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will rape and murder their way to control of the country?

I see the propaganda machine is already turning well. Most of the cities fell without a shot being fired.

I'm not at all defending the Taliban, but they're not ISIS, they want to rule the country, they dont want to rule over a wasteland of slaughtered Afghans.

The only alternative to a withdrawal is to stay there forever, in order to fight for people who despise us and everything we stand for, yet also expect us to step in and sacrifice significant lives and treasure to do their fighting for them, because they're too much of cowards to do so themselves.

The ANA is 200k strong, equipped with modern weaponry paid for by America, while the Taliban are 80k strong fighting with decades old weaponry, yet they fled without even putting up a fight.

The bottom line that entitled western liberals dont get that the average Afghan's beliefs probably line up with about 95% of what the Taliban believe and will implement.

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Colonization isn't when a European Western power does something in a foreign country, even if its a brutal occupation (which this wasn't) its not colonization.

Colonization would have required American enclaves being set up, a US based ruling class, a subversion of local authority to the US citizenry loyal to their home country not their new home.

In the US you have groups doing this, its literally Machiavellian in that its described by him as a means of taking control of a region you can't just beat at first in a head on war. It doesn't have to be planned directly but I realized this when a Hispanic colleague said something under her breath at a presentation 20 years ago in my schooling and they were talking the demographic shift in the US "We're slowly taking over".

Thats colonization. It doesn't have to be a military occupation, its basically moving into and out breeding your opposition.

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It is not false narratives, women have choices, he has no choice in his job. (and most men have very little choice in acquiring sex)

Here are some tips.

It is not hard to check where the value of a man is, only look at their actions, never hear a word they say (same as with women, really).
Also, most men are extremely poor at theatrics, they don't put much (if any) effort in making it congruent with reality, making their stories very hard to believe if you analyze them coldly. (emphasis on coldly, You must use the rationality you were supposed to have).
Stop giving deaf ears to people around you who say you are dealing with assholes. Women don't have control of emotion should use the rationale of others to supplement their failures.
"fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" Own you own shit when you are fooled. Learn from your past mistakes.
If he is "too good to be true" it is because it IS too good to be true.
Finally remember you are on a market. You are a services and goods provider. And so is he. If you only care about what you demand but completely refuses to know if it is congruent with the market you obviously you gonna be fooled over and over.

There are many good trade partners in all markets, but if you are not to question too good marketing, you are a fool.

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They don't, they wave their red flags with more gusto than a pride parade

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

Most abusers act like perfect nice gentleman, until they've managed to isolate her.

Abusive men are usually insecure Nice Guys that attract women by pretending to be nice, caring and romantic

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11149306

The majority of perpetrators of domestic violence are men. Perpetrators are often young, troubled, unemployed, and of low self-esteem; they have often experienced abuse (of various types) themselves

http://www.reachofclaycounty.org/domestic-violence

Many abusers suffer from low self-esteem, and their sense of self and identity is tied to their partner. Therefore, if abusers feel they are somehow losing the victim, either through separation, divorce, emotional detachment, or pregnancy (fearing victims will replace love for them with love for a child), they will lash out. If victims "leave" through any of these methods, abusers feel they are losing power, control, and their self-identity.

Many victims describe domestic violence perpetrators as having a "Jekyll and Hyde" personality. Abusers often experience dramatic mood swings of highs and lows. They may be loving one minute, and spiteful and cruel the next. Abusers are frequently characterized by those outside the home as generous, caring, and good, and behave drastically differently in their home environment. Perpetrators of domestic violence are rarely violent to those outside of their domicile.

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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I was a bouncer for 5y, my job was to deal with abusive idiots.

Abusive men are usually insecure Nice Guys that attract women by pretending to be nice, caring and romantic

Not even close. They are primarily wanna-be tough guys, but they certainly are insecure. The whole 'nice-guy' trope is just female hamstering.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11149306

What a wonderful opinion piece, here's a real study with ACTUAL data:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.

Sorry that reality doesn't support your victimhood narrative. The reality is most abusers seek out abusive relationships.

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Less attractive women also want Chad on the exact same terms as attractive women.

Yes, everyone can see Chad is attractive and their hormones work fine. But this is not the same.

Ugly guy with Stacy is a trope. Ugly woman with Chad is a stressful life. She has a target on her back because everyone recognizes how important looks are to men so he is "pretty much" available for the taking in their minds. Think of any attractive A list actor with a wife people think isn't pretty enough.

It's a humiliating position without people seeing the leverage that an ugly guy would have. Most people won't have a rich ugly man's money so they know they can't compete. But better looking women can offer sex to compete and the assholes amongst them do.

Chad does not feel like a realistic option for women aware of their lack of attractiveness so most won't even go there.

Men, on the other hand, say things like "I will work hard enough to get rich enough for a woman that beautiful"

At least the last generation did. Now we have a growing mass of unattractive men who demand to be chosen, pursued, and fucking immediately like Chad for no reason at all.

The actual ugly guys, the scrawny Indians etc. don't even register as men to most women, they aren't looked at as even being theoretically possible as a sexual partner.

Til they run sugar daddy/beta buxx game like every unattractive man before them. Women don't have that option so please.

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Ugly guy with Stacy is a trope.

Yeah, in Hollywood movies. It's wish fulfillment for men because it very rarely happens in real life, unless the guy is wealthy. In the same vein the 'handsome rich guy falls in love with poor girl despite her having no personality' trope is one that is very popular amongst women in various forms of media.

Chad does not feel like a realistic option for women aware of their lack of attractiveness so most won't even go there.

Then who are these women Chad is fucking all the time? With the prevelance of OLD these women will absolutely see Chad as a realistic option because he will message her to come fuck whenever they match. She just gets unreasonably annoyed when he treats her as an easy pump and dump, despite that being what he obviously was using her for.

Now we have a growing mass of unattractive men who demand to be chosen, pursued, and fucking immediately like Chad for no reason at all.

Bored of this strawman argument, ugly men are not going around enraged because they can't get Scarlett Johansson on their dick, they mostly just want a woman of equivalent attractiveness.

The problem is that because Chad was willing to use her as an easy fuck, that Chad should somehow be willing to get into a relationship with her, and so her standards are now much higher than her level of attraction warrants.

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I read somewhere where a women said less attractive guys are too insecure to date less attractive women. First that makes no sense. And secondly is this projecting? Like are there men some women want to date but they are too insecure?

Ah. Since this is a part of ThePinkPill, I'm more than happy to explain.

It makes perfect sense. A lot of manospherians like to flatter themselves by claiming men are independent thinkers impervious to influence and attention seeking. Wrong.

In reality, a lot of men use the attractiveness of the women they can get for status. It's supposed to signal to other men he is a man of value and enviable. Its supposed to raise him a few points.

It is why certain races who struggle with their position on a totem pole in a racist society are so married to their identity being "propped up" with the social value of a certain race of women.

They go above and beyond to treat the woman well at personal cost to secure her even if the relationship doesn't serve enough of their private needs.

It projects an image and supposed to be a salve to a deep and painful insecurity. (No, not all IR relationships are built on this).

It's why, even if an unattractive woman was great at sex and private comfort, a lot of men won't want to be seen with the woman. Because her lack of attractiveness "reflects badly on him".

