Most controversial gender views here are literally just common sense, around the world

DerayRevan · 2023-07-15T19:17:37+00:00

Women are the weaker sex physically and mentally, that's why many like Tall,strong,confident/ambitious men Men always have to impress the woman for...

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Of course I agree. Men should win in fights almost all the time and he's probably unhealthy if he can't. There are other types of physical strengths besides violence (feats that are a lot more impressive on the human body and in the animal kingdom) so my brain automatically thought it was wrong to say "men are physically and mentally stronger." Men and women have equal in reverse physical strengths (men having worse endurance than women is a direct result of men having more short term power; men having worse flexibility is a result of men having more "strained" muscles for tense force; men's bodies dying faster is a result of more testosterone, etc), it's just that I think women's physical strengths are more impressive and more valuable, unless men choose to be violent to women then women are screwed.

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Over 90% of workplace deaths in the US are men. You’re okay with the stat staying this way; you just want men to die a little less. Again, feminists only want equality when it benefits them.

yes i know and we have to reduce that number to a minimum... advocating equal death is a bad position but i could agree on equal responsibility/accountability... see my last point...

The only time feminists care about the draft is when the prospect of women serving comes up.

you are aware that tradcons advocate for just men should be serving and feminists want to terminate it in favour of voluntary forces... i would agree that men and women should serve equally in voluntary forces...

anyways where do you have that info from?

faq - AskFeminists (reddit.com)

Not sure what you mean by this.

nobody should be forced into poverty or misery and the community has to cushion us "example welfare etc" to prevent that

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Because women don’t give a shit about male teachers

But do men give a shit about male teachers? Because you suggested above you want gender equality for teachers, but now you don't really want that because you think women don't want it?

It doesn’t matter if 10% of teachers are men or 50%, women are still going to fuck doctors or lawyers like they are now. Men know this.

When did it become about fucking? Do you want equality in teaching because you think it's the right thing or do you not want it because you think that male teachers won't get laid enough? Lmao

Feminism isn’t really about equality at all, its basically a giant female mafia

Mafia. Dude, I can't stop laughing at your hyperbole. Please join the rest of us in the real world.

where’s the campaigns for gender equality in workplace deaths?

So instead of finding ways to reduce the number of men dying in workplace deaths, you think a better idea is to increase the number of women dying in workplace deaths? I just can't with your bs.

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I don’t care about percentages in industries either way. Merely pointing out how gender equality is a one way street meant to serve as a cover to funnel resources to women at the expense of men. Again, women never want gender equality when it comes to shitty jobs men work. Only cushy high paying white collar type jobs.

Mafia. Dude, I can't stop laughing at your hyperbole. Please join the rest of us in the real world.

It functions exactly the same way. It’s literally an operation channel resources into an in-group at the expense of others.

So instead of finding ways to reduce the number of men dying in workplace deaths, you think a better idea is to increase the number of women dying in workplace deaths? I just can't with your bs

So you’re not in favor of gender equality here? Literally just proving my point. When do we get gender equality with alimony payments? What gender equality in combat casualties in war?

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So you went from this:

When’s the campaign for gender equality in workplace deaths? Or 50% female steel workers? I never hear about any gender equality initiatives to get 50% male nurses or kindergarten teachers.

To this :

I don’t care about percentages in industries either way.

You're not really worth conversing with tbh, you don't seem to even know what your own opinions are.

But btw,

When do we get gender equality with alimony payments?

I wouldn't have a clue mate, alimony seems to be an American thing, we don't have that here. Maybe when America becomes as feminist as western Europe is, you guys can get gender equality there.

What gender equality in combat casualties in war?

I also don't know the answer to this, as my country is neutral so doesn't take part in wars therefore we have no military draft. If your country continues to be unequal between the sexes maybe ask yourself why, and consider that the answer might be in embracing gender equality (aka feminism) instead of pushing against it while complaining there is no gender equality. Just some things for you to think about, there's no need to reply, as I've mentioned above, you are not serious as your comments have shown so not worth conversing with.

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🙄 I’m not sexually shaming them— I didn’t insult them or belittle them.

A huge chunk of red pill dudes are in stem and also openly admit they struggle to find women— that’s the whole point of red pill… you know, the main topic of this subreddit. Red Pill is supposed to teach dudes who struggle with women to do better with women… but how you consider it “shaming” now to discuss things that make it hard for some dudes to get a woman? Are you also offended by the entire existence of the red pill or this sub? Or, is it more likely you’re feigning offense to avoid addressing my point?

