For men who complain about AWALT, and the CC, why don’t you just date a religious girl?

BagofCheese913 · 2021-05-16T16:42:46+00:00

Unlike much of PPD, I live in an actual conservative Christian community, (primarily networked by a school + churches we go to.) Much of this post is unrealistic.

First, you really have to be in the community to even really get to know these girls. Now, I will admit, this is changing as more men and women go to college, thus expanding the people they know (However, the vast majority go to explicitly Christian colleges, so chances are you won’t run into them), but it is also mitigated by a second factor:

Both men and women are taught and the vast majority accept that you shouldn’t date someone who isn’t Christian, as it is said that puts them in a position where you can be led away from God. (We aren’t taught to hate/dislike/avoid non-Christians, just not to date them) It’s even recommended to avoid new Christians, because it’s not your place as a spouse (husband or wife) to be a teacher in that.

So unless you’re an incredibly good liar, or are already within the community, you will not have access to the vast majority of the girls like this. And some of your assumptions about ultra-religious girls are just stupid and degrading.

-Unless they’re in a cult, women absolutely can refuse sex from their husbands.

-They are taught to be more submissive to their husbands, but not in “constant obedience” way. Men are meant to be the rock of the family, the constant steadiness to lead the family through good and bad. In that way, they are the leader of the family, and thus many decisions will be deferred to them. The wife will absolutely still have input and make many decisions herself. She will often give input and maybe disagree with her husbands decisions and make those disagreements known. They aren’t taught to be stupid slaves, that’s pathetic fetishization that would get you kicked out of 99% of religious circles.

-Depends on your definition of “provocative clothing” Is showing a ton of skin mostly frowned upon? Yes, but girls absolutely wear clothes that accentuate their curves/bust/butt. Are tight yoga pants provocative? How about skinny jeans? Shorts that cut off above the knee? Those weird shirts that sit on the side of the shoulders? (Don’t know what their called) Sundresses? My girlfriend has a very modest/loose fitting style, that I personally find very attractive. It all varies from person to person and family to family.

I also want to stress, for most of these girls/women (And a surprising amount of guys), it isn’t a case of “I find them hot, but they aren’t Christian so I won’t date them,” It’s a literal cut off of attraction. You aren’t Christian, you aren’t attractive. You won’t be able to neg or manipulate them into having ONS with you.

Honestly, my community and relationships with these people are what keeps me from being rp.

LCOSPARELT1 · 2021-05-16T15:53:34+00:00

Because most men aren’t religious either. Lots of dudes on Reddit would like women to exhibit traditional Christian values but have no interest in being followers of Christ themselves.

mechanical_elves · 2021-05-16T15:57:16+00:00

Ultra religious women will very often wait for a man who is similarly ultra religious in her particular religion. This is the case for most religions be it Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Mormon, and so on.

caligulawillblush · 2021-05-16T15:53:51+00:00

If they dated a religious girl they would actually have to follow her morals ie not have sex before marriage. They don't want that.

Gilmoregirlin · 2021-05-16T16:40:05+00:00

Because religious women would generally be looking for a religious man. One that shared the same beliefs, was active in the church and wanted to continue to be, raise the kids as such and who was also a virgin and saving themselves for marriage.

Theggooob · 2021-05-16T16:00:31+00:00

For those of us who aren’t religious, it just kinda rubs me the wrong way, I don’t respect it, and I don’t want to support it.

It reminds me of one of my favorite streamers. This guy is overweight and depressed, and he knows that the way for him to get women is to lower his standards. So he marries this Christians conservative. She is constantly voting Republican because she hates abortion. But he is constantly voting Democrat because he believes in a lot of liberal politics.

Like he hates Republicans and believes that they are racist and keeping the poor poor. But he married one. I think it just looks foolish when your own household is canceling itself out.

It just seems like a relationship with a religious woman would bring up a lot of problems. What if she wants to cut the skin off of your new born’s penis because she believes that god likes penises that way? You gonna explain to him when he’s a teenager “sorry son I let your mom cut your penis for her magical ritual, my bad”?

What if she needs to get married in a church? Now I gotta pay thousands to the church that I don’t even believe in.

Squiddy-the-wise · 2021-05-16T18:42:06+00:00

I used to hookup with a church girl all the time while her bf was working 🤣.

