As a man, is rejection just frustrating OR a bit deeper than that, more existential, when the subject of your love and adoration chooses another man over you

iamthemovie1992 · 2022-01-19T13:33:59+00:00

Rejection with successes is fine, because it’s impossible to be attractive or unattractive to everyone. But if you get rejected and continue to find no success, that’s a whole nother story. Eventually you just sort of give up.

EnteFetz · 2022-01-19T13:29:11+00:00

It strongly depends on how much she knew me before the rejection and how much I was emotionally invested in her.

If I just want to fuck her, it hurts and breaks my confidence for a while, but I can get over it.

When I get rejected by a girl I have met before and who I like in a more meaningful way, then it is absolutely brutal. It is physically painful and it hurts in ways that go beyond the rational.

I have had a few rejections in my life, where I had physical pain in my heart and breathing got harder for several days.

It completely destroys my self-esteem and will to socialise.

After my last major rejection, I isolated myself for about 2 months, before I was able to normally socialise again.

And to this day I can't talk to her anymore without feeling awful.

That is why men are so terrified of rejection. It hurts in ways that make no sense and it hurts for several days if not weeks and is something I will never forget.

throwawayblue900ss · 2022-01-19T14:33:38+00:00

It is both, but mostly existential. It is a realization that I am not enough.

No one wants to feel they aren't (blank) enough. It is not her fault if she isn't attracted to me, but in the end the blame lies with me, the rejected one. I wasn't, and still am not, good enough.

I would give 30 years off my life to be good enough. To be whatever she needs me to be that I am not. To be who she needs me to be so I will be enough, but I am not.

I fear I never will be, as I stated, it is mostly existential.

Notanothrshitthrow · 2022-01-19T13:26:33+00:00

Depends, the odd rejection here and there did me no harm. However, I had a string of rejections back in the day which certainly did sting, made me question my self worth even though in hindsight, it was just a spell of bad luck.

I don't think women quite understand just how damaging it can be to be the one who is expected to make all the moves, you're just expected to suck up the pain of rejection and plow forward. Then some wonder why so many men choose stoicism...

2022-01-19T16:17:41+00:00

It often feels like women all like the same type of man, so one rejection can feel like rejection from the entire opposite gender.

hungarian_builder · 2022-01-19T12:36:49+00:00

I take it gracefully. Sure, I get angry at first, but not towards the girl. It's towards myself. The fact that I was not good enough again. While the initial anger lasts an other feeling kicks in. It's sort of an adrenaline rush. It lasts for roughly 3 months. It makes me go crazy career and improvement wise. This feeling has fueled me through the last 9-10 years. I became a workaholic. Soon I will have my life together at the age of 23 (and many more improvements are to come). So I would say it's the most useful feeling I ever had. I'm thankful for it, even if it hurts sometimes

heyitsjeape · 2022-01-19T13:40:32+00:00

It’s not frustrating with any particular person but after many consecutive, it sure is.

sootlord · 2022-01-19T12:55:15+00:00

Rejection is a normal part of life. However my thoughts are that society has only made this worst overall. Women get positive social praise in almost every sector and Men have to get scraps only to get rarely get praised at all.

midwesternMD · 2022-01-19T13:17:32+00:00

Just a little frustrating, IMO.

1) I don’t love/adore any woman I’m seeing. That doesn’t happen until at least a few months into a relationship

2) my rejections are early on- think dates 1-3. I may have set my best foot forward, but I’ve also tried to conceal things like my income, family wealth, etc. I’m thrilled she didn’t pass muster and become a potential threat to that.

3) I figure she’s multidating, so I am too. Half the time I’ve got another conversation that I’m ready to advance to a first date.

4) I’d rather be alone and feel alone than be in a relationship and still feel alone. Any day of the week. Been there, done that.

WilliamWyattD · 2022-01-19T13:09:20+00:00

Yes. It hurts. While there is an idiosyncratic compatibility component, that often isn't even at play that much if you get rejected off the bat. In general, it is often harder for a man to shake off female rejection than the other way around. For women, it's easier to hide one's ego behind guys being superficial pigs who only care about looks, and most women's egos probably had to come to term with their looks a long time ago.

