Feminist outrage over new phone app which allows users to video their date agreeing to sex to protect them against rape claims

tookMYshovelwithme · 2015-07-13T15:45:27+00:00

False accuser shaming. Can't be having that.

stop_stalking_me · 2015-07-13T17:53:45+00:00

Feminists want (stupid) consent laws to reduce "rape culture" or some shit.
Someone makes an app to document consent was given according to said consent law.
Feminists rage.

What the fucking hell, you can't win with these people.

pnw_diver · 2015-07-13T17:44:34+00:00

Feminists seem.bothered that men have responded to the rape hysteria and "affirmative consent" by trying to produce tools which a) meet the standard of affirmative consent in a way which would show visually what happened, and b) protect men from false allegations.

Electroverted · 2015-07-13T21:27:53+00:00

"How dare you logically respond to our illogical demands?!"

... They never intended for anyone to fix this. They just want submission.

The_Natty_King · 2015-07-13T16:11:34+00:00

They'll probably just say the app encourages duress.

The funniest part? Hearing women constantly touting stats about "male deserts", why men are losing interest in women, why the marriage rate is in free-fall, why men are fleeing college campuses.

Add this to this list. Protecting your neck in a relationship to avoid false rape accusations equals rape culture.

SqueaksBCOD · 2015-07-13T19:04:51+00:00

This is why MRAs cant try and work with Feminist groups. They are not about equality, but they can't even keep their shit straight. They say one thing, and when someone tries to solve an issue, they claim the it isn't the issue.

It is obvious that Feminist aren't about solving issues, but to try and maintain a perpetual victim status. This is why the MRM can't try and work with Feminist for equality, because the goal is widely different.

Lrellok · 2015-07-13T15:58:08+00:00

Well, Duh! How many times do I have to repeat, consent rules are not about "grey rape", they are about blackmailing young men into abusive relationships. Lemme do this again.

chad and suzy hook up at a party, suzy takes chad home, enthusiastic consent is given all around, and chad leaves the next morning. A few days later chad gets a phone call. "I want a relationship" says suzy. "Um, we agreed that was ONS only" replies chad. "Well I don't seem to remember you asking to kiss my left nipple after you kissed my right nipple, so if you want anything resembling a future, we are now dating and I am never to hear about you sleeping with anyone ever again."

Yes means yes consent can be understood better as "revenge of the plates.". It is never supposed to be provable that consent ever existed, its a trap law, written so as to be completely impossible to follow. It exists to make thunderboy chad settle down on her term, to her schedule, whenever she chooses. That is its one and only function, and in a single phone app, its function is voided.

Yeah, I am certain the young women who cooked this scheme up are furios right now.

Ps; the reason I tend to laugh at PUA/TRP is they still seem not to have figured the above out.

dangerousopinions · 2015-07-13T16:21:35+00:00

"Developers say their app will end 'misunderstandings' but rape support groups say they are wrongly suggesting rape is about disagreements about consent rather than a decision made by a rapist."

What about all the "you can rape without even knowing it" stuff? What about people thinking they had consent because a formal no was not given being rapists? Now you say that a rapist is only someone that makes a decision? I don't understand how these people think.

Rikvidr · 2015-07-13T15:45:56+00:00

Lines like this one are troubling:

Among critics of the app is the Rape and Sexual Abuse Support Centre, which slammed it for apparently showing rape is the result of misunderstanding rather than an attack.

So, they're saying that the app is a bad idea, claiming that it categorizes rape as a misunderstanding. Meanwhile, they're saying all rapes are attacks. There are absolutely rapists waiting in parking lots for women, but there's also rapes that happen because both parties were too drunk or high. These RSASC people are willing to lump all rapes in together a "vicious attacks", but are outraged at the app for even asserting that there could be rapes that aren't premeditated rapes. Hypocrisy strikes again.

Z027 · 2015-07-13T20:40:17+00:00

can we take a minute to imagine using this app

you get a girl home from the bar,

"hey, wait a second babe, i need to take a video of you saying you want to have sex with me, because bitches be trippin'."

KickedToTheTop · 2015-07-13T19:08:56+00:00

I realised something today after reading about this app. "Yes means yes" laws are not about helping women to defend against rape (having sex with an incapacitated person is already illegal in most places). They are a social reaction to the breakdown of monogamous culture and delayed parenthood, and the years of meaningless (non-procreative) sex that are sandwiched by adolescence and parenthood.

