It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds?

VWGUYWV · 2024-06-02T17:07:33+00:00

"fault" and "blame" and "responsibility" in these contexts do not help and the use of the word inappropriately drives the conversation in an unproductive direction. Humans are somewhat obsessed with these concepts, as if everything is a court of law and/or we are to minimize our fault.

If a man does everything he can and a woman doesn't find him attractive, then it simply is. There is no blame or fault or responsibility involved.

I think this whole thing just makes us feel better and gives us a false sense of control. For instance, there are 2 almost identical fights. In one, the guy is knocked out and lands in the grass. In another, same thing happens but the guy's head hits a tiny rock in the yard no one could see and he is killed. The first case might not even result in an arrest, in the second case the family and others will want to charge the guy with 3rd degree murder. Same exact actions, just random chance intervened. The reason this is natural to us is because if we figure out whose fault it is and then punish them, then we feel like the cosmic order is restored and we can perhaps prevent these bad things from happening again (we get to tie a bow on it and fall asleep easier at night).

Zabadoodude · 2024-06-02T14:58:02+00:00

It's not about who's at fault. It's about what you can control. You're only able to control your own actions, so good dating advice focuses on that.

Barneysparky · 2024-06-02T14:33:09+00:00

You cannot control what others think.

This is not about fault.

Pegmaster6969696969 · 2024-06-02T19:05:18+00:00

It wasn't my fault being born ugly but it wasn't women's fault either

Just_Natural_9027 · 2024-06-02T15:19:17+00:00

No it’s no one’s fault because we are controlled by biological impulses. Much of attraction is subconscious. Physical Attractiveness are just biological health markers. There’s phenomenal studies on this if you can get past your own hang ups on the subject.

So no it’s not a guys fault nor is it women’s fault either.

The problem is that last sentence guys expect way more out women than they do themselves.

Lanaglu · 2024-06-02T14:50:40+00:00

If someone can't attract people then they are at fault in the sense it's because of who they are and what they are doing.

However who people are attracted to is up to them, humans aren't a video game where if you input the right moves they have to date you, it's ultimately outside your control. and Sometimes it's influenced by things you can't change or things you shouldn't change.

And fault is the wrong way to look at it I think.

Ultramega39 · 2024-06-02T15:16:38+00:00

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hearyoume14 · 2024-06-02T15:47:29+00:00

Sometimes there is no fault. I don’t believe there is someone for everyone. There have always been people that never had a partner.

I will say that I see individuals not take accountability for their role. This is a human characteristic. I am a woman who was rejected due to my “shitty personality”. It isn’t your fault but it is your responsibility to deal with it.

Personality is a big part of attracting a mate. Unfortunately more and more people have insecure attachment and trauma especially trauma from early childhood trauma that is baked in them.

Salt_Alternative_86 · 2024-06-02T20:48:14+00:00

To be fair, society can be very cruel to undesired men for nothing more than not being in the top 20%. Paul Joseph Watson calling incels "the most dangerous virgins", daily wire calling childless men "anthropologically gay", and far worse from the left. Society used to have monasteries for a reason. Now the left literally riots if we dare try to have a men's shelter despite men being 4x as likely to be homeless. We need to quit viewing men as utilities to only be allowed a place if they are useful in that exact moment, not have Lauren Chen and Allie Beth Stuckley calling to imprison homeless men for not producing for other people. Boxer the workhorse from animal farm was treated better.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-06-02T14:32:23+00:00

“If nobody likes you and you are the only constant, maybe it’s not a them problem”

TermAggravating8043 · 2024-06-02T15:36:09+00:00

Who else’s fault is it supposed to be?

Ok-Dust-4156 · 2024-06-02T15:31:16+00:00

Attraction is totally random and only thing that somebody have any sort of control is how often you can roll the dice and what kind of people are around you. You can blame shut-in who don't talk to people at all and expect girl fall from the sky. But if you go out and and at least try to talk to people you find suitable then it isn't your fault. It's just bad luck.

EulenWatcher · 2024-06-02T14:59:55+00:00

Not fault, but rather it's their responsibility. Other people don't have any responsibility for your dating life unless you're already dating.

Brilliant_Island8498 · 2024-06-02T15:39:51+00:00

Your best power as a man is to walk away, nobody respects men’s issue.

