Do women ever really love men?

DesignerDebates · 2018-11-30T06:34:47+00:00

This has been tagged as CMV and all top level responses must attempt to change OPs view.

OP, you must at least give the appearance that your view can be changed or this post will be removed.

SweeterPickles · 2018-11-30T04:16:07+00:00

This is all based on a lot of assumption. You’re reading into a lot of myths.

HossMcDank · 2018-11-30T04:00:39+00:00

I think what you're noticing is a combination of two things:

1) Women on average have significantly more options than men.

2) The illusion of unconditional love from anyone but family.

As for point 1, there's more incentive for men to stay in a relationship than women if they're both unsatisfied. A woman who isn't obese, elderly or a disheveled drug addict knows that she can leave and still be showered with attention. An average-looking, middle class man knows that he'll have to endure a lot of rejection in finding the small % of women that would give him the time of day. So the man is more likely to stay in a less-than-perfect relationship than take the risk of being alone forever.

Point 2 may sound misanthropic, but it's true. The only people who will love you unconditionally are your parents, and maybe siblings. Children as well if you do a good job. Even in these cases, the condition for love is that you are their child/sibling/parent. When it comes to romantic love, people fall for one another because of certain conditions -- otherwise that love wouldn't exist, and it will often dissipate when the conditions are removed.

Shallow affection is definitely not something exclusive to women -- when my best friend's grandmother died, his grandfather had a new girlfriend 6 months later.

panzershark · 2018-11-30T07:36:03+00:00

How do you account for couples who have no children? Couples where both parties work?

But to momentarily attach yourself to a person on the condition that they provide benefits to your life.... this is not "love" in any sense of the word.

This is a bit silly. Of course you fall in love with someone who brings positivity to your life. Men wouldn't fall in love with someone who won't fuck them or someone who doesn't look pretty for them.

Wandos7 · 2018-11-30T03:16:00+00:00

she will enter the craved female submissive state of admiration for him, what we would see as "love".

Submission =/= love. You can be submissive to your boss, but that doesn't mean you love them.

Littleknownfacts · 2018-11-30T03:39:29+00:00

If you want to see what true love from a woman looks like, you look at how she feels with her kids. But her "love" for a man does not come anywhere near this. What she loves from the man is his ability to give a good live for the people she really loves: her kids.

Are you effing me? When women love men like they love children (and they do), they get called nagging harpy control freaks. Watch how women love their children, they feed them and cloth them and kiss their boo boos. You know what they don't do for their kids? Fuck them. Women don't love men like they love their children because men by and large, don't want to be loved like a mother loves her children. When wives love their husbands like that they nag you to drink less and dress nicer and brush your teeth and put down that pizza have a peice of vegan "chicken" wing instead. Guys think this shit is annoying as fuck.

Barely-moral · 2018-11-30T03:12:51+00:00

If you define "love" as the kind of love that a woman has for her kids. Then no. Of course not.

You can accept it and be happy about it or be miserable. Take your pick.

vitringur · 2018-11-30T09:52:39+00:00

Does anybody really love anyone? What does love even mean?

Do you really love? Are you sure that what you consider your own love is the same as other mean when they talk about love? Do you know if it is the same feelings?

You have way bigger and deeper questions to ask before you start fishing for some vague answers to fit a narrative that somehow claims that in general all women are incapable and excluded from a special kind of girly feeling you call love.

As if love isn't volatile for men and for women.

And why the fuck do you expect a woman's romantic love to be the same feeling as she has towards her children. That's just twisted.

You do realise that love is just a huge, vague umbrella term used to describe multiple different, individual and personal feelings that in some way or another contain a certain amount of caring for others, right?

You phrase this post like a genuine question, but then you just start repeating the same internet pseudo-psychological narrative of bloggers that specialise in feeding angry men confirmations that everything is women's fault, and that they are barely human and therefore they don't need to feel shame about treating them like shit and being rude assholes.

Edit: I love Lethal Weapon. You should see how I am when I watch Lethal Weapon. I clearly don't love fried chicken. But I do love fried chicken. But then again I clearly don't love my best friend, you should see me with fried chicken. But I do love my friends. But I clearly don't love my mom. You should see me around pussy because I love pussy. But how can that be true, when I actually love dogs?

