life long happiness. They don't realize the fact that women today no longer need "protection" from external threats. Governments, police force, bureaucrats and biased judiciary took over that role decades ago.

Trying to be a beta man in 2021 is a losing proposition for men. Its setting yourself for failure before you even make the first step.

Its simple game theory. You can't play beta game with a modern woman who shamelessly engages in unrestrained hypergamous behavior that is culturally encouraged ideologically by feminists.

You can't be "civil" with people who engage in caveman instincts. This is why people tell you to not pet wild animals. Same reasoning.

The ideal mating behavior that modern women want is AF/BB. So as a modern redpilled man, you got to alter your behavior to maximize YOUR benefits/instincts over modern woman.

buttercup_1511039 · 2021-12-03T13:35:22+00:00

Yeah. Unattractive men have to compensate with resources. But even if you did that the woman still wouldn't be attracted to you. Wealth doesn't generate desire

PapaDragonHH · 2021-12-03T12:57:10+00:00

A man uses his money, when himself is not enough, therefor making him per definition a Beta male.

Throwawayy21312315 · 2021-12-03T12:52:15+00:00

Yes, but people will cope and say it doesn't. Using anything besides the physical and mental attributes you were born with to attract women is Beta Male behavior.

Think about some of the most sexually successful men you know in your personal life. Do they have to pay to play? "Using resources" is just prostitution by another name.

Bandit174 · 2021-12-03T14:31:56+00:00

I'm wondering if that belief it still held to this day.

Yeah I would agree that alpha is being able to get sex with just your looks and charisma. Beta is when you can only get sex when using money and commitment.

It's all cool that the alpha can didn't need to pay money for a one night stand, but he's fucking frumpy bitches he wouldn't want be to be seen in public with. Meanwhile, beta male's fucking supermodels on a weekly basis.

I dont think alphas are typically fucking ugly chicks nor do I think betas are typucally fucking supermodels on a weekly basis. Even the supermodels who sleep with/get in relationships with men for money have also had casual sex with alphas who didn't have to pay/commit.

All that being said, I don't think beta is always the worst thing in the world. Like a high tier beta that uses money to get a 8/9 is more enviable than a low tier alpha who mainly gets 6s & 7s. However a high tier alpha who can get 8s/9s is superior to the high tier beta.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2021-12-03T20:13:29+00:00

Absolutely not.

This is where I markedly differ from TRP and blackpill because those viewpoints believe that sexual attraction cannot arise from the sheer power of money.

They are so stupidly wrong it's not even funny.

The only explanation is that most of these cats haven't seen the sheer power money (specifically money being thrown around) can have.

The notion falls apart if you even think about it for five seconds. TRP and blackpill bleat all the time about how historically, so many women reproduced in comparison to men. What do you think the deciding factor was for those guys who did extremely well?

Good bodies and faces? LMFAO

Genghis Khan wasn't a prettyboy.

These men controlled and had access to a disproportionate share of resources which in turn begat disproportionate power.

It's all cool that the alpha can didn't need to pay money for a one night stand, but he's fucking frumpy bitches he wouldn't want be to be seen in public with. Meanwhile, beta male's fucking supermodels on a weekly basis.

You have it exactly.

Mark my words --- the only way to leverage your position in the sexual marketplace to somehow have a woman at your looks level or better behave with that sexual desire often rhapsodized is....make fucking bank, increase status, increase power.

AquaChip · 2021-12-03T13:03:57+00:00

Yes. But I found out there is a catch. If you use your resources to attract a young and very attractive woman then it cancels out the beta male behavior because having 19 year old arm candy when you’re 40 boosts your status among other men. There is a perceived return on investment. BUT if you use your resources to attract a less desirable woman like a woman your age or an average looking woman they will think you’re a beta because you “wasted” your resources on a woman other men don’t deem as worthy. If you don’t believe me look at how mad red pill men get when they see a male celebrity with an older woman or a woman who is less attractive than he is. They absolutely hate it. Calling him “beta this” and “beta that”.

If you ask me, using resources to attract women makes you beta period (whether you use them to get a hot young girlfriend or not) but they don’t want to admit that.

I think a good test on whether a man is alpha or not is: Would she still be with you if you had nothing to give her other than your body and natural personality? No? Then you’re beta.

dbz19 · 2021-12-03T13:06:22+00:00

I don't think it's unreasonable for a woman to take into consideration a partner's ability to provide security and stability. If that makes me a beta, whatever, I can live with some label attached to me by internet autists.

