Manosphere contradictions

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-02-26T16:06:28+00:00

It’s the philosophy of “I got mine.” They don’t really care if pumping and dumping a girl increases her n-count and “ruins” her for her future husband. They got what they wanted. When what they want changes (from ONS to LTR) they’ll change their criteria.

WilliamWyattD · 2024-02-26T16:22:52+00:00

Point one isn't necessarily a contradiction, and a couple of different arguments have been grouped together.

The manosphere point is that you do not want a woman who is basically not desirous of you, but has had her party fun and now you are her best stability option. So generally such men have no problem waiting for sex IF she made every other guy wait for sex just as long, if not longer.

What is worrying is when she fucked a lot of guys on date 1, but made you wait for 3 months. I get that there could be many reasons for this that do not equate to her having had more raw desire for the guy she fucked right away. Maybe she was young, drunk and stupid then. In a manic mood. Whatever. But it is hard for the guys to know that. It could also be that she wanted sex with that guy a lot more than she wants sex with you.

Safinated · 2024-02-26T16:19:13+00:00

People are allowed to be selfish hypocrites

And they will be criticized and judged for it

Seems fine to me, as long as they’re not forcing anyone to do anything

Sillkentofu · 2024-02-26T16:30:27+00:00

I honestly think a large portion of this rhetoric comes from men who are near virgins and they expect the women they are into to be the same (despite being largely more desirable than they are)

Me and my current bf both have n-counts that I see people on here put in the “eww I would never touch her” range. But Tbf I have never had an issue with securing commitment from men at a similar range. By 25 even a long term relationship every year since 18 is going to rack your body count up, and that doesn’t even count the failed relationships in between.

But also me and my current bf both had no issue with dating around or finding partners throughout college (and him high school, I was a later bloomer).

Suspicious_Glove7365 · 2024-02-26T15:41:36+00:00

Welcome to the most classic “you cant win as a woman” scenario in the history books. Do you want us to be pure holy virgins who are extra selective? Or do you want us to lower our standards and sleep with tons of men? Because the answer is: they want us to be pure holy virgins who find most men insatiable but never act on it but also only act on it when comes to THEM.

Soloandthewookiee · 2024-02-26T16:16:27+00:00

Oh there's way more.

Men have no standards and will fuck anything / Men have tons of standards but can't say any of them because of feminism

Women should have as few partners as possible / women should sleep with any man she dates as fast as possible

Casual sex is terrible, ruins you for future partners, and increases the probability that you'll cheat / men aren't getting enough casual sex

Women's standards are too high / If a woman has a bad partner, it's her fault for not having better standards

Everyone has a sexual market value dictated by economic conditions in the dating market / If a man is a 7 and he can't get 7s, that doesn't mean he's not a 7

Fat women are disgusting and repulsive and men here can't even get it up for them / Fat women can easily get sex from the top 20% of men

Steakman1 · 2024-02-26T18:20:54+00:00

However, the contradiction is these men also say they don’t want a woman who’s had casual sex/ONS.

It’s because men with this belief are operating on the assumption that the woman has had casual sex before. Since it’s frowned upon to ask if she has before, women can lie, and these men are going in with the mindset that most American women are promiscuous, these men will assume they aren’t her top pick because they also assume she has hooked up with other men before. So although you can argue it’s not the best mindset, I would say it’s not contradictory.

krackedy · 2024-02-26T15:29:07+00:00

They want a unicorn who will sleep with them fairly quickly because they're so unbelievably attractive but won't sleep with other guys quickly.

Muskelmaus · 2024-02-26T20:36:47+00:00

I think you're lumping together different groups with different priorities.

Real_Line_8074 · 2024-02-26T18:21:43+00:00

In regards to your first point, this only applies to women who participate in casual sex. Most men will not be mad that you slept with him on the first date if you did the same with other men. The same way they will not be upset if you made them wait until you were exclusive as long as you did the same with other men. It's the consistency.