Damn this is fun.

blackedoutfast · 2018-11-30T07:51:14+00:00

The only people women truly love are their kids. These weak, useless beings that need to be taken care of 24/7. THIS is what love means. To take care of such a being is truly "love".

women love children because being responsible for a child and feeling that their devoted attention and care is the only thing keeping a child alive gives their lives purpose and meaning.

but some adult men can trigger those same kinds of maternal instincts in women. unemployed surfer bros, drug addicts and dealers, gang members and criminals, adrenaline junkies with dangerous hobbies, etc. that's why women tend to fall so deeply in love with men like that.

yes, if you attract a woman by acting like a provider and giving her a good life, then obviously her continuing attraction and love for you is going to be contingent on you continuing to be a provider and giving her a certain lifestyle. if a woman marries you because you are rich, you shouldn't expect her to stick around if you lose all of your money. this is one of the big drawbacks to using betabucks game, but beta bucks game isn't the only game in town.

if you're a sexy alpha fucker, and you can build attraction and get women to fall in love with you without relying on the ability to provide, her love won't be contingent on you continuing to provide. and if a woman feels like you give her life purpose and meaning, then yes, she will absolutely love you.

dayoldpancake · 2018-11-30T07:43:38+00:00

Eh this is a very limited view to have. I’m financially independent and my OH moved into my home, wasn’t working when he did so (is now) has paid half the house payment and not much else. I pay mostly all the food shopping and we go half’s whenever we go out, on holiday etc. He’s never really paid for anything as I won’t let him. I love that man with every bone in my body and I say that as a mother. Please don’t speak for my entire gender.

songofmelancholy · 2018-11-30T03:15:27+00:00

women put up with so much shit with men, how can anyone say women don't love them?

Civil_Seaworthiness · 2018-11-30T03:28:58+00:00

Not all women truly love their kids. Many are terrible mothers. Many men make terrible fathers. Men and women alike are sometimes altruistic, sometimes egoistic, sometimes both within the same lifetime or the same relationship. Men and women alike are sometimes good partners, sometimes poor partners, and sometimes just the wrong fit for their partners despite their best efforts.

The attempt to apply the original post's analysis - 'some people don't love unconditionally... in fact, many people don't love unconditionally!' is misapplied to women. It's everyone. People have been taught to value different qualities/traits by gender, but just look at the male posters on this forum who would leave an otherwise perfect-seeming woman if they felt she had been more perfect with a different man in the past.

Not to hate on them in particular, but very little about romantic love is unconditional. I'd part ways with the boyfriend I love with every fiber of my being if he moved to Alaska to be a crab fisherman and wanted to do long distance, not seeing each other for likely a year... does that make my love for him sullied by its conditionality? I know for a fact that he feels the same, and if I were the one with the Alaska-fantasy, asking him to keep my bed warm from three thousand miles away and just wait for me to come back, he'd politely end the relationship in the same way that I would.

We're humans first, and lovers second, or third, or fourth... ad infinitum. Not even the 'best' mother loves unconditionally, because humans have intervening circumstances. They're hungry, they're tired, they need attention of their own, want love of their own. We're needy goddamn creatures, which is, among other things, fundamentally at odds with our desire to be altruistic.

LeJacquelope · 2018-11-30T03:33:45+00:00

We can love you like we love children, or we can love you like we love men. Men get fucked, children don't. It's up to you.

poppy_blu · 2018-11-30T03:09:14+00:00

Do women ever love whiny black pill misanthropic man children?

No

retardradical · 2018-11-30T03:32:25+00:00

Love is always conditional. Bet your ass if your girlfriend puts on 50 lbs this year love ain't gonna get you through.

"Waaahh I have to be a functioning member of society to fuck another functioning member of society :*(."

The misrepresentation of women as being high maintenance harpies who need to be wined and dined is stupid as fuck. You must never leave the house.

KikiYuyu · 2018-11-30T03:14:58+00:00

The title is a question, but everything about the text yet more broad generalizations stated with complete confidence. You already got at least one post I know of removed for incel content. You gonna learn your lesson or what?

You're not asking a question, you're like a preacher yelling the blackpill gospel at passersby.

beachredwhine · 2018-11-30T04:37:40+00:00

What is a man? What defines maleness?

I've been loved by women. Truly loved and supported. Monkey branching never even enters their thoughts. But they didn't love some bizarre mystical sense of "me", the me of some nothing ghost of potentiality. They loved my dreams. They loved my dreams, that I told them I had

So of course, many many years later, many many dreams later, I have love for my dream, a real dream.

