Would redditors benefit from a 15 minute conversation with an actual woman?

AngeloMacon · 2022-07-18T14:05:24+00:00

Half the guys on here would benefit the most by making a friend first before worrying about a girlfriend. Good for them for identifying they have a problem and trying to fix it. But there's no quick fix for people who skipped years of socializing as a kid or teenager.

stanthemilkman88 · 2022-07-18T12:22:10+00:00

I think a real life conversation with anyone would help some of these dudes.

pottttatttto · 2022-07-18T14:04:39+00:00

M’ lady

TastyCash4 · 2022-07-18T14:00:03+00:00

OP this is a kind sentiment, so I don't think you deserve some of the negativity you are getting here.

That said, I think there is an inherent asymmetry in dating for the male and female experience, as well as for attractive and plain people. I think it takes a lot of empathy and close experience to bridge the understanding needed. To understand most of the men of this sub's experience requires a perspective that young women are the least likely to possess being the ones with greatest bargaining power on the market.

I think the existence of a lot of the frustrated young men here is a symptom of weak fatherhood for a whole generation of men. Whether its lack of involvement or just the break up of the nuclear family, I suspect a lot of the most frustrated men here did not have a very involved male figure growing up.

Mr-Mayhemm · 2022-07-18T17:42:37+00:00

For me it took 7 months of working at my part time job that’s 80% women employees and all around my age group (18-21) for me to be comfortable and not nervous talking to girls my age and having a long conversation easily.

Before that I could barely talk to a girl and now I have girl-friends at my job and them wanting to talk to me not work related and me being able to joke with them so I improved wonders. It takes time and practice you can’t rush it so a 15 minute conversation wouldn’t do anything unless they do it everyday consistently.

Starving_Vampires · 2022-07-18T13:33:43+00:00

I think it’s a good idea. I don’t have the confidence to speak to most women I see in public. Maybe some advice on what to do/say on an approach without coming off as a creep.

Shox187 · 2022-07-18T13:48:14+00:00

Where is the clitoris

feudalism98 · 2022-07-18T16:35:36+00:00

What were the most important lessons you learned in your dating course? Something that will be applicable to both men and woman, thanks

Also, What are the key characterists of men who you find attractive, outside of looks, and do you have recommendations on how to obtain these outside of the generic responses?

Lastly, like you said in your last statement, what are the main reasons woman leave relationships or don't take it to the next level with guys? What do your female friends say outside of there was no spark or other platitudes?

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zdpastaman · 2022-07-18T18:42:08+00:00

from what I've seen most redditors need to work on their soul

great_account · 2022-07-18T12:55:26+00:00

They would but most people have their head in their ass so it might not actually change anything.

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-07-18T12:40:38+00:00

You are a real human female woman?

CocoBabeNYC · 2022-07-18T15:04:53+00:00

Common guys, this is your chance to talk to a real life female woman.

FranciscotheBull · 2022-07-18T19:30:30+00:00

I am only speaking in general terms and not saying it is everyone. Just as a disclaimer.

Guys typically don't have a problem making friends. A lot of guys get rejected from dates for whatever reason. (Women have the right to not go out with someone and guys should respect their decision and reason regardless of what it is) Guys typically don't get a lot of compliments.

I think the dating market changed a throughout the years. I can only speak for myself, but a lot of the times I approach a woman, I get a number and get ghosted, ask me for money (being their "sponsor" or wire money to their account), or just getting a rude response. Not all women I approach do this, but enough do it to not make it go unnoticed. I honestly don't care for people who ghost me because I will not invest time and energy in someone who won't do the same for me. For the ones who ask me for money, I instantly tell them "no" and block them. For the rude ones, it shows their true character and wouldn't want that in my life and don't know them personally so I won't make any judgment on them.

I think both genders have their roles in the dating market. Some guys don't know how to take rejection and when to walk away. At the same time some women give mixed messages on how to be approached so most guys don't know how or when to approach a woman without being considered "weird" or "creepy".