I’m showing why having contempt for a large fraction of women in college is a serious stumbling block for some men.

But maybe you can explain to the class why having contempt for the people you want to date makes sense to you.

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Okay, sorry about that. I assumed it was implied and I was wrong. I appreciate that.

It’s a meta analysis in a well respected journal. If you click on the PDF button, you should be able to read it. If you want more, do a Google Scholar search. There’s not a widely known gender difference in performance.

We would likely know about it if there was. There is a well known difference regarding how different ethic groups response to intelligence tests (sometimes called the “diversity-validity” dilemma). For the record, I think it’s a function of certain ethnic groups being associated with certain SES statuses rather than any ethnic groups being innately smarter than the others. My point in bringing it up is, if there were a similar gender difference in performance, researchers would likely be researching and discussing it

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Well to begin with women have a significant presence in certain STEM fields. Statistics, botany, and healthcare are examples of areas where women dominate. So I don’t know what your defining as STEM unless your being biased and exclusively focusing on male-dominated fields like engineering and computer science.

The choice to not pursue a career in specific STEM fields should not be automatically attributed to an inability to excel in those areas. Career decisions are influenced by individual temperament and interests, and it is well recognized that women, on average, display a greater inclination towards working with people. This inclination often leads to higher representation of women in professions such as nursing, teaching, and psychology.

When women choose not to major in STEM, it is more likely an indication of their lack of interest in those particular fields rather than a reflection of their capabilities. Furthermore, there isnt conclusive data that highlights significant gender differences in math and science skills between genders. While individual variations exist, no substantial evidence supports the notion of a drastic gender disparity in these abilities. The mean performance scores is about 0.1 to 0.3 standard deviations apart from one another which isn’t crazy different.

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Oh ok, men on average are smarter than women (not including you).

And you're using earned income and STEM to prove that?

More than half of law school grads are women:

https://www.abalegalprofile.com/women.php#:~:text=Although%20more%20than%20half%20of,National%20Association%20of%20Women%20Lawyers.

Half of medical school grads are women:

https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/workforce/data/figure-12-percentage-us-medical-school-graduates-sex-academic-years-1980-1981-through-2018-2019#:~:text=In%201980%2D1981%2C%20only%2024.9,47.9%25%20of%20graduates%20were%20female.

Gender pay gap isn't real, women just choose to have kids or choose more fulfilling jobs:

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/there-really-is-no-gender-wage-gap-there-is-a-gender-earnings-gap-but-paying-women-well-wont-close-that-gap/

45% of STEM majors in 2020 are women, and its gone up every single year.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markkantrowitz/2022/04/07/women-achieve-gains-in-stem-fields/?sh=6ea147735ac5

I'm prepared to never hear from you again.

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Oh ok, men on average are smarter than women (not including you).

Shame you can't help but be uncivil. I'm not gonna report you for it because you at least are attempting to engage with the discussion point.

More than half of law school grads are women:

Not STEM. moving on.

Half of medical school grads are women:

Outstanding. They're finally making up ground in an area. This is something to be celebrated.

Gender pay gap isn't real, women just choose to have kids or choose more fulfilling jobs:

I'm glad you admit that. Now, you notice that my position wasn't the "gender pay gap" but the raw numbers? But thanks for admitting that women make choices that impact their earning.

45% of STEM majors in 2020 are women, and its gone up every single year.

I may not be too good at this but for a population where women slightly outnumber men, you'd think that those numbers would reflect that. Last time I looked, 55%>45%. Oh, and from your source:

Despite the overall gains, certain specific fields continue to demonstrate big differences in enrollment by gender. These fields include computer science, engineering, economics and physics, which are disproportionately male.

I'm prepared to never hear from you again.

I'd love nothing more.

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Shame you can't help but be uncivil. I'm not gonna report you for it because you at least are attempting to engage with the discussion point.

Are you saying insulting someone's intelligence is "uncivil." Interesting.

More than half of law school grads are women:

Not STEM. moving on.

Why does it matter that it isn't STEM?

Half of medical school grads are women:

Outstanding. They're finally making up ground in an area. This is something to be celebrated.

So women aren't less smart than men.

I'm glad you admit that. Now, you notice that my position wasn't the "gender pay gap" but the raw numbers? But thanks for admitting that women make choices that impact their earning.

Of course women make choices that impact their earning. So your bad argument that money earned = intelligence doesn't follow.

45% of STEM majors in 2020 are women, and its gone up every single year.