The reality is, people who are anxious, stressed and unhappy with their sex lives, men and women both, think "yes means yes" is the best way to stop some men getting all the fun out of sex (sleeping around endlessly) while some men get none, and of dealing with the fact that most women feel varying degrees of regret and anxiety about random, meaningless sex. The alliance works because the men are actually happy to see sexually successful men get labelled rapists, and the women are keen for more legal, social and moral pressures that will make successful men stay with them and not just enjoy meaningless sex with them.

After all, it's not a coincidence that the people getting repeatedly Title IX'd are attractive, successful students - and similarly with high profile cases in sports etc. In our modern culture, being a good looking, athletic man who sleeps with many women is converging with a "rapist" stereotype - it's incredible that we don't even realise how senseless this is, that the men who least need to rape anyone (because women are throwing themselves at them) are the ones most likely to be thought of as rapists!

"Yes means yes" is not about rape - it is about psychologically clamping down on the sexually successful, in the hope of creating a more balanced playing field for men who have not found partners.

If I'm correct about this, then I predict that apps like this will not work - the wider society will not allow them to. Equally, things like recording the goings on in your private property, to self-protect, will be banned for all but the richest people - the trick only works if the underlying psychological fear of having meaningless sex with numerous women is strong.

augizzz999 · 2015-07-13T20:58:44+00:00

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dewse · 2015-07-13T22:51:42+00:00

I'm also outraged that this app even has to exist.

p3ngwin · 2015-07-13T16:55:50+00:00

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weapawn · 2015-07-13T21:36:04+00:00

Judge: How do you know she gave you consent? Me: She kept yelling "Fuck me harder!" Neighbor: I can testify to that. Judge: Case dismissed.

Also, women have no problem saying no. Don't believe me? Try sticking your finger in her butt.

scanspeak · 2015-07-13T21:54:59+00:00

I propose any guys or girls participating in sex now wear a GoPro on a headband and record the entire event. It can be a new fashion trend.

MrWinks · 2015-07-13T17:12:58+00:00

I looked into the app. It requires $5 a year (subscription), isn't in the app store (apple, anyway), and requires signing up with phone number and email address. I'm skeptical and don't wanna give out my personal information.

BUT. I still want this app, so I might find ways around the bullshit just so I can grab it.

denyjunctionfunction · 2015-07-13T21:31:39+00:00

'It seems the creator is more concerned with the reputations of perpetrators than the well-being of survivors of sexual assault.

Lovely comment. They don't seem to understand that the creators made this to protect people from falsely being accused and/or misunderstandings, not people who actually rape. Unless they are saying "consent doesn't matter, it is all sexual assault".

Meistermalkav · 2015-07-13T22:38:30+00:00

Simple: This is great.

Why?

Because it helps without following narrative.

Look at all the criticism, it basically goes, "Well, I think the idea is a step in the right decision, but it does not support the narrative we are trying to tell. " "Great app, sad they do not follow our definition of rape. "

I am sorry. The web devellopers went, and actively attempted to FIX the fucking problem, instead of waiting for years and having a societal discourse.

The devellopers care more about rape victims then the whole fucking lot of feminist critics of their app. Their only fault is that they are not following the feminist narrative.

A fault which I can completely forgive.

texasjoe · 2015-07-14T03:46:08+00:00

I thought they wanted affirmative consent... This is the free market's answer to facilitate sex.

Do they really just want no sex to happen at all? I'm starting to think these folks are puritans in sheeps' clothing.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2015-07-13T21:26:47+00:00

'This app seems to completely misunderstand sexual consent as an ongoing process rather than a one-off decision.

Then record yourself relinquishing consent, and/or make a panic button app for your phone.

PrimesteFericera · 2015-07-14T00:05:20+00:00

And they wonder why nobody is invests in their cause or tries to help them. A designer takes time to make an app, potentially useful color changing nail polish, or put a female in a game, and they get bullied and blogged into oblivion because nothing is ever good enough.

The nail polish and app aren't a useful tool made available if wanted, it's victim blaming. The character is either too scantily dressed or not womanly enough. Their entire worldview is about fighting battles by tearing people down and feeling part of something historical and "big", not about actually finding solutions, or creating anything.