Great idea

Philip8000 · 2021-05-16T17:58:54+00:00

You seem to have a skewed perspective when it comes to religious women. I've known my share and they are NOT submissive, weak, quiet, or anything like that. In fact, they're sometimes more willing to speak up about things they feel strongly about, including with their husbands/boyfriends.

Very few are virgins when getting married, being that the average age of marriage is pushing 30. Something like 90% of those who make virginity pledges defect and many of those who don't get married at younger ages. You're fighting against one of the strongest human instincts we possess.

i_wind · 2021-05-16T15:51:08+00:00

“Just win the Lottery, bro”

redditradishman · 2021-05-16T16:17:48+00:00

They stopped manufacturing this model a while ago.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2021-05-16T15:54:31+00:00

Because they don't actually want to deal with a religious woman. A woman who is chaste won't actually satisfy them, they likely will not present as particularly attractive, and they will be far more likely to be financially dependant. There's also the whole religion thing since a lot of these dudes who do complain are not religious.

Pilling_it · 2021-05-16T16:15:15+00:00

Well, it comes with a number of cons as well in practice, I would say? Also people aren't stupid, you're not going to get accepted in a religious community if you're not religious yourself.

basedmillennial95 · 2021-05-16T16:29:11+00:00

Because religious girls are no different. Trust me, I'm a diehard christcuck and I've seen a handful of women that are truly religious.

REEE_XD · 2021-05-16T17:11:10+00:00

I actually knew a pretty conservative girl who deadass would’ve been the perfect partner. The only thing was she watched Fox News and believed everything they said and also had some weird beliefs about black people.

QuenchlessGato · 2021-05-16T18:05:30+00:00

I think you are misguided on the topic of religious people.Most of those who are considered religious are so purely out of habit. Their parents went to church and so they just got used to it and they don't think about their religion at all. They will lie, cheat, drink, get violent and commit whatever sins and they will go to church as usual. So these positive traits you listed aren't guaranteed at all. Just because a girl goes to church every Sunday doesn't mean anything.

For those "truly" religious people I really doubt that they would want to date someone who isn't equally religious as them.

Mountain_Switch_6759 · 2021-05-16T16:08:54+00:00

Religious women aren’t all rainbows and sunshine my friend. Maybe it’s only my experience, but I have found that they are like all other Western women. The belief that the world is only 7,000 years old, that if you just pray that it will make things all better vs working on your goal every day..I could go on, but you get the picture of how hard it is to carry on exploratory thought exercises that delve into depth. The most messed up ones were religious. I dated one that was a drug user, another was completely adulterous, and yet another was divorced 4 times! So many Red flags.

They also don’t plan for anything long term because they all know “The End of Days” are coming.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2021-05-16T16:15:42+00:00

Because: AWALT, not "AWALT except for religious girls."

A lot of people go to church on Sunday morning to get forgiven for what they did on Saturday night.

XtoDoubt · 2021-05-16T15:48:26+00:00

This is such a tiny percentage of women. You might as well ask "Why don't you find the needle in the haystack?"

niqqasbeburfin · 2021-05-16T16:20:05+00:00

ITT rp dudes show the world that they don't deserve a tradwife lol

"Rules for thee but not for me" aka "I wanna be a degenerate slut but god forbid my wife get horny before I meet her"

reluctantly_red · 2021-05-16T15:53:14+00:00

Religious women are the worst. They have all the worst female traits but without the hot sex.

wintercharm_ · 2021-05-16T15:58:47+00:00

I desire and love modest, virgin/chaste, religious (Orthodox with classical education), right wing, 100% heterosexual, conservative, and traditional women who love and cherishes her race and culture, but they are unfortunately going the way of the dodo (if they haven't already). These women are very high value (in my eyes) and therefore I have to meet her standards, which I am happily willing to do to be worthy in her eyes (since she is worthy in mine). But they are so worthy in my eyes that I will pass on them if ever she was interested because I know I am currently not up to scratch and they deserve better men who are.

But since women are just not high value anymore, I have to go my own way. The juice is not worth the squeeze as MGTOW like to say.

Contrary to what thirsty TRPers might say, I don't need women to be happy. The source of happiness, contentment and equanimity comes from many different sources, including from God who is Always There and just experiencing life and doing many different things.

By the way, TRPers who assist in women's self-ruination and then complain about them being high n-count sluts need to marry them and leave the good ones to us men who reject modernity its degenerate lifestyles.