I may not be too good at this but for a population where women slightly outnumber men, you'd think that those numbers would reflect that. Last time I looked, 55%>45%. Oh, and from your source:

And the numbers are growing every year, again demonstrating that it's not because women are less intelligent.

Despite the overall gains, certain specific fields continue to demonstrate big differences in enrollment by gender. These fields include computer science, engineering, economics and physics, which are disproportionately male.

And likely will be forever, not because women are too stupid to be in those fields, but because they don't wanna do those jobs or study those subjects. Same way men aren't skipping out on masters degrees in elementary education because they're too stupid to know how to work with small children, but because they don't want to.

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Some degrees are indeed bullshit. Moreover, if you take the data on income earned (you know, the reason people go to college) men are performing more.

We already addressed this point. It's a choice and has nothing to do with intelligence.

If men are making more money and women are more enrolled, the only conclusion is that women are getting bullshit degrees that don't turn into economic success

Women going into college know if their degree will bring economic success or not. It's a choice.

And like we discussed, women are getting medical, law, and STEM degrees at increasing rates. All high earning careers.

Women are not outperforming men.

It's got nothing to do with intelligence. The whole reason for the discussion of who is outperforming who was to use it as evidence of women's intelligence.

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Alright. Why do you think women haven’t been going into stem roles and favour the arts and the care sector? It’s because there still isn’t enough drive to get women into sciences after years of “you’re a woman, you’re not smart enough...men can do your job but better.” In the UK currently 35% of students studying STEM are women, but in the NHS, 45% of doctors are women and 77% of the entire workforce are women.

This is all besides the point. You treat men and women as if they’re two big blocks - with men doing well at university and women getting “bullshit” degrees. It’s up to individuals what they go into., and if those individuals feel restricted socially from entering a certain subject, if they’ve been brought up experiencing repeated sexist sentiment in education, they’re not going to choose that course.

Or maybe you’re just jealous that these women have something and you’re qualoficationless with no hope of doing anything good with your life. Poor poor you.

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Why do you think women haven’t been going into stem roles and favour the arts and the care sector?

Personal choices. There's nothing stopping them except their own desires.

This is all besides the point. You treat men and women as if they’re two big blocks

Pretty sure I've made it clear that I'm not just using my opinion and that I've linked sources. Not my fault you don't want to read them.

It’s up to individuals what they go into.

I agree, and women (in general) are choosing bullshit degrees.

if they’ve been brought up experiencing repeated sexist sentiment in education, they’re not going to choose that course.

Education favors women.

Or maybe you’re just jealous that these women have something and you’re qualoficationless with no hope of doing anything good with your life. Poor poor you.

You knowing nothing about me makes your attempt to insult me toothless. Either learn more about me or at least be original.

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What is it about stem degrees that’s so “real”?

Says the person using coding designed by an engineer, on a device built by machines that were made by mechanical engineers, using electricity provided by electrical engineering.

Do we need any more stem-lords sniffing thier own farts explaining how smart they are?

You have to try to insult because you don't have a relevant objection.

Do we need more CS majors to build another fucking app or half-baked start up? No.

You're literally using an application.

The irony is almost painful. Maybe I should see a doctor for it (oh look, another person with a useful degree).

Do we need more nurses, teachers and doctors? Yes.

You are aware that nurses and doctors fall under STEM...right?

Could we use a touch more critical thinking in this current climate? Fuck yes.

We definitely can. Especially in the comment I'm replying to.

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What, are you one of those dorks who needs citations for literally every single argument?

I'm one of those "dorks" that likes to form their opinions based on things that are able to be demonstrated.

If you're accustomed to debate (this is a debate sub, no?) then you have to understand that changing the mind of someone who disagrees with you requires more than just your opinion - you have to be able to debate about facts.

Do you not believe that people who are good at STEM are generally bad at being social and attracting women?

I do not. If you believe that, you're welcome to try to convince me. The problem with holding opinions like that is that those opinions are rarely based on anything outside of personal feelings, which isn't a good yardstick to measure if an opinion is true or not.

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Sure but creating technology is way more intelligent than fucking teaching

I disagree. Teaching is extremely important at all stages of learning, even for infants and toddlers. It takes an incredible mind to do those jobs imo as an antinatalist who has difficulty empathizing with young infant and toddler aged children. For the ages beyond that as well. I also disagree with what you said about going into the fashion industry as being lesser in some way compared to other vocations. It seems strange and ironic that you point out a woman's smallness and a man's largeness in the very first sentence of your original post but go on to shit on people who study aesthetics.

I don't care about environment since it has nothing to do with the argument of which careers are smarter

You aren't listening. It's not more intelligent to not consider your impact on a larger scale.