No matter how you phrase this question men is always at fault

If a man leaves a woman it’s never her fault or if she can’t find a man it’s never her fault or if she can’t keep a man it’s never her fault

But if a guy can’t get laid society is always quick to assume

Westernation · 2024-06-02T15:43:12+00:00

I don’t know about any of that - but if a man is without female companionship for any length of time, people around him will inevitably start whispering about whether he’s gay.

WebBorn2622 · 2024-06-02T19:44:06+00:00

A lot of the time it’s no one’s fault. There just isn’t a spark there

Most_Read_1330 · 2024-06-03T00:20:45+00:00

No because women often pick the wrong men

Caicedonia · 2024-06-03T00:21:46+00:00

As you can see, women blame nature. As if they have no control over it. See when humans have no issues left, they create more issues.

If you want a wife who doesn’t care about height then honestly man, Africa and Asia are the only places to look. Maybe some eastern countries as well but you have to looksmaxx like crazy.

And for the love of god, raise the kid (if male) in another country. If she’s female she’ll get friends and dick and unlimited dopamine hits wherever she goes as long as she doesn’t get fat.

krackedy · 2024-06-02T14:39:26+00:00

Some guys could make choices to greatly improve their chances of attracting women (losing weight, getting better at socializing, etc). I wouldn't say it's their fault if they struggle with these things though.

If they refuse to even acknowledge their own issues or attempt at improving I'd have zero sympathy though.

TRTGymBro1 · 2024-06-02T17:18:33+00:00

I think I’m witnessing the making of a mental illness in real time. Your negative thoughts are just chasing each other around in your own head. Write them all down on a piece of paper and keep doing it until you start seeing just how irrational and crazy they are.

IronDBZ · 2024-06-02T14:45:01+00:00

When it comes to what people think, yes.

When it comes to what's true, of course not.

People hate context and love to discriminate. Men who aren't successful are the easiest targets to take shots at and it's easier the more they can be blamed for their "failures".

jazzmaster1992 · 2024-06-02T14:48:24+00:00

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt and say that a good number of guys who "can't attract women" actually have been attractive to women and had their interest. The issue is that men are not always told that they have to be the ones to initiate. I've found out weeks, months or even years after interacting with a woman that she was wondering why I didn't ask her out or try to hook up with her, even when she wasn't flirting, and it felt like there was no chemistry between us.

I also think there's a difference between "being unable to attract someone romantically" and "actively repulsing people". The whole Rule 1 & 2 thing gets memed to death, but there's a lot of wisdom in it. Being attractive means actually turning someone on, and being interesting to them in a romantic way. Not being unattractive implies not waving red flags or doing things which actively repulse others. Among the men who struggle to date, they probably don't understand what makes women sexually aroused, or they're oblivious to when those women are showing initial interest and they fumble it and she moves on.

In any case, I don't really like to play the blame game. Saying it's someone's "fault" is a little harsh and not always true. What I would say is this: if your dating life isn't what you want it to be, it is your responsibility to make it better. That usually means getting out of your head and interacting with other people with some kind of intentionality, like going to a social event, meeting people, and taking the risk of talking to and asking out a woman you're attracted to if you happen to meet one. And you do that, make some mistakes and learn from them until you're successful.

bokan · 2024-06-02T14:56:08+00:00

Yes. It’s a cognitive bias. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error

Unhappy_Offer_1822 · 2024-06-02T15:23:13+00:00

its not really a matter of who's at fault here. its more about your problem solving skills. the majority seem to use the same approach. but theres not only one way to solve a problem. most people just dont figured that out

Nellylocheadbean · 2024-06-02T15:24:14+00:00

If no one likes you romantically then it’s more of a you problem. You have to adjust yourself to what someone would deem worthy of being a romantic option. It’s not necessarily your fault but your responsibility if you want someone to like you romantically.

SecondEldenLord · 2024-06-02T17:30:18+00:00

It is funny to me how a man is always considered a loser and worthless just because he cannot attract women and that he MUST BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. No one wants to admit of how important your genetics or your financial status are because it makes women look bad.

Fun_Push7168 · 2024-06-02T16:22:01+00:00

People can only respond with potential ways to improve the situation. Maybe it comes off as an accusation of inadequacy but it's not the meaning or intent.

Realistic-Ad-1023 · 2024-06-02T16:55:08+00:00

It’s not about fault. It’s about recognizing where you can improve.

If you’re the one complaining, you’re the one I’m going to give advice to. When I’m on other subs- like relationship advice- I give advice to whichever gender is asking for the advice.

