Debating women's preferences won't lead to women changing them

Cool_Ranch_2511 · 2024-01-09T03:30:42+00:00

Is anyone here under the delusion that arguing is going to change anything?

It's the only way express what is practically forbidden and unthinkable to say aloud in public.

mrcs84usn · 2024-01-09T02:43:05+00:00

TRP has talked several times about how you “can’t debate attraction,” or that “discovery is better than disclosure.” She wants to learn on her own that he’s a super cool dude, not listen to him try to explain how nice of a guy he is.

People on debate subs are gonna debate. I wouldn’t be surprised if more than half the people on political subs don’t even vote.

AngeCruelle · 2024-01-09T02:26:54+00:00

Every single man and woman on this sub is only here for one reason regardless of how much they deny it: adrenaline hits from arguing with strangers online. Nobody here is trying to do any of the stuff that you're claiming.

EuphoricBrightTipper · 2024-01-09T04:27:22+00:00

No, but genders can be more aware of each other and avoid stupidity.

the_fozzy_one · 2024-01-09T08:59:18+00:00

This is not a "debate" post but an obviously true statement. Most of the men and women on this sub probably aren't very attractive anyway -- do you seriously think there are 9s and 10s posting on PPD? They're on tiktok or some dude's yacht.

So, even if you could change the minds of women here, what would it matter anyway? Maybe a few more 4s in the world will see your point of view? Go on a date with you? Who cares?

mods_have_small_ween · 2024-01-09T02:25:38+00:00

The point is not to change the girls point of view. The point is for other men to read it and come to their own conclusions.

cmvmania · 2024-01-09T04:07:01+00:00

We are spending too much time complaining instead of taking action and finding out what works for each individual guy.

This is true, no one has enough balls and money to risk for a limb lengthening surgery or a plastic surgery. Go bleakpill until you are rich enough to afford the most minimum risk cosmetic surgery done by professionals.

apresonly · 2024-01-09T02:15:27+00:00

> If you have the wrong height, race, build, religon, status or income level you will never be able to logically talk a woman that doesn't want you into dating you or sleeping with you.

if a woman is ugly to a man can she "logically talk" a man who isn't interested in her into being with her?

shmupsy · 2024-01-09T14:16:33+00:00

I prefer to date nihilist men on here who think we should let society burn as long as our dicks are still getting wet

Altruistic_Talk_828 · 2024-01-09T03:26:06+00:00

The goal isn't to get them to change their preferences - it's to dispel this ridiculous notion that women are sapiosexual. We want to demonstrate that they are, in fact, just hairless monkeys and rub their noses in it.

Historical-Sink-1112 · 2024-01-09T03:04:17+00:00

Yes, of course we know this, but that's not why we argue with them.

We argue with them for the most basic recognition of the Red Pill facts what men have collectively realized on this sub, and to prevent the ever prevalent Blue Pill gaslighting - ie - that women are actual NOT attracted to these things and all you "need to be is a good man who treats women right". SMH.

If you have the wrong height, race, build, religon, status or income level you will never be able to logically talk a woman that doesn't want you into dating you or sleeping with you

Sabrepill · 2024-01-09T03:23:03+00:00

I agree and this is also true in reverse. The difference is that women don’t try to change mens mind, they try to socially assassinate them for having normal male preferences.

If you prefer women significantly younger then you’re a creep and a predator. If you won’t date fat women you’re shallow. If you want a woman with big tits you’re a pervert. If you prefer foreign women it’s because you’re a loser. If you want a submissive woman then you’re a control freak.

Normal male preferences for attractive and feminine younger women with good fertility indicators are shamed hardcore by bitter brainwashed women of all ages and it’s much worse than the lower tier men who simply wish they could find a date but can’t just because they are short or ugly. Both parties are wrong but women seem far more vicious about it, toxic femininity is all about social destruction and shaming.

Nobody has the right to dictate to anyone else who they should prefer to date

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2024-01-09T10:15:39+00:00

What people want in debating is not to change their preferences.

But to add their own perspective to the debate.

So if you want the best car that like 300.000 but only wanna pay 500 bucks for it. It's not weird to say your delusional

Cause men also have their own preferences and debating and shaming them also does not change them at all. Just make men lie more about them to get what they want.

And if you say i demanding all kinds of things. What is completely fine you should be selective.

But at the same time what makes you worth or deserving off it over someone else that is more willing to give and accept the preference of what the other party also wants so both get their preference meet.

