Women hate being treated as a resource that is handed out for good behavior.

First-Ad-4314 · 2023-07-18T19:35:49+00:00

Lmao at all the deleted comments

AlmostKindaGreat · 2023-07-18T20:02:04+00:00

The disappointment men experience is due to the disconnect between expectations stated to them and reality.

Mainstream consensus: If a man is kind, respectful, well-behaved, and not toxic he will have no problems finding romance just by interacting with women socially.

Reality: Kindness, respect, and good behavior do nothing to initially attract women. They are merely baseline expectations.

So yeah, guys thought good behavior was enough to attract women, because we were told that. This is what creates the disillusionment and bitterness. Then there are the backlash and accusations of entitlement against these guys for expressing their bitterness. And there should be backlash for bad behavior but these guys are not set up for success.

flosterjenkins · 2023-07-18T22:34:51+00:00

I'm kind of shocked that PPD put up this somewhat reasonable take and it's coming from /u/Johnny_Autism

Even-Equivalent · 2023-07-19T13:09:01+00:00

I disagree. Women seem to hand themselves out for good genes rather than good behaviour. Which in terms of substance is completely soulless and effortless.

Women give said geneticslly blessed guy free attention. More chances to fuck up. More sex or sex at all basically for something he has barely had to develop anything for and expect him or hope that he's a nice to decent person. Its insane. The main issue is how many women are opposed to admit this is what they subconsciously do.

JollyRoger66689 · 2023-07-18T18:14:36+00:00

Women are the ones that keep lying to men about how important their personality and how "good" they are matters.

I actually agree with you, men should not listen to that BS and honestly just work on having a better life with or without a woman

KillerCroc40 · 2023-07-18T23:03:13+00:00

Yes, we know women aren't paragons of virtue, like not even close.
Women don't enjoy sex nearly as much as men do and they know this. Women use sex as a resource and they do hand it out for certain behavior.
Sex has everything to do with reproduction and our survival as a species. Single mother homes are overwhelmingly responsible for producing violent criminals. Naturally people are concerned about broken families created by poor choices of sex partners, I don't want to get killed in a carjacking because Independent Woman #145920 couldn't keep her legs shut and instead raised a felon.

Honestly, my problem isn't that women have sex with whoever they want to - that's up to them - my problem is that they don't want to deal with the consequences.

Go ahead and sleep with as many men as you want to in your 20's, but don't blame or shame men for caring about your body count when you want to "settle down" in your 30's.

Otherwise-Olive-4771 · 2023-07-18T16:19:00+00:00

use sex to get what you want from men
men value your for sex and do things for you to get it
why do men see sex with women as a reward surprise-picahu-face

women of ppd collectively share one brain cell

ThrowAwayHuman122333 · 2023-07-18T16:16:58+00:00

Sorry but women shoot themselves in the foot here by using sex as leverage, so if they don't want to be treated as a resource that is handed out for good behavior, then they should stop doing it to themselves first.

RedBullfrog · 2023-07-18T19:49:33+00:00

Stating that women don’t use sex as leverage is probably the stupidest thing ever written in this sub. And that says a lot

SaintVersace · 2023-07-18T19:34:16+00:00

the thing is women dont view sex an equal value exchange

1010111_ · 2023-07-18T17:01:58+00:00

Bro what

Leyoniflowers · 2023-07-18T16:54:19+00:00

it’s really the guys tht have nothing going on that’s really interested in women’s choices and who there sleeping w and why it couldn’t be them

Ohmaygahh · 2023-07-18T19:51:17+00:00

Ok here's the thing, growing up it was :

Women only had sex with men they were in love with; that was wrong Women only have sex with guys they like; that was wrong ok, Women only have sex with guys who are considerate and respectful ... that was wrong. Ok ok, women only have sex with men she is interested in dating "seriously", only if it's leading towards a committed monogamous long term relationship with ... that was wrong too.

So women have sex with men... at random. And so, men have to be random.

Naebany · 2023-07-19T05:20:40+00:00

I think treating women as resources and "giving them away" is disgusting BUT considering how fucked current dating market is and how social media fucked women over it makes you think that maybe arranged marriages, enforced monogamy by church etc wasn't really such fucked up thing. Since it kinda worked.

totallyworkinghere · 2023-07-18T15:47:50+00:00

woke anti-age gap rabble rousers -- are bothered by women having consensual sex with 'the wrong type of men'

No, it's that the sex between age gaps is far less likely to be consensual and can attract actual predators. A young woman sleeping with an older man who has no control over her finances or career is fine. A man who explicitly says he wants to control a naive younger woman's income so she's dependent on him is not.

SoulBadguy0408 · 2023-07-18T20:00:00+00:00

I don't think this is at all surprising. I wouldn't expect women to make their choices in partners purely on good behavior or to distribute themselves equally.

However, I think this only boosts the validity of certain complaints because as much as people wanna argue against it there's no reason women wouldn't all want to date the top 20%+ of guys even if a lot of young men have to be single because that's not women's problem

DarmakJalad · 2023-07-18T23:33:16+00:00

Much of the aversion to age gaps is that it plays into the women as a resource exchanged for good behavior concept.

We know that women tend to be much less attracted to and have a harder time socially connecting with older men. The advantage that older men have over younger men is that if they engaged in relatively “good behavior”/worked hard, they will have more money than young men… and given the chance, some want young women in exchange for their investments.

There’s other reasons for the aversion to age gaps, but they are less pertinent to your post.

