Starting in middle school, it starts to be pretty obvious that the most good looking, tallest, fastest, strongest, most social, most intelligent (this does depend on where you’re from and what culture you were raised in), most well-connected, and generally approachable men are popular.

If you were ugly or fat in school you’d have grown up intimately familiar with your own shortcomings. This isn’t some groundbreaking knowledge.

Adults won’t (and I’d say shouldn’t) give you advice on seduction or attraction, not until you’re at least near the end of high school. It’s normal that they’d say that being nice is what counts. And being nice does count, but it’s very, very obvious that it’s not all that counts.

And this sub also has a fucked idea of what people mean when they say they like nice people. Being nice is about being morally consistent and being generally caring for society, it’s not about being a doormat or acting friendly for a reward.

It’s your job to figure out social attraction and dynamics, whether that’s learning to make friends or getting laid or finding a partner. Beyond generic advice and basic platitudes, this journey is your own to figure out.

A common sentiment on here is that men were misdirected, that they were lied to about what women like. To those men, did you spend your schooling years with your eyes closed?

Getting fitter or more physically attractive and getting more attention isn’t some earth shattering revelation, blue pill normies are well fucking aware of this. The fact that women like attractive men isn’t a moral death sentence that makes them some evil hoes. The same goes for men, men liking attractive women doesn’t make them objectifying dicks, objectification is something else.

Being physically fit, socially competent, and having goals in life are normal things. I don’t get how a lot of men on here pretend that society lies about all this.

If I become a dad, I’ll just teach my kid(s) to be social, active, participate in sports, and I’ll shut the fuck up about dating, that’s for them to figure out. That’s the single best thing a parent can do, just let your kids find out for themselves.