If you see an ugly man or an old man with a very attractive woman, most of society will assume he is wealthy. This is status. If he is an outlier who is loved by a beautiful woman without being wealthy, he is a special kind of "lucky and impressive". This is not the case if he pairs with an unattractive women as evidenced by the mockery of, say, Walmart couples for example.

All the talk about social media girls doing things for attention and chasing status. Meanwhile trophy wives, sugar babies, and being paired with an attractive partner affects a man's image in a positive manner.

The reason unattractive men are bad with this is because they often treat unattractive women with contempt for being the best they can do. They are deeply aware of their social standing in the hierarchy of men and they need the boost that beautiful women cast upon them in the eyes of men (and women). I would say men who are almost attractive with Chad aspirations but can't quite break the ceiling are amongst the worst with this. They can't stand how their more attractive guy friends get female attention more easily so they use and punish women who remind them of the brutal reality of their position in the SMP and in the world.

Attractive men don't have to be as sensitive about their social standing.

They are secure in how the world sees them so they don't need the boost. They can enjoy what they want. Halo affect would just make him seem like a great guy for not being shallow or a lovable cad for "liking what he likes like a boss".

A lot of men are absolutely clout chasers and followers. They will sacrifice their emotional needs for image to make up for feelings of deep inadequacy. Some will break out of it. Others won't.

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It goes so much deeper than that.

For example, take a guy who can get an attractive minority woman and an attractive non-minority woman.

For status chasers, the non-minority makes him "more impressive" to both men like him and non-minority men. Even if says he connects with the minority woman better due to shared experiences or whatever, a guy motivated by status would choose the other woman.

So many of them have been deeply damaged for being told they would never compete with non-minority men. The steady diet of being excluded or looked down upon despite intellect, talent, strength, ability on the sole basis of race is traumatizing to a lot of them. So they overcompensate to compete.

They feel like they succeeded by having what that non-minority man has. "I'm just as good. I'm better, I took this from you." You can see them openly discuss how "men are supposed to conquer by taking the women of the enemy" and so forth.

And if you're ever close with a guy like that he will tell it to you straight. You can even see this reflected in men being johns. Sugar babies and escorts talk about how minority men will pay significantly more for non-minority woman because this serves the fantasy of having the attractive woman that "means they are important". They lowball minority women.

I am not saying this is at all reflective of all interracial relationships. People do fall in love.

But this is a non-negligible substantial reality and you can find versions of this in every non minority country.

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It's okay to not be dialed in to racial issues that you do not relate to.

You being male doesn't mean you understand the axis where racism affects a minority male. Some of these people are my family and friends. They've confided in me. I've been told this to my face when trying to date. Our communities have all types of wars over it, other minority communities both men and women know about this. Like I think the AsianMasculinity sub or HAPA, one of them .. maybe both regularly discuss racial dynamics and compromises being made. The ones proud of their identity go as far as insult the men who do this for being weak and lacking pride in self.

You have no actual knowledge of this and it shows. That's okay. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Its a lot uglier in practice and I have first hand accounts for days from people regardless of sexual orientation that can attest to this. That's said it's not allowed on this sub so I'll stop there.

You say no self respecting male would do this. I agree. That's the point. They are not self respecting.

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Most guys first inclination when they get a hot girl isnt to show her off to his friends and put a picture on social media. Hell many guys complain about being with a really attractive girl because of how much attention she gets from guys hitting on her and dealing with her orbiters.

Is it nice to have a hot girl and have your friends give you a high five. Sure. But IM sure he would rather be at home fucking her.

I honestly dont think unattractive guys issue with dating unattractive women has anything to do with clout. In fact I think most guys would rather have a girl whi is really hot to them and meh to others then a really hot girl that is meh to them.

Even if all a guys friends think a particular girl is hot, I dont think that would change how a guy feels about her.

I dont know if that is the same for women; who seem to care more about how a guy reflects on them, rather then how she feels about the guy. At least initially.

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Nah, not at all. Seriously, all a woman has to do is randomly type in a bunch of characters. Its one half of a step more than swiping. Women aren't deterred from bumble and the women i know still on OLD prefer it.

Women aren't on OLD because we are sick and tired of it. The model has run its course and swiping now has proven arduous and the men unreliable. And at least for me, I observe myself succumb to the paradox of choice and it becomes a waste of time. Its akin to losing hours on amazon trying to find that one item that is slightly cheaper and has slightly better reviews. Psychological games.

And for the fat girls that remain, men on OLD treat them atrociously. The only attractive girl I know having success on OLD is gold digging and getting simps to fly her all over the world. Most women are over OLD

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Just in case you don't know, #metoo harpies are going after Bob Dylan now.

Just when you start to loosen up and start adopting that let & live mentality, feminists have to shit up everything.

Don't get me wrong, I am not condoning child sex here in present day. But atleast we HAVE to agree that previous eras had entirely different cultures when it comes to this topic. (Be it America, Europe and the rest of the world)

My grandma had 2 babies (my dad and his brother) before she hit 18. And another 6 over the next few years)

Defiling music greats because you want a payday from your 56 year old groupie days is just too pathetic. We can defile countless other musicians too (Elvis, Steve Tyler, Chuck Berry, etc etc). But at what cost? Is ruining your credibility worth it?

Judging past with your present day sensibilities is always going to be bad.

And it only hardens the TRP view that AWALT is true. All women are like that. And in this case for the jane doe who filed this lawsuit, its AWALT proven right after 56 years.

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How do I know #believewomen exists? Why does it matter? I'm aware that it exists because there were huge campaigns surrounding times up and other ridiculous shit like that.

I didn't say #believewomen was testimony I said it was a movement that was designed to create the perception that women do not lie. That if you think it's possible that a woman is lying you're a rape enabling sexist.

That's fucking ridiculous. It branches out from that campaign to tainting law enforcement and judges who don't believe obviously false testimony. It sought to and to some level succeeded in painting any male in any level of the legal system who notice an inconsistency or outright lie from a supposed female victim as a sexist rape enabler

This of course leads these people to ignore the lies and inconsistencies because they don't want to be tarred and feathered by the media and in turn imprisoned or punished innocent men.

It's awful

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Then see all popular social media where younger guys are being groomed with this stupidity and then trying to prove themselves by actually doing things to girls for clout.

Except that this is just pure feminist fiction to vilify all male spaces and censure men's freedom of speech by calling it terrorism. Nobody is grooming boys to be anything. The only ones attempting to get into boys' heads to try to screw them up are feminists and their woke agenda and identity politics. Average men do not have the mental energy for such conspiracy theory level of contrivance and malevolent intrigue.

You have no idea how much it annoys young men to be told that their legitimate grievances are all just indoctrination. That someone taught them to feel, think, emote, and express themselves in a way that is distasteful to your ilk's feminist sensitivities. It annoys them because it is a very sneaky attempt at de-legitimizing their strife and attempting to brush it off as mere propaganda from the big bad manosphere.

If young men everywhere are indeed feeling disappointed, betrayed, insulted, mocked, angered, vilified, disenfranchised, attacked, threatened, and ostracized and it is all due to mere propaganda rather than a real world cause for such grievances then let me tell ya' that's one hell of a propaganda campaign - and it can only be feminists who are perpetrating it.