While women's attraction calculation by no means perfectly matches up with a man's true value as a human being, a woman's determination is more holistic. It is harder to shake that off because one feels that maybe the rejection does mean you do not measure up in some way that truly matters. And there is a good chance this is true, especially if you are facing a pattern of rejections.

Now, as looks matter more and more for men's chances, especially on OLD, etc., then the above dynamic is changing.

Savierdua · 2022-01-19T13:30:20+00:00

You learn to get over it. It's one of the things that comes with being a man in the modern era. I think it's important for men to emotionally adapt to this early in their lives. Unfortunately, with the decline of male role models, not everyone has the opportunity to be guided towards the right path.

PlayfulLawyer · 2022-01-19T13:46:02+00:00

Just rejection from a random chick? Or even a hundred of them? I don't give a shit, their loss as far as I'm concerned

Now if it's a unique circumstance where I'm feeling one specific girl and I have to work my way up to it and then she rejects me and gets with another guy? That might gets me a little more, but more so when I was younger, now the best way to get over a girl is to get on top of another🤷‍♂️

silentmmgh · 2022-01-19T14:02:23+00:00

Very easy! I don’t like rejection so I don’t put myself in those situations. Don’t ask, don’t get rejected! I honestly don’t understand the whole regret thing against it tho

Ohmaygahh · 2022-01-19T15:15:52+00:00

Jordan Peterson I think sums this feeling up nicely on the youtube video "FIX THIS and you'll GET a GIRLFRIEND". Pay special attention from 4:07 on. This is the core feeling, the brutal truth of female human nature. Women are not just women, they are living incarnate, made flesh, of mother nature. It's not just a metaphor.

It goes deeper than just frustration. Because innately, even most not savvy, unsophisticated man understand this deeply.

AshiusXX · 2022-01-19T19:35:03+00:00

One thing that drives me crazy is that people pretend that romantic rejection is not ''personal''. More than often, it is. Realizing it will us to deal with it better. Otherwise, it feels like copium to me.

Bendetto4 · 2022-01-19T13:00:12+00:00

Being rejected can't help but make you feel less worthy because for all intense and purposes you are less worthy. Someone else has decided that you are not worth their time effort and adoration.

Now that might just be a one off, she might be an idiot who doesn't know what's good for her, or what she wants, or whatever.

But when it happens again and again with different women with different backgrounds and different expectations then there is only really one way you can take it and that is feeling unworthy of love and affection.

What you choose to do with that Knowledge is up to you though, and you can make yourself worthy if you change your attitudes and behaviours.

razormachine · 2022-01-19T17:46:13+00:00

Normal rejections? Naah, those feel like being hit by a nerf gun.

Being rejected by a person I grew close to? Those can really hurt.

BottedeNevers · 2022-01-19T19:21:00+00:00

It depends in the 'other man'.

If hes a great upstanding guy then most men go through that bittersweet moment when they have to accept that despite everything the woman is in safe hands and everything is OK with the world. Time to move on.

Except when its not:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/

The vast majority of BP/RP/PP stems from seeing situations where the 'Henry's' of this world mysteriously having no problem getting involved in multiple relationships with the opposite sex despite them being manifestly despicable people, and how despite 20+ years of men over the internet sharing their lived experience being told that

Move along nothing to see here (Gaslighting)

or

They are worse than Henry and probably misogynistic for having even the temerity to pointing this out when it does happen.

Cultural Dumpster fire will keep burning until someone addresses why this happens.

KingWhoCared86 · 2022-01-19T18:16:32+00:00

For me it makes me feel worthless and have an extreme bitter outlook toward the world. Especially when you feel like you did everything right to be that perfect person for her and you still come up short in the end. Eventually that negative energy I project inward gets bounced outward and I start being petty and needlessly cruel to people.

washington_breadstix · 2022-01-19T19:39:10+00:00

I think if you're talking about something less than unrequited love, like "unrequited attraction" or "unrequited infatuation", then this post-rejection feeling is mostly just frustration, albeit sometimes a quite intense version of frustration, especially if it continues happening again and again while those same women are choosing other men.

