You probably should start caring about a woman’s career

thedarkracer · 2025-04-03T10:15:08+00:00

Well I agree women should be earning but your this point.

Your lack of willingness to date educated women with careers will either leave you single or saddled with multiple dependents you actually cannot afford.

What do we do if even educated women want men earning more than them?

https://www.indiatoday.in/lifestyle/relationship/story/women-marriage-men-richer-earn-more-204110-2014-08-14

https://ifstudies.org/blog/better-educated-women-still-prefer-higher-earning-husbands

So it's not our lack of willingness to not date up but more like yours to not date down.

ZeeMark17 · 2025-04-03T10:09:28+00:00

Got some time to kill, so I will engage. Generally, the phrase "men do not care about education/career" does not mean men want dumb or broke women. It simply means an unattractive woman does not become attractive based on her education. Maybe other men do want broke women, but most I believe just mean that a good woman is a good woman regardless of her educational or career background. Thus "men do not care about education or career" phrase.

AsturaeConiecto · 2025-04-03T14:06:14+00:00

Your lack of willingness to date educated women with careers will either leave you single or saddled with multiple dependents you actually cannot afford.

You somehow believe that men can realistically en masse date richer and more educated women and actively be provided for by them?

Failfellow · 2025-04-03T11:17:09+00:00

How did you get from point one of "you guys don't care about women's career when you date" to point 2 "you care so much you're unwilling to date successful career women" .....

John_Oakman · 2025-04-03T10:47:55+00:00

The males in question aren't even visible to most women, they can't afford to care or be picky in the first place.

It's akin to saying that the hobos in the streets should be more picky on what handouts they should accept in order to avoid food poisoning: technically true & sound advice in a vacuum, but not exactly realistic or actionable advice.

Appropriate-Fold-485 · 2025-04-03T10:15:25+00:00

How does "I don't care about money" get translated to "I specifically want you to be poor"?

wizardnamehere · 2025-04-03T11:54:36+00:00

I've always cared about a woman's career. Big part of her and my life.

Have the number of unemployed men increased by 40% since COVID? Hasn't the workforce participation rate gone up? That seems... odd? Where did you hear that?

DopeAFjknotreally · 2025-04-03T17:03:37+00:00

I have no problem dating educated women, but I do sometimes think that educated women who are more successful than me will see me as less attractive

thotisms_speaks · 2025-04-03T10:20:03+00:00

In the real world, people generally marry within their own socioeconomic bracket. Rich men aren't actually committing long-term to McDonald's wagies. I think the guys parroting this are usually just LARPing - they're not particularly successful themselves but still fantasize they're in a position to reject a boss babe for a cashier.

And of course they'd prefer a young economically insecure woman for a relationship. What really gets me is how these same guys complain about gold diggers and alimony. They seek out poor women because they're more easily controlled, and then they're upset that the punishment for leaving or displeasing them isn't further poverty.

Former_Range_1730 · 2025-04-03T16:30:11+00:00

"Your lack of willingness to date educated women with careers will either leave you single or saddled with multiple dependents you actually cannot afford."

That assumes almost all women are high level college educated people with grand careers.

It also assumes those kinds of women enthusiastically desire average or below average men.

And it assumes those kinds of women are highly interested in men.

And also it assumes that after highschool, most men go live in their mothers basements and waste away.

This is wrong on all accounts. The result here isn't most men will be single and saddled with multiple dependents they can't afford. Most men get to work after highschool, or go to college and get a solid job. And most women have no problem meeting men who are providers and good guys to get into a relationship with.

So, no, men don't need to care about a woman's career.

MisterFunnyShoes · 2025-04-03T12:27:06+00:00

There is no “lack of willingness to date educated women with careers”. It’s simply irrelevant to attraction.

RealityCold4693 · 2025-04-03T15:25:06+00:00

I’m a keep it honest most women are career driven are complete assholes if you go through and read some of these posts on these forums with career women they sound like a chore to date

Accomplished-Pin3073 · 2025-04-03T12:34:12+00:00

Don’t forget about Hypergamy.