Btw I've paid extra close attention to how you keep saying women care more about what people think because they have less testosterone and how that separates them from men. Can you talk more about that? It's something I've thought about a lot for many years so maybe this is a point we can both agree on and start to understand each other from.

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Bro the environment is important to everyone but again how does it come into the topic of which careers are more intelligent ?

Because it impacts everyone. Like I said before: I'm talking about inclusion.

Inventing something technological takes a higher mind capacity than teaching, everyone knows this like water being wet

I don't understand how you don't think teachers lack that level of creativity that could elevate them to the status of an inventor.

Children themselves like teenagers can teach toddlers fundamentals concepts of the alphabet, bro teaching is not that intellectual compared to this things l listed men advance in more than women

This is something that could only be written by a male. Who's not actually threatened by the notion of having to spend how many years with a still developing child.

Btw I'm so fucking drunk rn. Lol. And I still mog you at every turn. 😳

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I apologize for assuming you’re a woman, must have been thinking of someone else.

But my point stands, it’s not that they can’t learn to code if they restarted their lives, it’s that that kind of career changing disruption is infeasible for almost everyone. It would take years for them to learn the required knowledge to start an entry level coding job, and then they’d have to start from the bottom, earning way less than a mid career coal miner.

Perhaps coal miner isn’t the best example of the most intellectually demanding blue collar job, but it still requires intelligence. There’s a reason that many blue collar jobs earn as much as tech workers, not everyone can do them so there’s demand.

Most software jobs are not as intellectually demanding as AI scientist or neural network researcher, most CS degrees are demanding, I know that for sure, but the actual day to day work of the vast majority of software engineers doesn’t require Herculean mathematical capability.

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This is a very good point. My grandma, my aunts, my mother, and now my sister works as a nurse. The social conditioning the women in my family were affected by was definitely strong. Personally I went a completely different way than the women in my family as I don't have a nurturing bone in my body. I also hate bodily fluids, blood and shit and infected wounds (stuff the nurse I live with deals with on a daily basis.. yuck) Granted, I've never been afraid to go my own way and break free from societal expectations of me.

I think most people are like the women in my family that I described, easily socially influenced and conditioned, and then there are some stronger more independent women who pave their own way, and just DGAF what people think of the career or lifestyle they pursue, cause they're choosing what they're passionate about and not just doing what feels comfortable and familiar to them. I have a woman in my family like this too, who chose a lifestyle of travelling and climbing. I honestly find it very inspiring.

I don't think it's bad per ce that people take after and is influenced by their parents or family, but then we can't exactly go blaming men and women for pursuing certain fields of work over others. It's not exactly anyone's fault. There's not really any point in assigning blame either, though I suppose, if anything we can blame the parents for not encouraging their children to take broader interest in various fields.

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Women are not dumber as a whole but the distribution is more compact than for men.

Thus because feminists only focus on the top tiers, never the bottom, they're inevitably comparing more intelligent men with all women, which leads to a disadvantage that they can only explain through conspiracy theory: patriarchy.

But it's only because they refuse to look at the bottom tier. You never hear feminists wanting quotas for brick layers and sewers cleaners.

The explanation for why the freer the women the less they go into stem is an easy one, which is what evolutionary psychologists have been saying all along: females have a higher interest in people and males into things. You can observe that in babies and other primates.

The freeer the society, the more people will do what they want to do, not what they have to.

If your economical order is geared towards the production of things, well, those who are more interested in it will reap more rewards.

As for the fact that the more feminized a profession, the lesser it gets paid, it's often a consequence of productivity.

Medecine is a good example. Where boomer doctors, mostly males, were working 80 hours a week, new doctors, way more females, refuse to work that much.

Hence you need two new doctor to replace one older one.

There was a "scandal" at a medical university in Tokyo where they would favor male candidates at the expense of women. Everybody cried sexism (despite the fact that there's a female only medical university in Tokyo).

But the rationale was caused by that: productivity. Women just quit their job, go part-time, do less overtime, etc. than men, which is why there's a gender pay gap.

This is not such a big deal when you don't need much qualifications, but in medecine where you need ten years to train a doctor and when your population ages and thus you need more doctors, you cannot afford female doctors who work less than their male counterparts.

On an individual basis, they're right to prioritize their own life. But from a collective point of view, this has consequences.

In this case, you need more people to do the same job and if you do not increase the overall cost then this means that these people will get paid less.

And that's what happens when a profession becomes more feminine: individual productivity drops because less hours worked, less overtime, etc. thus less wage.