I don’t think it’s anyone fault that someone doesn’t like them, but I do think there are ways you can take a neutral sentiment and make it positive or a neutral sentiment and make it negative. And I’ve found more often than not, men are really against any changes to “who they are” and think women should just love them because they asked nicely. Women on the other hand are pretty socialized from birth to change, to be what someone wants us to be, to act in a way “becoming of a lady.” “No boy will ever want you if you wear too much makeup.” “No boy wants a girl who can’t cook.” “Women who are sluts aren’t marriage material.” There are thousands of them we heard growing up.

So women know how to peacock, we know how to engage with someone we like, we know how to show off our good traits early on in dating. I don’t think men received this same messaging because you’ve never needed it before. You’d pick a woman, because babies were the end all be all and she needed help to do that, help to survive outside of her family of origin, and she’d say yes and dating was primarily done very young and most people were married by their early twenties. It’s not like that any more and men have never been given the messaging about how to attract women. They will slowly, but right now is that in between time - sort of like second wave feminism. It went too far with some ideologies trying to find women’s identity in this new world. And women had to fight against a lot of messaging, either way, and center their lives around choice, compatibility, and joy. It’s not perfect, it’s still a fight we are fighting but we are getting there. I do have hope that men will get there too. But, in the meantime, we have advice forums.

FreitasAlan · 2024-06-02T19:52:20+00:00

There’s no fault. At best, there’s failure to attract. If the man wants to attract but he can’t, he failed to attract. If the woman wants to an attract a specific man but she can’t, she failed to attract him. It’s no one’s fault because there’s no moral imperative that anyone should be able to attract or be attracted to anyone else.

2024-06-03T18:44:43+00:00

Red pill says the fault always is on the man, at least the old school shit I was browsing 10 years ago lol.

But that's the way life is and should be. Idk about women who take full accountability because it's rare or I haven't seen it and god knows men are loathe to bite their tounges and work shit out themselves.

But it's pretty common sense if something is going wrong in my life it's because of a decision I'm making or something I'm allowing to happen or not seeing etc.

I think the red pillers think that because women tend to get a bail out socially and usually in terms of mental health support etc that men are more at risk and have to take more accountability.

If we reversed the systems and gave men cushy pillows to land on and forced women out on the street then obviously the wise thing would be to say hey women, you HAVE to take full accountability because if you don't you're fucked.

In reality or at least in nature's eyes, an individual is burdened with the necessity to be totally accountable for their own life and therefore existence. Team work is definitely a plus but it isn't reality in the same way.

If a man can't attract women then it's his problem. He has to figure out why, solve the problem. It might be unsolvable for some which is the brutal truth. In that sense he's at "fault" for his own situation, in one way, in another it's pre-determined.

We need to remove the idea of fault at some point. But for this conversation it's ok

DarayRaven · 2024-06-02T15:04:44+00:00

Beyond objective physical standards you are always competing with other men in a womans head, men that they don't even know exist sometimes especially when it comes down to attraction at first sight. You compete with guys in your social circle for whom they deem as datable and not datable to deny this would be to deny in a friendgroup there's guys the women would say yes to and no to in terms of dating. You compete with the good parts of her ex, which is almost always looks, sex, how exciting or interesting your life is/how charismatic you are and financial status. You compete with attractive men on tiktok or instagram if she views any or has enterained any in her dms, it just raises her standard for looks of her ideal man.

This is something many guys have to get out of their framework, yes your always going to find yourself competing for attention from women who don't like you

However

Women that do, will never make you compete since they are the one's competing for your attention

women make rules for betas and break them for alphas, l never competed for my girlfriend's attention, she was just drawn to me because l didn't make it easy for her, your only competing if you give her the idea your easy to get

grillopie · 2024-06-02T14:49:56+00:00

I dont know if its an issue of fault that you have failed in many cases, but like with anything else, you can do better. You can be more creative, more interesting etc. but instead of trying to do better, trying to meet different people who might like you, you try to justify and solidify your failure, it becomes your fault at that point.