And much love for all my other dreams as well.

What do you think love should mean? Sacrifice? Devotion? Determination?

I have had, and do have, this love. I have also had... Not the opposite. The antithesis. Nothing. I have had nothing. When I offered, nothing. No dream. No path. No plight.

Also kids are just vacuums? Wait until that baby, who stares at you all day long, stares at you and smiles. And giggles! Babbles at you to tell you all about his day on the teet, playing, sleeping, waking up and you are still there. And he just smiles and stares. Mom

You say a woman never loves a man? I say, what is a man? A body with a penis attached? Or a body with dreams, goals, and vision, who will take her somewhere to something? What do you fags say? Have a mission or something. In your ill planned ill thought out truly ill red pill? You guys are the illest.

A man is not defined by his body, that is a woman's curse and blessing. A man is what he does. That is your curse and your blessing. Allow a woman to love what you do, and love her for what she is.

Peter5930 · 2018-11-30T10:15:41+00:00

Of course they do. My gf's nuts about me and I'm barely earning anything and hardly ever take her places, she just adores me and gets really turned on by me. I guess it helps that I can fix stuff too. She's got a nearly-adult kid who doesn't really impact the relationship beyond being a mild inconvenience sometimes and I never feel like it's a competition for affection. She's not looking for anyone else and I have no fear of her cheating on me or branch swinging. She's 9 years older than me so I'm her hot boy toy and she'll scratch the eyes out of anyone who tries to steal me. Ours is a relationship built on getting stoned and having lots and lots of sex. Too much sex at times; I struggle to keep up.

jkonrad · 2018-11-30T10:47:55+00:00

Women don't treat me that way. Women don't treat my friends that way.

Must be you, chief. You're probably not very lovable, or interesting, or talented, or mature, or exciting, or confident. You probably whine to women about shit too, just like you're doing here. You probably offend easily and wallow in self-pity when you get the chance, like you're doing now.

And the RP guys who said all those things that you're trying to regurgitate here? Yeah, they have the same problems as you, and they try to rationalize away too, just like you're doing now. I mean, deep down inside, right now, doesn't it feel a little weird to be speaking enviously of the attention women give their children? Sometimes I just have to shake my head. You're envious of children, you're envious of ex boyfriends you've never even met. You'd probably give her vibrator an evil glare if you ever saw it. That's the thing about an inferiority complex... you can't pick and choose who or what you feel inferior to, unfortunately.

It's not the women. It's you.

You're not a man, yet. You may be past puberty, but you haven't matured. You don't know who you are. You're not at ease with yourself, the world, or your place in it. You haven't found your masculine side, else you wouldn't write things like this:

Female "love" is predicated upon the male continuously proving himself. Passing the shit tests. Proving his manhood. Being a provider. Giving her the life she dreams of. If a man succeeds in these areas, she will enter the craved female submissive state of admiration for him, what we would see as "love".

Passing a shit test does not make a woman submissive. Being a provider doesn't make a woman submissive. Giving her things doesn't make a woman submissive. Nor does submissiveness arise from admiration, nor is submissiveness seen as love.

Women love men in a much deeper way than their children. They can't fuck their children. They can't luxuriate in the strength that emanates from their toddler. They cannot be comforted by their 5 year-old. Her infant daughter won't give her the tingles.

It's you. And the guys you're trying to quote, it's them. You can run off and find more weak men to quote to explain why you're failing, or you can work on yourself. But you won't work on yourself. If you were going to, you would have done it by now. No... you're going to wallow in despair and self-pity the rest of your life, most likely.

There's lot of great info in TRP, but there's also a lot of weak men. Almost all of them are weak and don't have a strong sense of self either, just like you. I would recommend you find some men who have been men for years instead of minutes. Adopt their outlook, seek their advice.

It's you.

Here4thebeer3232 · 2018-11-30T03:34:34+00:00

These weak, useless beings that need to be taken care of 24/7.

Boy does this describe a lot of men out there.

yasee · 2018-11-30T09:22:56+00:00

how old are you?

EGOtyst · 2018-11-30T12:40:41+00:00

They do love men, just not you.

Million-Suns · 2018-11-30T13:04:37+00:00

The only people women truly love are their kids. These weak, useless beings that need to be taken care of 24/7

Women love their kids also because what they provide to them.