If at any point she had a one night stand but decided that you would only kiss me after we were official then she's a hypocrite and I want nothing to do with her.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-02-26T15:52:45+00:00

Men don't care if she makes you wait if she's made every guy wait.

Men only care if you've given casual sex to other men and then made him wait.

They only care if you apply different rules to different men, and give the man you're supposedly interested in the worse deal.

Horned-Beast · 2024-02-26T17:24:35+00:00

I'll approach this from personal experience

It isn't that I would want to need her to sleep with me on the first date. Where some men take issue is when they find out their interest is in someone who by all appearances is "traditional " but then quickly discover they are normally quite promiscuous but "saw real potential " in a relationship and suddenly that rule changes.

To women this makes perfect sense but to the men all they see is someone who is settling with someone who isn't as exciting or attractive enough to sleep with but can provide. Basically the safe and secure choice in a line of guys that she found way more exciting.

No one wants to be that guy.

Same as number 1. Most guys run into women with 2 different set of rules. To preface, I make a really good living. I even took early retirement last year. I cannot relate how many times I would start dating someone who was proud to be that independent, successful woman of business, right up to the moment they realized my income was significantly higher.

Suddenly, their expectations turned to being the traditional wife/gf and they would suddenly expect expensive gifts, vacations and help with their bills.

Oh and suddenly the need for casual dates becomes the " what are we now and when can I expect a proposal " conversation comes up.

The main issue is the inconsistent behaviors and 2 sets of rules. If they want to crow about being independent, great!! I am all for it!! True partnership, 50/50. PAY YOUR SHARE.

Don't shift your gears because suddenly you see trips to Dubai or yacht cruises in the nee future.

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-02-26T16:16:35+00:00

You need to remember they don’t consider woman to be real people, their just simple hoes that can’t control her female nature. But a good “female” will save herself until she meets him where she will immediately offer sex for the rest of his life whist living in his cupboard ready to clean his house, cook his meals, raise his kids and pay everything 50/50 somehow and if he chooses to commit to her after all he does for her, she should be eternally grateful and accept a bias pre-nup and paternity test of any and all children without question

dacution · 2024-02-26T19:02:38+00:00

The red pill is contradictory because it clings to the puritanical view of female sexuality. Most of the women who say they only have sex in committed relationships have had casual sex.

It’s easy for women to make sexually unappealing men wait for sex. It’s hard for women to turn down sex when they’re horny. Then they also have to make themselves wait for sex.

All that talk about safety and emotional investment go out the window when a guy gets her hot and bothered. Then she has to pretend it never happened because society has placed negative connotations on something that’s natural. Sometimes the guy himself illogically thinks there’s something wrong with the woman because she had sex with him after the first date.

SecondEldenLord · 2024-02-26T17:32:44+00:00

Men in the rp don't mind sleeping with a woman in the first date if they don't want to wife them up. Also, men don't want to be that sucker to wait for months while Chad waited just one day.
In this shitty economy you need to earn the big bucks to afford a SAHM, and not everyone can do that no matter how hard they work.

his_purple_majesty · 2024-02-26T18:05:48+00:00

Oh boy, another take shit one person said and shit another person said and pretend it's the same person thread.

gopher_glitz · 2024-02-26T19:47:46+00:00

"Yeah sure when I was the most attractive I would have threesomes, get dolled up and wear heels and lingerie for guys who treated me badly but now that I'm older, fatter and less attractive I want a man who will treat me like a princess while I offer the lamest sex after making him wait and buy me all kinds of shit I don't need"

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-02-26T15:59:05+00:00

RPs want to be the one man so RP that women will make the “one exception to” and also brag to thier friends about his good he is, men will hate him but wish they were him, his old bullies from school will see him and cry that they aren’t as “Alpha male” as him, and the crush that ignored him in HS will beg to hand a threesome with him and her hot best friend.