So in simple terms it's easy to have a long list of preferences and demands of a partner. But at the same time. What are you willing to do the work to and fill the preference of the other side so they are willing to give what you want.

Just like in any business deal you gotta know what the other side wants and willing to fulfill that role to get the best price or benfits on your own side of the deal.

So the more you fulfill the other side's longings the more they are willing to bend to your willingness to give them all the things you want as well.

So you can wish for all the stars under the sky if you want to. But end of the day if you not willing to give equal value back they want. Don't be surprised people keep passing up on you all the time.

Cause thats the market supply and demand. You can say i demand what ever. But if the supply of that type of thing is super low. Know you have to pay top dollar for it. Not willing to pay that price knowing you won't be getting what you want.

Its just that simple. And thats not sexist to say that. Reality is just that reality. Can talk around it. Say it all colorful. And shit.

But end off the day its just that simple as what are you willing to do or sacrifice to truely get the things you want. And is it enough? To fulfill what the others wants. To want to keep investing in you. And vice versa.

Cause thats is life the most beautiful thing's are the most fragile and require the most work to keep a hold of it the longest. And on both sides that is the case or it will not last. Why most relationships lately don't last very long people are not willing to really do the work or pay the price to deserving off the things the demanding off partners.

But no one say changing your preferences is what you have to do. But dont expect to only pay 500 bucks for a 300.000 car and expect it to be more than a short ride thats what people are saying

MassiveScarcity5337 · 2024-01-09T11:46:49+00:00

The point isn’t to change woman’s mind it’s to change men’s mind

GetStickBugged1337 · 2024-01-09T16:17:34+00:00

I mean, guys changed how they operate in society drastically since just my Dad's generation. Women can change too. It wont be easy.

ThatEvilGuy · 2024-01-09T16:53:32+00:00

You are absolutely right, OP.

And the reason you can't change their opinion, is because you are arguing against the genes.

Would you eat fruit that's gone bad? No. No matter how much someone tried to convince you. You may do it as a challenge or if someone paid you, maybe. But that does not mean you want it. You know instinctively it's not good.

Substantial_Video560 · 2024-01-10T18:34:16+00:00

Since I no longer date or do relationships women's preferences matter not to me. Do whatever makes you happy! 😎

Agile-Explanation263 · 2024-01-13T00:48:23+00:00

I just wish mothers and some other women would stop lying to thier sons/friends saying "Just be nice/yourself and girls will like you" or "You're husband material, thats a good thing." Be honest and tell him right now he's not attractive enough to have girls see him that way and to start with his most obvious insecurity and try and work on it.

Fabulous_HonestTea · 2024-01-09T04:03:55+00:00

Modern women's desires, preferences and choices are there own and no amount of pseudoscience, statistics or psychoanalysis will change this.

Yep.

Attraction cannot be forced, coerced, or negotiated.

She knows if she’s attracted to you or not by one simple action:

Looking at you.

krackedy · 2024-01-09T02:03:23+00:00

The debating is just desperate men trying to justify their worldview. They don't expect a woman to change her preferences, they are hoping to be validated in their belief that women are too shallow. If they can blame women for being too shallow there's no point in them even trying.

Cor_ay · 2024-01-09T01:58:26+00:00

Who is debating women’s preferences?

Are you saying that men telling certain women that they’re likely to settle based on their standards, means that those men are debating against their preferences?

That’s pretty off…..they’re not debating against their preferences, they’re saying that they are unrealistic for a specific individual, and so they’re likely to have to adjust their preferences at some point, or live in a continuous state of delusion.

It would be like telling a man who wants to get rich, that they will never get rich, because they smoke weed and play video games all day. In that case, you’re not debating against his preference to be rich (of course he wants to be rich), you’re just saying it’s highly unlikely for them, and that they should either change their behavior, or prepare for settling.

Character-Current-57 · 2024-01-09T02:37:40+00:00

Don't debate them. Don't pity them when they get what they thought they wanted.

caption291 · 2024-01-09T03:02:11+00:00

This is the biggest problem with men today. We are spending too much time complaining instead of taking action and finding out what works for each individual guy.

a group of 100 people that strictly focus on self-improvement can't attain 10% of what a group of 100 people that focus on more general stuff about the group (what you would dismiss as complaining) can.

The "illusion" of success is that 10 out of the 100 people in the second group focus on self-improvement AND get the benefit of the 90 more cooperative people so they "win". But their strategy only works because it exploits the other strategy...not becuse it's a good strategy in a vacuum.