CommanderOfTheDeath · 2021-05-16T16:00:17+00:00

Apart from religious people being a huge pain in the butt, many of those "church girls" are huge sluts. If people are operated all their childhood they become rebellious and do what they weren't allowed to do. What aleks you think that this doesn't apply to church sluts?

WarfarinMD · 2021-05-16T16:24:00+00:00

I like smart, opinionated, strong, confident women. That is my ultimate weakness. I don't want a woman to submit to me, nor do I wanna submit to them. An independent woman who can hold her own is very attractive, and is someone I can proudly call a partner.

I don't want a religious person because I'm not religious.

Digedag · 2021-05-16T15:51:50+00:00

I'd have to be brainwashed myself to enjoy the company of other brainwashed people.

CrackLover420 · 2021-05-16T16:00:18+00:00

Plenty of religious women are sluts.

Physiologist21 · 2021-05-16T16:10:01+00:00

Because AWALT... duh. None of these things you posted are actually true about “religious” girls. Lol. Even islamic women nowadays pretend to be religious and are getting gang banged out in their spare time. It’s hilarious.

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eveleaf · 2021-05-16T17:21:56+00:00

Trust me, the guys here are NOT the ones the ultra-religious, submissive virgin women are looking for.

They're holding out for a deeply religious, high-earning, "alpha" leader type.

ReaderMountain · 2021-05-16T17:56:59+00:00

I was a religious virgin until 24. Men never ever asked me out.

Now that I’m older and fatter and w a higher n count I get asked out a lot. 🤔🤔🤔

SylvestorTalone · 2021-05-16T18:14:47+00:00

They are extremely rare and there are many counterfeits, way more than the number of genuine articles.

twheeem · 2021-05-16T20:20:45+00:00

You'll still get cheated on regardless. It doesn't matter.

M3taBuster · 2021-05-16T20:52:56+00:00

The optimist in me doesn't want to believe this, but I think the AWALT argument would go something like "religious girls are just as bad as non-religious girls, they're just better at hiding it, lying about it, and exploiting loopholes". That's kinda the whole point of the phrase "ALL women are like that".

souredskittles · 2021-05-17T00:08:20+00:00

Socially Conservative women will scan for degenerate men. Red pill engages in prostitution, casual sex, strip clubs etc. these things will turn off these types of women.

PoliticsIsBroken · 2021-05-16T15:50:10+00:00

"just find a unicorn bro"

Barely-moral · 2021-05-16T16:01:10+00:00

I don't complain about the CC but I do believe in AWALT and I am not entirely happy about it.

Why don't I date a religious girl?

I kinda do, she is not religious enough to meet the description you used though. I can think about a reason I am not dating a woman that is religious enough to meet that description.

I am not religious and I am not going to lie about it. I do hold a moral code that is heavily inspired on christianity, no point denying that, and I am willing to say that I act more christ-like than the vast majority of actual christians. But that does not matter to that kind of religious women. I don't believe he rised from the grave, so I am not good enough. And that is fair.

801735 · 2021-05-16T15:59:53+00:00

For men who complain about AWALT, and the CC, why don’t you just date a religious girl?

Stop telling me what to do.

NameGiver0 · 2021-05-16T16:30:02+00:00

I’ve been atheist since I was 8.

I was once told by a woman I’d been on a date with that “The Bible says we should be equally yoked.”

OddAlternatives · 2021-05-16T16:38:10+00:00

No way to know which one is genuine and which isn't. Back when chastity was the norm the odds were pretty good regardless, and even then a culture existed that supported and enforced the things that were important.

Now, your idea is like dumpster diving lol.

It's ok though. The solution is really simple it is to forget fucking marrying and enjoy the smograsboard of pussy on offer such as would make Genghis Khan blush.

mindsanitizer · 2021-05-16T17:04:01+00:00

Religious girls are great because they let you do butt stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG5Y4VXlk-w

CandleLess · 2021-05-16T18:11:51+00:00

Because we also want sex before marriage which christian girls don't usually give up

geyejoe7 · 2021-05-16T18:20:16+00:00

Casually date a person your life perspective doesn't bond well with

yuckyuck13 · 2021-05-16T18:35:03+00:00

I've never really complained about either just wish I was more of a catch. I actually started going to church to find a partner is looking for something more serious.

redback-spider · 2021-05-16T18:51:29+00:00

A even if you they would want you, and you would be interested in them maybe wait for sex till marriage, there are many problems:

many religioes groups have also high divorce rates sometimes even higher than non religioes people, so you would have to be very very selecting just religious is not enough some sort of ortodoxy.
while when people with the same religion marry they have sometimes better or much better divorce rates (lower), the opposite is true for marriages between different faiths or atheists and religious people. So if you somehow as atheist get a religious women to marry you, you have a HIGHER chance to get divorced, except you adopt her religion maybe.