Not a personal attack.

1master_dom · 2021-12-03T13:43:53+00:00

If it’s out of necessity then yes, if it’s out of convenience then no

omegajelly200 · 2021-12-03T14:03:23+00:00

It's beta if a woman will not want to fuck you if you don't have your money, and will leave you if you don't have your money. At best she is faking it on liking you, at worst she is putting up with you liking her.

beatsaroundthebush_ · 2021-12-03T14:21:18+00:00

No if you are okay with then not being attracted to you. Down the line you re going to have a dead bedroom and a girlfriend who despises any physical contact. I don’t think any guy wants to end up in that situation. If you just care about the amount of hot women that you will get to fuck, why not I guess?

Paranoidexboyfriend · 2021-12-03T14:37:48+00:00

"If a man uses his resources to attract women, does that make him a beta male?"

It depends. If he uses those resources on himself to buy a nice car, nice clothes, nice haircut, etc. And women want to fuck him in part because he's rich that's fine. Where it passes into beta stuff is when he actually starts giving those resources to the woman. Buying expensive gifts, paying for expensive trips and 5 star meals all the time, letting her live rent free and jobless in his mansion, that's beta stuff. But if she doesn't get any access to the cash, then its not.

RPslimjim · 2021-12-03T14:48:14+00:00

There is no short and simple answer. If you’re truly redpoll you should be focusing on yourself and improving your looks, situation, money, etc. once you’ve improved that, women should be a by-product of that improvement. Generally when you make that change your lifestyle and habits change. So if you’re lifestyle becomes more luxurious, and women are attracted to that, it doesn’t make you beta.

However discovery trumps disclosure every single time. Be a little aloof with the fancy things. I think AMS was spinning a plate and she had been with him a few months before she found out he had a Mercedes (he lived in New York at he time).

All in all, it depends. Hypergamous women will be attracted to your status regardless. It’s a by-product of self improvement. But if you flaunt money to get a girls attention then yes, it’s beta.

JacobMoogberg69 · 2021-12-03T14:57:36+00:00

Yes, it does. Any man who has to buy affection and access to sex is a beta. Women have always been available to men who believe they are excellent, worthy and respect themselves as men. They don't have to be attractive looking, but they are always charming, confident and can dominantly lead a woman on an adventure.

DrBoby · 2021-12-03T15:06:58+00:00

Depends how much ressources. You have to count in percentage.

It's not about money, it's just that betas have to make huge efforts, while alphas don't. Effort can be translated to money.

pubgmisc · 2021-12-03T15:09:32+00:00

If he doesn’t know about women he’ll get burnt yes

Chaddamhusein · 2021-12-03T16:06:19+00:00

if his money is the ONLY way to attract women then yes imo

If he has something else beside it then probably no

Liberal_On_Guns · 2021-12-03T16:23:20+00:00

No. He can't help the fact that resources attract women.

SKY_ACTIV3 · 2021-12-03T18:13:09+00:00

If a man’s resources are the main thing that a woman is with a man for, that’s a “betabuxx” relationship. If the gap is big enough, then that’s a good digging/sugar relationship.

Any redpill guy complaining about money/jobs being part of a man’s appeal is being pretty delusional. As long as you aren’t dating women wildly below your income bracket, this is pretty much always going to be a factor. You having a job doesn’t mean she’s not also attracted to you physically. Just don’t offer wild gifts or commitment too early, unless the latter is what you want too.

That being said, it’s important to watch their actions. If you’re both young, and she’s hopping into bed with a bunch of hunky dudes, but waiting on you, that’s an obvious sign that you’re her chump bitch. But if she’s genuinely relationship minded, has a good career, and is interested in a guy who can keep up to some extent, that’s a completely different scenario.

Redpill misses the mark with their dichotomy, but the distaste of betabuxxing isn’t completely unjustified. Just don’t lead with that part of yourself and vet for women that are physically attracted. I don’t envy the homeless alpha fucking homely girls or the beta chump paying off supermodels. I envy the young, attractive dudes with good jobs that have a steady rotation of cute, reliable girls that he can be in a mutually attracted relationship with. That man is in a far better position to be in a relationship, or just mess around, and he can be secure in both.