Cause then they will be the winner!

izoldetales · 2024-02-26T20:24:18+00:00

The comments are just men bashing each others 😂😂😂!! White knights men defending women like it's war !!! Bro it's so funny

Zabadoodude · 2024-02-26T16:38:44+00:00

A lot of these "contradictory" views are held by different men, or the same men open to different kinds of relationships: a traditional woman that hasn't been promiscuous, or a modern woman that is open to sex early and will pull her weight financially.

Personally I wouldn't wait more than 5 dates for sex. If it's longer than that she is either not that into me, has a low libido, or has some sexual hangups from religion or past sexual trauma. Any one of these is a deal-breaker for me. I understand she probably had sex with other men early too. That's fine.

I don't mind taking on the masculine role, but she has to contribute as well. If we don't have kids to take care of that means bringing in some money too.

obviousredflag · 2024-02-26T15:44:52+00:00

However, the contradiction is these men also say they don’t want a woman who’s had casual sex/ONS. If a woman sleeps with you on the first date, odds are you aren’t the first man she’s done that with.

It's not a contradiction. They want a "virgin" who desires them specifically so much that he is the first guy she wants to have sex immediately with. Those men are insecure and cannot deal with the thought that she desired other men sexually so much she slept with them after few hours of meeting, while he is not hot enough for her so she only has sex with him for "relationship reasons" and not for pure sexual lust reasons. There is a group of men, often virgins, who have a hard time with past sexual partners, because they fear the comparison. They also fear being "beta males" that will end up in "dead bedrooms", so they require carnal lust and attraction from women, as a proof that the women are not there to look for a beta provider.

Wanting a woman with “traditional” values who will also be happy to split bills and expenses.

Where do you get that from? The men i read here (as i don't have traditional men in my social circle) want to be the breadwinner for a woman/family and don't want to split bills. It's part of their view of the masculine role to be the provider. Other than that, it's not a contradiction as men can specifically define which traditional traits they want in a woman and which modern ones. It's not a contradiction to want a sexually modest woman with conservative views, who also works full time and splits the bills. You make it a contradiciton by first using an example that, in my experience, doesn't represent a meaningfull percentage of men and then assuming there are just 100% traditional or 100% modern women, instead of a mix between the poles on the spectrum. My gf and i share everything 50/50, we have a modern open relationship, be she still enjoys our roles to sometimes be quite traditional and split into feminie traits and masculine traits.

TRTGymBro · 2024-02-26T16:07:22+00:00

Probably no different than women who want a man who is: kind, considerate, charming, funny, tall, handsome, good in bed, empathetic, ambitious, punctual, doesn't live further than 20 mins from her, loves animals, loves the same music and activities as her, only has interest in her sexually and is willing to commit.

Of course, all these qualities cannot possibly coexist in the same man at the same time at least not for very long. But here we are.

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-02-26T15:53:02+00:00

if a woman doesn’t sleep with you almost instantly, she isn’t interested, she’s stringing you along, you should cut and run.

But that's true. All and every success I ever had with women were like that. Sex between first and forth date. And all attempts to "build trust/connection first" ended with failures.

DarayRaven · 2024-02-26T15:46:30+00:00

People greatly misinterpret this but the idea is that every woman has a slutty side for the right guy

That's where the she must sleep with you on the first date comes from

The process(how long it takes) isn't really important as long as she has sexual desire for you

Independent-Mail-227 · 2024-02-26T16:08:08+00:00

many people prefer to build up trust/connection first

They don't, they'll jump in the cock of someone they're attracted on the first chance. The "many" don't do this are the ones that didn't had the chance to find this guy.

If a woman sleeps with you on the first date, odds are you aren’t the first man she’s done that with.

You also have no garantee that if she don't sleep with you is because she's a chaste women, so you have this situation where you need to cut your losses. Or you gamble in someone that is possible not attracted to you or you gamble in someone that is attracted to you.

Wanting a woman with “traditional” values who will also be happy to split bills and expenses.

Can you even prove this to be the case?

You need to be making decent money relative to where you live so that your partner can be a SAHM.

You don't, living is cheap so long you are willing to give up on luxuries of modern world, women are not willing to do it so the price of everything keeps rising non stop.