LoudPiece6914 · 2025-04-03T14:45:49+00:00

When people say men don’t care about your career, it doesn’t mean that we don’t want to date a woman who is educated and has a career. It’s that it’s not a deciding factor. We look at who she is as a person how she treats us and how she fits into our life and if she has a career too, that’s great if she has a regular job that’s fine too. But for women career is more of a deciding factor where as for men, it’s an after thought. The problem is a lot of the qualities that make a woman successful in careers, can make her annoying and difficult to deal with in a relationship if she cannot shut that off or except that because she’s like that she has to pick a mate who is not a leader type.

James_Cruse · 2025-04-03T11:02:57+00:00

Men still don’t care enough about women’s education or career/work/money for it to move the needle on how attractive that woman is nor makes her more attractive. It just doesn’t factor into men’s attraction for women, it’s a non-factor, neither more or less attractive.

This post implies, like many other women have insisted, that men SHOULD BE MORE ATTRACTED to something that is inherently not relevant to men’s genuine attraction to women.

Insisting that men SHOULD consider it more attractive does nothing to make it so.

The media and entertainment telling men they should find this attractive - it also doesn’t do anything to make it so.

This is another clear symptom of women thinking men think like them, women think: “just TELL MEN TO DO SOMETHING AND THEY’LL FOLLOW.” Sorry, this isn’t how men operate.

Superannuated_punk · 2025-04-03T10:21:51+00:00

Well-educated men tend to marry well-educated women.

As a blue-collar dude, I can fetishise a lady with a fancy career all I like; but odds are she's going to want a guy from a similar background.

kingofgama · 2025-04-03T17:52:45+00:00

Who says men don't? Frankly most the men I know that are doing well, over like 100k a year annual, generally don't want to date a women who has no aspirations or income.

Frankly, talking about barrier to dating, income has been the most dramatic filter for me.

Even though I make over 100k, it's frankly not enough to support two people. And really, I don't want to date another bum who doesn't have any goal or plans in life.

alwaysright0 · 2025-04-03T12:28:54+00:00

Most men do care. Very few don't,

The ones who say they don't are mostly trying to point score against perceived standards from women or want a bang maid

Junior_Ad_3086 · 2025-04-03T13:07:50+00:00

i got money and the women i'm interested in generally don't. NEETS are not going to get any female interest unless they're very attractive. but if a broke guy wants to date an even more broke woman, that's up to them. it's not like they're likely to land a breadwinning woman anyway.

PunkRock9 · 2025-04-03T14:12:21+00:00

From what I’ve been told, women prefer men “on their level” with similar or the man having a bigger income. Men just assume they are out of your league if you are making 30,000+ more than them.

Men who respect equality and women rights have no problem with a woman making more. House husbands should become more of a thing if a higher education woman is providing. It’s not got to happen very often though. Especially with this “bare minimum” talk.

backstabber81 · 2025-04-03T14:41:52+00:00

I've dated men and women, generally, all I care about is that they have a job with some sort of career progression. Basically, don't be a bum with a dead-end job, have some sort of plan for the future.

In general, if a person is capable of supporting themselves and saving a bit every month, that meets the financial criteria (I bring the same to the table). They don't need to be rich or anything, all I ask is that they can afford our joint outings, occasional vacation, etc.

One-Fig-4161 · 2025-04-03T15:34:00+00:00

I think this is a real problem with the modern feminist’s relationship to capitalism. I don’t give a fuck about your career, I don’t give a fuck about my career. We are all more than our jobs, and it’s exhausting to have to frame gender equality around your relationship to capital.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2025-04-03T16:33:43+00:00

Neh dont realy do. Its like saying I should care when my neighbors win the lottery. Past experiences shows it does not benefits me in anyway so why should I realy care about it.

There is a reason why many people say his money is our money her money is her money. So if the main part of the financial burden comes on me. And maybes like 20% of the costs gets paid by her. Why would a care about her career again? She could do the lowest paying jobs ever and could make that.

People forget expectations has a lot to do about why people care about things and why they dont. And has a lot to do what is expected to be gained or lost in a relationship or partnership.

So if its normal that its a expected gain for men men would care more. But probably also not. Cause high earning women act more masculine.

And most women also are not attached to very feminine men. And most men also are often not attracted to very masculine women.

Why there is always a inpass. Cause there almost no jobs that women can be very feminine and make a lot of money.