A sense of validation. Breeders even organize gender reveal parties, baby showers. They bring their babies to work to show them off.

Motherhood, also allows them to be SAHM and not have a proper job. On social media, it brings sympathy for their perpetual victim status: raising kids is so hard - like anybody forced them to breed - please be sensitive to my issues.

if you browse /r/childfree you will realize how women feel entitled because they spawned some crotch fruit.

And people dare to call that unconditional love? Good joke.

whatyoucallaflip · 2018-11-30T02:52:04+00:00

Temporarily

Uncommon_Sensed_1234 · 2018-11-30T08:45:43+00:00

You guys must have had great parents. Love theTRP bit about women loving their kids.

Lots of children are not loved unconditionally or at all by their parents.

TRP should take mothers off the pedestal too. It is society that dictates how motherhood is experienced and the role of mother. In another time and place unwanted kids were sold, killed, or left to die outdoors.

There is no such thing as love. A man loves a woman because of the way she makes him feel. A woman loves a man for the same reason.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2018-11-30T05:53:37+00:00

Yes. They can love intensively.

rathyAro · 2018-11-30T09:02:57+00:00

What is your point?

Szymmy · 2018-11-30T15:51:45+00:00

If you want to see how men love women ou just have to look at the likes of dan bilzerian and other men with options. Collect young hot girls to sleep with then upgrade them when they get too old.

Male love is predicated on you beingfor young and hot. As soon as that goes away, and it does men will be looking for a younger model.

Imagine if someone came into my life, adored me, fucked me, submitted to me andas then I upgraded her for the new model when I got bored. Would you say I loved that person?

Eartherry · 2018-11-30T05:59:45+00:00

Children need care. Men are capable of caring for themselves, and are therefore less of a priority. There's also the fact that children will grow to the point where they don't need care. But a man is never going to mature. What would I rather have, 24/7 for a maximum of 18 years or 24/7 for the rest of my life. Hmmm...

fatalcharm · 2018-11-30T08:11:02+00:00

You can't expect a woman to love a man like she loves her children, that is ridiculous. You also can't expect a man to love a woman like he loves his children because that is also ridiculous.

I don't know why this "Waaaaaaaaa. You don't love me like you love our children!" topic keeps coming up in the red pill. Of course no one is going to love you as much as they love their children and it is actually really sad, pathetic and childish to continue to bring the topic up. You are supposed to be men, not little girls.

If you want to be loved like a mother loves her children, go back to mommy. If you actually want romantic love that you get from a relationship, then find yourself a (good) woman.

Jesus Christ, it is pathetic that we are talking about this. How sad it is that some men expect women to love them like they love their children?

IHeartDay9 · 2018-11-30T09:02:01+00:00

TIL I'm not a woman. Well, to be fair, I don't entirely identify as such, but man, there are so many people with vaginas walking around out there with the mistaken impression that they're women.

Even supposing women in the relationship model you've described didn't truly love their partner's, it's is far from the only relationship type out there. Lots of women who are the primary or sole income earners, women who stay with disabled/ill spouses, women who prefer a more egalitarian or even female led relationship etc. Why are they with their partners?

xKalisto · 2018-11-30T08:39:06+00:00

Ya know, I'm a SHAM and all. But you do know that women work and are able to provide for themselves and fulfill their own dreams regardless of their men? Majority of them do just that.

Love for children is just different. It doesn't have to be contest. Or am I to think my husband doesn't love me just cause he adores out daughter?

misiepatysie · 2018-11-30T09:00:43+00:00

Every adult loves conditionally. If a woman stops satisfying your need- you will dump her. She will do the same with you.
That said do one actually should love unconditionally. If the other person is abusive, aggresive, if there is no undertanding, a dead bedroom and lack of trust and respect, then it is better for the relationship to end.
I do not get the idea od unconditional love.

SpaceWhiskey · 2018-11-30T15:09:46+00:00

Every time someone brings this up in here, I like to counter with the notion (some) men seem to have that they can cheat on their wives and still be in love with them. Until you’ve lived as a woman I don’t think you can understand how different it looks from the other side. Men abandon their partners, their children, their entire lives all the time. This isn’t a gendered thing. Some people are just shitty.

I love my fiancé with all my heart, threads like these are so insulting.

