Link : https://robkhenderson.substack.com/p/no-one-expects-young-men-to-do-anything
This article talks about how men respond to their environment, and what is expected of them, and what their motivations are (in general).
Since dropping a relationship at the drop of a hat is considered a-ok, men will do that.
Since there is no pressure towards having stable 2 parent households, men will abandon them too.
Here's an excerpt:
In a fascinating 2012 paper titled Sexual Economics, Culture, Men, and Modern Sexual Trends, the psychologists Roy Baumeister and Kathleen Vohs wrote:
“Although this may be considered an unflattering characterization…we have found no evidence to contradict the basic general principle that men will do whatever is required in order to obtain sex, and perhaps not a great deal more. (One of us characterized this in a previous work as, ‘If women would stop sleeping with jerks, men would stop being jerks.’) If in order to obtain sex men must become pillars of the community, or lie, or amass riches by fair means or foul, or be romantic or funny, then many men will do precisely that.”
And this is why extensive courtship is dead. In conservative parts of the world, sex was mostly in the confines of a marriage, so men were fine with courting women for long periods. Now? 3rd date sex or gtfo.
Women can rail all they want, unless they are beautiful, men will not wait 3 months to fuck, knowing she blew some dude in a club one night.
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They are free to do so just as I’m free to reconsider them as an option and move on. I have no interest in burdening a man with lifelong monogamy and would rather date a man who actively wants that just as much as I do.
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The most desirable of men are few. The women that think they are on the same level as said men are many. This is where the disparity starts.
Most women have to choose Billy beta, share a desirable man (if he is even into that), or they get nothing.
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That's not fundamental to the male condition. It's a modern social construct. Parents and teachers have greatly lowered their expectations of boys, so there's less motivating them to grow.
Men do respond to expectations from other men that have nothing to do with sex (strict fathers, coaches, military leaders). However these influences are sorely lacking for modern boys.
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That’s ridiculous. Humans have been opining about love for literally thousands of years. But you, mr ten year old blackpill cult member, amount to more than all of that experience. I’ve been in love for 21 years. You couldn’t be more wrong. I’m sorry you will never experience it.
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Marriage being about the context of two loving partners is a modern day context. In the past marriages were for business reasons / combining families.
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Totally untrue. Love is ancient. The ideal of marriage being about true love is tens of thousands of years old. Today you are far more likely to achieve it, the best marriages of today are better than they’ve ever been, but love has been around forever.
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Someone is really living in a Disney fantasy land… and it’s so sad to see
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I have been in mad love with my husband for 21 years. It doesn’t get more real than that.
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Yea but how much housework does your husband do? 😂
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About 75%, truth be told, these days anyway. Why?
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If you’re madly in love with him, you’ll do that whole “second-shift” thing
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“The best marriages of today are better than they’ve ever been”…and yet there is a 40-50% divorce rate. Sounds to me like a lot of people nowadays aren’t “more likely to achieve it”. I’m glad your own personal situation has worked out well, but the institution of marriage in the modern West is not exactly having its golden age.
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This became unnecessarily hostile
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How so? Please.
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Going "I'm sorry you will never experience" instead of "I'm sorry you haven't experienced it" makes it clear that this was more of a roast than a discussion in your mind.
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He says he doesn’t believe in love. How would he experience it? He would simply reject or dismiss it instead.
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"Happiness exists. I'm sorry you will never be happy but..." is not something you say to a person in a bad place mentally that you hope may one day find happiness, it's something you say to someone who has no hope of finding happiness regardless of what happens to their mentality.
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Dude, using your metaphor, he doesn’t even believe happiness exists.
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And were you trying to convince someone who will never get happiness that other people get to have it or trying to convince a cynic that there is goodness in the world?
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Yawn. Another "why aren't women fucking loser nice guys" post.
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We wanna get laid. Way more than you do. We can still appreciate you for other things. But that usually starts after you bang us. What value do most women give a guy besides that atm? Companionship? Cause a ton of women (especially where i work) will complain about how much they hate men, how gender roles are dead, and how they will never do anything for a man. Why would a man wanna put up with that?
Meanwhile guys are still expected to adhere to their gender role, be a gentleman to get sex/relationships, and to respect all women intrinsically. I have a coworker who’s a good friend, who constantly says “I hate men”. And the worst part is- these women reward me when I show the behavior that is the opposite of what they claim to like. Being an asshole works. Calling them on their bullshit works. Being a gentleman, by and large does not get you into relationships and laid anymore. I’ve done both.
And i’m not claiming that most men are better than women, or that they’re not guilty of the same thing. But our faults have been clear as day for some time now.
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Pretty much.
If you want to change this behaviour, you have to incentivise this change.
You will not be able to shame, persuade, convince men to, well, at least, not forever.
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Very True, nobody cares about doing things for the betterment of the community as there really is no community. Your bound to your blood and the sad reality is your significant other is your blood, their just your partner.
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