If they stayed out of sight and out of mind, I'd happily pay taxes to
segregate them on their own land so that can be happy, safe, well fed,
with each other and away from women outside of pick me volunteers who
could never come back to the main land. True story."

No you wouldn't. Every time men try to go on their own we are dragged right back into the fold at women's behest. It's the reason secret societies of men exist. Case in point: Freemasonry, the distinguished and still living ancestor of the Manosphere.

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Except that this is just pure feminist fiction to vilify all male spaces and censure men's freedom of speech by calling it terrorism.

TIL the studies, news reports, and survivors of criminals created by the manosphere are merely a figment of feminist imagination. Think I can get them to imagine me a $billi?

I'm going to be the last person to ever sympathize with this fake oppression. Reddit banned our newish female sub for "hate" despite it being overly moderated with absolutely none of the vile shit MGTOW enjoyed for many years and zero criminals making the news.

You have no idea how much it annoys young men to be told that their legitimate grievances are all just indoctrination.

it also annoys pedophiles to be called out for creeping. Doesn't mean that's not what's happening so who gives a shit?

It is clearly grooming. Men who lead male spaces to actually help men don't spend 98% of time and resources creating an imaginary boogyman out of women just to enable losers to avoid accountability at all costs.

Men with no purpose are easy to manipulate and corral into an active army offline and on.

It has a lot to do with the lack of emotional intelligence due to prioritizing performative masculinity over authentic living. And for what? Pussy.

That's why so many of them are suffering no matter how much they rage together. All the feminine aspects that get so demonized are the missing link.

It's a simple formula. Kevin Samuels is eating well simply applying it to his long time show.

Give aimless men something to hate and tell them the common goal makes them justified brothers who will reach Valhalla or wherever.

Oh and promise this will get them pussy.

Look at every single time a group of males have been radicalized, how it's done, what age it's starts. Copy, paste, shoot.

"Blame women" is like the government cheese of the manosphere and its extremely pathetic.

What did feminist even do wrong? Force society to count us as people? Push for our opportunities after yall blocked them the whole time? Raise women's self esteem? These celestial levels of butthurt will never be rational since you have way more tools, power, and network than women do and yall do fuck all

It annoys them because it is a very sneaky attempt at de-legitimizing their strife and attempting to brush it off as mere propaganda from the big bad manosphere.

You mean like how men invalidate women for everything every day? Like how on this very sub they keep mocking rape victims as they share in the comments and call us all neurotic despite what it says on the news and our lives? Like that?

it is all due to mere propaganda rather than a real world cause

No. Its because of their own failure. Prioritizing hedonism and laziness and sex above all else.

To the point where good men get attacked for showing up and trying. Sons abandoned, potential father figures called simps, maintenance of toxic tropes while beating women down with impunity then being angry because women won't choose an unpleasant subjugated life

Who needs propoganda? Do you see fathers and brothers advising the women in their lives to trust men??

No you wouldn't. Every time men try to go on their own we are dragged right back into the fold at women's behest.

Don't tell me what I would and would not do. Yes I really would. I don't want them anywhere around us. Life is easier and happier around men who like women.

I don't wish them harm on MGTOW but men who serve no function and only create hazard and an unpleasant environment are a heavy tax. I rather pay to get rid of it for life.

MGTOW likes to flatter themselves and tell the lie that they are sought out to make it the magnitude of societal rejection more palatable.

People who genuinely want to be gone, go away. Ask all the fatherless children abandoned by men.

You can't subscribe to the ideology that calls us weakminded children then accuse us of having the power to drag all powerful men back. That makes no sense.

It's the reason secret societies of men exist. Case in point: Freemasonry, the distinguished and still living ancestor of the Manosphere.

They aren't a secret. No one cares that men love their club houses. They aren't a problem because they aren't blasting anyone's heads off or inciting crazies. They keep that shit out of the public eye because older, wiser men who understand power dynamics and social structures have common sense.

I don't know what you expect. To opt in on the supremely shitty life you want for us? Why should women trust men to lead when yall can't even take care of yourselves let alone be fair to us?

I support your right to exercise your freedoms far away from us. I don't support yall talking peoples teenage sons and young men to create monsters that make our lives harder for no other reason than being female.

[–]Perseus_the_BoldMGTOW [score hidden] 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"That's why so many of them are suffering no matter how much they rage together. All the feminine aspects that get so demonized are the missing link."

The reason they rage is because it's their masculine nature and identity that is being ripped away from them during their formative years when their masculinity isn't fully developed. We feel caged, maimed, stunted, and mutilated after feminization programs that try and attempt to rip appart a man at the psychological seams and call it "curing him of his toxic masculinity." This is what the real problem is. Feminists get inside young men's heads, fuck with their emotions and mutilate their masculine development and then expect a sane, rational, mature, and well rounded man to be the result.

"Blame women" is like the government cheese of the manosphere and its extremely pathetic."

That entirely depends on what we are blaming them for and if they are in fact accountable of the charges we bring up. Only incels blame women for everything. As I have repeatedly explained: We are not incels. Blaming women is not productive, instead we try to live our lives without women and focus on building ways to live happily without them. Same as you.

What did feminist even do wrong? Force society to count us as people? Push for our opportunities after yall blocked them the whole time? Raise women's self esteem? These celestial levels of butthurt will never be rational since you have way more tools, power, and network than women do and yall do fuck all"

I have already explained above what feminists did, and what they continue to do. Stealing credit from the Civil Rights Movement, the Enlightenment and from Egalitarianism only shows how phony and deceitful feminists are and how craftily they have maneuvered themselves into taking credit for other people's achievements while avoiding accountability for their socially malicious and politically misandrist scheming.

To the point where good men get attacked for showing up and trying."

You didn't mention how it is also women themselves who penalize such men? You think I haven't been that guy who showed up and tried? That I became jaded about women in a vacuum? I'll share a secret with you: misogyny cannot be taught from man to man, it is impossible! Guys will tell sexist-preachers to f'ck right off because they are interested in women and no smack-talking loser with a platform is ever going to convince him that women are god's gift to man. That's unless they meet real women and see what all the fuss is about for themselves. Only women can convince a man to hate them. And even so, it takes an immense amount of relentless emotional battery to truly persuade a man to turn away from women since we are literally hard wired to desire women - it's one of our primary drives.

You have no idea how much it takes to turn a man against his natural desire and sympathy for women, to turn him into a true misogynist. It is simply not natural.

Life is easier and happier around men who like women"

Then why are so many women doing their best to be unbearable and unlikable?

You can't subscribe to the ideology that calls us weakminded children then accuse us of having the power to drag all powerful men back. That makes no sense."

I subscribe to no such ideology, and MGTOW is not an ideology either. I don't believe women are weak minded children, I believe women are just people that I used to know and like. My feelings for them in general are like those one would have for a childhood friend who has since passed away and exists only in my distant memories who is now gone and is never coming back. Only thing to do is make peace with the loss and move on.

I don't know what you expect. To opt in on the supremely shitty life you want for us? Why should women trust men to lead when yall can't even take care of yourselves let alone be fair to us?