In the US, around 16% of women are the sole/primary breadwinner and 29% of couples are egalitarian.

This is an amazing way to saying that 55% of men is still solely the breadwinner let alone from those 29% the number of men that are still in the start of their careers.

these contradictory views

They're not contrary, they're consistent with the situation they're applied to and thats what you refuses to understand.

I want to pay for a traditional women.. There's no traditional women so let's split.

I want a non promiscuous women. There's no non promiscuous women so if you're not jumping on my cock on first date we are done.

bifewova234 · 2024-02-26T18:03:16+00:00

If you split bills/mortgage with your spouse, you’re a modern man. In the US, around 16% of women are the sole/primary breadwinner and 29% of couples are egalitarian.

You failed to mention that 55% of men are primary or sole/primary breadwinners according to that article. And there goes your credibility.

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-02-26T17:36:26+00:00

A woman that’s a virgin is like a 1% woman. Even if she’s average looking, why should she choose a man that needs to listen to red pill rhetoric to pick up women? Or choose an average man with average income? The delusional is definitely real amongst men too.

The ppl that offer so little on dating market require so much from their partners.

treadmarks · 2024-02-26T16:10:41+00:00

A woman who only has sex in committed relationships will have that same process for you. It’s not lack of attraction, it’s simply needing that emotional investment and trust first. We are not men with tits, many women are just wired this way.

No, women are just as bad as men. When women see an attractive man, they are just as down bad and unable to resist. It isn't about ego, it's about whether this person is able to be a loyal wife.

And if she's able to resist, that's a sign she doesn't find you very attractive. And it's very likely there's guys out there she does find very attractive. If she's promiscuous, she's probably been with them in the past and longs for that. This all adds up to a significant cheating, divorce, and dead bedroom risk.

In the ideal scenario (in my mind) you'd both be young with low body counts, extremely attracted to each other, fall madly in love and that's the end of it. If you can't have that, you are relying on your partner's maturity and self-control.

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-02-26T16:12:39+00:00

What's so hard to understand?

If she makes you wait but also made everyone before you wait as much - she's ok.
If she makes you wait but slept with previous guys almost instantly - she's a hoe.

LTRand · 2024-02-26T16:44:05+00:00

I'm not a redpiller/MRA, but I managed a single income family with only average income for a number of years.

1: choose where you live better. 2: don't compare yourself to two income families 3: budget. 4: both need to be handy/crafty/diy. We made our own baby food. Gerber carrot babygood is currently $1.69 for 4 ounces of carrots and water (listed as 2 servings) Right now, Walmart is listing a 2lb bag of carrots for $1.44. That makes way more baby food with just a little effort.

Eat out smartly. As a fam of 3, we would hit McD's with a play place for a special outing. We ordered 1 drink, 1 fry, and 3 menu items. Share the drink and fry. Saved us a lot of money over those trips. At some Italian restaurants, we would only order an app and 1 pasta plate to share. Date nights wife and I would share 1 dinner plate at a chinese restaurant.

Some cities still have affordable housing. St. Louis has remodeled starter homes for 120-150k still. At an income of 50k/yr ($25/hr), this is traditionally affordable (2-3x annual income).

We are not this frugal today, but that's how we started.

izoldetales · 2024-02-26T20:16:27+00:00

Are you serious?! First, I never heard a man say " we should split " if it's not an exchange of women waffling about men's predatory behaviour of wanting a virgin / submissive woman. Second , sleeping in the first date = mutual interest , as long as the girl show mutual interest like cooking for next date or at least be grateful for what the man does for her it's okay for almost all men .

So maybe stop painting men or even that manosphere as " stupid " while women contradict themselves all the time .

r2k398 · 2024-02-26T20:50:19+00:00

I guess I found a unicorn then. 🦄 She has traditional values but still likes to earn her own money and split the bills.

Fabulous_HonestTea · 2024-02-26T16:22:19+00:00

Do you make every guy wait? Absolutely not.
I don’t even want you leaving the house much less going to work. That’s my job, literally and figuratively.