So imo, the path forward isn't to race to the bottom(aka everyone adopting your attitude) but instead to remove the people who do from the group.

It shouldn't be an issue because those people believe they can just fix every problem trough self-improvement anyways right?

macone235 · 2024-01-09T04:56:40+00:00

I don't debate women to change their opinions. These people have no logical argument to begin with, so of course it is pointless. The debating should be reserved for making them look ignorant, and to enlighten more men to the truth. More and more men are seeing the truth as well, and the more enlightened men are, the better.

EsotericRonin · 2024-01-09T06:36:39+00:00

Most of the men here are just here to bitch moan complain about how unfair women's standards are and how they don't deserve to have them blah blah blah. And then preach about how shallow women are which usually stems from the fact that the men are just not physically desirable.

CraftyCooler · 2024-01-09T10:47:29+00:00

Nah - I think that online gender war is quite fun, why should we stop it if we are having a good time ?

iassureyouimreal · 2024-01-09T12:13:22+00:00

Truth

gntlbastard · 2024-01-09T14:44:13+00:00

Who said anything about debating female preference. If a woman wants to participate in clubbing, have at it. Why take needless frustration trying to control her habits where there are millions of women who are not like that.

AnalyzeData · 2024-01-09T15:43:22+00:00

So: 1) Stop caring what women want. 2) Stop trying to change other people 3) Debate never changed behavior. Why would talk change actions? 4) Change your values. Why value women who you don't like?

Ohmaygahh · 2024-01-09T19:18:47+00:00

I agree it will not change them.

But it will disabuse everyone from the idea that somehow women's preferences and selection criteria is somehow more virtuous or morally superior to men's.

Negus808 · 2024-01-09T21:40:55+00:00

This is true. i tried to change minds of people irl by proving good points. both men and women sticked to their opinion in any case

AnyRutabaga5987 · 2024-01-10T08:45:55+00:00

Here’s a thought, why even care about women’s preferences? Do your thing and maybe women come around but It won’t have a toxic validation cycle filled with you having to prove yourself.

Why would anyone need to prove themselves to someone unless that person at first had your respect?

hav1t · 2024-01-10T14:03:02+00:00

Well the thing is, their "preferences" do change. Just as they hit the wall...

EffectiveAsparagus89 · 2024-01-11T17:29:19+00:00

I have always wanted to say this. Great post. The slogan is: attraction cannot be negotiated.

However, I want to warn against mainstream redpill, as they are also wrong. The only truth is the blackpill and the solution is to looksmaxx. Everything else is pure cope. The only self improvement that would work in regards to attraction is completely physical.

shanshkrishur · 2024-01-11T20:51:28+00:00

I completely agree with you.

We should also say that to women though.

It doesn’t matter how much women argue that her accomplishments, education, money, and to a lesser degree intellect should matter to men over, say her body shape or body count, it just won’t and no amount of shaming or arguing about it will ever change that.

That being said, I do enjoy seeing guys argue against female preferences bringing the same energy and using the same tactics that feminists use when they argue against men that the size of her educational resume should matter more than the size of her bust, as if that’s going to change our biological wiring as men.

Many_Dragonfly4154 · 2024-01-09T05:17:07+00:00

Yet another feminist psyop. If women somehow convinced men to be simps and cucks, who is to say the reverse can't happen?

Shit like this doesn't happen naturally: https://www.reddit.com/r/dating/comments/1913vka/i_went_on_a_phenomenal_date/?sort=confidence

Economy-Shake-1448 · 2024-01-09T01:55:27+00:00

What preferences are women supposed to change? Most women aren’t all pining after a super Chad regardless of the what the men here say.

One-Store2972 · 2024-01-09T07:17:26+00:00

1) no one here is trying to change preferences, or if they are, it’s futile. No one wants to be settled for and physical attraction preferences generally don’t change 2) complaining is cathartic. I don’t know why people don’t understand this. Ranting and being listened to makes people feel better and listening to others experiences can help people feel less alone when they are struggling with their own body 3) do not gaslight me into believing that my hatred for my own body is misplaced. I do not like being shot and never will. The percentage of women who prefer short men ARE NOT the same as the number of women who prefer tall men. More that just women, the mockery and body shaming that happens when someone is short makes me hate it more, just for people to say “be confident”, “stop whining”, which both perpetuate toxic masculinity

Siliconmage76 · 2024-01-09T05:13:02+00:00

Women's preferences are not overblown. Problem is an entire generation of men came into adulthood fat, lazy, broke, neuro divergent and unable to properly socialize in person due to constant online gaming being their preferred method of socialization.