I do not want any kind of life for you, my belief is that women should determine their own fate just like us. That's it. No agenda. I do not ask that women trust in us. In fact I tell women to stop trusting or depending on us and go their own way. This is better for men if we are not burdened with taking care of women's interests and they instead take care of themselves all on their own without us.

[–]Perseus_the_BoldMGTOW [score hidden] 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"TIL the studies, news reports, and survivors of criminals created by the manosphere are merely a figment of feminist imagination.

The manosphere is not some nebulous academy of extremists. It is the colloquial name give to any online space where men congregate for many reason. You see how you defame the name in order to vilify the innocuous? These are tired old feminist tactics borrowed from the worst of politics.

I'm going to be the last person to ever sympathize with this fake oppression. Reddit banned our newish female sub for "hate" despite it being overly moderated with absolutely none of the vile shit MGTOW enjoyed for many years and zero criminals making the news."

There is no phony oppression here. We do not subscribe to the slavish idea of victimhood. You have us confused with incels who in many cases are literal children - boys as young as 14 trolling the internet. These are your extremists. You speak of reddit banning well moderated subs while our own was banned just because an incel loser who went on to commit a crime happened to have lurked on a sub that has the same acronym. If you are talking about the original Pink Piller sub I remember it. I used to participate in it before reddit went on it's censuring rampage. I see that there is a new one but it doesn't welcome men like the original did, and it gives off an FDSesque vibe which doesn't bode well. I don't think the message is the same. The original Pink Pillers were WGTOW. Which is probably why they were shut down, god forbid people take ownership of their own damned lives rather than chasing unicorns. These new ones are just FDS-Lite.

it also annoys pedophiles to be called out for creeping. Doesn't mean that's not what's happening so who gives a shit?"

Injecting buzzwords in order to evoke an emotional response to discombobulate and deflect attention away from the argument is yet another tired old feminist tactic. Pedophiles are a non-sequitur from the topic here. You clearly threw that in just to rattle sensibilities. Getting back to the actual claim: It does in fact mean that when young men are telling you that something is not the problem it means it is not the problem. Men are angry at women's antics only when they experience it for themselves. Only women can convince men to go their own separate way. That is why MGTOW does not recruit, we just watch them arrive.

"It is clearly grooming. Men who lead male spaces to actually help men don't spend 98% of time and resources creating an imaginary boogyman out of women just to enable losers to avoid accountability at all costs."

Exactly how is this grooming? How is it happening? What is the message? Who is preaching it? Who is rallying? Where is the credo? Who are these men leading male spaces? Last I checked MGTOW is notorious for booing pretentious bozos off the stage and not playing well with others.

Attempting to organize a "MGTOW Collective" is as hilarious as attempting to herd cats. We simply do not comply! We give the finger to each other as much as we give it to society.

Creating imaginary boogeymen out of women? Oh you mean like this, or this? Proclaiming The End of Men? Or the endless barrage of unsubstantiated anti-male claims? Oh Wait! That's not men inventing some sort of boogeyman out of women! That is women actually organizing themselves into political groups with a mass of resources at their disposal in academia, business, and government to undermine, vilify, insult, degrade, and instigate a pervasive sense of existential threats against young boys through mass emotional manipulation in the media, in schools, at our jobs, on the internet, and even in our entertainment (Woketivism and Identity Politics).

Men are not making boogeymen out of women, it is organized feminists who are instigating a gender war against all men, and specifically targeting the most vulnerable ones, the young!

Men with no purpose are easy to manipulate and corral into an active army offline and on.

Men with no purpose do not thirstily seek to join their nearest cult. They are retreating into a hedonistic life of video games, sex, porn, and all manner of thrills while subscribing to no one's ideology. Again... we are talking about herding cats here.

It has a lot to do with the lack of emotional intelligence due to prioritizing performative masculinity over authentic living. And for what? Pussy."

It has more to do with the fact that the damage is inflicted on boys when they are still children as I explained above. Feminists do not target grown men, they go after us when we are young and can't fight back and have no emotional tools to even understand why we feel so much rage at their existential threats. This leads to generations of men growing up angry and all their anger directed at the only instigator they ever knew. This isn't hard to figure out. Of course a boy is going to be emotionally underdeveloped when he is 12. That is where the feminist psychological abuse and pervasive infliction of existential stress on boys begins and it never lets up. It started when I was a kid, now I am in my 30's and it has only gotten a hell of a lot worse - except I am not a boy anymore and have the intellectual tools and psychological maturity to defend myself against feminists and can call out their bullshit.

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I have never had anyone pick on me. Not even as a kid.

And I agree. Reddit is going to cover it's own ass just like any business. It will throw anyone overboard or under the bus if it feels bad publicity or a lawsuit in the wind.

Feminists are most definitely the problem. All it takes is 5 minutes on Google to see why. I will not preach, I would prefer that you see it for yourself and make up your own mind about that matter.

As far as guys having places to hang out and vent, we are nothing if not resourceful when it comes to such matters. If we want to hang our and talk freely we will always figure out a way to do it.

As for feds in the Manosphere I suspect they are probably having both a chuckle and a stroke at the stuff they will see there.

That reminds me...

To my Friendly Neighborhood FBI Agent: I left you funny meme in my work files.

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Well, MGTOW did get quarantined the day after sentencing guidelines showed Christopher Hasson posted there."

Like you said, that was just reddit covering it's own ass. Do you seriously think that just because some loser posted something on a subreddit that it automatically makes that subreddit "extremist?"

Unfortunately the idea and moniker of MGTOW attracts a lot of creeps, losers, and general incel scum who scuttle into our spaces like cockroaches and infest our hanging spots with their diatribe and pretend to be going their own way in order to cover up that they got sent their own way.

MGTOW is the antithesis of incels. We are the polar opposite of those maladjusted creeps. Where they blame, we own up. Where they rant, we dialogue. Where they rage we remain stoic. MGTOW is a world view whose core tenet is self-actualization. In fact, men first become obsessed with improving themselves and with the pursuit of knowledge and self mastery before they realize they are going their own way and unplugging from the societal machine that grinds them away like disposable cogs.

When reddit shut down the incel and alt-right subs those animals migrated to our MGTOW subreddit and we all know how that turned out. I was one of many who were banned when we called out the incels and their BS but we suspect one of the mods was an incel sympathizer and was banning rational minded men who wanted to take the dialogue back to rational waters. That is why MGTOW2 was created and the mods kept it in check and focused on the original MGTOW spirit, and then it got banned along with the original one with no justification.

What am I supposed to google?"

How feminism is an organized anti-masculine anti-male movement.

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Keto and intermittent fasting is a cheat code, even for those who have a hard time losing weight. Your hunger levels and cravings will drop hard and it will melt off like a dream super quick. Trust me, I have no patience for anything. This is the way. The only thing faster is extended fasting.

Plus cooking gorgeous super delicious meals for yourself that you can enjoy during your window is fun. Also you gain a new appreciation for super fresh food and you can taste the inferiority of synthetic shit.

Keto + OMAD + Lift. Gamify it to eliminate boredom. When you are succeed, you are welcome, please send TPP donations in lieu of gifts and first born.