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Soul_vaccine · 2024-02-26T16:26:15+00:00

Red pill is all about maximizing your potential based on the most general attraction triggers and appealing to those most general preferences and biases.

It’s not really concerned with the fact that this is a contradiction, because they see it as their contradiction.

If other people are allowed to say “I’m sooooo independent yet I demand a man to pay for at least the first date and presumably much more” they see that and think. Well then I’m going to double or triple down on my contradictions.

They aren’t concerned with whether or not there’s a small hole or inconsistency in the logic. All that matters is what works and what you can get away with.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2024-02-26T18:24:52+00:00

I think it's 2 different kinds of RP.

is the guy wants to be the 'hot guy', and thus won't accept the girl choosing him as the safe option - having sex fast means she's physically and sexually attracted and thus he's the 'hot guy' - actually makes sense if you ask me, when not taken to extreme.
is the tradRP - he thinks women should be near-virgins when he meets them and shouldn't have casual. He still wants to enjoy being 'hot' for the 'sluts', but if he finds 'the one', he wants her to be 'trad' - this guy is probably just a whiner and full of self-conflicts which can't be resolved without resolving what he wants and can get.

1st is a slippery slope where you can be anxious for nothing, but a lot of times has a point.

2nd is too confused with ought/is for his own good

DecisionPlastic9740 · 2024-02-26T18:28:40+00:00

Typically if a woman is attracted she will want it early. So her making you wait means she isn't attracted. You don't want to be in a position where she gives it early to other guys but makes you wait. If she made everyone wait for a committed relationship, that would be fine. I don't think anyone would have issue with that.

harmonica2 · 2024-02-26T19:08:24+00:00

Does this count as a manosphere contradiction... The manosphere says men should ust play the field only and not commit, but they also talk about how population collapse has made things worse. But if they do not care about commitment, then why do they care about having kids?

axolotofpain · 2024-02-26T20:10:48+00:00

Manosphere men often paint men being shallow as being virtuous, but women being shallow as a vice.

Example: Men saying women only need to be attractive and that's "Loving women for who they are." Meanwhile also saying women only seek chads, because they're hot or whatever, makes their standards too high for wanting to date someone they're attracted to.

Things are "biological" only when it benefits the manosphere narrative. The manosphere frequently argues in limited biological determinist perspectives which often lean in favor of gender roles. These opinions are seen in scenarios like "men are superior/leaders/dominant and women are lesser/followers/submissive." Apparently, they HAVE to be clear cut in certain ways to maintain nature's almighty intentions. When they do align with these rules, for example women not approaching men first because why would they when they are supposedly submissive and followers, it becomes an outrage that men have to do all the (dominant leader) work. Also when men act in favor of biology it's always good, but women act in favor of their biology it's always bad. Men are also they only ones with genetic code to spread and pass on. Women don't have genes or DNA to spread, how dare they have any desire to have sex with multiple people throughout their lives. But for men? That's fine. Men thinking with their dicks: true love. Women thinking with their clits: whore.

The whole women are wonderful effect. Apparently this is 10000% true factual biological rational logical empirically scientifically proven theory (oxymoron intended) based on one or two studies that focus on gender stereotypes amongst college students that manospherian men didn't thoroughly read or comprehend. Always a 100 so college students fresh out of high school with no careers or life experience are the defining people of the entire world populations. Media told men that women are always perfect. That's why Disney movies have evil witches, evil step moms, evil sisters. Oh? Not referring to just Disney? Sorry, that's why there are femme fatals, gold diggers, the ol' ball and chain, mean girls, seductresses to represent wonderful women. Never seen a bad woman in media ever and never once written by men (/s).

Women are addicted to and influenced by social media, but not men. Reddit totally is not a social media shhhh. You didn't see me comment on PPD at least 100 times this week hyping up the bros. Look at this totally not edited or cherry picked street interview on tiktok of one woman saying something I don't like. People don't lie on the Internet unless they're women, that's what enforces that they are so wonderful. So what this single woman says in this interview that aligns with the rage bait that I consume daily or even hourly, it's always true for every women and must be true. Ha gottem with my impervious logic. Women always lie except this one time when it tickles my sides.