I also want to say, a lot of guys are nice guys (including myself), but have boundaries, but when the legit nice guys set a boundary, they aren't nice guys. While it is true some guys will be nice at first and then show their true colors later, but that is not all guys and those guys who masks being nice are immature and put the actual nice guys as bad people. I believe everyone has boundaries and some of them you should never cross.

As to the question, I think it is good to have an open and mature discussion so that everyone knows what is going on. It is fair to look at the viewpoint of other people.

Optymistyk · 2022-07-18T13:46:44+00:00

I'd be interested to talk about it with women if we can agree to keep the conversation sincere and to the point. I feel like many women are dishonest on this topic to avoid taboos or to appear virtuous

Klcna2 · 2022-07-18T14:25:10+00:00

The shitty attitude in the comments kind of proves why these people aren’t attracting others.

2022-07-18T14:16:37+00:00

This sub is more focused on getting results which generally means focusing on what women are actually choosing rather than what they verbally say they want. That can only be learned through experience and experimentation.

It can be useful to hear one woman’s perspective on her specific interactions with men though

RSNK10 · 2022-07-18T14:54:09+00:00

1 conversation with a female isn’t going to do a lot tbh. Lots of people on this sub would benefit more by going outside lol

Faux_bog · 2022-07-18T14:55:20+00:00

Would love to meet you half way and talk things out.... Would be great benefit for all of us and clarify much doubts

Calamity__Bane · 2022-07-18T14:14:05+00:00

Most people here wouldn’t, but there are some who would definitely benefit from real-time feedback from their target demographic.

4goodluck · 2022-07-18T16:18:13+00:00

g…..GIRL!!

smolspag · 2022-07-18T13:39:29+00:00

while u guys may think is isnt real….. yall could benefit

bigm5995 · 2022-07-18T15:12:18+00:00

I'm down for it if you make an ama or if you want you can just hit me up and we can voice chat

Arnoski · 2022-07-18T15:56:56+00:00

So this is totally something I can get behind, as I regularly tell people that they need to make friends of the opposite sex for the sake of deconditioning and reconditioning socialized responses - good idea!

desal · 2022-07-18T16:14:00+00:00

ignore any negativity! you are awesome and more people than you know would benefit from your help. I can see this being a recurring thing that you could continue to do and help more and more people.

incompetech · 2022-07-18T22:22:51+00:00

These sad men, and incels would benefit from getting involved in activities where they interact with other people. Social programs, workshops, shit a good old fashioned party. They'd learn quickly they need to adjust or they'd either double down and go deeper into incel ideology. Either way the answer is go outside, touch grass and interact with other people.

Scrub_Beefwood · 2022-07-18T12:53:33+00:00

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cronasminate · 2022-07-18T17:30:19+00:00

After 2 hours of talking\* So anyways that will be about $200, at my current rate.

This shit won't teach you anything other than keep having arranged conversations. Learning the skill of managing anxiety and conversation skills while diving into non-transactional spontaneous reciprocal verbal exchange is what you need.

Not some other coaching session.

Cantsleepperson · 2022-07-18T15:33:15+00:00

That would help. How do we set it up?

lostintheoverworld · 2022-07-19T00:18:09+00:00

Women’s dating advice can all be categorized as follows…it sounds good but doesn’t work!

redditthrowaway1478 · 2022-07-19T03:53:03+00:00

Bitch just seduced all of you with this BS post lmao

This is like grandmaster level seduction ngl

She's probably getting DMs for her onlyfans as fools comment here agreeing with her.

Well played OP. Enjoy dat free attention because this was actually a pretty clever post

hagakurejunkie · 2022-07-18T17:24:40+00:00

As a whole, women don’t really know what gets them going and what doesn’t. Men don’t really know either and it’s hard to explain it.

I’ve talked to women who were crazy about their man at first but now he’s such a turn-off and they feel terrible and they don’t know what happened.

There are countless female dating coaches on youtube specifically attempting to help men and they all seem to have mixed results.

Its not sexist; as a guy, I wouldn’t be able to give good advice to a woman on how to attract a man either.

YouGotTangoed · 2022-07-18T15:08:11+00:00

Is this r/dating ?