😌

Edit: dont be fat. keep your potatoes if you like being hungry and having hormones cuck you with cravings all day. Drop them for superior hormonal control that makes u need to set alarms to remember to eat. You can have them back in a month, two months top

Good luck

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Oh what are all the health affects of 6”9? yeah I don’t have data on who would get more matches 5”6 or 6”9. But this tall guy said a lot of women didn’t enjoy having sex with him due to the height differences and it broke off many relationships

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That’s interesting, why aren’t girls attracted to 6”9? Do you think it’s a biology response? Knowing that your partner isn’t ideally healthy ??

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That is true, his dad was 6”9 also and died at 79 😯

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But there are people in The world who are 6”9 who also struggle with girls. Cut off for height I think is 6”5 that’s when it starts to become too tall

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Inceldom is a cultural failure just as much as a personal one.

Whose culture?

When ***** women were regularly paraded in news media for having such low rates of marriage and low prospects, being tragic single mothers, it became a "hilarious" internet meme that no one thought mattered.

When ***** men hit the headlines for being least desirable with these emasculating untrue messaging and claims of smallest penis, it too was "hilarious". With the manosphere using this to push men to fly to those countries to sleep with underage girls, cheap prostitutes, and foreign brides. They openly pushed the narrative that their race would give them leverage to exploit.

Where was all the belly aching about the loneliness of these people?

The culture didn't give a single shit and never helped. Those groups had to advocate for themselves and leverage every available tool to create new narratives and lifestyles which resulted in more sexual success and admiration.

Now that it's these dudes, the very people who perpetuated those stereotypes and made people's lives hell, it's a problem?

Imagine giving a single fuck about the plight of "incels". Is there a reason this is a crisis only when it affects a certain percentage of a certain group

Refusing to run Beta Buxx game is a choice.

Complaining about stigma without using the massive reach of the male network online to create better PR is a choice.

Nobody is willing to stick their neck out for young struggling boys

The manosphere advocates on behalf of deadbeat dads, the end of marriage and protections, abuse of single mothers instead of the promotion of fathers and father figures

They humiliate guys who step up and call them simps.

Men don't give a fuck about men and they think they're going to troll women into doing the work only to turn around and shit on single moms for "not raising boys the way a man would". After all WHO is the culture? It's women and who?

Meanwhile, pick mes are quietly reaching out and sympathizing all the time only to get roasted time and time again

It's not like you even need everyone to get something going. Just a sincere smallish group of men can help change things so long as other men respect them.

The only groups that are trying to do something are men yall call soy boys so what else is there to do?

I keep saying yall should study what successful ***** women and ***** Men do to understand what it is to persevere and thrive in a shitty society who will never support you but ok. Yall be easy

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It's explained in more depth in the article.

Basically sperm and T are intrinsically tied together. Low one means low the other. So while the article focuses primarily on low sperm count, the same issues/problems also cause low T, and vice versa.

Many of the traits women find attractive in men are affected by testosterone. Wide shoulders, big muscles, height, jaw line, etc... all proxy T indicators. More T = more women (tons of studies have shown this). Young boys today have ~40% less T than their grandfathers did at the same age. It should then come as no surprise that women find them less attractive.

Also many of the compounds that reduce T in men, increase or alter estrogen in women, possibly (though this is speculation on my part, take it with a grain of salt) a cause for the increase in breast/ass size we see in modern women.

So while women are getting 'sexier', men are getting uglier.

It's not just 'internet and porn'... there were sedentary people in the past, there were fat people, what we're seeing now is different. The boys today are physically, measurably, different than men born decades ago.

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Younger women: We don’t like you unless you have money and younger men are actually cute to us

Me: I doubt PPD women are in any way normal women. I'm not a normal guy. Normal people don't hang out here.

Edit: I also don't think you see how this can work. I'm well off and established. If I approached a woman half my age (25) her first instinct is probably not "Lets fuck!". What would happen is yes my money and status might get her to go on a date. Thats where game and such starts to work too. "Maybe he's not too old", "I don't like most older men but he's not bad", this turns into "Ok but just this one time!" to "I think I'm in love".

Now where guys fail is not seeing the sociopath type who is using them just for money. Guys can be pretty blind to this, especially if they are inexperienced or lack that sort of empathy that lets you read people.

Not all women, but a hell of a lot more women are open to this than men. I mentioned earlier my wife as into a guy almost twice her age when she was 18 but too shy to let him know. I at that age would have been utterly disgusted by a 30 year old woman. She wouldn't even register.

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Do people still not understand that reddit does not care about social justice or being fair but what will give them bad press? Manosphere subreddits like incels, mgtow etc were only banned because they gave reddit bad press after their members commmitted or attempted to commit terrorist attacks. All incel related subs (including femcel) were only banned after the incel Toronto van attacker was sentenced to jail recently and several other incel related mass shootings took place. Mgtow was only quarantined and eventually banned after a member of their sub was arrested by the fbi for planning to kill a bunch of people. Reddit only cracked down on racist subs after the George Floyd murder. Plenty of manosphere subs like whereallthegoodmen or pussypassdenied still exist and have not been quarantined so why should Fds? Until FDS members start committing terrorist attacks and mass shootings, reddit has no need to ban them.

Besides as someone who posted on vindicta your characterization of the sub is so far off. People hardly talked about men, most of the post were focused on self improving on looks. People found it weird we borrowed terminology from lookism forums and there were multiple talks about changing that. Just take a look at the subreddit splendida the replacement subreddit of vindicta after it was deleted by the creator because of some drama. How many post do you see about hating men?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Splendida/

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I'm not talking about vindicta specifically, it's just all part of a larger fucked up sphere like the manosphere is. There is huge overlap between those who post on looksmaxxing sites and incel/femcel or gender-centric forums that bitch about the opposite sex. And I stand by the fact that the standards are often white-centered and white worshipping (angel vs witch skull, anyone?), even if they don't know it. Just like people like to defend femcel spaces, incels like to say their communities are diverse and filled with guys from all backgrounds and races. Doesn't change the fact that they are toxic as fuck and pedestalize eurocentric ideals - in fact it's all the more sad that so many minorities are on their bandwagon. Femcels have also co-opted and come up with their own ridiculous terms like scrote or moid as if somehow the incel terminologies are anything worth emulating.

Agree with you on the bad press and a very reactive society though. We only ban and take action after awful shit happens and money is on the line for companies and corporate entities.

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Prime example of male redditors playing victim and lying through their teeth when objective truth is one click away.

Glowup and vindicta are the female counterparts of the shitty looksmaxxing incel subs and they all share the same flaws, being hateful and bitter toward the opp sex, being deluded about standards and fixating over individual featuress, not being able to rate for shit as a result, having a very eurocentric ideal and just overall being toxic in general, esp toward non-whites;

/r/TheGlowUp

Sub created by a black woman with a mixed team of mods.

Sub features both men and women posting for advice, no ratings allowed, only constructive criticism welcoming people of all races

The difference being the femcel subs are given much more lenience and places like FDS aren't banned.

The absolute audacity to say this after yet another man from manosphere murder 5 innocent people. With national news, media, and screenshots capturing over 10 years of the manosphere celebrating and cheering for abuse and even illegal acts so long as it hurt women and they got sex.

In contrast to two female-only subs that have none of this, no felons born from them, no calls for violence. "Oh no, mean words and no sex? These toxic terrorists!"