Life is competitive. I dont see why dating would be different. There is going to be a competitive element.

januaryphilosopher · 2024-06-02T15:39:47+00:00

I don't think most people consider this to be an issue of fault or blame. It's not wrong to not be attracted to something or have a characteristic someone else isn't attracted to.

nopridewithoutshame · 2024-06-02T15:24:30+00:00

You're not competing with a woman's ex. Your competing with her current happiness and peace of mind. It's up to you to prove that you would make her life better. If you can't do that then she has no reason to choose you. It's that way with all relationships even friendships.

wtknight · 2024-06-02T15:33:31+00:00

Yes, because women can't consciously change what they are attracted to. "Attraction can't be negotiated". If a man can't do what is necessary for some woman to be attracted to him, then almost all of the time it is his fault, although there are cases where because of very unfortunate genetics he probably can't do too much.

Refusetosay12 · 2024-06-02T16:38:56+00:00

People often use the word "fault" when "responsibility" would better fit. But even "responsible" implies "blame" in some people's minds.

A man may not be at fault or in anyway to blame for his dating struggles, but he's responsible for the actions he takes to try to overcome those struggles.

Expensive-Tea455 · 2024-06-02T16:55:08+00:00

If he’s not doing anything to make himself attractive, then yes, it’s his fault

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AntonioSLodico · 2024-06-02T17:59:09+00:00

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MiddleZealousideal89 · 2024-06-02T18:46:54+00:00

I wouldn't say it's his fault, as in he's always 100% responsible for the reason he's not attractive to the opposite sex. If you were born unfortunate looking, or you have some mental health/developmental issue going on, you didn't make yourself that way. But if he struggles to find people who are romantically interested in him, he most likely has some faults, as in undesirable traits. Some of them he might be able to work on (if he's overweight he can make some lifestyle changes and lose the weight), and some of them he might not be able to overcome (you can't cure your autism). The guy might not be responsible for the unattractive qualities he has, however, it's his responsibility to try and make himself more attractive if he wants to have a chance of success with women. Sitting around complaining that other people have more attractive qualities than those you possess isn't going to resolve anything.

Professional_Chair28 · 2024-06-02T20:05:43+00:00

I don’t think it’s anyone’s ‘fault’ if they haven’t found the right person for them. So much of it just comes down to luck and timing.

-Shes-A-Carnival · 2024-06-02T20:37:55+00:00

Green-Quantity1032 · 2024-06-02T22:22:24+00:00

No it's the fault of 50% of the population

OddWish4 · 2024-06-03T01:02:16+00:00

It’s a woman’s fault if she can’t attract men as well. It’s nothing to do with gender, and all about your own traits as an individual human. I personally believe almost every negative trait can be overcome if people are willing.

sexual_powerhouse · 2024-06-03T01:48:52+00:00

It depends. If I get invited to a woman's place and ate a fart bar before hand, that's on me.

Cjaylyle · 2024-06-03T07:25:59+00:00

Well who elses fault could it possibly be?

obviousredflag · 2024-06-03T08:06:21+00:00

people believe you have more control in who likes you romantically than you actually do.

We don't have control over anything and there is no free will. But since that is a reality we don't want to live in, we all swallowed the blue pill and want to believe we can control certain things. Most people would agree, that you can control how many women and what kind of women you approach, to check if she is mutually interested in you. Most people would also agree, that there is at least one woman within reasonable reach of every man, that would be interested in him. Real life couples show, that you don't need to be any level of attractive, rich, famous, intelligent, witty, kind, etc. to find a woman who wants to be in a romantic relationship with you. There is no "you need to be this <good> to have a girlfriend" bar, that you must meet. Why? Because women are just as flawed, and the "lower desirability" women simply cannot get a better man, than the flawed "lower desirability" man. All this "we are rather single than..." talk doesn't hold up to reality. Most women are with very flawed men, and this will never change.

So, what is in your control (at least if you believe in free will), is how many women of your level you approach in a way that is received well by those women. This will eventually result in a relationship.

What the red pill is mostly concerned about is improving how many women you attractive to and how to approach them in a way that is well received. So, improving your odds, lowering the amount of approaches you need to do on average to find a girlfriend. Most people would agree, that doing those steps is within your control.

Overall, both variables: your attractiveness and the number and quality of your approaches is within your control and it is very much "your fault" for not having a girlfriend after a reasonable amount of time invested into finding one.

What your issue seems to be is that YOU have a problem with being compared. You are insecure about your value, which severely cripples your ability to be an attractive partner and do the approaches. Now, is being insecure due to low self-esteem, probably not enough experience for your age, ultimately your fault? Free will subscribers would say yes. I'd say no.

