CMV : Its hypocrisy to hate on Andrew Tate and his Mindset, and then proceed to date a guy with a "Tate mindset"

obviousredflag · 2023-04-14T15:48:38+00:00

You seem to think in this argument, that everyone who isn't an average joe working at Target, is someone with an Andrew Tate mindset. That is simply not the case.

Tate can be right about one thing but a disgusting asshole and wrong about many other things. Just because Tate eats burgers doesn't mean that you can't hate Tate and eat burgers.

SeveralSadEvenings · 2023-04-14T15:37:00+00:00

Why are generic male goals (hits the gym, successful, masculine etc) all of a sudden the sole purview of Tate?

Men have been doing and achieving these things long before Tate, and will continue long after him.

I can claim Tate is an awful grifter and still prefer successful masculine men, because these men are not beholden to Tate; the idea of masculine success is not some secret knowledge only given to Tate.

What nonsense is this?

Soloandthewookiee · 2023-04-14T16:34:41+00:00

Him : okay perfectly fine nothing wrong with that, therefore would u date a 5'10 average joe that works at target and treats u well like u want it?

Those are the only two options? Andrew Tate or a nice dude who works at Target?

Flightlessbirbz · 2023-04-14T16:15:01+00:00

This is a total false dichotomy. You’re acting as if every guy who doesn’t like Tate is lazy and has a crappy job… which is obviously not true. You’re also pretending like all Tate is about self-improvement, which is also obviously not true. You can improve yourself and not say hateful and degrading things about women. You must know that the self-improvement part of Tate’s mindset isn’t the part anyone takes issue with. This doesn’t seem like a good faith argument even tbh. It’s like saying anyone who doesn’t like Hitler is hypocritical if they date an art student.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2023-04-14T15:33:47+00:00

Important question: is this a real convo you’ve had irl, or a convo you had in your head with a scarecrow?

ivyleaguehoodrat · 2023-04-14T15:35:24+00:00

In your analogy: normal healthy ambitious men are chocolate. AT is chocolate with laxatives in it. And arsenic. That you found behind a urinal in a public bathroom.

WowThisIsAwkward_ · 2023-04-14T15:38:54+00:00

Lol there are smart, ambitious and in-shape men who don’t hold Tate’s misogynistic views. Tate didn’t invent being healthy and successful, it’s a universal thing that many people want. If I asked you whether you wanted to date an average looking out-of-shape woman with a cashier job over a beautiful woman who has advanced degrees and works as an academic would you choose the latter? Most likely, as people see attractive, successful people as more ideal. It’s not a Tate thing, it’s a life thing. Tate is a misogynistic and deplorable person, he’s not the god that teenage boys and lonely disgruntled men make him out to be.

bread93096 · 2023-04-14T15:50:21+00:00

Being tall, exercising, and pursuing success isn’t a ‘Tate mindset’. You can do all those things without being a narcissist douchebag. Men have been doing it for thousands of years without his ‘advice’.

waffleznstuff30 · 2023-04-14T16:16:13+00:00

Male feminists work at target?

The 5'10 dude who has job and is nice seems perfectly fine to me?

I don't know.

Like there's nothing wrong with a self improvement mindset and wanting to grow and do things for yourself right. I agree. But I do have issues with tearing other people down and belittling and demeaning people to get there. You don't move up by punching down and putting a whole group of people beneath you. That's not progress or self growth that's narcissism.

Lovers691 · 2023-04-14T15:19:11+00:00

The problem isn’t with the hit the gym, masculine and success mindset but with the misogyny and immoral actions Tate has committed, you can have the former without the baggage

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-04-14T15:55:56+00:00

Tate mindset? Exploit dudes with cam girls then exploit other dudes with pyramid schemes?

WowYouMustBeJoking · 2023-04-14T15:24:44+00:00

That's not hypocrisy. Even your example with chocolate is not hypocrisy. If you were saying "Eating chocolate is disgusting and everyone who does it sucks" and then eat chocolate but not admit that you suck, that would be hypocrisy. Re-read the definition.

Liftaboveall · 2023-04-14T14:57:32+00:00

and then proceed to date a guy with his exact mindset (hits gym, successful, masculine etc)

There are like other men who do those things also?