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There’s more men at the top most tier of intelligence and at the bottom most tier of intelligence, but you won’t see many of these men in your day to day life. Men have a higher variance of intelligence, but if you look at the average it’s about the same for both genders.

And I’ll admit I didn’t read every word you wrote, but I think I got the gist of your argument. I’d point out women almost always take off more time for child care related reasons. If they don’t, there’s no children. Someone has to take off time to have children. Sustaining the population is just as important as productivity. And obviously productivity doesn’t get completely wiped out for female employees or they wouldn’t be hired at all in these professions

I also would say it’s a good thing people are pushing for livable hours instead of trying to squeeze every last hour out of people. I don’t think that’s (pushing for more reasonable working conditions) so much a gender driven trend as a generational one

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I’d point out women almost always take off more time for child care related reasons. If they don’t, there’s no children.

Nothing forces women at the top to have children.

So unless you are going to contradict feminist theory and posit that women have a biological urge to reproduce, even in the top tier and thus at the expense of their career, then there is no rational explanation why women in the higher bracket would stop working to have children.

Of course we all know that feminist theory is lunacy on that point and that women (not all of course but the vast majority of them) DO have a biological urge to have children. From an evolutionary point of view, how else you are going to push females to do something that has been life threatening for hundreds of thousand of years?

I also would say it’s a good thing people are pushing for livable hours instead of trying to squeeze every last hour out of people.

Sure. But the top 1% solely devote themselves to reaching their goals. That's how they achieve it. So it is no wonder that it is mostly men since for men, having a child means having sex since you can delegate your parental duties if you have the means to.

Basically, feminists are pissed at nature. Which shows what an idiotic thinking it is.

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Nobody should have children if they don’t want to.

Nobody is forcing anyone to have children.

But we shouldn’t demonize and punish people who do want to have them.

Nobody is punishing anyone. It is a simple consequence of having children. People only have 24 hours a day and thus if you want to have kids and care for them, then the time you devote to them cannot be used for something else.

It is YOUR decision. Noone is forcing women to have children. But as usual, women are trying to avoid the consequences of their choice by saying they want to have children, they want to have the time to care for them, but they want to be paid and advance in the work force AS IF they did not have children.

Sorry but no. It's like me demanding to participate in the Olympics AS IF I had continued training after I stopped competitive swimming in High school. Everyone would laugh at me if I were to say that "society is punishing me by preventing me from going to the Olympics" because instead of devoting 100% of my time to swimming as a teen, I chose to do other stuff.

Yet it is what women are doing: they are claiming society is punishing them because THEY chose to not devote themselves completely to work and thus cannot make it to the top. Well duh.

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You conveniently ignored the rest of my argument. And it’s not a consequence for women alone. They’re not having the children alone.

The rest of your argument isn't addressing the issue of the consequences of having children for women, but just state that having children is necessary to continue the species. Well yeah sure. But the decision of having children is SOLELY that of women since the era of the pill and legal abortion.

Women can NOT then pretend that they should not shoulder the consequences of their OWN decisions.

If we adopt your attitude, very few people would have children.

That is only if you think that women WANT equal work and equal pay. Sorry but most women do NOT want to spend more than necessary at work (just like most men), and very few do so.

That these women, unlike men, have to forego having children if they do focus onto work is NOT men's fault. It is purely a biological cause: females bear and nurse children, males don't.

We have to take steps to encourage people to have children

This is irrelevant since we can do so WITHOUT pushing career focused women to have children. There are plenty of women who would be happy to stay home and have one more child. And thus these cannot complain that CEOs and Presidents are male since well, to be a CEO, you cannot stay at home taking care of children.

Again, feminists frame as women's issue (lack of CEOs and female top dogs) as a women's issue while it is not. It is an upper class issue.

The low fertility is not an upper class issue, because top tier men find women willing to stay home and have many kids.

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It’s generally a choice made by two people.

No it's not. That is exactly what I am showing you: no matter what is decided, it is always aligned with the woman's decision, but not the man's. It is thus the woman's decision. The man can pitch in, say what he wants or likes, but his opinion will only be advisory. In the end it is HER decision, and solely HERS.

It seems like you projecting dislike of women onto your interpretation of reality.

You're so bend on having women escape responsibilities that you ignore how all possible patterns lead to the "couple" decision being aligned with the woman's but NOT with the man's; that women actively claim that it is solely their choice (my body my choice); and that you are probably saying so if we were to talk about abortion.

And of course, it has to be about misogyny...