Mean words matter now? Femcels didn't even have a fourth of the energy you see in FDS but yet men are maimed by both?

All this tells me is how you feel about being a man.

Good.

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What's his name

EDIT: Are you talking about Jake Davison, out of Plymouth UK? Did he post at Mensrights and PPD? Under what username? Source? Evidence? Factual basis? He talked about "inc * ls" in some video. You people do understand that "incel" is not a manosphere creation and that the manosphere did not create that term, right? You do understand that "incel" is tossed about by literally anyone looking to insult men. You do know that, right? You do know that someone using the word "inc * l" does NOT necessarily mean they even know anything about the manosphere?

Is it now the case that any disgruntled, disaffected man who has trouble meeting girls and then snaps and kills someone is going to be met with shrieks of "SEE! SEE!!!! He must be one of those eeeevil manosphere guys! He must be an eeeevil inc * l! He must be a bad man!!!"? Is that what we have come to? No one is responsible for anything anymore?

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Looks like he got filler in his jawline. I actually had it done last year, it lifts up the face preventing the droop neck and jowl look. It is pretty unpleasant as far as injections oh as they have to use a cannula for the needle and it takes a while, my aesthetician accidentally brushed or picked a nerve and it hurt for a while.

Also, he may have had jaw correction surgery, and asked them to give him a little “extra” Kind of like plastic surgeons will do when straightening a deviated septum.

He’s still swollen from whatever he’s done and it’s going to relax and look more natural eventually. But comparing that photo with pictures of him when he was very young or with a beard is not really accurate. I want to see him bare faced a year ago, I can then better ascertain what happened. Either way he’s still hot and he’s had procedures before so I don’t see what the big deal is.

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Yes. A little bit of a baby face is actually really nice. Youthful + masculine is probably the best combination if you’re a man in his 20s and early 30s.

I think Zac Efron had BDD, so he couldn’t see himself objectively.

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I want to start saying “I’m too young for you” when an older man approaches me.

I’ve only done it once to this greasy post-wall mid-30s dude when I was a younger and in college, and I still remember the sheepish look on his face. We need to start age-shaming predatory men.

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That’s wrong too. It’s just not common and no woman in PPD is ever trying to defend that.

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Are you trying to go into a whole debate about how older does or does not equal predatory?

To me, it’s predatory if the age gap stretches too far without any sense of equality. Maybe it isn’t to other men, but they may be looking at it from a self-serving position. IMO a dude like that should just go on seeking arrangement where younger women actually want to be with dumpy old guys.

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Old article but I read this and thought it was funny. Apparently some study showed data that the more feminine a women is, the more children she wants. Some ass blasted bitch over at the high brow periodical Scientific America has an absolute meltdown over it. She literally writes unironically in ALL CAPS expressing her sourness caused by research she doesn't like. The way she concludes is rather fitting.

It can be of value scientifically...but I don't want it to apply to ME. I know it might be science, but I also find it more than a bit insulting.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/scicurious-brain/the-more-feminine-you-look-the-more-children-you-want-it-must-be-science/

A guest blogger on the site who goes by the pen name of "scicurious". You know, like bi-curious, but for science.

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There definitely was a huge problem in Italy and New York in the beginning.

So many people were intubated and dying that they ran out of room to keep dead bodies. Now this didn't happen everywhere but COVID is more deadly than the flu and spreads faster due to asymptomatic carriers.

As for the vaccine, mRNA was being developed since 2013. So when people say vaccines need about 10 years for development post-discovery, that was the discovery point. All they needed was the genetic map of this specific strain, which China provided in January, to complete the vaccine.

These vaccine clinical trials for the COVID vaccine are magnitudes bigger than traditional ones. 46,000 people participated for Pfizer alone vs a normal clincial trial of 100 or so.

Now I just wonder where your fear comes from about it. Have you seen cases where a vaccine does more harm to people than the virus itself? What do you think this particular vaccine could do to you that is worse than COVID?

I don't even deny that some people have had physical problems due to the COVID vaccine itself. Like heart inflammation. However:

In total, that's approximately 12.6 heart inflammation cases per million doses administered in the United States.

And have you yourself ever consumed any drugs or substances that have the risk of killing people? Any prescription drugs, over the counter, anesthesia, hard drugs, alcohol? The way I see it, people accept the risks of putting stuff into their bodies knowing that the benefits outweigh the risks. You know whether or not you have a pre-existing condition, and often times that is what causes the most adverse reactions to drugs and vaccines.

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So many people were intubated and dying that they ran out of room to keep dead bodies.

This is just media hysteria. Population numbers didn't budge. If millions were dying it would be clear.

What did cause a lot of deaths were the lockdowns themselves. Far more than COVID.

Now I just wonder where your fear comes from about it. Have you seen cases where a vaccine does more harm to people than the virus itself? What do you think this particular vaccine could do to you that is worse than COVID?

80% chance of spontaneous abortion if administered in the first two trimesters (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8117969/)... but no worries we didn't want those babies anyways.

Also the media happily ignores the fact that Ivermectin, and Vitamin D, have proven to be HIGHLY effective in treating COVID (and neither cause the side effects we are seeing with the vaccine).

And have you yourself ever consumed any drugs or substances that have the risk of killing people? Any prescription drugs, over the counter, anesthesia, hard drugs, alcohol? The way I see it, people accept the risks of putting stuff into their bodies knowing that the benefits outweigh the risks.

Every medical procedure and drug has a risk/reward ratio. So while it is smart for old people to get the vaccine (highest reward, least risk), pushing it on young adults and children is unethical.

And forcing medical procedures on people... well that's as Orwellian as you can get. But I guess 'my body my choice' no longer applies?

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Now there's an entire group of pregnant women who are unable to get the vaccine that you, a willfully unvaxxed person, are now putting at risk.

No... it's still being pushed on them. So no worries, they'll get the vaccine whether they want to or not.

The funny part is, you should be completely outraged at those numbers. Livid... but instead of focusing on the real problem: cowardly politicians, greedy corporate CEOs, and the sensationalist MSM, all which are actively contributing to millions of deaths. No, instead you think that some random person on the internet posting facts is the problem...

And this is why the world is fucked, because sheeple have no capacity to think for themselves. Far worse than the coronavirus, was the revelation that the media could say anything they want, and people won't even double check, or bother to think for themselves.

We've opened Pandora's box... there's no going back on this one.

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No, it's not over my head and this is not complex at all. This isn't nuanced or "complex" or difficult. This is difficult only in the minds of liberal radfems who want coddling and want me to pay for their fuckups.

If you don't want to fuck the guy, then DO NOT FUCK HIM.

If you don't want to fuck the guy but then go ahead and fuck him anyway, THAT IS ON YOU.

If you're a big enough girl to decide to fuck, you're a big enough girl to decide not to fuck. Either way, IT'S ON YOU.

If you're 18 and you don't want to fuck a 35 year old guy, then DO NOT FUCK HIM.

If you're 18 and you don't want a relationship with a 35 year old guy, DO NOT GO OUT WITH HIM.

See how easy this is? You decide; you live with the consequences. Don't come to me and demand that I pay for your fuckups. YOU pay for YOUR OWN fuckups.