Put yourself in the shoes of a guy without your insecurity issues. He doesn't even think about her past lovers, past relationships, or how the speed of the progression of the relationship relates to other men. He understands that he is and always will be in competition with all other men and will be measured up to unrealistic ideals, but this doesn't make him feel threatened, because he knows he is capable and worthy of being loved by a woman, despite there being better men. He loves himself, he knows he is a great guy and women on his level cannot get a better man than him. If he is outclassed by a woman's exes, then this woman is not on his level and it's unlikely that she would even be interested in him. If she is, than he is not outclassed, but just insecure about his value.

Difficult_Falcon1022 · 2024-06-03T17:45:17+00:00

Most men I've met certainly could attract a woman, the issue was whether they could attract a woman they wanted to be with and vice versa.

I don't think fault is the right word here either. Its not a man's fault, but it's not anyone else's either.

Ectoplasmic1984 · 2024-06-07T11:50:28+00:00

yeah because for all time, its the man that is trying to attract the woman, not the other way around

Individual_Speech_10 · 2024-06-10T20:16:12+00:00

No. I think dating is largely about luck. I do think the majority of incels and redpillers and the like are alone due to their own faults though.

DreaminInChocolate · 2024-06-16T23:43:10+00:00

I believe you can control how many people like you as a friend but do to the innate existsence of compare and contrast, and competition in dating I don't think you control who likes you to the degree that not having a woman interested is always your fault.

You're wrong. There are autistic people that find it impossible to make friends in life. They're not terrible or unlikable. People avoid them. That's not their fault. Dating is the same. It's not necessarily their fault, but there is something about that person if they can't attract others.

nightsofthesunkissed · 2024-06-02T15:00:01+00:00

"It's not my fault nobody is attracted to me. It's their fault" - the logic of that mentality is exactly what one would expect from someone who is really undesirable.

Like it makes 100% perfect sense that an undesirable person would blame everybody but themselves.

DoubleFistBishh · 2024-06-02T15:25:26+00:00

I wouldn't say it's necessarily his fault but if he refuses to do anything like a lot of the men here then it's his fault.

kookoohubub · 2024-06-02T15:58:16+00:00

... Regardless of gender or sexuality....

Maybe I am hopeful and Naive .. I don't think people in general go around looking to spot a person and try to make an Assumption as to why they are alone why? Can they just be un able attract someone Or are they unable to feel attracted to someone most people think they should be. Oh maybe that there's something wrong with that person. Definitely.Look at that person something wrong with that person.

It's important this is talked about. I think men should talk about things like this more often , Just being unable to talk about the imense stress and pressure ,when feeling judged And criticized and feeling like you're less than your peers of the same gender simply because you're unable to do something that is expected of you. All this is bad for mental health. Lot of this affects men in this specific community.

This was prevalent with young women , Not to say it's no longer a problem. Fortunately, things don't look as bad for the majority of women.And unfortunately this is something that is still very much happening to men.

Realistically I don't think Is it necessarily a person's fault?Because there's no reason to blame someone just because someone else is not attracted to you. If someone doesn't like you in a certain way.I do not think that's the person's fault.

If someone says no one likes me And someone else says well then.You're the problem.I still don't think that's correct.

No one can control how everybody else feels.I wish I really do wish everyone I met liked me as an amazing human being but that is not the case. I once asked someone, who disliked me why do you dislike me, did I do something? person said I don't know.I just don't like you.Not that you've done anything wrong.I just do not like you, I try no matter how hard I try.I cannot bring myself to like you.

I think that's totally fine and normal. What's not normal is Harsh some certain men are taking it. Sometimes men take it out on themselves and feel they are not enough.And it is a personal failure and other times men take it on the women because the women are at fault because the women are choosing to be this way.It's therefore, it's the women who are not attracted to me fault. And both mentalities are unhealthy.

Someone not being attracted to a man.That does not mean there's a problem with the man.They should not have blame themselves oh it's me. NO it's not. People in general Need to learn to accept the fact that not everyone is going to like them. They need to learn how to be okay with that.And that's something very difficult to do. But the reason is important to learn to live with it and accept.It is because if a person dwells on it often they could learn to hate themselves ,or others.

Let's say a young man really is attracted to a young woman and young woman is not attracted to him. he tries to.move on and Of course someone who he thinks is already somewhat attracted to him he himself isn't attracted to this nice young lady that there's nothing relatively wrong with her.She's a very nice woman, but he can't force himself To be attracted to her Just how the young lady who he liked could force herself to like him.