The "more existential" level, as you put it, is reached in genuine cases of "unrequited love", where he feels like he has been led on by the girl to some extent. No matter how desirable someone is, one usually does not reach the full-on "love" feeling for that person without at least some mutual sparks flying from both sides, or the illusion of those sparks. So when the object of your genuine love – a feeling that you nestled into over time – chooses someone else, you feel more than just let down or frustrated. You feel "gaslighted" by mother nature. What's the point of having those feelings and letting them guide us if they're liable to be so far off?

downvote_to_feed_me · 2022-01-19T22:34:20+00:00

Doesn't bother me. I just view em as enemies.

Admirable_Elk_965 · 2022-01-19T23:13:24+00:00

It’s one thing to get rejected. That’s normal and to be expected. It’s another thing entirely to be rejected CONSTANTLY. In my case, which I admit are probably a bit extreme, my rejections hurt so much because the girls I was talking to strung me along.

First one she said she wasn’t interested but flirted with me until one day she asked me out at my house but then laughed and said it was a joke when I asked if she was serious. (I was going to be a freshman in high school when that happened over the summer.)

The second major rejection was a girl I asked to homecoming (junior year). She said yes, I played amazing in the football game the night before, she saw it and congratulated me, never showed up for the date. (Everyone agreed to just meet at the restaurant and then car pool to the day date. Don’t ask, stupid high school logic.) Didn’t answer my calls or texts. Just left me in the restaurant with the people who were going on the date with us (two other couples.). Leaving the restaurant was one of the hardest things to do because basically everyone knew what happened to me. Needless to say I didn’t go to the dance.

Sure I’ve been rejected before by other people and never had any success on dating, (at this point I’m just giving up) but those I highlighted were kind of the turn off. I didn’t even bother trying the rest of my time in high school and honestly I don’t want to anymore. Getting rejected hurts and I feel there’s only so much rejection one can take before they don’t want to try anymore like me.

1962_beta-simp · 2022-01-20T06:21:36+00:00

Women (they still approach me) take rejection far worse than men.

Their tricks in their books are anything from "cool" to "psycho" to get their goal.

Own-Boat-5374 · 2022-01-20T16:46:06+00:00

Constant rejection with no success will change you as a person

modidlee · 2022-01-19T13:50:10+00:00

I think getting rejected by someone who really doesn’t know you hurts far less than getting into a whole relationship with someone and after months or years they say “yeah I’m out,” and it’s not because of anything you actually did. They just wanted a change. That hurts worse.

san_2003 · 2022-01-19T12:27:08+00:00

I’ve said this, and I’ll say it again, rejection has nothing to do with your worth as a man

Vtridolla · 2022-01-19T12:37:02+00:00

Lmao no, rejection can be really fucking healthy. You can be the greatest dude ever but may just not be someone’s cup of tea. People are different, humans are different it isn’t so black and white. I jus want women I know to be happy and if duke makes them happy then shit go for it. Im not tripping we all got options.

When you really vibe with a woman it can hurt but it’s a humbling experience. I wouldn’t say I’m frustrated or feel any existential dread. Just wish em luck and go focus on yourself or on other women in your life. That whole risking pregnancy take was a bit weird though.

Also if the assumption of what it means to be a man is dependent on a women not wanting to fuck you then I think we may need to reevaluate what the fuck man means. Keep your head held high and keep it pushing.

Aran82 · 2022-01-19T15:42:13+00:00

Peterson says a certain type of rejection is basically a woman deciding there is no point in a mans genetic material surviving another generation which cuts to the bone and is deeply personal. It’s not all bad what makes us men is we can stand that type of overt judgement, it’s simply not true to say that women only reproduce with the best genetic specimens. Most of the women who rejected or accepted and latterly dumped me failed to lock form the type of man they felt entitled to and since a few are north of 40 now it’s not likely to ever happen. They fucked up and have been socialised to think all of the options that came at them were committed to them beyond one night.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-01-19T12:33:03+00:00

I think it's a perfectly normal human reaction to feel worthless from a rejection, but I also think it's a pretty universal feel not relegated to men who are rejected by women romantically. I personally have felt like this when reject by guys, girls, a job, my parents, ect... So the differentiating factor is what you do with those negative feelings, do you take them in stride and try to make yourself a better candidate or cut that entity from your life? Or do you go full sour grapes? Because that's really what determines if they were correct in their assessment of you...

goneaway2thewind · 2022-01-19T12:52:31+00:00

Personally, I never cared about rejection. You never really win a woman, you can only gain more opportunity to game her. If she rejects you outright, it's the nicer thing in my opinion because she's signaling that you couldn't even reasonably compete and it isn't even worth your time.