Red pill is also the truth but no one can agree on what that one truth is. So many no true Scotsmen for this and that. For something seen as an eye opening truth that all men will eventually awaken to, there are so many theories and disagreements on that that truth is. Duh, common sense.

8won6 · 2024-02-26T21:04:56+00:00

on #1...the sleeping with you instantly thing is more of an extreme talking point for the social media guys. but there is truth "the sooner the better". As a man, you need to make clear up front you're trying to fuck, (not in those exact words) but trying to semi-friendship date a girl will just make you snap as a man. There does need to be some clear intention shown from a woman extremely early on that it's going to happen. You shouldn't be 6 months in still wondering if it'll happen.

dominantoneforher · 2024-02-26T21:11:53+00:00

I absolutely prefer promiscuous women since I really enjoy women that love sex. With that being said, I do not have any expectations of when a woman will sleep with me although I do expect her to have a discussion with me about her kinks, boundaries, and preferences very early on so we can determine if we are compatible.

Da_Famous_Anus · 2024-02-26T21:36:37+00:00

#1 - I don't know if 100% of 'red pill aligned men' see what you posted as phrased as 100% so literal.

Firstly, the underlying concept of #1 is simply to say that - if there is no initial attraction in the early stages of dating, then as a man, you're probably not going to get the kind of connection that you want with this particular woman. Sex is the preferred form of intimacy that men want, that's just how it is. As an adult male, I don't read this issue strictly as - sex on the first date better happen or I'm out. But I do think that - something better be in the air kind of early or I'm out. Men want to feel like women are attracted to them, the same as any other person. They also want sex!. So, this shouldn't be surprising.

Secondly, the other underlying concept of #1 is an increased understanding of women's sexual freedom and openness today. Men typically don't want to date a woman who has any history of one night stands large or small while they're not getting some or kept 'waiting' for some time. I think it makes sense why a man would feel like this. Women have sexual freedom, men want to be chosen for sex because women get to choose that.

In the end, men just want to be wanted and desired on that level.

I don't see anything inconsistent about this.

#2 - Is definitely not even mostly true. There are many traditional men out there who either have more than enough of their own money or who are perfectly fine with the age old paradigm of 'her money is her money, his money is their money'.

The problem that men have is that women are not traditional themselves but have traditional expectations of men. For example - tatted promiscuous boss career girl with an OF who spins plates and still expects men to pay for everything and court them in the most traditional ways as if her life choices are becoming of wife material. Pick one.

For example, I can afford a stay at home partner but all the women I meet seem to find the concept of being a 'stay at home anything' to be something tantamount to 'infringing on their person-hood' in some way. These women are going out of their way to choose this and they seem terrified of what is essentially the same partnering up that used to be commonplace.

So, no. I don't see anything inconsistent if you're really actually listening to what men say they want without quoting out of context or disingenuously twisting and perverting it into something it isn't.

ICU8a8 · 2024-02-26T21:37:54+00:00

I think the problem with number 1 is women who won’t sleep with person A on the first date because they have a moral belief that they want to get to know someone before they will have sex with a person, but very willingly will discard these moral beliefs if the guy makes her leg tingle.

LaloTwinsDa2nd · 2024-02-26T21:40:40+00:00

I’m okay waiting for a girl if she’s inexperienced or has always taken a long time.

If she’s even one time, been with someone quick? She better cut that time like she’s training for some olympic trials with me

philseven12 · 2024-02-27T02:09:27+00:00

Lol I ain't emotionally investing in nothing at the beginning. We can have a few conversations to check your temperature but if I see she just wants to talk and talk I'm out. I'm a yes or no dude, I don't cupcake or have long ass conversations in the beginning stages. Are we fucking or not

ComfortableOk5003 · 2024-02-27T05:43:27+00:00

Funny I’ve never heard RP say women should split bills

Also never heard that a woman should sleep with you day 1.