TooCertified · 2021-05-16T19:02:05+00:00

Just as women want bad boys who'll be nice only to them, Us men want virgin / low n count women who'll only be freaky with us

A lot of the non religious / atheist women are freaky but sleep around too much and that's unappealing to us

Religious women are often too prude and vanilla

Apprehensive_Boat_70 · 2021-05-16T19:17:47+00:00

I once met a woman who quoted verses of the bible that stated that a mans duty was to provide and protect his woman, ironically the most christian thing she has is a kid called "Cristian", she doesnt knows who the dad is.

Mustbeaight · 2021-05-16T19:22:40+00:00

Yeah because all of us are born in religious families or even have access or come in contact with religious women? Or are there enough religious women that would date men that are not part of their religion to go around? Or do you suggest men faking their religious beliefs to maybe gain access to those circles? What type of dumb shit is this? All this so you can run off and say “hahaha if you’re not dating a religious girl then don’t complain about dating”

You really thought you did something huh

Apprehensive_Boat_70 · 2021-05-16T19:30:03+00:00

Most guys here arent religious anyways, but the argument is not that "trad" women dont exist anymore, the argument is that despite many modern women being far from traditional, these guys are still expected to fill their traditional role. An extreme example would be to take an ex party girl who has been ran through more times than the route 66 to an expensive restaurant, make her a shit ton of expensive gifts in hopes of getting her thumbs up but not even a single display of respect, that happens quite a lot to the men of this sub.

LonelyWineAunt · 2021-05-16T20:16:50+00:00

Call me cynical but it’s probably because religious women wouldn’t be interested in BDSM and porn.

bowserfire73 · 2021-05-16T20:27:43+00:00

-they want someone who is also religious

it's called awalt for a reason, they still have the high standards other women have

NPCFactChecker · 2021-05-16T21:40:13+00:00

Well duh. Where do you think all these Red Pillers end up? People in this sub are really underestimating what zero pussy can do to a mfer.

MyDogLovesCorn · 2021-05-16T22:08:54+00:00

How come these communities never take about traditional husbands? Why we fetish the women but no expectation that the men whining on these boards probably aren't what anyone would consider an example of traditional masculinity?

trail22 · 2021-05-16T23:37:47+00:00

Have you ever gone to a religious singles club? While the women aren't unattractive you can't really have a conversation with most of them.

Whisper · 2021-05-16T23:59:56+00:00

All women are like that.

TheDevilPutD · 2021-05-17T01:21:45+00:00

Here is these dudes' logic:

-I want easy and plentiful sex but I don't like girls who sleep around or are too easy

-I want a girl who is napalm in bed, but I will not touch a girl who is more than a fuck or two removed from her virginity

-I want a girl to be totally dependent on me and obedient but I don't want to pay for anything

-I want, I want, I want.

old_wise_man_ · 2021-05-17T02:01:48+00:00

Where can I find them? Do they sell in the supermarket ? Usually girls who are religious are non practitioners, so its basically the same as other girls. The difference is just they try to hide it better.

The ones who actually practice the religion......are already taken.

Suck-Less · 2021-05-17T02:24:38+00:00

If you want an actual relationship you have to remember that Baptist women have a higher divorce rate. But in general, I agree. My wife is Buddhist from Vietnam and it’s worked out great for me. Married 23 years so far.

just_a_place · 2021-05-17T07:11:56+00:00

Religious girls are not Unicorns, they are still girls at the end of the day and the AWALT platitude still applies to them.

They’re usually interested in marrying young, and so you won’t be getting a post-wall woman

Is this what those girls are genuinely interested in or is it what their religion brain washes them into believing? I prefer a girl who wants it out of her own volition and isn't just doing something she doesn't want because she thinks she's going to hell.