The worst thing is when they waste your time and money knowing full well they'd never really be into you. That's annoying.

cowfishAreReal · 2022-01-19T13:22:01+00:00

Rejection is part of life and everyone has to deal with it, it's not something that only happens to men

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MarBitt · 2022-01-19T14:03:45+00:00

I experienced a few rejections that were very disappointing. In general, when a woman attracted me a lot from the beginning and I tried to get her for weeks or months. The vast majority of rejections were fine, some amused me. I had the best results with women when I didn't try at all, just enjoyed time together. And I'm probably an exception in that I've rejected women more often than I have been.

It never occurred to me that the rejection was somehow related to my value or that I wasn't good enough. Maybe it's because I've always had more urgent things to deal with than whether I can have a relationship with a woman. I have seen relationships with women as a bonus.

So I never took the rejection particularly personally. We just weren't compatible, she wanted someone else. It has nothing to do with me because I'm not willing to change into someone else, just so she wants me. And I like who I am.

logiauser · 2022-01-19T14:07:55+00:00

This is a great question. I think it depends on a couple of things.

Do you know your worth? Where do you line up objectively to the people you're trying to date?
Why did they reject you?

I'll start with the second one. Today, women have the illusion of infinite options so it's expected that they will treat men like garbage. We would likely trend in that direction too if the situation were reversed and you can see that the chads do it. So general rejection doesn't really bother me here after learning to accept it. As a younger man this would have been really severe on my mental health but my 20s were filled with good/stable relationships (broke down over time).

The 1st one is a bit more tricky. As a man, I'm objectively higher tier than almost every woman that has rejected me. What have those rejections come down to? I'd probably say race. I have never been dumped by women of my own race (I don't have any strong preferences just not many in my immediate area) and routinely receive interest from doctors, lawyers, etc. So those rejections mean that I'm good for a medium/short term relationship but not for a serious relationship. That's the part that does a number on my psyche; after everything is said and done, my skin color makes me second class option to a lot of women. I think that's more existential than frustration.

M_LaSalle · 2022-01-19T14:18:21+00:00

There may be men who are fortunate enough never to know rejection, but there can't be many. It's not an existential crisis if a girl says no as long as some other girl, somewhere, eventually says yes. It is likely that someone eventually will say yes unless he becomes discouraged, is seriously lacking in social skills, or is seriously unattractive for reasons that are outside his control. (Serious disfigurement, clinical mental illness, etc) If one of these conditions obtains, then it is something to with the man, not with the nature of rejection.

I would say that some amount of rejection is, paradoxically desirable. A man who never knows rejection is probably not dating up to his potential.

Jakes1967 · 2022-01-19T14:35:31+00:00

As a man, is rejection just frustrating OR a bit deeper than that, more existential, when the subject of your love and adoration chooses another man over you

Depends on the rejection.

A woman going no thanks and moving on, no problems.

When she rejects you, but accepts the asshat, that stings a bit, but you take it and move on.

The women who are out to completely humiliate you, or totally obliterate you for even asking, those cut deeply and I've seen guys go nuts over that.

That's why you'll see guys just stand back and watch a woman get shredded.

KirthWGersen · 2022-01-19T14:39:28+00:00

It has never actually bothered me much. It is disappointing but not so bad if you take a realistic view of relationships.

There is only one thing worse than being with someone you don't want to be with; and that is being with someone you know doesn't want to be with you.

Enjoy the good stuff while it lasts, but if you see a romantic relationship as the most important thing in your life, you will get very hurt, whether they leave or not.

Never put all your eggs in one basket.

MeanCry5785 · 2022-01-19T15:05:08+00:00

How I am: After getting rejected so often it stops hurting after awhile and you're skeptical when your not rejected.

abaxeron · 2022-01-19T15:17:38+00:00

I have been rejected more times than I consider acceptable.