Steakman1 · 2023-04-14T15:27:22+00:00

You can be into the gym, be successful, and masculine without having Tate’s world views. The options as a man aren’t just being a lazy, poor, male feminist or a Tate follower. I get the point you’re trying to male. But your example is poor. There are many conservative type men who could be described as masculine and successful who strongly disagree with Tate on many things.

Ockwords · 2023-04-14T16:24:07+00:00

You cant say Tate is bad, and then proceed to date a guy with his exact mindset (hits gym, successful, masculine etc)

Tate didn't invent going to the gym, being masculine, or being successful. You can be all of those things without the negative ideas he injects into it.

i am also applying tate mindset and i am havig solid success with women

lol

AstronautLoveShack · 2023-04-14T16:07:50+00:00

I'm married to a normal Jose who is 5'8" and a bartender. He does go to the gym but that is not a Tate thing, it's a staying healthy and fit thing for my husband that preceded Tate's birth and RP. So Tate the probable sex trafficker is indeed bad and if I were single, I'd feel free to mock and refuse to date Tate followers.

bigpapirick · 2023-04-14T16:02:58+00:00

But isn't the issue with Tate that he deliberately holds a stance on how to treat women and how to be "alpha" or whatever? It's not that its just his habits or his lifestyle about fitness and fashion, career, etc. It's that he communicates and delivers his message directly in an offensive way to some? He embraces and communicates misogyny.

So your comparison of your make-believe conversation is a false equivalency. The guy working at Target that you described was not described as being so obscenely tunnel visioned as we have seen Tate to be.

NakedStreets · 2023-04-14T16:07:57+00:00

This may blow your mind: there were tall men even before Andrew Tate was born, and it wasn’t because of their “mindset.”

Environmental_Day558 · 2023-04-14T17:06:42+00:00

Tate drinks sparkling water and breathes fresh air, I drink sparkling water and breathe fresh air, therefore I have a Tate mindset.

This is your logic essentially. Tate did not invent masculinity, he's just one of the best to market it to insecure teens and behind the curve adult males. He's the manosphere version of a mega church pastor.

wtknight · 2023-04-14T17:11:46+00:00

Women think that there are high value men out there who don’t have Andrew Tate mindsets. They are probably right. Most attractive men like women on a certain level because women give them what they want. It’s overwhelmingly lower value men who have Tate mindsets. Men who are actually attractive and have Tate mindsets are the minority.

2023-04-14T17:25:23+00:00

That is also a form of Gaslighting, it is not okay.

It amazes me that this sub is all about- men should be stoic, control their emotions and so on. But then come out with takes like 'women are GASLIGHTING me and that is NOT OK'

Zestyclose_Truth9999 · 2023-04-14T17:35:47+00:00

You cant say Tate is bad, and then proceed to date a guy with his exact mindset (hits gym, successful, masculine etc) and IGNORE the Dudes that are "against tate his mindset" (lazy normal dudes who work at target male feminists kinda guys)

Yes, I can.

I give literally ZERO shits what a complete nobody on the internet thinks about my relationship. 🤣

This post is perfect example of what happens when people are chronically online and are raging about the fact real life doesn't follow the template of whatever rubbish ideology they've decided is in vogue at the moment.

harmonica2 · 2023-04-14T19:04:33+00:00

I don't know that much about Tate, but what is it people I think is bad about him?

He talks about how it's good to work out and make money if you want to get women. This makes sense.

But then people say he creates incels but how could he be creating incels if he tells guys to work out and make money which incels seem to lack both in usually?

gate18 · 2023-04-14T19:18:02+00:00

Him : okay perfectly fine nothing wrong with that, therefore would u date a 5'10 average joe that works at target and treats u well like u want it?

her: What does that have to do with a mindset

me: Nothing.

Her: "Chocolate is the most disgusting thing on the planet" and then 5 minutes drinking milk.

You: "You cant say Tate is bad, and then proceed to date a guy with his exact mindset (hits gym, successful, masculine etc)"

Me: That's not the definition of mindset.

IGNORE the Dudes that are "against tate his mindset" (lazy normal dudes who work at target male feminists kinda guys)

You don't really think only feminist kinda guys believe Tate to be dumb.