They’re almost always virgins as they aren’t interested in sleeping around.

Just because they are religious doesn't mean they don't fuck around. Some of the sluttiest girls I have ever known were the religious types and that is because they're so sexually repressed that just as the boys they are bursting at the seams with sexual angst.

They are told to be submissive to their husbands so they won’t be loud and assuming.

They are told to be submissive but are they really? Are they not just repressing their genuine feelings and opinions just to please her man and then acting out all those repressed feelings in a plethora of passive aggresive actions which makes both their lives a living hell? What kind of guy wants a completely submissive woman who never voices her needs and never corrects him when he fucks up? I'd like to know my girl has my back and isn't just some yes-girl who is going to keep submitting to my mistakes. I need to know my girl is a person with her own brain and her own point of view because I'd like to believe I can make her genuinely happy and isn't just smiling at me out of duty, I want her to be genuinely happy and not a dead shell inside.

Divorce is mostly out of the question because most religious people don’t divorce and in some cases, divorce is even a sin. Even if you cheat she’ll stay.

I want my girl to have agency and be able to leave the contract if I were to cheat on her. I would not want to wound her further by forcing her to stay with me after I've destroyed her world with a betrayal. If she decides out of her own free will to stay with me I would be thrilled and eternally grateful for her love but then that would be a matter of mending my relationship and restoring her trust in me again. That would be an intimate thing just between me and not, not the state, not a god, and not some damned religion: Just me and her.

They’re not allowed to refuse you from sex

And I am not interested in raping a woman care about, or any woman for that matter. If she is refusing to have sex it is for a reason, and if she wants me to help her work through whatever conflict she is having I am willing to do so because her well-being would be my true concern here. How could I be horny when my girl is feeling so depressed or in pain or in any type of condition to not want sex? My first concern would be for what's wrong with her and then take care of her. If I am really so horny I need sex right now that's why there is porn and I can rub one out and get it over with.

They won’t wear provocative clothing to entice other men. Talk about killing two birds, right?

I don't know, some of them Amish girls are looking kinda hot in those cute little hats they wear. 😏

7SovarN · 2021-05-17T11:48:04+00:00

A lot of people here conflating religion and tradition. I'm a non-religious traditionalist for example. Also, the amount of projection here lmao.

abaxeron · 2021-05-17T13:46:44+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ct8hyj/the_problem_of_induction_how_do_we_know_awalt_and/exkff37/

SheepBaaaa · 2021-05-17T15:24:47+00:00

Oh, you mean those reformed sluts? Those born again virgins lol no thanks.

anon1936211110 · 2021-05-17T20:52:38+00:00

Why the hell would a religious girl want to date a redpiller. Presumably she has morals and wants the same in her partner.

MoreAlfa · 2021-05-18T04:56:17+00:00

The women you just described have ONE horn coming out of their foreheads.

Your post does come across as sarcastic but I actually understand your point. I do need to ask you question:

What does AWALT mean to you?

CockAFuckityFuck · 2021-05-19T21:43:30+00:00

Because the so called "religious" girl is very likely a born again virgin who has retired with a lifetime achievement award from the cock carousel.

hesipullupjimbo445 · 2021-05-16T17:01:15+00:00

I’m not religious and most women couldn’t give a damn about religion enough to make it their identity

_throwaway1260 · 2021-05-16T17:22:20+00:00

Most communities are split evenly between the genders. there shouldn't be generally opening in a dating pool of a separate community to accommodate an uneven influx of men or women.

Aviadcool111 · 2021-05-16T18:02:13+00:00

Difference of values, I find myself in a strange situation since I have very conservative judeo-christian values since I was raised by a jewish father and christian mother but am not religious myself(agnostic is what I would describe myself) and really do not care for the business-like model of modern christaninty in the United States. I do follow most of the 10 commandments as well as the golden rules plus value chastity but more of what it represents which is self control and intelligence.

Algae_Natural · 2021-05-16T20:05:22+00:00

she can't refuse sex

Bullshit

Its all fun and games until she refuses to even kiss you until marriage and has sex with you once in your honeymoon and once to have a kid. Religious women are frigid and usually think sex is disgusting. Most of them just lay still on their wedding night waiting for it to be over. I would rather pick a post wall cc woman over that anytime.

Title	For men who complain about AWALT, and the CC, why don’t you just date a religious girl?
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