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I could’ve swore that women for the most part are physically weaker and MORE emotionally driven 🤔.

Thank GOD women aren’t as physically capable as men because you know how much crazier the world would be

Imagine just the average run of the mill emotionally unstable and irrational modern American woman who basically acts like a child.

Just imagine we’ve ALL see those videos where someone’s girlfriend or sister gets stressed out over something silly and they either have a tantrum or a big teary eyed breakdown..imagine that but with the strength of and average adult male..no bueno.

Imagine in a alternate reality where you’re girlfriend is on her period and during a date she tells you to tip the waitress but immediately after she gets jealous because you smiled for one Nanosecond TOO long so with her NEW man strength she just tackles you out the window when y’all get home.

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We are equal BUT different..

Just because women don’t commit most of the violent crime’s it doesn’t mean women AREN’T more emotional.

There are MANY emotions that can be felt that just aren’t tied to violence 😂.

There are two main reasons why women don’t commit most violent crimes.

For one most women know that on a physical level they are not able to severely injure a man without a weapon.

And two ( here’s where women begins emotional come into play ) most women are SCARED of getting into physical altercations with men because they will most likely get hurt lol.

Hell you can even throw guns into the mix. Studies from several branches of our military show that men are more effective at killing because we have the ability to shut off our emotions and control them WAY better when it comes down to taking another human life.

So I’m generally most women are more emotionally driven than men as a whole.

Anyway you flip it women are weaker physically and when it comes to not giving into their emotions.

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You are quite literally crying on Reddit because women make anti men jokes.

Do you want to guess how many times men have threatened to murder me? Rape me? Assault me?

The joke you’re talking about isn’t even directed at individual men. It’s directed as a generalization to an oppressive group.

I’m also not in support of that kind of language, however you are just proving my point.

Men’s issues are constantly put in front of women’s which is why when I say men and women are equal on here you guys cry in my replies telling me I’m being unfair to men. Can you imagine? Literally my replies are that we are equal and you are saying that feminism wants to hurt you specifically.

Women quite literally raise children, are the emotional support and backbone of civilization, and they do it while being told they are worthless and useless by people like you on Reddit.

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He wanted to transfer 20% of a company's stock to its employees, a policy that's socialist, not social Democrat in nature.

He heavily supports regulations despite the social Democrat countries he idolizes relying on free market capitalism to sustain their welfare states.

He constantly talks about funding his welfare state through taxes on billionaires who he believes shouldn't exist, despite most social Democrat nations having higher taxes on lower and working class people as well to pay for their programs. The US tax structure is already the most progressive in the OECD because half our population doesn't pay anything in taxes, but he acts like we'll have a Nordic model just from constantly raising taxes on the top 1%.

The man is either bluntly delusional about his own policies or selling snake oil, but one way or another, he's way to the left of "moderate" by any definition.

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He wanted to transfer 20% of a company's stock to its employees, a policy that's socialist, not social Democrat in nature.

Sanders ESOP is literally just a copy of similar Euro plans that were proposed decades ago. No doubt his plan would have been defeated (as they mostly were in Europe) but his plan is not particularly novel or shocking to much of Europe.

He heavily supports regulations despite the social Democrat countries he idolizes relying on free market capitalism to sustain their welfare states.

Most of Europe is fairly heavily regulated compared to the US already.

He constantly talks about funding his welfare state through taxes on billionaires who he believes shouldn't exist, despite most social Democrat nations having higher taxes on lower and working class people as well to pay for their programs. The US tax structure is already the most progressive in the OECD because half our population doesn't pay anything in taxes, but he acts like we'll have a Nordic model just from constantly raising taxes on the top 1%.

I agree that Sanders et all are delusional that welfare expansion can be paid for via taxation only on the wealthy. In reality taxes for all Americans would have to be raised substantially to accomplish that. That's what the "social democracy" economic model looks like.

Sanders and his supporters goals are mostly to simply transform the US into a Euro economic model, not radical transformation into a socialist state.

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Sanders ESOP is literally just a copy of similar Euro plans that were proposed decades ago. No doubt his plan would have been defeated (as they mostly were in Europe) but his plan is not particularly novel or shocking to much of Europe.

It doesn't have to be shocking or novel to be a far left policy, which is what we were discussing. The fact that such policies were mostly defeated decades ago should support them being outside of even Europe's Overton window if anything.

Most of Europe is fairly heavily regulated compared to the US already.