BlueberryObvious · 2022-07-18T15:23:04+00:00

I guess you’re selling something. But yeah we could always do with direct advice with women. Problem is you’re never direct with us, always indirect and cryptic

MO_drps_knwldg · 2022-07-18T14:36:50+00:00

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Grappleheart · 2022-07-18T12:41:04+00:00

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mk8gticiri · 2022-07-18T16:49:33+00:00

what course did u do

Ayowhat12 · 2022-07-18T21:11:10+00:00

Good take op! Working on myself is what comes first, after that everything else will fall in line

opper-hombre1 · 2022-07-18T21:53:39+00:00

Sounds cringe af

ValentPerspective · 2022-07-19T16:13:40+00:00

You know the rules

Optymistyk · 2022-08-01T23:09:55+00:00

Hi, I'm late to the party, I've been so busy I forgot about this whole thing

I've seen your video and I think it is very cool of you that you've decided to share your viewpoint. I would like to see a part 2 if it ever happens.

If I may suggest something, I think you should try to better understand the root of the problem that brought so many men here - and tackle this issue directly

See, the main group of men on this sub - I think - are people who are lonely and very confused about female sexuality. This includes me, actually. So even mentioning anything to do with relationships is useless, because we don't usually get to a point where a relationship is attainable.

I think what most men are here for is to learn how to be more sexually desirable for women. Because if you're like me, you may have a lot of female friends and acquaintances, and they may greatly enjoy spending time with you; but if they don't want to be intimate with you then there can be no relationship.

And this is extremely confusing, because women can seem almost like they have no need for intimacy themselves. It is extremely confusing what makes the difference between "just friends" and something more. Besides looks, obviously

ResponsibilityOk5490 · 2022-07-18T16:26:43+00:00

Tits or GTFO

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Yo I’m just kidding, that’s a very nice suggestion, although I’m suspicious of talking to internet strangers. You could be some kind of dark web drug dealer lmao

throwMeAwayTa · 2022-07-18T15:16:27+00:00

Yes!

I'm in a relationship now, but would have loved an actual "you need to do this" and "don't do that", "i feel more attracted to men who do such and such...".

With some dating help I had, I did have a short mock-date. Unfortunately I think the woman doing it was a bit hung-over and just told me I was doing fine - my real life results suggested otherwise.

I am fine at talking to women, I'm generally terrible at talking to women in a way that's different to talking to a guy - that gets them desiring me, generally it's more the opposite. I went on a hell of a lot of dates that were "no sparks".

Nullroute127 · 2022-07-18T17:22:10+00:00

I would say that on the average it's difficult for women to give actionable advice to men. The advice is generally designed to make men feel better about a situation, vs direct advice that may be uncomfortable.

The typical advice men get in media/others is that you need to be "nice." This turns men into doormats that only exploitative women are interested in. Being "Kind' is a virtue, but just means you can give and demand respect.

There's IMO an ethical concern about advising men (or anyone) on things unless you're very sure you're steering them in the right direction.

I'm not sure what value speaking to you would provide. Most men are OK with talking to women as a general idea. Where many struggle is talking to women they are attracted to - it's a different dynamic.

countsunny · 2022-07-18T13:38:10+00:00

They need a gym membership and a copy of How to Think Like a Roman Emperor.

Kadabrium · 2022-07-18T18:28:22+00:00

Wow the classic fishing fish

Scrub_Beefwood · 2022-07-20T22:52:13+00:00

I've made a quick (not that quick) video to address the first couple of questions on this thread: https://youtu.be/-4lRcFTLyoI

Thank you to the people who inboxed me, sorry I've not yet got round to answering everyone.

I'll try to make time to set up some one-to-one conversations. Meantime, feel free to drop me any extra Qs (preferably reply to this comment)

WanyCaleb · 2022-07-18T14:58:46+00:00

At this point, I'll take it!

notgetdeleted · 2022-07-18T19:06:42+00:00

I would rly appreciate it!