And yes i have ZERO Problems with Women that say Tate is disgusting then date a normal joe schmoe

27-famous-men-proud-to-be-feminists

blacksheepvagabond · 2023-04-14T15:56:03+00:00

Andrew Tate is an insecure misogynist and a grifter. His “mindset” is nonsensical BS for immature teenage boys.

A woman who thinks Andrew Tate is toxic and is also attracted to successful, in-shape dudes is not hypocritical at all. You seem to be convinced that the entire population of men are divided into two mutually exclusive categories.

I’m a feminist anarchist who lifts 3x/week, drives a pickup, and has no problem being emotionally vulnerable. I’ve worked in offices and on farms. I’ve lived extravagantly and I’ve lived frugally. So which of the two categories of men do I fit into? Does my gym routine and pickup and prior farm work mean I have a “masculine Andrew Tate mindset”? Does being a feminist who worked at a call center make me a “lazy normal dude”?

It’s just so weird to me to stick people into rigid and artificial categories. Men are not monoliths. Women are not monoliths. The sooner you understand this, the easier it will be to navigate life.

revente · 2023-04-14T15:11:34+00:00

Everyone is a hypocrite.

I too want a virgin girl that lets me fuck her like a pornstar on the first date and takes it in the pooper by the 3rd one.

KayRay1994 · 2023-04-14T17:52:04+00:00

so the opposite of andrew tate is “a 5’10 average joe who works at target”?

also your premise falls apart entirely when you define Tate as simply as “hits the gym, successful, masculine” implying that the opposite is “lazy normal dudes who work at target male feminist kinda guy” - like for one thing you’re very conveniently ignoring the blatant misogyny, sex trafficking, rape, abuse, etc while somehow also placing him as the only image of both masculinity and success.

Essentially your post boils down to “women who hate date but date masculine men are hypocrites”…. which isn’t the case cause Tate, while a prime example of toxic masculinity, isn’t someone who defines what masculinity is.

But ultimately the greatest irony of this post is the mention of gaslighting…. while that is literally what you’re currently doing

Disco_Lightning · 2023-04-14T18:03:57+00:00

"If you say you hate broccoli, it doesn't make sense if you like celery, because celery is a green plant and that makes you a lying hypocrite"

Tricky_Dog1465 · 2023-04-14T18:22:54+00:00

My son has never listened or followed Andrew tate, yet he works out, works on cars, can do shit around the house, ect.

Men don't have to follow tate to do "guy things. " except for the working out he learned most of the stuff from me and my dad. We both work on cars, do electrical repairs, plumbing, construction, ect.

Tate doesn't have a monopoly on guy stuff lol

MistyMaisel · 2023-04-14T18:28:00+00:00

I don't think women and men criticize Andrew Tate because he goes to the gym, has money, and is masculine? (whatever that means. I don't seem him as masculine being honest).

I think, Andrew Tate gets his hate because his money is ill-gotten gains from the exploitation of WOMEN AND MEN. I think he gets hate for saying terrifically awful and uncharitable things about BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. And finally, I think Andrew Tate gets hate because he has a stupid accent, a stupid face, and looks like an angry q-tip and people are shallow and petty.

The idea that women want to date men who work out, have money, and are masculine is not something Andrew Tate invented, nor is he very good at any of it. Yes, we do not want to date a boring man who can only be recommended for never having participated in human trafficking as a career opportunity and because he's not even clever enough to say awful inflammatory things for a paycheck.

I hope you yourself by "applying a tate mindset" mean that you've started going to the gym, developed a little ambition, and learned that it is ok to be a bit boyish and flaunt some more masculine qualities. I hope it does not mean you're emotionally abusing women, being cruel and unusual to them during sex, and figuring out how to set up a human trafficking pad in an Eastern European Country.

Assuming you've done the former, great. Tate didn't invent that. Frankly, I could not tell you who invented that, but I know it wasn't him if only because Jocko Willink, Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan predate him by decades. All he did was add in saying awful shit with that advice. And I do not think saying awful shit with that advice is an improvement on the module.

If you mean the latter, I mean, change your heart or die basically?