Why many men if they have the choice will always get a women in a more lower paying job thats more feminine.

Then a more masculine acting women thats earn a lot more.

Attraction kinda makes it that people just like what they like and dislike what they dislike.

Why it will also never work shaming women to "lower there standards" so would it also never work for pushing men to be ok with masculine acting women. It goes against the Attraction.

And its also why black women cause of culture and they kinda wareing the pants in the relationship. Why many men don't find there personality attractive at all including other black men.

Cause women normally want to have leadership qualities in a men. So manly men that takes care of everything takes charge.

But men dont want that same thing. They like femininity. So kind nurturing. Soft emotional. So more a follower that is in needs of guidance.

What is the general what each side looks for and is expected. But often not get. So relationship are a lot more physical and short term.

But its sexist to say what people like and why that literally does not work cause what in general people look for in a longterm relationship.

But again most women won't ever accept a feminine men but expect men to accept a masculine women past just phycal hook-up culture relationships.

Why most would never care all that much cause its counteract what they are attached too in the most fundamental way. What people keep saying but no one is listening. When men saying what they want and looking for. To busy saying what they demand and want. To even look what the other side needs to be fulfilled to give you those demands that there asking for and thats the shortsightedness of it all.

Comfortable-Dare-307 · 2025-04-05T13:36:43+00:00

It's not that women have careers or are succesful. When men become succesful for the most part it humbles them. When women become succesful, they become rude, bitchy and annoying. Its the attitude of these women men don't want. I don't care about a woman's success as long as she's not a selfish prude because of it.

chobolicious88 · 2025-04-03T12:23:42+00:00

I care about a womans career because if i like her interests, thats another thing we can connect over.

Also women who have steady careers show stability. Women who just go with the flow are in my eyes - less trustworthy. I predict higher chances of them changing partners or be impulsive or accept random bs, like desiring male validation.

Could be wrong but would love to discuss.

BearSpray007 · 2025-04-03T12:06:24+00:00

Ok interesting point, let me try:

(Clears throat)

You women should probably start caring about and being attracted to weird, “creepy”, unattractive, neurodivergent, broke, short, inexperienced, emotionally immature, co-dependent, men… Have I changed your mind? No? Didn’t think so

Sure I know my example is a bit more extreme, but telling people they ought to care about something they simply aren’t attracted to is not quite as simple as that.

Even so, I would argue that men have been able to be attracted to a very broad range of different types of women, whereas modern women seem to still be fixated on a more narrow definition of what a suitable male partner should be.

I’m not just saying this because I’m a guy, but i honestly think it’s up to women to make the requisite changes here. It’s women after all who are always complaining about “settling”.

Mr_Vaynewoode · 2025-04-03T16:05:56+00:00

No. You never get her money. Even if you did, it's not worth it.

The more a woman makes, the more likely she is to undermine you and subvert any boundaries or expectations.

A woman's career is worthless to a man, if that's your long-term strategy, put a fork on your relationship, its dead.

Better to be homeless on the street than to spend your life validating disengenuous people who are incapable of respecting you.

RapaxIII · 2025-04-03T13:36:14+00:00

Women don't understand that they cannot dictate what men find attractive. Getting a masters/PhD and expecting men to fall over each other to get with you is retarded thinking because women don't care what men want, they have an incorrect perception of what men. Men don't want the smartest/richest woman in the room, that shit doesn't matter

mrsmariekje · 2025-04-03T10:48:18+00:00

The only men who say they wouldn't date a women who earns more than them or who is more educated are men that sensible women would never consider dating anyway. Why put up with that when you can find a man that supports and respects you?

Odd_Book_9024 · 2025-04-03T11:14:54+00:00

Of course

I know I’m probably going to allow my wife not to work but she’s gonna leave a job as a doctor not a barista.

M3taBuster · 2025-04-03T15:24:52+00:00

The rich are only getting richer and the average person is getting poorer and less able to support a family on their salary.

Stop perpetuating this myth that wealth has anything whatsoever to do with ability to have children. It's literally inversely correlated. It's the poorest people who have the most children. That promotion that's always looming around the corner is not gonna be what makes or breaks your ability to have children. It's a mindset issue and a lack of willingness to make the lifestyle sacrifices that are necessary to have children. Nutting inside is free. And (unfortunately) we have a government that will rob other people to bankroll your expenses for having children if you truly cannot afford them.