TriadFamilyTimes · 2018-11-30T02:56:59+00:00

Exile_In_Redditville · 2018-11-30T08:33:24+00:00

I'm gonna ignore all the "love me like a child" or whatever stuff as it's been covered.

Imagine someone came into my life and provided for me, took me out to dinners, gave me new experiences. Was charming and funny to me.

Don't have to imagine thankfully. Whether it's giving time, things, or experiences these are all choices made and actions taken by the man. Speaking for my relationship, actions on his part are everything, we don't need to have a hour long conversation about the feels on his part that brought on the action. We could, I could manufacture that conversation easily but that's boring. Instead I take that happy from the action made, express the shit out of it, then convert it to fuck power (totally like horsepower but like in vaginas) and then allllllllll these words start coming from him unbidden. But happy-fux are easy! True, very true. But you can apply that manufactured conversation torture to any feeling or mood, just add sex, and magical powers of communication are bestowed. And if they aren't, that's cool too, I don't need to know every bit of static in his head. By not needing to, I find that more often than not I do. People who feel understood feel loved and sometimes understood means left alone which I appreciate myself at times. Other than that he knows he's powerfully associated with everything I value in my life, if not directly responsible for it. Even kids, who he does not want to be loved like. So even if all these "things" magiced themselves away somehow, people are more valuable than things. My favorite person is most valuable. I have no shame in saying it or expressing it, and I delight in creativity.

[deleted] · 2018-11-30T08:52:03+00:00

Only if he's a Chad and only for 3-5 years max.

ThisIsJustATr1bute · 2018-11-30T15:42:03+00:00

This comes off like someone who has never met a woman besides his mother. The idea that women only love their kids and use men as sperm donors is a bad stereotype. There are some women like that, but most of us actually put the marriage first, believe it or not.

G_likes_ravioli · 2018-11-30T11:24:33+00:00

i see...someone has a crush on a mother

Willow-girl · 2018-11-30T13:14:19+00:00

Behold the results of a decade or so of participation trophies ...

Autistic_Reeeeeeeeee · 2018-11-30T08:09:27+00:00

No, Unfortunately women do not love the same as men.

All love is conditional, However Mens love require significantly less conditions. Loyalty is the main one.

Womens conditions are more material and fickle in nature.

ExtensionComplexion · 2018-11-30T03:05:09+00:00

Yes if you're attractive enough. Otherwise nope.

betweentwoeternities · 2018-11-30T10:23:14+00:00

My love for my kids and their dad is different. I don't feel like squeezing my man's cheeks off because he's so cute, and I don't feel like fucking my kids because I find them sexy. Urrgh, even writing that feels wrong

Its just different, I don't think my partner would want me to treat him like I do my kids.

azngirl7689 · 2018-11-30T12:54:02+00:00

If you want a mommy wife just say so. By The way, only Mommy loves you unconditionally.

verticordia · 2018-11-30T13:29:36+00:00

Men and women both need to stop seeking external validation and this perfect "love" from the opposite sex and start loving themselves. When women love men, as you describe, they ALWAYS get their heart broken. The "love" most people think of is pure fantasy, and will always result in disappointment.

Women literally exist to compliment men and make them better versions of themselves. That's why women need to be so selective. I don't see a problem with rewarding masculine provider behavior and punishing beta male behavior. The only person that will love you unconditionally is yourself and your mother.

eidolize12 · 2018-11-30T02:58:34+00:00

most women can only love or long for the Chad type of guy. Any guy she deals with that is less than Chad is under constant scrutiny and comparison by her. she will remind you of it directly/indirectly

Edit: to also add, my mom didn't want kids. I spent my childhood being dropped off at different relatives or friends houses so my mom could go around with different guys for 3 to 4 days at a time. Even children are less important than Chad for most women

Purple-Brain · 2018-11-30T13:29:45+00:00

Women can love men the way they love their kids. It’s about loving the soul of the person rather than the things that make you compatible, like sense of humor, energy level, etc. I have rarely seen either gender truly love the other gender in this way. I’ve felt it in one relationship.

LittleGanymede · 2018-11-30T14:17:44+00:00

Women don't love in the Disney fantasy way. They expect you to always meet a certain standard, even in sickness, or they will leave. Love is conditional and temporary.