That's a disastrous combination because online dating doesn't really work and they don't have even the slightest clue on how to make a smooth, polite and successful approach.

Average women's preferences haven't changed much in 30 years. What has changed is average men have slipped into territory where they are below average compared to males in previous generations.

But of course I can hear the shrill cries even now:

"It's women's fault they made us this way!!!"

RedditIsCensorship2 · 2024-01-09T06:22:07+00:00

We aren't debating women on their preferences. We are hoping that they stop with the silly virtue signaling and admit to what their preferences are. Women are at least as shallow as men. They just deny it.

Safinated · 2024-01-09T06:02:23+00:00

Treating and dealing with people as individuals is harder and requires more effort, so it is not the preferred strategy

pilulenoir · 2024-01-09T12:02:02+00:00

Agreed, which is why I became an oil lobbyist. The only recourse is revenge.

PowerGlove-it-so-bad · 2024-01-09T16:04:06+00:00

Depends, some Women listen like my wife. She really thought a marriage was a "partnership" until I made her realize it was not and that. It never was.

She has never been happier now.

MassiveAd1026 · 2024-01-09T02:10:39+00:00

It's obvious you don't understand men "Wide-Illustrator2906" Men are interested in sex with physically attractive women. We're also interested in you not being as annoying as our last gf. It's women that are interested in attention and validation.

analt223 · 2024-01-09T02:54:04+00:00

That's fine, but when the patriarchy exists because of women's wants then they can't complain

ColbyXXXX · 2024-01-09T02:18:09+00:00

Women’s standards are not high at all. Do you guys really not see that women regularly date and even chase losers? Barely literate dudes are impregnating 20 year old 9/10 women. All you have to do is be better than them and that isn’t hard.

Sutanrei · 2024-01-09T02:46:46+00:00

Who cares if they change..there are just certain things that would give better results, rather they care or not is up to them. Not really seeing the purpose of this topic.

Electronic_West_1831 · 2024-01-09T08:46:04+00:00

Indeed - it’s better to just give up

Planthoe30 · 2024-01-09T09:52:45+00:00

I disagree I think if someone is reasonable then their mind can be changed if the right piece of information is delivered. For example if someone has a height preference of 6ft I could pose the question, would height matter if he had a carry permit for a firearm?

Or in the case of men breast size can be misleading if your goal is spreading your seed because I have larger than average breasts and I’m infertile. Deceived by the bewbs.

shadowrangerfs · 2024-01-09T11:01:46+00:00

The debate isn't to get the woman to pick me. It's to get her reconsider what she's looking for so that she won't pass up on some other decent guy.

Men and women should be questioning their dating preferences.

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historyhill · 2024-01-09T05:23:26+00:00

If you have the wrong height, race, build, religon, status or income level you will never be able to logically talk a woman that doesn't want you into dating you or sleeping with you.

I find it interesting you would include religion in this list because it seems like an area that many/most men and women would agree should be a deal breaker for dating while most of the others listed are more "shallow."

Mr_4country_wide · 2024-01-09T06:14:04+00:00

does the end goal have to be totally changing their minds? Can it not be more akin to how the body positivity movement for women worked? an acknowledgement of widescale societal preferences, how that is likely to make people outside those preferences feel, and what we can do to ameliorate that

AlmostKindaGreat · 2024-01-09T20:24:10+00:00

Absolutely. One of the biggest takeaways from RP for me was "You cannot negotiate desire."

I don't argue that someone should change their preferences. I do argue that we should all be adults and just acknowledge what women's preferences tend to be, not shying away from anything that might seem shallow or not purely virtuous. In other words, let's talk about women's preferences the same way we talk about men's.

It's not exactly going to change the world if I change anyone's mind on PPD, but I do want men to have a realistic picture of what women actually want and not a sanitized version. Without this they will have a much harder time.

boomeranghitcha · 2024-01-09T23:32:24+00:00

No it won't change individual preferences.

But we can ask women to stop shaming their friends and forcing the height preference on them, in particular.

Title	Debating women's preferences won't lead to women changing them
Author	Wide-Illustrator2906
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Date	January 9, 2024 1:51 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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