SnoLeppard13 · 2023-04-14T18:28:41+00:00

Isn’t this a false dichotomy? You can work out, be driven, be masculine, and also not have Tate’s misogynistic views like he owns the women he’s with or “toxic masculinity” like moving to another country so he can be above the law (love how that worked out).

There’s a pretty big gap between masculine and being just a straight up asshole.

Safinated · 2023-04-14T16:07:00+00:00

If a woman is young, attractive, part of a financially dependent harem, gets beaten, and hates Tate, sure

Otherwise no

Early-Christmas-4742 · 2023-04-14T17:27:38+00:00

Him : okay perfectly fine nothing wrong with that, therefore would u date a 5'10 average joe that works at target and treats u well like u want it?

Her : No

It's pretty clear that it's the 5'10" and workong at target that she finds unattractive rather than the mindset. Therefore nothing hypocritical about it.

Another example would be

"I hate chocolate"

"Would you eat an onion with jam on it?"

"No"

Nothing hypocritical about that.

Zadacat · 2023-04-14T18:04:59+00:00

What you describe as “non tate” is just a guy. She could be attracted to someone who is tall and not in a tate mindset.

Being 5’10 and working at target is not “the opposite of tate mindset”

Monkebizniss · 2023-04-14T18:07:04+00:00

Everyone wants a partner who is successful, physically fit, and attractive. But if hating and ridiculing the opposite sex is how they have to motivate themselves (which I think, quite often, it is, for both men and women), then there’s nothing wrong with calling that out as toxic. Men want a woman who doesn’t JUST care about her looks to the point that she’s shallow; but we also don’t want a woman who’s ugly. People are allowed to have standards, and they’re allowed to compromise some of those standards as well.

xcheshirecatxx · 2023-04-14T18:16:20+00:00

You realize that there are men with real jobs that allow them to buy a house, without having a Tate mindset ?

Reasonable_Volume_96 · 2023-04-14T18:32:04+00:00

I mean, I do agree that dating someone with a Tate mindset is hypocritical if you don't prescribe to it - but it's also likely dangerous.

I'm assuming your scenario is a hypothetical - most people would not say yes to a date with a rando without actually talking to them and determining if they would want to spend more time with them and get to know them.

I say this outside the "That person is really hot and I'd fuck them" people who aren't looking for a relationship because that's a whole different thing.

The issue is, it isn't black and white - it isn't Chad or Joe Shmoe - it's all the in between that don't get acknowledged.

A hypothetical average dude who's nice on paper sounds... Like a blueprint. What does he like? What does he do for fun? Does he have a good relationship with his mom? Does he have platonic female friends? Does he make you laugh? Is he interesting? All of these things are what make someone datable - but that is subjective to the person seeking a romantic relationship to determine if they personally find those things attractive.

Your example of a man, in my mind, is a no-personality cardboard cutout so without context, if I were single, I would need to know a lot more before I even had a yes or no to whether I would date this hypothetical man.

2023-04-14T19:12:49+00:00

People hate Tate because there's videos of him describing how he used fraud and trickery to keep women in the sex work industry (which falls under the legal definition of trafficking.

He also has six rape accusations as far back as 2015 and a bunch of pretty horrendous leaked audio recordings of him berating and threatening his employees.

This isn't 'he said some mean things about women' anymore.

InjectAdrenochrome · 2023-04-14T19:43:41+00:00

My bf and ex bfs never acted like Tate. He is kind of a terrible guy and makes schizoid level takes.

meshflesh40 · 2023-04-14T20:12:29+00:00

When im 1st dating a girl and she brings up andrew tate

Me: andrew who?? Red pill?? Whats that??

Even though i agree with red pill philosophy and women respond well to it in practice......overtly and literally breaking down red pill ideologies to a woman in realtime is dating suicide. Haha

Sad_Top1743 · 2023-04-14T16:19:58+00:00

The women that are complaining about him can’t even land a guy like that.

I overheard the barista at Starbucks complaining about him the other day…literally overweight, colored hair and unattractive…these women aren’t even on guys radar yet they’re “rejecting” them lol

Hot women still gravitate to masculine, tall confident dudes

Conscious_Ad_6572 · 2023-04-14T16:29:56+00:00

My player friend told me this,

If tate changed his name to Dave, and said and did the same things, girls will be on his dock all night long

Bugatti. Private plane, 6 pack, world boxing champion, talks slick, Tons of women lining up for him

Yup no woman wants that

earbus · 2023-04-14T16:22:09+00:00

Andrew Tate also has a lot of "dumb takes" like he would get off a plane that has a woman pilot or women shouldn't have jobs and stuff.