Da_Famous_Anus · 2023-07-19T06:14:58+00:00

This explains why some women end up with men who don't treat them very well.

They're not paragons of virtue that distribute themselves equitably for good behavior.

Okay. But, what makes you think men aren't monitoring YOUR behavior? Perhaps it's a good thing for you to attempt to be virtuous yourself is it not? Are you saying you reserve the right to be as bad as you wanna be? (How is this a good look for you?)

How is it that we're able to offer endless critiques of male virtue and patriarchy if we have no conversation with virtues ourselves?

Sounds like feminists don't want things to be equal because this is a just cause, rather they simply want enough power to be dirtbags the same way that some elite men are.

If you have no relationship with virtue at all, then I'm done with feminism.

And everyone else should be.

Because feminism is based on the principle that we should live in a world that is more equal and just to all people. If you do not stand for virtue, then you do not stand for feminism. What you stand for is woman-ism. You choose.

conservatives slutshame

Women slutshame eachother as a form of intrasexual competition. Some of the biggest slutshamers are actually other women.

from Peterson's "enforced monogamy" to woke anti-age gap rabble rousers ...

I will agree with you here. Though I also think it's very strawman to paint any disagreement with your worldview as Jordan Peterson. He's a clown and a drug addict. No one of any real intellectual substance takes him seriously at all.

So, if you're saying that any alternative to your point of view = Jordan Peterson, then that's pretty cracked. No one really gives a shit about what Jordan Peterson says or thinks aside from weak minded teenagers who've never read anything.

SecondEldenLord · 2023-07-19T06:59:02+00:00

Nice guys do understand that, but if they do not get with the girl, they have every right to not talk to the girl anymore. And I think anyone can agree that good deeds that are awarded with punishments can be annoying.
Attraction does follow some logic: they are attracted to objectively hot men. Objectively speaking, men who are taller, have a better jawline, better hair, muscular physique, rich, are attractive to women, that is universal.
Slutshaming should be brought back because promiscuity not only ruin's a woman's mental health, but also her chances in getting a healthy relationship and partner. And they don't really infantilize women that much, they more likely accuse adult men as pedophiles for going for young adult women.

Superdunez · 2023-07-19T02:56:17+00:00

I agree. Women are all individual people, making choices that no one has the right to judge them for.

But here's where the disconnect is for me, society views male abusers as a problem for all men. We are constantly told that we need to "do better," or maybe that it's not "all men, but enough of us." If we're not allowed to have an opinion on the women that choose bad men, are we absolved of that responsibility? Is it still men's fault when a woman who has had a string of abusive partners, also thinks hand tattoos and fast cars are attractive traits?

rolanddes1 · 2023-07-19T05:12:00+00:00

You are definetely right on all accounts. But you do not need to bother yourself with those. Because even if there is a very small group of people who hopes things to be reverted to those times, it will never be mainstream again. Because men now learned the facts that women knew all along. That being nice has nothing to do with (sometimes even goes against) having luck with women. This was not the case even 20 years ago. Men are enlightened now. Men behave how ever they want. They do not aspire to be nice or even build solid relationships. Instead we are just having casual, attachment free, responsibility free string of women in our lives. And we are loving every minute of it.

Workaholiconew · 2023-07-18T20:20:41+00:00

Here is the thing... women are not objects... women are just the owners of the objects men want. pussy. If men could separate one from the other, and buy a pussy, they would.

philseven12 · 2023-07-18T20:31:20+00:00

yeah, how dare the dude be “noice”. she’d much rather have a tall and handsome dude run circles around her, kick her out to bring a new girl in to fuck and rip the door off the hinges every time he’s ready to come back and smash.

that’s how u treat a lady. those evil noice guys are so manipulative…

macone235 · 2023-07-19T01:26:50+00:00

What is wrong about wanting equality between the sexes? Humans also don't have free-will.

I think the biggest thing to point out is that women like to act virtuous and that all inequality in society is a product of their own suffering when it is not. There might be more inequality between men and women, but there is more inequality between men than there is between women. This is a product of female hypergamy which women don't just vehemently ignore or pretend doesn't exist while they're advocating for equality between the sexes, but are actively working against by promoting propaganda insinuating they act in the exact opposite manner.

That is what enrages men the most. Not only are they being passed over, but then they are being lied to about it as well, so that women can make themselves out to be better than they actually are. They're not "the good sex".

MisterX9821 · 2023-07-19T01:03:08+00:00

I feel like these points are obvious. Where the disconnect comes in is where they consistently date the same type of guy and the COMPLAIN about all men due to their bad experiences.

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No-Lime-6584 · 2023-07-18T20:45:03+00:00

"paragons of virtue"

Never heard a man call women that.

"from Peterson's "enforced monogamy" to woke anti-age gap rabble rousers -- are bothered by women having consensual sex with 'the wrong type of men'"

Enforced monogamy is a misnomer on Peterson's part, if you listen to his actual cultural idea its more like incentivized monagamy.

Women can do whatever the fuck they please. I have no control over them. I just make it clear at every opportunity they also have no control over me.

Fichek · 2023-07-19T08:28:07+00:00

Women want to get a pick of who gets to them as a resource.

gntlbastard · 2023-07-19T18:22:31+00:00

Treat women like a commodity. Only way forward in the modern dating world.

Think_gawd · 2023-07-21T16:07:12+00:00

Men have an obligation to society and nation. Women do not anymore.

Title	Women hate being treated as a resource that is handed out for good behavior.
Author	Johnny_Autism
Upvotes	90
Comments	290
Date	July 18, 2023 3:27 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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