MrBlack__ · 2022-07-18T14:11:26+00:00

ScaryPerformance3872 · 2022-07-18T16:06:23+00:00

Some people are assholes about their thoughts. Don't mind their cynisim. This is what being brainwashed by alpha male shit every day does to a mofo.

Thank you for the offer anyway, but what some have brought up is, unfortunately, true: women don't have the same requirements to date as men.

That said, it's still pretty interesting to have the opposite sex's point of view on our "strategies".

Some people are assholes about their thoughts. Don't mind their cynicism. This is what being brainwashed by alpha male shit every day does to a mofo..ide their self-worth problems and the alpha shit didn't help lol. I am in no way a saint, but goddamn, men are lost between simps and incels (including those who come here claiming they are banging 10/10 strippers everyday" and other fantasizers). nowadays, women are either angels or devils, to some people.

beauWILDBROOK · 2022-07-18T15:18:56+00:00

Hi! Yes I think this is a good idea. I don't have problems talking with women. I love women I think they are all adorable, but I'm very interested in what you learned in your dating course. I am 37 so when I was in high school and most of college people didn't text as much, Facebook just got invented and it was for college students only my girlfriend at the time created my account. I am more comfortable and confident talking in person to a girl rather than text. I need help on texting and social media. I would love to talk to you about that!

Hook_me_up · 2022-07-18T17:50:53+00:00

Any seduction tip coming from a female is irrelevant

No_Interest_5818 · 2022-07-18T13:21:21+00:00

I feel like they already have books that can do this.

FreeBowlPack · 2022-07-19T03:56:55+00:00

Many people still need to understand that you can have platonic relationships with the opposite sex and both be cis.

Scrub_Beefwood · 2022-07-18T13:17:58+00:00

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IfYouKnowThenYouKnow · 2022-07-18T19:42:45+00:00

LOOL 😆😆😈😈

Fellas...fisherman don’t learn to catch fish from the fish. While her intentions are probably pure, women will give you advice that’ll stagnate you. If you want to learn to get women...you go out there are and try...

Scrub_Beefwood · 2022-07-18T15:01:04+00:00

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jjboy91 · 2022-07-18T19:47:04+00:00

If you have the answer to why girls like my company but will never date me because of my ethnicity then I am all ears

MrColfax · 2022-07-19T03:39:26+00:00

This sub usually recommends guys hit the gym.

Question: do girls like that?

MickIsBlue · 2022-08-16T19:49:40+00:00

No you idiot

Ginekolog93 · 2022-07-18T13:02:42+00:00

Its my first week here and i already fingerbanged like 5 chicks

Environmental_Cress2 · 2022-07-18T15:13:43+00:00

what are your thoughts on my most recent post?

megamorphg · 2022-07-18T16:39:44+00:00

I'd be curious though I expect the advice to be very basic and not addressing the irreconcilable difference in sexual strategy between males and females.

akabayashimizuki · 2022-07-18T17:13:16+00:00

What was the course?

jaypb182 · 2022-07-18T17:13:28+00:00

I'd be interested for sure.

Goulronk · 2022-07-18T18:53:26+00:00

I believe it would be a great way to gauge issues.

I personally don't have an issue with speaking to people but I've also never had any woman consider me attractive before so I can't really claim there are no issues at all obviously.

Social_cynicism · 2022-07-18T19:13:47+00:00

I really don't think so, the more I talk to people about my problems the more is clear to me that they have never been in this situation at all.

KristieR1969 · 2022-07-18T19:25:34+00:00

Here’s a funny funny- I posted a comment on Walmart’s Facebook page- my messenger is getting blown up from the fellas now… They Most Definitely need help with the Ladies if your trying to get Lucky off a darn Walmart complaint comment… I ain’t no Walmart special… ROFLMMFAO… They just be THIRSTY…

CookieReaper-_- · 2022-07-18T19:40:19+00:00

That definitely would be very helpful to lotta dudes out there.

Scrub_Beefwood · 2022-07-18T20:59:51+00:00

I think they would most benefit from a mock date where the goal is to flirt back and forth.