It was never about "another man".

I'd say the worst part (for me at least) is understanding that your thirsty horny brain misread her signals (again).

Then one time I stopped "trying to read" her and instead asked if she wants to fuck; knew no worries ever since.

Caio_dos_Hack · 2022-01-19T15:39:48+00:00

when i get rejected by an average looking girl i legit don’t give a fuck, i’m like “well it’s a lost, but for who?

when it’s an above average girl i use it as a motivation, i think of it when i’m at the gym to train harder and it makes me think of my life decisions as a young man, that i gotta work and make myself to earn respect

wtknight · 2022-01-19T16:06:06+00:00

Men shouldn’t develop one-itis. It’s a bad idea in general because chances are that she won’t choose you since women are very picky. It’s better to pursue multiple women with the chances that one of them will choose you.

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-01-19T16:49:49+00:00

Rejection can recapitulate any or every rejection ever. It can be triggering because it's so fraught with peril. Which is silly but realizing it's silly doesn't automatically make it easier. But it can start to make it less painful.

This is what OLD was supposed to alleviate. It was supposed to make introductions and initial get-to-know-you-slightly chit chat easier, so that rejection would be experienced as just mild frustration rather than something deeper. But as women (and some men) can tell you people experience even that mild rejection as triggering too.

DarkSp3ctre · 2022-01-19T17:16:00+00:00

Rejection is normal. Frustrating definitely, no one likes it. But if it’s consistent rejection then you start to believe something is wrong with you. That can be hard to shake. Especially since a lot of guys aren’t the best at regulating our mental health that well.

Academic_Snow_7680 · 2022-01-19T17:48:50+00:00

just another night without sex ...

...especially when she sleeps with them over you, ...

...your value as a man isnt good enough

So this is what relationships boil down to for men? Sex? She is interchangeable as a person, it's about steady sex?

nicethingyoucanthave · 2022-01-19T17:56:46+00:00

Rejection from someone you have no feelings for doesn’t even register oh the radar. The trick for men is not getting feelings/entertaining fantasies about women you don’t really know.

And the one thing women should know that I think would really help them is: men don’t “catch feelings” after sex. We might stop liking a girl because she was annoying or our stupid fantasy just collapsed, but you’ll not find a guy who truly had no feelings but just wanted sex, got sex, then got feelings (and keep in mind that the way Reddit works is, you could post a comment with something obviously true like “men don’t like getting kicked in the balls” and you’re going to have one or two people lying in the replies saying they do)

But anyway, if we have no feelings then the rejection is no big deal. If we have feelings, well then that’s inappropriate and we should learn more discipline. We won’t get feelings after sex, but women do and I think they assume men do too

Dustin_Bromain · 2022-01-19T20:44:53+00:00

I’m gonna write my own post about this

Tomaskraven · 2022-01-19T21:16:18+00:00

Idk why are you giving her love and adoration when you dont even REALLY know her. Men and women are much much more open to people they are mutually sexually attracted to. Also, why do you value your "love" so little as to give it away for free without real reciprocation.

TBH, all i read here is simp gets simped.

LotBuilder · 2022-01-19T22:46:35+00:00

Numbers game, move on. You are one no closer to a yes. If you focus on one and put them on a pedestal then it can hurt, Don’t so that.

yabbobay · 2022-01-19T22:59:51+00:00

As a woman, I am an emotional mess with rejection and internalize it. It's awful

ScrumNoobie · 2022-01-19T23:53:40+00:00

all your questions have been answered, plus the questions you forgot to mention or put together. search for “darius m” and “mj get right” on youtube and you will feel reliefed once you have your questions answered.

Drayenn · 2022-01-20T00:51:45+00:00

I was rejected by a girl i hanged with for a month regularly who ended up with another guy two weeks later. I felt nothing you hinted at. I was just sad i couldnt be with her.

There was no "im not good" feeling, i juat wasnt her type and she had her mind on someone else. I wasnt mad about the guy and i surely didnt spend time thinking about how she banged him.

We stayed good friends until the end of college and we keep in touch once a year since then.