Women don't agree with that.

Women still want a... good partner for themselves.

The same way MEN should want a good partner, not a feminist blue haired land whale.

Latter-Court-5573 · 2023-04-14T15:55:50+00:00

The women who say they want a feminist man, who’s in touch with their emotions, date stoics and conservative men, who embody masculinity. They are hypocritical and it’s why you should never take advice from women

lwfstryc9 · 2023-04-14T16:38:38+00:00

I'm not sure OP got his point across very well. We're not talking about Tate as a whole, but some of the stuff he has said is true. And when he made those comments, he was criticized for those comments by feminists and their allied males. This phenomenon isn't exclusive to Tate. It applies to every individual that calls out some of females bullshit.

BigVulvaEnergy · 2023-04-14T17:47:16+00:00

That moldy dick of a man doesn't own the concepts of fitness and success.

I wouldn't call him masculine.

It's not gaslighting to not like an individual who goes to the gym. And still go to the gym.

JFC.

just_a_place · 2023-04-14T19:21:12+00:00

That's you need to SHOW NOT TELL. By that I mean women appreciate and morbidly enjoy the attitude but it annoys and irks them when you verbalize it.

If you are going to be assertive the be assertive. You don't go around telling women how you assert yourself, that's just going to annoy them and make you look like a goof. Act, don't talk.

And in what planet do you live where an average woman wouldn't date an average dude who is 5ft 10 and working at a Target? And what the hell does any of that jazz have to do with Tate or women's tastes or what? You're not making any sense there.

Your chocolate analogy also makes zero sense and it doesn't follow from the previous example you gave.

Also, lazy is not normal. And a man is not lazy just because he doesn't give a fuck about the same interests and fads that you're into like the gym, career, masculinity (whatever context you mean here) etc..

The reason women are gaslighting you is because you are making the foolish mistake of listening to what they say instead of paying attention to what they do. If she says she "hates chocolate" and then you see her eating chocolate, like a piggy out of a trough, then give her chocolate even if she plays coy and wrinkles her nose at you for offering.

Part of "masculism" is asserting yourself, especially when you know you're in the right. Another feature of masculism is that we are highly visual animals. We look at our environment in order to discern and navigate it. We watch women in order to figure them out. That is why I reiterate: LOOK at what they do, not what they say.

zaph239 · 2023-04-14T16:31:36+00:00

You're wasting you time, women are in heavy denial mode. The reality is, women have all the power in the dating world and end up with toxic men because they are the men they want.

Alas no women will ever admit that to themselves, even feminists. They may go on about power and empowerment but most women want neither. Being empowered means taking responsibility for the your bad choices and their consequences.

Women would rather claim that all men are toxic and they have no choice other than to date toxic men.

JasenBorne · 2023-04-14T17:26:08+00:00

of course it would be hypocritical, but women who dislike Andrew Tate do not date men like Andrew Tate - this is the lie some of y'all been sold.

women can spot these Tate fans from a mile away and are repulsed by it. no, a man who works out, is successful and masculine =/= Andrew Tate. me best mate is 28yrs old tall, althletic, into all kinds of sports, physiotherapist, alllll the girls want to fuck him. his mindset is the opposite of Andrew Tate which is why he charms the pants off everyone. literally.

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Flashy-Country-800 · 2023-04-14T16:31:23+00:00

This is just the classic denying the antecedent logical fallacy.

SpiritualSag96 · 2023-04-14T17:08:26+00:00

The Tate mindset isn’t JUST about going to the gym, achieving financial successful and having a strong masculine protector/provider energy.

The Tate mindset also includes preferring a girl who’s younger, preferably a virgin who doesn’t have a ton of life experience/need to work, and occasionally cheating on your partner yet expecting loyalty from the woman after achieving financial status. I’ve watched a LOT of Tate content out of cursorily so I know what I’m talking about.