Terry_Bruce_Dick · 2015-07-14T00:24:04+00:00

Oh my God. Chappelle was right.

duganaok · 2015-07-14T02:51:42+00:00

"Myth of miscommunication" like women have never verbally agreed to have sex and then make a false rape accusation. If that is their argument then the app would be useless. It's disgusting.

Stephen1985 · 2015-07-14T05:39:35+00:00

Critics say it suggests rape is due to misunderstanding not sexual violence

Im willing to bet that 70-90% of rapes are due to misunderstanding rather than forced sexual intercource

cajunrevenge · 2015-07-14T06:29:35+00:00

This is a handy thing for telling which feminists are full of shit and which ones are sane. At the least you would think feminists would be happy because nothing says affirmative consent like "hey come take a picture on this app and say you want to have sex with me".

Peytoria · 2015-07-13T20:18:24+00:00

Thats literally what they've been wanting. What the fuck

2015-07-13T17:51:05+00:00

I hope if this gets a lot of use that the videos are public available. Image all these super awkward people talking to a phone camera about all the thing they are about to do. It will be so amazingly awkward.

TrevorNWhite · 2015-07-13T21:34:15+00:00

Isn't this what they wanted? Christ on a cracker.

scanspeak · 2015-07-13T21:47:52+00:00

This outrage exposes the reality of feminist ideology. They view ALL heterosexual sex as rape and won't be happy until sex is outlawed completely.

General_Fear · 2015-07-13T22:02:19+00:00

"But after I agreed to have sex. I changed my mind."

All of these tools and video tapes and contract means chit because according to the law the woman has a right to changer her mind. Sex can be revoked at anytime. And then it will be your word against hers'. She squeezes out a few crocodile tears. Guess who they will believe.

RockFourFour · 2015-07-13T19:04:56+00:00

THIS IS YOUR FAULT, YOU DUMB FUCKING CUNTS.*

*This is the exact scenario where calling someone a cunt is perfectly cromulent.

EDIT: So apparently, calling these people cunts isn't proper even though they are about as cunty as a person could possibly be. Keep it classy, guys.

Brookface · 2015-07-13T23:28:26+00:00

Why would ANYONE be upset about this? Explain. Offer ANY argument that this hurts anybody. Go.

Scimitar66 · 2015-07-14T00:06:41+00:00

Is this not proof that in reality feminists are only interested in securing power for themselves?

miroku000 · 2015-07-14T01:58:28+00:00

They claim the videos are only available with a court order? That makes the app rater useless for colleges then... Since they do everything they can to not get it into court.

Griever114 · 2015-07-14T11:40:56+00:00

I really wonder why any male would even bother with sex anymore. It really just doesnt seem worth it. God forbid I end up divorced or a widower, I would just devote time to my kids and hobbies.

Sex just doesnt seem worth it anymore.

I feel sorry for any male going into high school/college and having to start dealing with this shit.

It sounds like we will really end up with:

Do you consent to this thrust Y/N? Do you consent to this thrust Y/N? Do you consent to this thrust Y/N? Do you consent to this thrust Y/N?

SuperDadMan · 2015-07-14T12:17:30+00:00

Fems: why do men always have to fix everything? Why can't they just sympathize with us?

Wargame4life · 2015-07-14T12:44:12+00:00

I honestly cant think of two words that have less impact than "feminists outraged"

might as well write "toddlers crying over"

wanderer779 · 2015-07-13T19:42:18+00:00

hilarious comments from the feminists as expected. Obviously a real rapist won't use it, so why should it be a problem? Unless you are sticking to their definition of rape which seems to be that a rape occurs when a woman says it did.

wazzup987 · 2015-07-13T20:52:34+00:00

Start accusing women under this law. it gender nuetral. does she give you a less than satisfying fuck? its rape, can she prove consent? doesn't matter its how you feel after the act. seriously lets see how feminist react when women start getting watoningly accused. see how fast that law change after mattress girl 2.0 gets kick out some prestigious college.

Fuck it i am so fucking done with feminists

manofsea · 2015-07-13T22:23:08+00:00

Let them rage about stupid shit. They will waste time and money on a common sense app, just like they did on the date rape test nail polish. They will continue to remove consent from women and destroy gender relations.