Lateralanouncer · 2021-12-03T19:55:41+00:00

Yes. With the aception of older successful alpha males that are now hiring sugar babies to protect their resources.

2021-12-03T19:57:15+00:00

If your game is all based around your resources, all you’re going to attract is women interested in your resources.

If your game is all based on your looks, all you’re going to attract is women interested in your looks.

Sorry champ. You need a personality.

Flightlessbirbz · 2021-12-03T20:00:12+00:00

“Alpha” and “beta” are not scientific terms for human males, and most men don’t fit into these tidy little categories. Yes, these terms can be descriptive, but there is room for subjectivity and people will never agree on definitions.

LotBuilder · 2021-12-03T20:06:02+00:00

No. I think all this alpha/beta talk is really beta. If a guy calls himself an alpha he most certainly isn’t.

Money/status are resources that attract women. It’s the big picture. Are you a beta is all you have is money and it was not self made… maybe. Are you an alpha is you are broke but can get women… not in my mind because an alpha has traits that can be monetized and if you can’t then there is an issue.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2021-12-03T21:00:07+00:00

PlayfulLawyer · 2021-12-03T21:32:55+00:00

If you lead with your wallet , yes, obviously men look at women as sex objects women look at man as success objects but there's still more that has to go into it, if you lead with your wallet that just means you have no game pretty much

Zerofication · 2021-12-03T21:35:53+00:00

I don't know why you guys believe fucking supermodels is some sort of heaven, it's body-assisted masturbation with a lot of unnecessary BS. Hot or not, your body still produces the same neurochemicals with the same amount. Hell, drugs get you far more euphoric if that's your goal.

GrandRub · 2021-12-03T21:54:54+00:00

LowCreddit · 2021-12-03T22:15:16+00:00

Not particularly... no. It's about the trading of resources. You can flaunt your status and wealth, although for a lot of men this can be negative for them. Alphas trade sperm for sex. Betas trade resources. That's their primary distinction.

Alphas also don't always fuck frumpy bitches. They also fuck frumpy bitches. When you are discussing men who have hundreds of notches, you will see every woman of every shape and size, from supermodels to People of Walmart.

purplish_possum · 2021-12-04T14:52:26+00:00

Yes!

Obviously.

Stoic_WillToPower · 2021-12-03T12:58:57+00:00

You misunderstand the dynamic of AF/BB

It is really about closing the deal. Anyone that can regularly close the deal largely on their terms is alpha. A beta is giving without reciprocation. The Beta is betting on the hope of getting laid where an alpha is not doing anything unless he is getting laid.

Some people are filthy rich and what is a lot of money to one person is pocket change to them. If they use that to close the deal it is just as alpha as long as the deal is being closed. Many times a person that has resources simply rides in the fact that they have resources and spending is not really necessary.

Negging can be a huge strategy with guys that lead with resources (wealth). By not spending money on someone that can motivate the person to want to try harder.

JameisBong · 2021-12-03T13:23:00+00:00

Yes, but it's not a problem unless you don't understand that love is a transaction.

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-12-03T12:54:39+00:00

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majani · 2021-12-03T20:57:29+00:00

What makes you say beta males are fucking supermodels on a weekly basis? Is it because you see men spending big money and pretty women are hanging around them? That's not a sure sign of the guy getting some from the woman. More often than not, those gold diggers play all sorts of mind games to get the money/experiences without giving the sugar in return and then go back home to their actual Chad boyfriends. And when they do get cornered into giving the sugar, they get piss drunk so they can just lay back and think of England.

Also your assertion that guys who don't use money get frumpy girls is laughably off. Handsome guys get pretty women all the time, and those pretty women simp hard for them. It's a world of difference from how sugar daddies are treated

heyitsjeape · 2021-12-03T12:55:38+00:00

I live a somewhat isolated life so forgive this question: What do you mean by “alpha” or “beta”? Is this a stylistic or rank order difference in your framing?

michael1962-01 · 2021-12-03T12:55:29+00:00

I.d.k.

My ltr is a 10. 37y age gap. Am i a beta male..?

Well. Her libido is through the roof. She is rich too She's looking better than those make up'ed supermodels

Mmmmmm.... i will go and think.....

She is not pegging me...

So i must be the alpha???

Cowboy allowed?

Questions...Questions... Questions....