Pastakingfifth · 2022-07-18T21:42:15+00:00

How was your dating course? Can you give some details, that's interesting.

ordinaryrabb1t · 2022-07-18T21:45:16+00:00

First lesson, never take advice from a girl about how to get girls. They don’t know what they want

Pretend_Tadpole8833 · 2022-07-18T21:45:45+00:00

OH YES, GUYS WILL BENEFIT, ENDING UP MORE CONFUSED THAN BEFORE! WE ARE JUST NOT IN THAT ERA ANYMORE!

Lifedeather · 2022-07-18T22:38:53+00:00

No, all you’ll get are creeps, weirdos, unwanted sexual advances and more. Let them find out and explore irl, everyone’s situations are different. This is like giving them a fish that will disappear in 15 minutes of false hope they can get more fishes by themselves and them not knowing how to fish.

getyahfuckingyeeted · 2022-07-18T22:56:14+00:00

Yeah I think that'd be pretty good for most guys on this sub

I on the other hand just need to figure out how small talk works/how to skip it, and how to gauge/display interest

TheSummerViking · 2022-07-18T23:08:34+00:00

Not really. Unless I mistook this community and it's really just a bunch of socially inept men who don't know any women. In which case, yes, they probably would benefit from talking to a woman.

Miguel_Legacy · 2022-07-18T23:33:02+00:00

I just want to know why women agree to go on a date with me, we plan it, and then nothing happens. Or we "reschedule" once or twice then boom, ghost. Makes 0 sense.

Ur_X · 2022-07-19T00:31:58+00:00

I’d be down to pick your brain

jackedsoon · 2022-07-19T01:46:40+00:00

wouldnt do much for them

mentor7 · 2022-07-19T01:49:41+00:00

Would totally join such a chat. Great idea! (You do it, I hope you have a way to record and offer replays for any of us who might not be able to make the time you have it).

Even people who think they know most of the basics or have it altogether, can always learn something new by engaging in a conversation! Or if not, maybe they could help somebody else with their knowledge

Puzzleheaded-Ad8631 · 2022-07-19T03:04:06+00:00

I’ve sent you a dm

thatshinobiboiii · 2022-07-19T03:29:39+00:00

Yes. Absolutely. If I could have a sit down with a woman and explain my issues regarding then it would help tremendously

apex_pretador · 2022-07-19T04:17:58+00:00

For me, I think yes that would be immensely beneficial.

OP, if you do ,please let me know

No_Fan6078 · 2022-07-19T04:54:20+00:00

good idea, it could be nice to learn about what are those topics that most of women like to talk, to connect easier with them.

ImPrettynice · 2022-07-19T05:04:42+00:00

No, talking to women makes me nervous

FightForDemocracyNow · 2022-07-19T05:09:04+00:00

Ok? I'm always down for feedback.

PeaCapable6485 · 2022-07-19T05:20:16+00:00

I can't speak for everyone but I believe I would benefit from that and I'm 36

Ryzasu · 2022-07-19T05:44:48+00:00

Sent you a DM

Existing-Ad6731 · 2022-07-19T10:40:32+00:00

You should do this on blitzr.com. It’s free and sets up five minute one in one rounds. You can set it up for women on one side men on the other and it starts and ends video conversations based on time. No awkward getting out of convo it just ends it. Happy to help anyone set it up. Totally free platform for this if you do less than two events a month or something.

ChadWolf98 · 2022-07-19T13:07:18+00:00

yes I think a semi professional talk would do good for most people. Even me actually, there is always room for improvement. the anonymity also helps

Optymistyk · 2022-07-20T08:52:55+00:00

So is this a thing still or not happening?

canoodlebug · 2022-07-30T09:31:59+00:00

You’re getting a ton of responses and I doubt you can answer them all, so, anyone reading this, if you want advice I’d be open to answering questions too.

There’s a LOT of bad advice out there. I have experience coaching others on interpersonal issues, so I’d love to clear things up for y’all

Title	Would redditors benefit from a 15 minute conversation with an actual woman?
Author	Scrub_Beefwood
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Date	July 18, 2022 12:10 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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