DietTyrone · 2025-04-03T17:51:14+00:00

Your lack of willingness to date educated women with careers will either leave you single or saddled with multiple dependents you actually cannot afford.

This is what career women truly don't understand. Most men aren't avoiding dating them. They're just not giving them priority over other women just because they have a better career.

Career women way overvalue how much their degree and job factors into men vetting them for a relationship. Having a career will not make you more favorable to men if other factors like being in shape, being agreeable, being nurturing or supportive are lacking.

If career women want to pair up with broke "NEETS" aka hobosexuals who choose women for survival because they need the financial support, no one is stopping them. However, so long as they aim after well off men who don't need a woman to support them financially, they're going to continue to have issues if their career is their own major positive quality.

Kaisern · 2025-04-04T15:31:27+00:00

Thank you for this textbook example of womanism

Men say ”we don’t really care how much money you make or how educated you are”

You turn that into a ”lack of willingness to date educated women with careers” and ”take a barista over a finance managing director any day”

nowhereman5111 · 2025-04-03T10:43:45+00:00

I only want an educated woman. Maybe times were different along time ago but when i meet a woman with no education, i often think she is lazy.

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Certain_Process_7657 · 2025-04-03T22:54:21+00:00

It's not that we don't care. It doesn't add any points to their SMV. A 7 doesn't become an 8.5 because she's a really successful lawyer. Boss babes need to realize that their career and education is pretty close to the bottom of the list in terms of weighted importance for most guys. Looks, sex quality/frequency, and overall personality are way more important.

ValeWho · 2025-04-04T15:13:07+00:00

NEET?

analt223 · 2025-04-04T18:32:41+00:00

I've asked out women with better jobs/career than me, I've been rejected everytime.

Ive never been some dude who has 10 women blowing up his phone, but women who makes less money than me have shown some interest, which is more than 0 from women who make more.

Women who make more money dont really share their wealth with men younger/make less/less educated/etc. Even if the man does all the cooking and cleaning, the relationship doesnt form in the first place.

Feisty_Report7848 · 2025-04-04T12:25:31+00:00

This is not most of you, though. The rich are only getting richer and the average person is getting poorer and less able to support a family on their salary.

Already your argument is based on flawed premises. Everyone is getting richer, even in relative terms. Real wages have skyrocketed since the turn of the century. To say nothing of the fact that even people living in poverty have electricity, water, cell phones, and fast food.

It’s almost exclusively the pampered children of managerial elites whining online about “income inequality.” An opinion not reflected by reality, same as every fallacious claim commies make about the world.

addings0 · 2025-04-03T13:11:59+00:00

Your lack of willingness to date educated women with careers will either leave you single or saddled with multiple dependents you actually cannot afford.

No. Men really don't care about a womans career, as long as it's ( dignified / respectful ) . Men have to like her, not her job.

Women on the other hand, only value status, lifestyle, indifference, and ( pleasant convenient new ) experiences. Not people, stability, or equality ( they only tolerate the idea as ling as it's convenient ) . If anything, women use their job as an excuse to dismiss and abandon men. And they won't tolerate a house husband ( women only respect equals and superiors ) . Women make up 20% of providing for households, but also make up 50% of all divorces. Working is why they complain about the house chores. And as the rich get richer, the more women will want to date according to their status, out of affirmation for themselves. And you can forget about having children or raising families. When women make money, they throw people away, reciprocate nothing for men, and build nothing for society. And they're happy about it.

Unhappy_Offer_1822 · 2025-04-03T11:24:04+00:00

if they prefer dating baristas over finance managers then that is caring about their career

Aimeereddit123 · 2025-04-03T20:17:08+00:00

Sure. They will now get attorneys for wives, then cheat on them with a waitress because they innately can’t stand and will resent that she makes more than them, and that her career has to come first. They will claim they are love and attention starved, and cheat with a minimum wage earner that lifts their wounded ego. Seen it a million times if I’ve seen it once. I will NEVER be a man’s financial equal. I will HELP a man, but it’s lose/lose for a breadwinning woman.