To much for such a small male brain... i think i am a left rotating Omega...

Aldabruzzo · 2021-12-03T13:03:00+00:00

Was ok until the last paragraph. Alphas fuck the supermodels. Betas can’t even pay for supermodels. No amount of commitment gets supermodels.

Your understanding of the experience of men is in outer space

No_Exercise_8670 · 2021-12-03T12:53:04+00:00

I would say that trying to classify yourself makes you beta male. Who cares really about those letters? They are mostly for reference in describing people's behavior.

wtknight · 2021-12-03T13:19:27+00:00

No, because a man should be using both his alpha and beta traits to attract women long-term. A man who uses only his alpha traits is just a fuckboy and, while he is having sex, I don’t think that not being able to find a woman who wants to commit to him is something that one should be proud of.

D4sthian · 2021-12-03T13:56:25+00:00

That kind of man is the one who simps for her, who swallows every shit she throws at him and who accepts her bad behavior/forgives her whoring etc etc.

If a man uses his resources to attract women but then doesn’t give a fuck about her or puts on hard boundaries that she can’t cross no matter what, that doesn’t make him a beta.

ogsimpology · 2021-12-03T14:28:57+00:00

Depends on how you look at it. The whole beta and alpha male thing is cringe. The supposed alphas are usually ones with most fragile egos, so idk how you'd go on by grouping people as alpha and beta.

To me, "using resources" is a natural thing in a relationship. Not be honest, I don't see "spending money" on your significant other as "spending it" as long as it makes you happy, makes them happy, and as long as the person is not using you for money.

I love buying my wife gifts, spending on dinners and lunches and taking her on trips. Am I a beta for this? Yes? Alright, but I definitely have a much, much better status (socially) because she's seen as a woman who has this loving, caring, and selfless husband, and I have an even happier and thankful wife who gives me unconditional support and care. So I don't really see it as beta........

cantwifeahoe · 2021-12-03T14:49:15+00:00

It depends on how many resources he has and what caliber of woman he attracts

SwinginPastMyKnees_ · 2021-12-03T14:54:56+00:00

There's a big difference between leading with your resources and having more resources, which will naturally attract more women.

Women would love to be with a guy who CAN splurge on her and take her on lavish trips. Versus a guy who spends all his discretionary money trying to make her happy.

spinsterchachkies · 2021-12-03T15:34:49+00:00

The alpha and beta dichotomy is stupid. All men are beta to someone. It’s a matter of opinion tbh

jawnzoo · 2021-12-03T16:24:28+00:00

that first sentence doesn't even make sense and can be interchangeable.

weird mindset dude, not caring about this alpha, beta, sigma bullshit is the most "alpha"

M_LaSalle · 2021-12-03T18:08:30+00:00

No. Alpha is a state of mind. OP's question assumes that alpha men never have resources. Men use what they have. Some men have only the financial resources they possess. You can have looks and charm and still have a paying job. If you aren't the alpha billionaire of the romance novel fantasies, you can at least be capable of helping to support a family and maybe you actually want to do that. Alpha doesn't mean that you spend every waking moment in the pursuit of pussy.

-CuriousPanda- · 2021-12-03T19:11:03+00:00

Her use of your resources is no indication of whether or not you’re “beta” or whatever. Are you satisfied with your sexual relationship? If not, and she remains with you, you’re being used. If you have a great sex life, and she enjoys your money as a side benefit, it’s not a big deal. Just my two cents.

sernamedeleted · 2021-12-03T19:41:16+00:00

There is no such thing as a "Beta" or "Alpha" male. The entire concept is based on a flawed premise and has been debunked multiple times in multiple ways using reliable scientific data.

Aubrey_D_Graham · 2021-12-03T20:40:21+00:00

Alpha and beta dichotomy is how men, women, and society treat a man. If they respect the man, then he is alpha. How he gets that recognition is through looks, money, and status. Mindset is important too.

A man can use resources and be alpha ie: Christian Grey.

catbuckettt · 2021-12-04T00:18:57+00:00

billsull_02842 · 2021-12-04T00:35:42+00:00

women are not going to support an alpha to the omega or anything in between.

Virtual-Jackfruit243 · 2021-12-04T02:47:50+00:00

So I guess every male in the past was a beta lol

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2021-12-04T08:07:50+00:00

Yes . He is a beta male if he ONLY can use his money to get women. If he never got women before and now uses money , he is a beta male.

nemma88 · 2021-12-04T10:46:04+00:00

Not necessarily. The most sought after men use status, personality, looks and resource.