Good job trying to make women who hate Tate come across as hypocrites when you’re conveying one part of his mindset and not the full picture.

SoumarRu · 2023-04-14T18:21:56+00:00

This is insulting as 5 10 guy making 6 figures

SkookumTree · 2023-04-14T18:39:48+00:00

I mean...are we talking a guy who does kickboxing or something and lifts, or a fucking grifter sack of shit?

RadicalAzrael · 2023-04-14T19:14:18+00:00

”The iron rule of politics is that if there are real problems in society and responsible parties don’t deal with them, the irresponsible parties will jump on them.” -Daniel Schwammenthal, director, American Jewish Committee (tai).

Seems the many “left-wing” sides have made it a point to present masculinity as a bad thing, vilifying men and causing them to suffer in silence. As a result you now have right wing sides trying to use that as a bargaining tool to get men to do things the “right way” pun intended. By simply speaking about their struggles you can observe how many men who wouldn’t be left wing for example have been either pushed , or assumed to be right wing / alt right via trying to be pro male etc.

So naturally now you have grifters targeting these men. Many of which are not even on a political side despite our cultures endless efforts to create sides.

When it comes to this whole “tate mindset” stuff, the hook regarding this manosphere content initially starts with common sense. Which isn’t political. For some reason it seems that all of a sudden everyone has to pick sides and create these false dichotomies about what it means to simply do masculine things.

Andrew tate isn’t the ambassador of the things you’ve mentioned below, although for some reason because he’s parroted a few things here and there along with his own personal takes suddenly it’s now his thing?

He is indeed not a good person to turn to for conductive relationships, not to mention how someone like him is more of a character (moreso a grifter) that absorbs from the same well of men who are struggling to find themselves in this modern climate.

And lastly , there’s a certain pool of women that is rather prevalent depending on the environment that runs parallel to a lot of what he and other podcasters would espouse (all of those Miami trip instagram wannabe model only fans girls that chase clout by joining their streams)

It’s easy to point fingers and call out some perceived hypocrisy but truthfully , most people are not like either tate , or those bimbos that he counters. Keyword most. Not sure what’s going on with all of this polarization and the chronically online individuals that begin to get constant exposure of what’s wrong with the other gender.

But that last point, sure— I can agree that you’ll attract certain types of women. Men and women aren’t a monolith.

Philip8000 · 2023-04-14T21:09:41+00:00

It's not the "go to the gym, work on yourself, dress nice, learn social skills" I have an issue with. It's the attitude of: "Women are disgusting, entitled harpies who compete with each other to suck Chad's dick" I hear so often here.

MonicaB92 · 2023-04-14T21:54:32+00:00

What mindset and stuff? He's 1.9m tall, kickboxing champion and has fuck you money.

How he behaves is not applicable to most men, they will simply not get away with it.

/I don't know him, I only checked wikipedia, haven't seen any of his videos, but I bet he is just an archetype of RedPill and spews out Alpha Male dating advice.

womandatory · 2023-04-15T00:09:47+00:00

I don’t think most women would date a man who supported trafficking women into sexual servitude. The women that would don’t likely support that mindset, they’re just dumb enough to think they can hitch a shortcut ride to notoriety by hanging around a deadshit like that.

I’ve never met Tate, but I’ve met his ilk. Men like that become instantly ugly the moment they open their mouths to speak.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-04-15T01:38:32+00:00

Where you're wrong is that you see "hits gym, successful masculine" as Tate,

whereas I see Tate as "hits gym, failure lives-for-social-media mildly-stupid-narcissist".

Meaning the only things going for him is hitting the gym and being a narcissist (I like narcissists, shoot me)

CatchPhraze · 2023-04-15T05:42:26+00:00

Hitler was fond of water and drank it for years. If you're a fan of water you're basically endorsing all his ideals.

Bro...why.

Substantial_Video560 · 2023-04-15T10:29:59+00:00

As an MGTOW I can't abide Andrew Tate. He's a twat!

Title	CMV : Its hypocrisy to hate on Andrew Tate and his Mindset, and then proceed to date a guy with a "Tate mindset"
Author	No_Incident4004
Upvotes	41
Comments	280
Date	April 14, 2023 1:56 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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