Kahing · 2025-04-03T12:36:40+00:00

Your lack of willingness to date educated women with careers will either leave you single or saddled with multiple dependents you actually cannot afford.

It's not a "lack of willigness" so much as a lack of a requirement. When men say they don't care, it generally means they literally don't care. She could be a barista or a finance managing director. The only negative points regarding a professional career would be long hours. Some men might prefer a degreed career woman because he wants someone on his level and/or he doesn't want to get taken to the cleaners. But accomplishments are simply not relevant to male attraction the way they are to female attraction.

In fact, it's women who have more trouble in this regard. A woman is less likely to choose a man who makes less money and has a less successful career than vice versa.

AssPlay69420 · 2025-04-03T13:49:08+00:00

This is exactly what makes me blue pilled.

I have a two year degree, I don’t want to work a job where it matters if I suck. I don’t want to kill myself doing business trips or pulling all nighters or always having my phone on me to reply to bosses.

Make no mistake, traditional roles are miserable for men! In fact, I’d venture as far as saying they are more miserable for men than women!

I’m not blue pilled because I particularly enjoy the average feminist diatribe - I find feminism grating and obnoxious in general.

That said, they are practical allies. I don’t want the shit my dad and grandpa had to put up with.

I want to spend time with family, enjoy hobbies, rest, etc.

For as obnoxious as a PhD dissertation on patriarchy can be, feminists actually have the right stances for us.

Red pill makes me extremely angry because all it functionally does is double down on things that drive men crazy, make them commit suicide and violence, and all around make the world miserable.

Let the women go on the business trips and deal with fucking Microsoft Teams - my God, you’re a saint if you actually want to do that shit. I’ve tried it, it’s terrible!

Get with the program, guys.

You are digging your own graves by hating women and voting for yourselves to breathe in toxic fumes and kill yourselves living miserable lives.

Women can suck. They can be obnoxious as hell! But they are saving your sorry asses by stepping up and into shit that will otherwise destroy you.

They’re lightening your load. Accept it happily!

ShangoRaijin · 2025-04-03T15:23:28+00:00

It is truly about options and attraction.

Using the example given a barista who meets a guy making great money will Be more appreciative and MORE available to him. when the barista gets pregnant, she is thankful for the option to chill and take care of the baby without worrying too much about the bills.

The finance MD already has great money plus yours. which is great and a demanding job that takes away a lot of time for the 2.

If she wants to get pregnant, she has to worry about maintaining the life that the 2 of you have created. Sometimes she might resent the fact that she has to hurry back to work since she carries a decent part of their earnings. This is US based ofc. Maternity leave is ridiculous here.

To be fair, men DO care about women's careers and ability to earn money. It is important AFTER they are attracted to the lady.

In general,

Women cant lead with their careers though, it doesnt move the needle like it does for men.

Mick427 · 2025-04-03T18:02:31+00:00

The main thing I hear here a lot is “men don’t care about your education! we’d take a barista over a finance managing director any day!”

History proves this.

More women than men these days are graduating college and entering the workforce, overtaking the number of men in law and medicine and have been for a while.

From memory, a large number of those degrees are in the humanities, so we're back to the barista?

Since covid, the number of men who are NEET has increased by 40% compared to only 7% for women.

This is really fascinating, as it involves something like 5+ million US men.

Your lack of willingness to date educated women with careers will either leave you single or saddled with multiple dependents you actually cannot afford.

And definitely not divorced

funfacts_82 · 2025-04-03T11:32:24+00:00

Men will always find ways to earn. we are not women. We do shit to get ahead not to slap titles on our resume.

Peter_Andre_IQ · 2025-04-03T10:19:06+00:00

I guess men prefer women who are slightly less career oriented than themselves - ie. if guy is a doctor or lawyer, he will prefer getting married to a teacher than to managing director. Ie. I would never want to get married to better educated woman with better career perspectives - such women are usually bitches, and I prefer lower income over dealing with some overly ambitious person.

Ammar4590 · 2025-04-03T12:12:28+00:00

Women working hard make them less active in bed. So yes, I recommend taking women who are less busy, so you will have much time with her. And since you are the one who pays for the most things, the relationship should be about you.

You probably should start caring about a woman’s career

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For men, $70k a year is still the top 30%. The statistics are there.

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