I'm fairly certain the Nordic nations rank higher then the US on economic freedom, and its their model that he wants to replicate. I'll admit I don't know too much about economic freedom rankings and how they're calculated but I've been told that these nations tend to be less regulated than the US (no minimum wage, fairly easy to hire and fire people, etc).

I agree that Sanders et all are delusional that welfare expansion can be paid for via taxation only on the wealthy. In reality taxes for all Americans would have to be raised substantially to accomplish that. That's what the "social democracy" economic model looks like.

Glad we agree on this.

Sanders and his supporters goals are mostly to simply transform the US into a Euro economic model, not radical transformation into a socialist state.

He calls himself a socialist and wanted to transfer ownership of companies to employees. He may have run on and focused on more agreeable issues such as universal Healthcare, but then again, those issues are a lot more palatable to the American voter than actual socialism is.

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That's a really sad perspective. I suggest you explore other perspectives that aren't so depressing.

Attractiveness is so subjective and mutable. It comes from so many factors of which looks are only an initial piece. It can change based on how you are feeling moment to moment. It can completely switch after meeting someone. Being mad about not being found attractive by someone you've never met and don't even know if you like beyond the pictures you like to stare at is really shallow.

Also why are so many people here obsessed with getting the most women possible? Like seriously, you are not a failure if every woman doesn't find you attractive. Many people work hard to find one person they connect with and enjoy spending time with. Stop trying to get the highest score with shallow, unfulfilling metrics. Relationships and sex are connections with other people. If you are more focused on the +1 than the person you are not connecting with them and you are probably disconnected from yourself as well.

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Well first of all, i don't consider that to be sad, it is what it is. It's not because it doesnnt feels good that it's wrong.

Attractivness is less subjective than people think. Being tall for exemple makes you more attractive to an overwhelming majority of women. Aknowledging facts doesn't make you mad for it, my feelings won't get hurt if someone don't find me attractive that i don't even know it would make no sense.

Men are interested with getting many women because it's hardwired in us the same way it's hardwired into women to like men taller than them on average. You're not a failure if you're not attractive to most women but you have less options than when you are. You won't be able to find your ideal partner if you're not attractive to a majority of women if your ideal partner is above average.

"Stop trying to get the highest score with shallow, unfulfilling metrics. Relationships and sex are connections with other people. If you are more focused on the +1 than the person you are not connecting with them and you are probably disconnected from yourself as well."

Moral appeal based on nothing but feelings.

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No body was arguing about women choosing whatever they like. Like What?

The thread started with this:

Women aren't overwhelmingly the ones crying here over not having partners.

To which you took offense because crying is a valid emotion, which it is if we're talking about it in a vacuum but we're not. Clearly.

Who cares who they choose? The dumb ones are going to choose hedonism and the smart ones are going to marry their Mr bigs. The arrogant and stupid ones are going to keep playing their leverage until it runs out and then will have to pick between casual relationships or pets, Wich I think it's not that bad at all if all that's left of the available men is the dregs. You had fun, you had all the good sex, now you're old and that's it. It was fun.

This is why women don't like you. You don't like them, you just want to fuck them. To you they'ree either whores or gold diggers and that fact that you're bitter about it means you don't have anything to offer them both regards. All you have to give is yourself but since you hate yourself so, in your mind, why would someone else love you? You're insecure and it reeks.

Go to therapy and find a gym.

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You should look up period pain simulation men vs women, and look at the physical pain women go through during childbirth. Women have a demonstrably higher pain tolerance than men, and are vastly outpacing men in terms of academic success. Not sure what criteria you are using to define “physically and mentally stronger”.
Why would you phrase something so crudely…? It is obvious that women can - and should - have standards for whom they pursue a sexual relationship with? Why is that controversial?
Dating is hard for anyone with a bad personality, no money, and bad looks… male or female. What is controversial??
No one has endless options. Even the most “exceptional” man is going to find high value potential partners and just “not be their type”. This is just demonstrably false.

This is just a big circle jerk of men feeling sorry for themselves. Grow up, touch some grass, and work on yourselves to mitigate the awful looks/personalities/lack of funds that are holding you back from dating the high quality women you are looking for.

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You should look up period pain simulation men vs women, and look at the physical pain women go through during childbirth. Women have a demonstrably higher pain tolerance than men,

That's largely a myth. Most research shows little gender differences or that women have a lower pain tolerance/feel pain more intensely. Under specific conditions (such a childbirth) they have a higher pain tolerance due to hormone/chemical release.

and are vastly outpacing men in terms of academic success.

"Vastly" is an exaggeration. Women are having modestly more academic success but that doesn't translate into being more intelligent or mental strength.