Having said that, yes women do Love, it's just not the love we were taught when we grew up. Romantic Love is simply a bodily function that compels us to breed. Women do feel that, even if it is temporary and conditional. It's a big deal that the Disney fantasy is a lie and that a woman, once in love with you, isn't always going to be in love with you no matter what but hey, dems da breaks.

Simply change the definition of love to mean temporary and conditional then a woman's romantic love makes sense. Also, men's romantic love is also temporary and conditional. Men just fall out of love for different reasons.

If you want to love a woman just realize what you are getting into and manage accordingly. Don't get married because both of you would be making a vow that neither of you really believes in. Treat the relationship as transnational, because it is. She is essentially a glorified escort. Use them, because a woman uses you. Be prepared to drop her even if she has your children. Don't go into the relationship thinking it will last forever no matter what. It won't. If one of you goes to prison the relationship dies in pretty much all cases.

Once you accept this it becomes easier to date women when you realize that they are glorified whores and not the Disney princess they want you to think they are. There is not Belle. There is not Fiona. Treat their love for what it is.

Bekiala · 2018-11-30T15:00:13+00:00

Yeah, if a woman is like that it isn't love. Same for a man; if he just wants arm candy then, it isn't love.

The memory center where my Mom was locked in when her Alzheimer's got bad had to completely redo their security system twice. Mom kept escaping to get back to Dad who was in Independent living.

AFuzzyMuffin · 2018-11-30T15:48:14+00:00

This question perturbs me. My experience in life says one thing but I’m not sure. I think you have to redefine love and also understand that perhaps not all women are like that.

Orange_Paisley · 2018-11-30T18:06:56+00:00

Yes, women do love men. Not like they love their children, but men don't love women like they love their children either. And you're acting like this is the 50s. Women have jobs and careers now, we don't need a man who is a provider. We need one we can be partners with, who respects us and we respect them, we take care of each other, and yes, have great sex together. My mom is the provider in her marriage and they have been together 40 years. I know couples who have been together since middle school and are now in their 40s and 50s. Please adjust your views on women and on love so that they fit reality.

abaxeron · 2018-11-30T19:34:15+00:00

I'll traditionally take un-traditional approach and put some light on this question from an unexpected angle.

Women at large don't love kids either.

The vast majority of all the relationships humans form - are either based on hormonal high or convenience.

I wouldn't say that a person staying with you out of hormonal high (what we see with women and children) is definitely superior to a person staying with you out of convenience.

unicorns- · 2018-11-30T20:47:16+00:00

Lots of women are in relationships with men who don’t provide for them, and they love their SOs just as much as women who are provided for.

I love my husband for who he is, money has nothing to do with it.

SirSourPuss · 2018-11-30T23:11:06+00:00

What's true of your woman is not necessarily true of every other one. Try not going for the basic thots for once.

Venicedreaming · 2018-12-02T04:43:00+00:00

I’ll raise you a better question: do people truly love each other? Parent and children love is the closest thing we have to unconditional love. Outside of that, all conditional, men or women. Think about if your SO get cancer and turn into the most insufferable, dependent and unattractive human you have ever known, then tell me if you still love them. Btw, more women stay than men after major illness to their SO btw, study shows. The unconditional love you’re seeking for can only be found with your mom and dad, and no where else. Maybe if you’re really lucky you can find it in a spouse, but the stats don’t look good. It sounds bleak, but it’s just the rules of life. You accept and live the best you can with what you have

whitetrashcarl · 2018-11-30T03:12:51+00:00

I would never think a girl really loved me if she didn’t constantly give speeches about how amazing I am, listen to all my ramblings like I’m brilliant, bring home girls for threesomes, try hard to please me sexually, basically try to do anything and everything she could to make me happy and make me love her more

I’ve had it and I could never go back

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the-4th-survivor · 2018-11-30T11:28:35+00:00

All human relationships, whether professional, platonic, romantic or sexual, are transactional in nature. You have something to offer that other people need or want, they have something you need or want, and so you get together and start a friendship, romance, casual, FWB, working relationship, or whatever. If that person no longer has the qualities that attracted you to them in the first place then you would lose interest and stop hanging out with them, dating them, fucking them, working with them, etc. Society in general is a system that revolves around people seeing to the needs and desires of other people and in return having their own needs and desires fulfilled. The only people in this world who love you more or less unconditionally are your parents and that's only because they already got what they want from you just by your existence. They passed on their genes. Even then, they may decide they want nothing to do with you if you don't turn out to be the person they think you should be.