2015-07-13T23:17:59+00:00

It's a great tool, but unfortunately I suspect it won't catch on, because the men who need it think it won't happen to them and their partners will treat it like the turn-off it is.

xereeto · 2015-07-13T23:26:26+00:00

Jesus, all feminist shit aside for a moment... Could you imagine actually trying to get someone to use that thing? It'd seriously kill the mood. I get the point of why it was made and while it is a good idea, FUCK it would be awkward to put into practice. And that's completely disregarding that it implies you think your hookup's gonna cry rape.

iNVWSSV · 2015-07-14T01:11:32+00:00

you mean every guy doesn't have a camera hidden in his bedroom?

ChasingLamely · 2015-07-14T01:25:12+00:00

Sounds like a good app, buuut Its the DailyMail, we should link to higher quality news sources than tabloids :/

skinnyguy699 · 2015-07-14T02:32:18+00:00

I agree that it's a positive step in the right direction, but I also agree with critics who say consent is an ongoing process.

zomgitsduke · 2015-07-14T04:01:39+00:00

It's a great idea and all. However, this did come to mind as a potential issue and should at least be considered:

People can retract consent during sex. I know it doesn't happen much, but this may be used against anyone if they retract mid consent...

IBdeadshadow · 2015-07-14T05:40:04+00:00

If there is less rape than feminazis cant get people to rally behind them if there is more rape they can use that as the means to an end.

2015-07-14T05:45:02+00:00

Wait, you mean the camera on the phone?

Stephen1985 · 2015-07-14T05:47:46+00:00

Ok how about a video consent to start and then and audio recording of the act? best i can come up with for total protection.

I know there would still be ways to fuck with it but its the best i can come up with.

Savipalooza · 2015-07-14T05:59:45+00:00

A recording of someone giving consent is worthless. Consent can be withdrawn at any time.

Edit: Furthermore, if consent is withdrawn after the video has been recorded, rapists now have a better chance of getting people to side with them. They'll just show people the video, and they'll think the victim is making false accusations.

Jokkerb · 2015-07-14T07:05:21+00:00

For once I would like to see the femrage crowd suggest a solution that they could live with instead of a chorus of whargarbl and outrage.

modern_rabbit · 2015-07-14T08:06:01+00:00

but rape support groups say they are wrongly suggesting rape is about disagreements about consent rather than a decision made by a rapist.

Wait, did they just pull a 180? And they don't see the irony here???

wazzup987 · 2015-07-14T08:52:34+00:00

Its funny it like they don't realize how AC laws undermine their other positions. Like women strong powerful and independent until it comes to sex and alcohol then they have no agency what's so ever and it all men's fualt

Lachtan · 2015-07-14T08:52:54+00:00

At least the source is credible.

cauldron_bubble · 2015-07-14T09:19:38+00:00

What about if at the beginning of the sexual encounter both parties are into it, but then as things progress, one of them changes their mind? I've been in that situation, and fortunately the girl I was with understood and stopped when I felt uncomfortable, but what if she had recorded me agreeing to have sex and then decided to use that recording to cover her ass after going too far and perhaps injuring me? And what's to stop the type of scumbags who prey on vulnerable people from getting them to agree to have sex and then being too rough with them? If the person they convinced changes their mind partway into the act, they are literally screwed, because there's a recording of them agreeing to have sex.

2015-07-14T11:54:49+00:00

This app will do nothing. People will just say they were forced to because the other party threatened them.

theelectricmayham · 2015-07-14T12:44:56+00:00

I think it's about time someone actually drafts the love contract Dave Chappellle foretold

Hanzo44 · 2015-07-14T13:30:18+00:00

I'm not seeing any outrage. Some soap boxing to garner attention maybe.

elborracho420 · 2015-07-14T13:46:07+00:00

This app can't definitively prove consent though. Any court that believes it does would be absurd in that belief.

bsutansalt · 2015-07-14T18:45:07+00:00

I much prefer my app idea, which I haven't been able to get made for cheap/free....