Not sure what criteria you are using to define “physically and mentally stronger”.

It's pretty clear men are physically stronger just about any way you measure, most obviously via force production. Mental strength is more ambiguous but women have more mental/emotional problems at a notably higher degree than men.

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Pretty much..in Oder for a man to “ Choose “ he needs to meet ALL or most of the requirements that only a few percentage of men in the us actually have which is why MOST women want & chase the same small percentile of men.

So you’re saying

“ Hey you as a man you most DEFINITELY get to choose the women that you want, and impressing women psshh don’t worry about that…..…all you gotta do is HOPE YOU WERE BORN 6ft 😂and if you weren’t then tough shit because only 14.5 % of men in the US are actually 6ft and taller 😃 and that’s the same small percentage of men that most women want and chase.

So that means for the rest of 85 % of men in the US y’all LITERALLY have to impress women by trying to be the absolute top tier version of yourselves and have only centimeters of mistake room or wiggle room in life

because if y’all are anything UNDER that then y’all just end up being invisible because studies show that 90% of the AVERAGE American women finds the AVERAGE American man unattractive 😀..see fellas it’s not that hard now go get em tigers WHOOOOO IT’S SHOOOWWW TIME!!!

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Here is the thing about the West, we created modern progress and the ways we have improved the quality of life. Women have more freedoms now since God knows when. But it’s the same for men and for stupid reason, we disconnected ourselves from ourselves and each other. Most people don’t want much. A loving family, a nice home, nice stuff, and not have to worry about raising kids. Somewhere, somehow this was simply not enough anymore. Social media has a hand in it for sure, but I am a firm believer that most of what we see is not the majority. Some only see the negative because that is all the watch. I know plenty of single men and women who are grossly misinformed and form these echo chambers everywhere they don’t need to. I agree with some of OP’s opinions but disagree on dating being harder for men. Women face their challenges too, rarely are they the men in my opinion.

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Shows how women are still way behind men in mental strength. You say something negative and they lose their shit. Why not just say that men and women have different abilities when it comes to mental abilities. Men will always be better in logic and technology and women will always be better in communication and social interactions + marketing\advertising? Women simply cannot think outside the feminist narrative that teaches them to instead of find their own strength, to invade mens' spaces, including what goes on between our ears. I am 45, I've worked with enough men and women to know in very practical sense who is good at what and who is bad at what. I work in IT. We have women who need 3 times longer to understand various technological concepts. It's not because they are dumbest, it's because we are fucking different. Everything else is that sickness called modern feminism

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Yeah, this is my experience too.

I find non-western folks generally understand and agree when you talk about this stuff with them, you can talk about natural instincts and evolutionary psychology and they just get it.

Some of these uncomfortable truths are difficult pills for westerners to swallow because we've all grown up in a culture that drills notions of equality, fairness, and effort = reward into us from a very young age.

We like to think of ourselves as enlightened, rational, and above primitive behavior, so when faced with the reality of the human psyche, people bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't real, because acknowledging it would shatter the notion that the world is fair and just, and that we're all equally valuable.

Finding these uncomfortable truths was the original point of the red pill, before it devolved into whining about women.

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Omg wtf even is this?

The strongest man is physically stronger than the strongest woman but there are millions of women stronger than you. Mentally, you have absolutely no idea if there is a bias for men or women being stronger but I'd bet on women since they face and overcome far more trauma than men generally.
What? You think that impressing a woman is the key to opening her legs? 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 If you're going through life like this then I feel sad for you and even worse for the women you meet. Women are people. They have all sorts of hopes and desires and complexities just like men. The view here is so demeaning and insulting and trying to take away their agency. If you "use this one trick to get any woman to sleep with you," you're probably going to end up a rapist.
Dating is harder for men? Really? Do you have any data to back this up or are you just having a hard time dating? Are we talking about finding someone to date us or the whole act of dating and relationships? It certainly doesn't sound like you've considered all the domestic abuse women have to navigate. It doesn't sound like you've even tried to consider what challenges there may be for women.
Endless options? What is your goal here? To have complete control of any woman that's in a room you walk into? This perspective is so warped and self-serving it basically screams I only care about myself, everyone else is just here to do something for me.
This isn't common sense it's a list of grievances that toxic men believe they face because they are owed a subservient female for being born male.

I truly hope you find some healthier perspectives because these are bad for you and bad for everyone around you. Just look at Andrew Tate, he's under arrest in Romania charged with sex trafficking and organizing a sex trafficking ring. Don't be like Andrew, don't be a Tater tot.

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