Let's say that this young man keeps on developing an attraction for certain demographical women that have similar traits or features.But this young man is not having any luck.

I still wouldn't say this is Man Fault for proactively pursuing a certain kind of woman. And I wouldn't say it's a woman's fault for not giving this guy a chance.None of these women who share this similar trait give this man a chance.I don't think it's their fault.

If this man genuinely want something to work and he makes an effort to find out what this young lady finds attractive in a partner. Who knows?Maybe something could Bloom from there.Trying to improving yourself to attract the person you wanna attract is not a crime.

If someone wants to say it's impossible the way you put it.No one will ever be at fault for anything.At some point, people need to learn how to be held accountable for the consequences of their actions.I agree.

The people who are at fault are the people who are disliked by everybody.

It's not your fault,if people aren't atracted,and its not thier fault for not being attracted.

But being actively disliked by almost everyone that most certainly must be the person who was being disliked, fault.

BatemaninAccounting · 2024-06-02T18:20:44+00:00

If you live in a major metropolitan area, you go out regularly with mixed groups of single people(or married people with single friends), and you're somewhat put together you're gonna find someone. If you don't meet this criteria, then learn how to take steps to obtain it.

94% of humans on earth manage to do this with at least 1 partner in their lifetime, with the majority doing it with multiple partners. If you're in that 6%, then yes it is "your fault" to some large degree.

bluehorserunning · 2024-06-02T18:52:23+00:00

Not always, no. Some dudes have good hearts but are just awkward AF and don’t know how to display their own strengths.

There’s also a set of people - myself included- who just aren’t attracted to the average guy/gal and have to look really hard for that right person. I literally moved states to find my guy. It’s not someone’s fault that they just haven’t found one of the ones who fit, yet.

Agile-Explanation263 · 2024-06-02T19:17:44+00:00

Sometimes things are too late. Like that man will never experience teen/young love let alone a woman being immaturely in love with him due to women maturing, his own genetic limit etc. Sometimes you start too late because people feed you "women don't care as much about looks" or x factor that us underplayed in alot of average dating advice.

Sure some will complain but most would be more willing to accept thier fate if there wasn't a lie or hope to push them to struggle fof something that is extremely improbable to happen. You can work all you want some scars of rejection just don't fade.

Southern_Fall983 · 2024-06-02T19:21:11+00:00

It’s because the truth of the matter is if you’re not some anti social idiot who has at least decent social skills, job, looks etc. then in theory you should be “enough”. The problem is that in this day and age it simply isn’t. And no, there isn’t anything you can really do to improve your situation without having some attributes that are valuable but also immutable

RubyDiscus · 2024-06-02T14:53:00+00:00

Yes usually incels start behaving a certain way that essentially makes it unlikely that they will find someone.

Example, if they have low self esteem and think no one will want them anyway so they don't go on any dating sites and don't try to meet women.

Or say if they do meet women online or irl they may have negative perceptions of women (say that women are all shallow and only want chads) and it makes them behave more hostile towards the women.

GarbanzoJoe1103 · 2024-06-02T14:43:57+00:00

I mean, yeah. Men’s attractiveness is primarily based on achievement, so unless he’s able to show at least a moderate level of achievement, competency, and dominance over other males, then he has not put in the work and effort to earn female attention.

Sharp_Engineering379 · 2024-06-02T14:48:34+00:00

You compete with the good parts of her ex, which is almost always looks, sex, how exciting or interesting your life is/how charismatic you are and financial status. You compete with attractive men on tiktok or instagram if she views any or has enterained any in her dms, it just raises her standard for looks of her ideal man.

This isn't a thing, especially if she's responsible for initiating a breakup. Most adults don't have the space or energy to compare people who are no longer in their lives to the new person who brings a brand new perspective and brand new energy.

superlurkage · 2024-06-02T14:47:35+00:00

There is a norm, and if you’re below it, people will judge. This is not gender specific

apresonly · 2024-06-03T23:25:35+00:00

there is no "fault" in supply and demand

it is what it is

body types go in an out of style, as do personalities and hobbies.

a shy, artsy guy will have better luck in different generations and places

there is no good/bad with whether someone is attracted to you

they can be unattracted bc you're a shitty person, but simply being unattracted doesn't mean you are a bad of faulty person

Title	It is always a mans fault if he can't attract women in a majority of peoples minds?
Author	Agile-Explanation263
Upvotes	39
Comments	393
Date	June 2, 2024 2:29 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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