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This is, very specifically, as directly and clearly stated, about relationships in which a younger women is being exploited by an older man for his sexual gain, when he has no respect her as anything more than a glorified sex toy.

As I have said no less than 4 times:

Then do not have sex with the man.

DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH THE MAN.

Do. Not. Have. Sex. With. The. Man.

If the sex is happening, it is because she chooses it. If the exploitation is happening, she is choosing to be exploited. If he does not respect her, she is choosing to be disrespected.

That is on HER. Because, as women are so fond of reminding us, women are the ones who decide what men get sex, how, when and where, and under what circumstances.

If sex is happening, it is because women are choosing it.

If younger women are having sex with older men, it is because women are choosing it.

And she is an adult and can freely, voluntarily, and knowingly choose it.

So if this is happening, then it is 100% women's fault. ALL of it is ON YOU. YOU. Not men. YOU.

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No. It's not too simplistic. I'm presenting this simply, because it is simple. As in uncomplicated. As in not difficult to understand.

It is YOU who is way, way overcomplicating this.

I didn't say anything did, or did not, exist. Now YOU are the one misrepresenting and misunderstanding the positions here. What I actually said was that to avoid "exploitation", simply choose not to have sex with the man who presents the danger of exploitation. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

What you're essentially demanding is that men coddle and protect young women, and relieve them of the responsibility of their decisions.

Either you're an adult, or you're not. If you are, then fucking suck it up and learn to bear up under manipulation. Learn how to live in the real world. Learn how to resist pressure and how to deal with assholes.

If you're not, then stay with mom and dad until you can, and don't have sex with anyone.

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They're born from regretting we ourselves got involved with them.

I am sorry but no. Its still jealousy, sour grapes, crab in the bucket mentality, and general instinct from women to have options to satiate female hypergamy instincts. Women absolutely HATE it when men have options. They want men their age to suck it up and deal with their alpha widowed bullshit and general pessimistic view on sex. hey, its not my fault that you got abused by chads and that cock carousel changed you for worse. I am not your "retirement home."

Unless its your CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER, its not 100% altruism. (We can definitely argue what % of it is altruistic for stranger's well being, but that's for another day)

Post wall women complaining about age gap have direct conflict of interest.

Men defending predatory age gap

Calling it "predatory" is stupid because you hate the fact that women are considered "equal." and are willing to face the responsibilities and consequences that come with being an equal in this society.

You want all the benefits of equality but none of the responsibilities of equality. Like man-bear-pig, you and many women in this sub are desperately trying to pick/choose what kind of equality you want and keep traditional benefits women experienced in the past all at the same time.

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OK. Let's take your argument to its logical conclusion.

If 18 year old women cannot consent to sex with adult men, then:

--the statutory rape age must be raised. To what? 21? 25? 30?

--it must be declared illegal for women to have sex until they pass the statutory minimum age.

--until women reach that age, they are to be remanded to the care of their parent(s).

--until women reach that age, they must be chaperoned. Locations where they live "alone" must have in loco parentis privileges to regulate, oversee, supervise, and discipline these women, and to keep men away from them as a parent would.

--women have no privileges, and have no responsibilities either. Whatever money they earn is the property of their parents until they marry; and then when they do marry it's the property of their husbands.

--until women reach said age of majority, they cannot

vote

own property

drive

obtain credit

live alone

enter into contracts

drink

use tobacco

use marijuana

be alone in public

So. That's the logical conclusion of your argument. You good with that? If girls can't legally fuck, they can't legally do ANYTHING. That's what you want, right?

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Yes you did. This:

Men defending predatory age gap relationships with very young women will attempt to invalidate the points older women make about them, as though those same older women haven't literally had 1st hand experience of the same kinds of men when they were younger.

Conclusions made via lived experience with these men aren't born from jealousy or wishing we could go back to being taken advantage of or exploited all over again. They're born from regretting we ourselves got involved with them.

Is the following argument:

Men are BAD for wanting sex with younger women. Older man/younger woman sexual relationships are inherently always exploitative. Older women talk about this but men defend them and that makes those men disgusting perverts. Men need to be stopped from having these exploitative relationships with women, and the way we need to do that is to shame and browbeat men into submission.

It is men's fault that these relationships happen; women are never ever responsible for getting into such relationships with older men. If a woman is in such a relationship with an older man, it is because she was coerced and forced into it; and she's being used and exploited. This is always and forever men's fault; men bear all the responsibility for it; and women are always the perpetual victims.

THAT is the argument you're essentially making here.

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If you are an 18 year old woman, you're an adult who can make your own sexual decisions - including a decision to sleep with, or not sleep with, any man of any age.

Look - women who have reached the age of majority either are fully functioning sexually autonomous adults, or they are not. If they are (as all women in the US screech every day), then there's nothing more to say about this. If they are not, then TRP is right, women should not be allowed to choose, women are just overgrown children, and they should be relegated to the care of their fathers until their fathers choose their husbands.

Ladies: You don't get to have it both ways. If you want all the benefits of sexual adulthood, you must take on the responsibilities of said adulthood. If you want the protections of children, you must give up the benefits of adulthood.

Make a decision. Choose. NOW. Speak now, or forever hold your peace.

The end. /thread

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a 40-year-old using sexual coercion

Stop right there. That's unmitigated bullshit right there.

The only illegal coercion would be brute physical force. That's rape. That's illegal.

Nothing else is coercion when we're talking about 18 year olds.

Psychological pressure is not coercion. Mental or emotional pressure is not coercion.

Even verbal or emotional abuse is not coercion because it's not illegal to verbally or emotionally abuse someone. (Women do this ALL THE TIME to men - if verbal or emotional abuse were illegal, every woman over the age of 15 would have a rap sheet)

The ONLY kind of coercion that's illegal here is brute physical force or deadly weapon force. Everything else is fair game. Unless something actually illegal is going on, there's nothing to intervene about here and it is NOT, repeat NOT, "sexual assault".

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No, none of those things are illegal. They might be shitty. They might be indicative of poor character. But they are NOT illegal.

It's not illegal to ply a legal adult with alcohol or drugs when said legal adult is FULLY AWARE they are ingesting alcohol and drugs BY THEIR OWN CHOICE.

The only illegal threat is "have sex with me or I will beat you up or shoot you" coupled with the actual and apparent ability and intent to carry out the threat. Which is never done. The "threats" women usually complain of here are "have sex with me or I won't love you anymore" or "have sex with me or I'm leaving" or "Have sex with me or I'll just go fuck one of your friends" or "have sex with me or I will not date you anymore" or "have sex with me or I'm breaking up with you". Those are NOT illegal. Saying things like this to a young woman is NOT illegal.

It's not illegal to manipulate a woman into bed. Fuck, if we men didn't manipulate you we'd NEVER get laid - how the fuck do you think most men get laid?

It's not illegal to keep pushing on after getting "no" repeatedly.

The ONLY things that are illegal are the use of brute physical force, deadly weapon force, or drugging someone without their knowledge to the point of incapacitation and inability to consent.

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It's not illegal to ply a legal adult with alcohol or drugs when said legal adult is FULLY AWARE they are ingesting alcohol and drugs BY THEIR OWN CHOICE.

Yes, but pressuring someone to keep drinking or taking a drug with the intent to get them too intoxicated to consent (when the other party is likely not nearly as intoxicated as the other) IS coercion.