Katt_Ohara · 2018-12-01T04:08:22+00:00

I am so sick of reading this daily bullshit man-spew garbage. Why are we expected to answer this type of shit with any sincerity at all??? It's like a hit and run of every stupid reddit never-been-kissed trope and meme and fear all rolled up into something like this that we're supposed to decipher and answer like you didn't just make this shit up as you typed. fuck off

speck1447 · 2018-12-01T02:43:18+00:00

The reason that this is wrong is that it's blatantly, obviously, clearly wrong.

You open with

If you want to see what true love from a woman looks like, you look at how she feels with her kids, which is not what anybody who studies love as a neurobiological phenomenon believes. Researchers basically acknowledge that "love" is not one thing - we love children in a way that's different from the way we love family, and we love pets in a way that's different from how we love children, and we love partners in a way that's different from how we love pets, and so on. You argue that the only form of love that exists is nurturing, given from a powerful being to a helpless one, but there's simply no reason for anybody to believe this.

You continue:

What she loves from the man is his ability to give a good live for the people she really loves: her kids. This is also blatantly wrong. I can give you more psychology, but at this point you're probably doubting psychology as an institution on the basis that it's a "soft science," so I'll give you more obvious proof - infertile women with jobs still marry. There are stable heterosexual marriages in which infertile women are the primary breadwinners, which your model simply cannot account for. Again, there is absolutely no way that a rational person could accept your argument here, because it's blatantly antithetical to reality.

Female "love" is predicated upon the male continuously proving himself. This, too, is wrong - the only way you could make this claim is if you've been indoctrinated into an especially wrong understanding of human dating rituals in their modern form.

If a man succeeds in these areas, she will enter the craved female submissive state of admiration for him, what we would see as "love". This, of course, is where you show your true colors. You've already alluded to your (erroneous) belief that the only form of love is given from the powerful to the helpless - this is convenient for you because it means that big, powerful men can love weak, helpless women, but the relationship cannot go in the other direction. You believe this, not because it's true, but because it's a way for you to justify your claims that women are (a) fundamentally weak, that (b) men are inherently dominant and women submissive, and (c) that women are incapable of loving their partners. There is no reason to believe that "the craved submissive female state exist" - in fact, there's quite a lot of reason to believe that it doesn't, based on even a cursory examination of normal, healthy relationships.

However, fail in any measure , and she will (once logistically viable) branch-swing to a better option. This is also not true. Again, I'll give a blatantly obvious example, and one that would provoke sympathy in any functioning human: women sometimes stay with abusers. If women worked like this, domestic violence would be very rare and very easily caught - exactly the opposite is true.

I was going to continue, but the rest of your post is the same drivel. The things you believe are not just wrong, they're blatantly inconsistent with reality. I'm giving you some psychology, pointing you in the direction of research on these topics, but it's much easier than that: to see how wrong you are, all you have to do is open your curtains and look outside for a second.

What worries me is that you haven't done that already. A person who functions within society, or who even tries to do so, would see that this is preposterous - the only way that you could believe any of this, I'm afraid, is if you have intentionally shut yourself off from all of reality, because reality is inconvenient for your current beliefs.

If that's the case, and it almost certainly is, then nobody will ever change your mind. You have internalized a toxic set of lies and made it impossible for yourself to ever find the truth again.

I do not say this lightly: go see a psychiatrist. It is very likely that you cannot get better without a serious regimen of drugs and therapy. Modern medicine can treat these sorts of things if you really make an honest effort.

I really want to change your view, because I know how dangerous your view is. But in the end, you're not ready to have your mind changed - I know that, and I think that you know it as well. You won't believe me, not yet, but things can get better, and you can be helped, if not totally healed.

Please, make an honest effort to fix yourself. The best case scenario is that you can pull yourself out of the suicide cult that you're currently a part of. The worst case? Nothing gets better, which, based on your post history, is basically your current situation anyway.

And since I've already written all this, here's a little something extra: this sub explicitly bans incel content. I don't really want to send you back to your echo chamber, since I know that that's a big cause of your problems, but you're not wanted here.

Title	Do women ever really love men?
Author	MMDT
Upvotes	31
Comments	300
Date	November 30, 2018 2:36 AM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a1o9kb/do_women_ever_really_love_men/
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