High resources though as you point but allow men to punch well above the looks weight, and at least at one point RP was well on board with resources (and status) as a prominent tool for attracting women, increasing SMV as well as RMV.

advocatesparten · 2021-12-04T14:01:45+00:00

Tangentially related. I once witnessed some women who had seen a guy on pull up in a sports cars, say “tiny penis”. It cans out louder than she intended, since he heard it, smiled and said “massive……bank account”. We all laughed.

TheMorningJoe · 2021-12-05T09:30:37+00:00

redback-spider · 2021-12-05T12:40:56+00:00

Well if you need to promise money and commitment then yes you are a beta. If you just have it and show it but not PROMISE it and not give commitment, then not.

And how can a beta male give commitment first and then fuck on a weekly basis different supermodels? Scamming the girls about commitment or what do you mean?

Not that models are actually the most beautiful girls, they just have to be thin and big to be good cloth stands, they don't should look tooo good because they are not the product, but not to bad so they can make the product not look bad.

So yes supermodels are good looking but there are better looking smaller women that are not supermodels. Modeling is not a beauty contest.

jcsharknado · 2021-12-09T02:47:42+00:00

The problem with the beta and alpha concepts is that they are very ambiguous, I do not date women due to legal differences, at least in Spain you can end up in jail for the word of a woman even being a gay man xD and they are thinking of extending that law to all of Europe XD. I also don't like the topics that you propose LillthOfBabylon, many of them are subjective topics in which there are as many definitions as there are opinions, it seems that you just want to see people argue to fucking infinity, you just want to put pussymen shit, it's like an atheist and a religious people will discuss the existence of God, they are tedious subjects that do not seek to get anywhere, this is one of the reasons why I hated philosophy in the first year of high school, in the end people think their way, and few people investigate to the limit.

Focus on the fucking legal issues, period, and by the way I also think that the educational system is very poorly done, one of the reasons why men drop out of the educational system.

LackOf_Empathy · 2021-12-03T13:04:21+00:00

A man needs at least 2 out of 3 things in the dating market; Game, Looks, and Assets. If a man uses money in order to attract and get sex from a woman it doesn't make him a Beta or an Alpha male. Just because a man gets ladies doesn't mean he's an Alpha, he could be a respectable Beta.

FitNovember · 2021-12-03T13:37:46+00:00

Ok. How about this. Stop referring to women as “frumpy bitches” and as “slumming it”. If you want a young girl—get one. But have a little respect when talking about women. You don’t need to belittle or degrade women.

Diamond-Breath · 2021-12-03T14:38:19+00:00

It's a cope broke men use. Thinking that having and using resources to attract women makes them a beta male is laughable. All the wealthy men are a far cry of the beta male meme, they're not there on the top of the world because they let people walk all over them. To be successful you must be ruthless and charismatic. There's nothing hotter than a capable and generous man. Don't listen to some of the men here, it's better to listen to the women (you know, the ones that are actually attracted to men).

2021-12-04T14:31:33+00:00

I mean..... In the end there's really only so much you can do with your looks. I have friends who are just blessed with God Tier genetics; and walk into a party and just start making out with babes who are like 8 - 9+ on the scale. They routinely just "fall into" relationships with girls who wouldn't look twice at me.

Good for them! God bless em; that doesn't generally work for guys like me. So we operate as realists; if we want sex/relationships we have to have a certain level of resources/social power/influence/intrigue. There are many paths to getting this; and not all of them require money necessarily (social proof/influence is quite potent).

Personally; I see an "Alpha" as someone who can walk away at any time; no emotion/as well as someone that has ironclad protections for all resources. Basically keeping themselves in a bubble to get the sex/relationships they want but never truly committing 100%

I understand that's not the redpill definition; but having seen "Chads" make the same silly mistakes that get them finessed as so called "Beta Males"; I like my definition better.

Basically internalizing the idea that "She's not really yours; it's just your turn"; and not really having any attachment or spending anymore resources than necessary to get what you want.

If a man uses his resources to attract women, does that make him a beta male?

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Title	If a man uses his resources to attract women, does that make him a beta male?
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Date	December 3, 2021 12:44 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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