The only illegal threat is "have sex with me or I will beat you up or shoot you" coupled with the actual and apparent ability to carry out the threat. Which is never done.

ANY threat someone uses to have sex with someone IS coercion, regardless of its legality.

It's not illegal to keep pushing on after getting "no" repeatedly.

Saying "no" ends any consent right there. Continuing after that is literally assault. Even if they finally let it happen after saying no because the person isn't stopping, it's still coercion.

It's not illegal to manipulate a woman into bed. Fuck, if we men didn't manipulate you we'd NEVER get laid - how the fuck do you think most men get laid?

You can manipulate a situation to your advantage without doing it in a misleading or unethical manner.

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Yes, but pressuring someone to keep drinking or taking a drug with the intent to get them too intoxicated to consent (when the other party is likely not nearly as intoxicated as the other) IS coercion.

It might be coercion, but it is not ILLEGAL coercion.

ANY threat someone uses to have sex with someone IS coercion, regardless of its legality.

So what? If you feel threatened by "hurr durr if you will not fuck me I'm going to break up with you", you really should not be dating at all.

Saying "no" ends any consent right there. Continuing after that is literally assault.

No it is not; and even if it is, then get up and walk away. No one is making you stay there.

Even if they finally let it happen after saying no because the person isn't stopping, it's still coercion.

Even if it is, it's not ILLEGAL coercion.

Anyone who can't stand up to pressure and coercion has no business dating or being alone with the opposite sex. All of life involves pressure and coercion. Absolutely NONE of what you're complaining about is illegal. It might be coercive. So what? Lots of things are coercive, some of it oppressively so. Big deal. You need to learn to deal with pressure and coercion and you need to learn to bear up under it and resist it.

Everyone needs to grow the fuck up and pay attention and take responsibility for themselves.

It is NOT my responsibility to refrain from coercion. It is YOUR responsibility to bear up under and resist coercion, and to walk away from it.

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If you had an 18 year old daughter you wouldn't want her fucking around with some 40 year old because you know all he's doing is wasting her time and potentially giving her some kind of anxiety to deal with in the future.

Heh. You don't get to play this card with me. Unlike you, I actually have experience with this. I've actually been through "18 year old adult making disastrously dumb decisions and Dad requiring that she bear the consequences while she weeps and gnashes her teeth".

I had an 18 year old daughter who is now 21. No, I didn't want her fucking a 40 year old guy. But if she had, it would be her decision and there would be not one damn thing I could do to stop it. Nor would I. It's her body. Her body, her choice. Right? RIGHT??? Isn't that what you liberal radfems keep telling me?

If it's her choice, she has to live with whatever the consequences are. Because those are the rules YOU WOMEN fought for and won. Congrats - you fought hard for the right to fuck like men. Now you get the right to suffer like women for it - ON YOUR DIME and ON YOUR TIME.

If you're old enough to decide to fuck a 40 year old guy, you're old enough to bear the consequences of those decisions.

You are always going to argue on behalf of men using and discarding young women because that's your imperitive.

No, if you'll read more closely, I want young women to get what they want. I want young women to have whatever they want.

But I demand that when you get what you want, you must also bear all the negative consequences that go along with the decisions you freely, knowingly, and voluntarily made.

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very young women will attempt to invalidate the points older women make about them, as though those same older women haven't literally had 1st hand experience of the same kinds of men when they were younger.

On the flip side a former friend of mine (lost touch several years ago) bragged to me about how she seduced a friend of her fathers to give him a BJ, at 13.....

She would be a good example of awalt too in that she married her beta and was having an affair with a guy, and then tried to branch swing but he wouldn't leave his wife.

There comes a point where it gets a bit strained to complain and compare.

I recall when Milo Yiannopoulos go canceled for this (it was more political than outrage). He was abused as a child sexually but said it wasn't the worst thing that can happen, and that its common in the gay community.

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If you're vulnerable, then you should not be having sex with anyone.

If you can't bear the consequences of your decisions, then you should not be permitted to make those decisions.

It is not my fault, or men's fault, that you could not make healthy decisions.

It is not my fault, or men's fault, that you had an "unhealthy" age gap relationship.

It is not my fault, or men's fault, that you couldn't read or determine appropriate attraction.

If you are a legal adult but you judge yourself not fully mature enough to have healthy sexual relationships, and you go ahead and decide to have sex anyway, and an older man "takes advantage" of that, oh well. Too bad, so sad.

These are all YOU problems. These are all woman problems. These are all a result of decisions YOU, and YOU ALONE, freely, knowingly, and voluntarily made.

You are the only one here who is responsible for your "unhealthy age gap relationship". Not men. Not your mommy or daddy. Not the man you had the relationship with. Certainly not me.

YOU. This is ON YOU. 100% squarely YOUR FAULT.

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I've never understood these arguments because like... we already do understand that young adults are easy to take advantage of in general, and encourage them to seek advice from older adults on big life decisions like that? If you're under 25 and have a good relationship with your parents or another older adult role model, you probably will actually ask their opinion before buying a car or accepting a job offer. No one thinks it's infantilizing to say that an unscrupulous boss knows that a 20-year-old is easier to take advantage of than a 30-year-old. And people talk all the time about how military recruiting and college loans are predatory because 18-year-olds are too naive to understand the long-term consequences.

It's apparently only in the specific case of older men dating younger women that it's suddenly "infantilizing" or "just jealous older women" to think that young people are naive and easy to take advantage of.

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It's apparently only in the specific case of older men dating younger women that it's suddenly "infantilizing" or "just jealous older women" to think that young people are naive and easy to take advantage of.

Quite the opposite. Any attempt to point out that female behavior might be disadvantageous to them, is attacked by feminists/women. They'll claim you're 'slut shaming' and 'that women aren't children and can make up their mind', and talk about oppression and subjugation by the patriarchy... etc...

But as soon as we get to personal responsibility for those same choices they so vocally championed, now all we hear is 'men are predatory' and 'she's too young to make a proper decision' and 'it's grooming'.

As has been said/pointed out time and time again. Whether we're talking legal repercussions, or cultural norms, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Responsibility goes hand in hand with freedom.

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The older I get, the more territorial I get for women and girls, particularly their safety. I don't know what I'm going to be like once I hit my thirties, probably way worse. It's just that I am now so painfully aware as I continue to mature what all these scams are and how absolutely sure I was of myself as a girl. Trusting and naive af. I don't know how I stayed alive this long bumbling through the world like that tbh. And I wasn't even beautiful. A little bit of kindness and manipulation will get an older man far and it's terrifying. You ever just walk around and get bitch slapped by a realization from the past? A cringe? A face palm?

These plague me and I wasn't even out there like that. I was super sheltered and grown men were still creeping and saying what I now know to be pedophilic, predatory, and even outright illegal things. Doesn't help when I walked in on a conversation between men discussing grooming, how to do it, how to spot insecurity with stunning accuracy. It made my blood run cold and I'll never forget it.

So the tactic "haha only ugly old women who are jealous say this" is just more manipulation. It will work on women who fear being unattractive to derelicts but not on anyone who genuinely care about female wellbeing.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
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Date	August 16, 2021 10:00 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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