When your heart rate via a smartwatch or Fitbit crosses a defined threshold, the phone's camera and/or microphone automatically starts recording. This can be used for sexual encounters, interactions with police, getting mugged, or any number of other uses. Bonus points if the video/audio is automatically immediately streamed or uploaded to some kind of storage or streaming website online. Dropbox and Youtube are good candidates.

robotiger101 · 2015-07-13T20:15:15+00:00

The app is useless, mainly due to the fact that it fails to provide evidence for various relevant factors, such as whether or not the victim was drunk, whether or not the victim was coerced into giving verbal consent for the sake of acquiring a recording, whether or not consent was revoked after the recording was made, et cetera.

Jack92783 · 2015-07-13T22:36:33+00:00

I fucking hate these stories.

"X outraged over Y which provides an option to Z"

Look, if you don't want to use the app... don't use the fucking app. Why is this news?

It's like CNN with their fucking "Twitter trends of the day" segment. I honestly don't care, how about you show some actual news and not what a bunch of idiots with free time on their hands happened to make up to bitch about today?

scamp41 · 2015-07-14T01:03:14+00:00

I can see a legitimate argument against this app as it would not take withdrawn consent into account, and it could be argued that using this app enables someone to do whatever they want afterwards since they have physical evidence that consent was given.

deegan87 · 2015-07-14T03:34:42+00:00

I hate to agree with the crazies in any way, but I do see genuine dangerous potential in this.

What if the couple is having sex and the mag starts choking or hitting the woman while she screams for him to stop?

That has become rape, consent tape be damned.

skankstro · 2015-07-14T08:31:09+00:00

This can be a dangerous app. Because consent can change really at any time before and during, it's like a video contract for sex.

As someone who was falsely accused of rape, I like the idea but there's gotta be a way to maintain the knowledge that they both consent.

Tmomp · 2015-07-13T16:52:59+00:00

Moderate business contracts take several rounds of clarifying what important terms mean, duration, etc.

Someone thinks a contract involving sex, risk of disease, pregnancy, etc can be worked out in a few seconds of talking to a camera?

I guess the app works in the fantasy where the laws motivating it work. People believed prohibiting alcohol would stop drinking too. I wish they wouldn't impose their fantasies on others through the legal system. I wish they spent as much time thinking of what unintended results their laws might create.

GoogleOgvorbis · 2015-07-13T19:42:39+00:00

The apps are stupid anyway. A woman can simply say she was coerced into making the video. She can say that the man simply did acts to her to which she did not agree. It's a total waste of time.

outcastded · 2015-07-13T19:51:22+00:00

There are so many things weird about this app. First of all, you don't need an app to record a consent video. All phones have video cameras nowadays. Has there been a problem with people making consent videos that were not good enough? I doubt it. I doubt a lot of people have been making videos with consent in the first place.

Making a video of consent sounds more or less like a variation of the joke that "people should have a written and signed consent before sex." Writing a consent is probably simpler.

As I understand it, some of the criticism is that someone can still be raped, even though she/he consented at first. It's a valid point. If a person changed his/hers mind mid-foreplay or mid-sex, that person should be respected. That video doesn't protect against such a scenario. All false allegations could probably just change to "I changed my mind mid sex, and then I was raped."

The only real proof would be to have constant video surveillance, with sound, in the bedroom.

UndeadTurning · 2015-07-13T21:04:05+00:00

But what if they say no after the recording, and someone rapes them or something? Is the court just gonna let it go because they said yes on camera? What a stupid app.

Crowbar_Abortion · 2015-07-13T20:52:52+00:00

Introducing the "D.E.N.N.I.S." app. When your on our app, your always recorded.

BruceCampbell123 · 2015-07-14T16:23:23+00:00

There would be outrage over something like this these days.

eggoChicken · 2015-07-13T23:36:48+00:00

False rape accusers aside. This app is kind of stupid. It's still rape even if consent is given and then 20 seconds later she changes her mind. This might maybe help in a case where a girl pretends to have never said she was down to pound, but I can't imagine it would make a tidal wave of difference.

This app is just as pointless as a fart simulator.

geniice · 2015-07-13T21:49:26+00:00

Believing anything you read in the daily mail. Not even once.

spacedogg · 2015-07-14T02:37:59+00:00

When is it rape-a-feminist day?

Feminist outrage over new phone app which allows users to video their date agreeing to sex to protect them against rape claims

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Title	Feminist outrage over new phone app which allows users to video their date agreeing to sex to protect them against rape claims
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