Women should not date men they aren’t interested in or that they need the guy to grow on them.

boom-wham-slam · 2024-02-27T07:27:19+00:00

The contradictions make sense because ideally this but if not this the opposite.

Example. A virgin wife is ideal. But if she's had casual sex before a woman who fucks you immediately is the next best scenario. Not the girl who had casual sex 3x but makes you wait. He'll no that's a terrible option.

This is what yall women don't get. If you're not going to be "the ideal thing" then something totally different is the second best option, not the flawed version of the ideal thing.

Same with paying for dates. I prefer you are soft, feminine, submissive, not sleeping around, maybe you're underemployed or taking care of family or still in school... I'm more than happy to pay for your meal. But if you're a fucking medical doctor or attorney or something, tough gets the job done... why am I paying for your dinner? Wtf.

I prefer you don't really work like that and I pay. But if you insist on working the next best option is you pay.

Assholines · 2024-02-27T11:23:43+00:00

Men want consistency.

If a woman is a virgin or one who has strict boundaries with every man she dated about having sex only when exclusive, no man will have a problem with waiting for sex with her.

If a woman has sex with some men casually, very quickly after meeting, requiring little to no effort, but requires time and effort from others, it almost always means the latter group of men are less desirable and physically and sexually inferior.

Why would any guy want that?

Elliejq88 · 2024-02-27T16:09:23+00:00

RedPillers are full of double standards and contradictions. This is one of many and I agree it makes no sense whatsoever. They are chasing a unicorn- one who puts out easily but who has no casual sex history (oh and she also screws like a pornstar).

KofiQanon · 2024-02-27T16:24:36+00:00

Here:

 She a Hoe. She Not a Hoe.

Hoe with you. 🟠. ⭐️✅

Not hoe with you. 🚩❌. 🟠✅

Basically, I have no issue if a you’ve hooked up before me (I’m a bit of a slut so not here to judge as long as within reason <40 and not too extreme). Neutral on this.

Biggest red flag is if you start acting different for me or making me wait obnoxious amounts of time (4+ dates is usually danger zone) when you’ve never done it before. Betabux is real and it already indicates using intimacy as a way to manipulate your partner. Also wondering if you’re really attracted to me.

If you’re a good girl and I make you bad, that is THE number zone for long term wifey material. Any ladies who fit this category hmu.

Good girls who make you wait (but also make everyone wait) is totally fair. I’m honestly more neutral on this because I like women who aren’t afraid to express their sexuality more than I like “virtue” or whatever. But still wayyy better than reformed hoes.

Any ladies care to comment? I’d like a guide from you too!

Nevamst · 2024-02-27T16:42:26+00:00

This really just seems like different people to me. Some men will want a woman who sleeps instantly with her, other men will want a woman who doesn't do ONS/casual sex. The overlap between the two is very low I'd imagine. I'm pretty sure all those men who wants a woman who doesn't do ONS would not consider her for more than an ONS if she does an ONS with him. And also there's men who want a traditional woman, and there's other men who wants to split the bills and expenses, but again I would imagine the overlap between the two to be very low. The men who wants a traditional woman don't want to split the bills with her, they will consider pulling in money to be their duty and they will want to provide for their woman, while the men who wants to split the bills doesn't want a traditional woman.

I'm the kind of guy doesn't really care about a woman having slept around a lot, and I prefer to quickly check for sexual compatibility with my partners. I'm also the kind of guy who wants to split the bills with a woman and definitely don't want a traditional woman. I think my views here are contradictory to the "manosphere", and those men will feel the opposite.

Gold_Supermarket1956 · 2024-02-27T19:05:31+00:00

It's not that if she don't sleep with you right away it's more of is she letting others hit while making you wait... Also most men don't wanna play penpal for weeks and months

Title	Manosphere contradictions
Author	angelbaby933
Upvotes	26
Comments	307
Date	February 26, 2024 3:25 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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