AwakenTheSavage · 2022-01-20T01:37:23+00:00

There is no such thing as rejection. There is only momentary incompatibility caused by value differences and taste preferences. These are fluid and can change. The same woman who rejected you two years ago can all of a sudden be attracted to you now, two years later. That’s because now you have more common ground, a shared “demographic” if you will. When you don’t share a “demographic,” this creates friction which prevents her from becoming sexually and emotionally invested in you, even if she’s attracted to you. If you’re overly invested in her from the beginning, it’s a guaranteed rejection.

ogsimpology · 2022-01-20T08:16:14+00:00

For me, individual rejections meant nothing. But a bunch of them stacking up over time made me feel undesirable.

Luckily I had a good combo of self sabotage and self hate. So I kept making advances and humiliating myself. Until I eventually found a very kind woman and found success.

FancyCocktailOlive · 2022-01-20T09:04:29+00:00

The fact you call women “subjects” shows you have an attitude problem.

mrmudzi · 2022-01-20T11:21:17+00:00

If you have many options, its just water off a ducks back.

If you have no options, each rejection means a lot more.

oedipascourage · 2022-01-20T14:38:43+00:00

Legitimacy of the effects coming from rejection is not even arguable in a humane context. It is one of - if not the most - important aspects of human condition and a long rejection string can definitely break a human - especially after he/she puts some effort to solve this problem with no success to be found.

TheGnosticCouncil · 2022-01-21T00:34:23+00:00

I think it’s existential. Part of our biological purpose here is to reproduce. Our bodies produce enough seed to populate literal planets with life. We act as demigods, literally using tools of creation to summon conscious beings into this world. Many people overlook the spiritual and existential reality about sex. Especially evil entities in our populace. The healthy and balanced union of the sexes is NOT what they want. This is why corporations and governments have intentionally veiled us. They have people so confused that they cannot accept their own biological sex, let alone fulfill part their biological purpose. The common men and women are not the problem. Social engineering performed by multi-national globalist billionaires are the problem. If you fall into their predisposed archetypes, they benefit from your existence. One of their favorite archetypes as of late, is any that leads a non-reproductive lifestyle. Please note that you can still be “productive” to corporate society while being non-reproductive. They actually favor this because it contributes to “population stabilization” this is not a theory either. It has been discussed in government documents, by intergovernmental organizations, the open supporters of eugenics by elite families in the 20th century, and now by the globalists and their elected pawns under the guise of philanthropy and social justice. Big tech was a big help in the fall of humanity from its purpose. Just look at what porn and social media have done. It’s multi-faceted. The globalists fund the universities too.

decoy88 · 2022-01-19T16:04:21+00:00

It’s all ego. Other men here will hamster but that’s what it is. It’s wrapping your happiness and self-worth in another’s approval.

It’s not safe if a man doesn’t have other sources kf validation, because rejection will crumble him.

If a man has a solid self-esteem, it will sting but not crush him, and allow him to persevere.

The most miserable people tend to compare their lives and standing with others the most, as if everything is a competition, and they can’t find happiness unless they are winning over someone else.

JacobMoogberg69 · 2022-01-19T14:33:32+00:00

The only rejection which hurts is the self rejection. If you accept and love yourself, what someone who knows nothing about you thinks of you will matter not a single bit. If they want to go after another man or woman, that's their prerogative. If you are dependent on the approval of others in order to feel good about yourself, you will always be at the mercy of others.

meddit-throwaway · 2022-01-20T23:24:17+00:00

Every rejection is a sign that I'm not good enough in some way. Even if it's "nothing personal" as women will claim, there's always a lesson for me to take away from an interaction. Maybe my body language wasn't as great as it could've been, or I wasn't making enough eye contact, or I wasn't being charismatic enough. That's why field reports, journalling and setting goals is so important. I write this stuff down and identify areas to improve in for next time. Usually I will focus on one aspect at a time, e.g. I'll make a mental note to focus on eye contact during a date. Next time I'll focus on something else. Over time I end up improving in several different ways and my results can only go up from there.

You can either let rejection get you down, or you can take it as a sign that you have some work to do, and become better in the process ;)

hermetickingdom3 · 2022-01-21T23:03:46+00:00

It's not her I'm worried about, it's the men she's been with and how I size up to them.

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