Why isn't the phrase "Nice girls finish last" as common?

ChicoBrillo · 2024-05-05T15:23:59+00:00

There is a saying “good girls go to heaven but bad girls go everywhere”

yodol-90 · 2024-05-05T15:32:53+00:00

because they dont finish last lol.

SlowEffective8146 · 2024-05-05T15:03:34+00:00

Because women are rewarded in the sexual marketplace for being nice, men aren't

throwaway164_3 · 2024-05-05T15:47:31+00:00

Because they don’t finish last

As long as a woman isn’t fat, she’ll have a queue of guys interested in dating with and sleeping with her

She will ALWAYS be able to fuck hot men when younger and settle with a less attractive but stable man when older

Women hold all the power in the dating world, they are the privileged sex and have it on easy mode. The only thing they have to do is “just don’t be fat”.

UnhappyInevitable680 · 2024-05-05T16:10:42+00:00

Men are extremely simple, if you are a good person (nice, caring, selfless, loving) and are even average attractiveness you will have a successful relationship. FACT

Dankutoo · 2024-05-05T18:14:19+00:00

Because women don't run in the race...they wait at the finish line and go home with the winners.

ComfortableJeans · 2024-05-05T15:39:37+00:00

Generally the "bad boy" to the more leaning "aggressive" traits are seen as desirable in men. And "nice" men aren't those things. So men who're "badder" and more agressive do better in terms of dating. Even if said man is attractive, being "nice" will hamper him, as he isn't "bad" or aggressive.

Where as womens more desirable traits are typically what IS associated with nice. Sweeter, kinder, more demure and submissive. So if a woman is attractive AND has "nice" traits, she's generally going to do far better than a "nice" attractive man.

Before anyone jump up and starts going on about how nice doesn't mean anything because men aren't lining up for a fat woman with 4 kids because she's "nice." It's one factor that is going to be taken into consideration when dating. In the same way a man could be more aggressive and attractive, more "nice" and attractive, more aggressive and unnattractive, and "nice" and unnattractive.

In the same way you hear women talk about why they're not interested in a man because he's a pussy, you hear men say they wouldn't date a woman because she is a bitch.

If you're a submissive or "nice" man, you better be attractive, or you're totally fucked.

It's worth mentioning, this is just in terms of dating and desirability.

And this is all speaking generally. I'm sure there ARE women who want submission and "nice" attitudes, but they're going to be a fairly extreme minority.

yptheone · 2024-05-05T18:57:04+00:00

They dont finish last thats why.

Exciting-Parfait-776 · 2024-05-05T15:19:56+00:00

Women aren’t the ones that has to approach and ask out and then court

pranavlko · 2024-05-05T18:45:42+00:00

Because heterosexual attraction is not symmetrical. There needs to be a master - slave dynamic of sorts between the man and woman for there to be attraction. Women talk about wanting their man to be "dominant" "leader in the relationship" etc.

Nice guys don't treat women as less than them, and their feminist behavior makes them sexually unattractive.

The bad boys don't give too much respect to what women say, and don't give them too much attention, something a master would do to his slave, and this turns women on unfortunately, although it's not their fault .. it's in our DNA.

Edit - It's important that the bad boy be higher up the social hierarchy than the woman, or else there couldn't be any attraction to begin with.

Remote_Panic_3271 · 2024-05-05T16:10:29+00:00

Cause women control sex and dating

Conscious_Luck1256 · 2024-05-05T15:16:49+00:00

because they don't

nnuunn · 2024-05-05T16:34:47+00:00

Because men like nice girls, women don't like nice guys

John_Oakman · 2024-05-05T15:15:46+00:00

Because a worst case scenario* she would have the settle for being alone (a stunning and brave choice) or leveraging her social legitimacy to secure a tolerable provider. The worst case scenario for an undesirable male is being alone (and seen by society as being fundamentally lacking of moral virtues unless a religious loophole is used) or being a provider (paying much in time & labor for the privilege to been seen as a inoffensive, nonthreatening, and contributing member of society).

It's the social legitimacy value that makes all the difference.

*nominal worst barring exceptions of being raped & murdered, because the same could be said for the LVMs.

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2024-05-05T15:31:56+00:00

They do. The issue is that it's hard to equivocate that dynamic to women because women struggle with different things than men do. Women don't struggle with dating and sex the same way that men do. A nice girl probably would struggle to get the men she wants because more manipulative women have an easier time getting their attention. But, the men that get chased by manipulative men are a very small minority relative to the women that get chased by manipulative men.

Out of the crowd of men and women not getting chased, the male crowd is usually larger and those men are way more receptive to attention. To men, "nice girls" chose to finish last by chasing the same few men that the manipulative women wanted. Men often don't have this same alternative or those women are already being chased by the other nice guys not being chased.

If you're a woman, you're always someone's target.

Conversely, If you're a man, chances are that no one is chasing you.

Upset_Material_3372 · 2024-05-05T19:46:49+00:00

Because it literally doesn’t matter what a woman is like she can still “finish” in any way she wants.

There is no similar struggle as there is no struggle at all.

alebruto · 2024-05-05T20:12:42+00:00

because nice girls are desirable

SoldierExcelsior · 2024-05-05T20:48:04+00:00

Nice girls finish first.

just_a_place · 2024-05-06T03:03:45+00:00

Because boys and girls are not the same.

Just because something is true of men does not mean it must also be true of women. Different sexes, different standards, different realities.

oooo020201lfl · 2024-05-06T04:01:20+00:00

Because nice girls still get used and abused by douchebags just like any other girl lol

shadowrangerfs · 2024-05-06T11:15:44+00:00

Because I've never heard of a man rejecting a woman because, "She's too nice".

ICU8a8 · 2024-05-05T16:46:48+00:00

Men value peace. Women value drama.

Nice women create peace for men. Most men learn very early on in life whether they are Chad material who can land 7.5’s, 8’s, 9’s and 10’s.

If they can’t pull those women, they very quickly adjust their frame of reference to the average or slightly above average girls. Amongst those girls, men like empathetic, sweet, nurturing women who care for men and want to please them.

Average Women never learn they aren’t Stacy’s because of OLD, simps and Chads slumming it.

UnhappyInevitable680 · 2024-05-05T16:00:56+00:00

Men value women who are nice Women don’t value men who are nice Women like a man who has a backbone but society (and even women) say that is toxic This is the crux of red pill: women saying one thing and doing another thing Pick a damn ideology and stick with it, I don’t care which side women and society choose just be consistent

Blank slate egalitarianism or Men are superior and should have the authority

Because that’s what they are thinking when they want the man to lead (that he should be superior)

Pick a Tradeoff!

gloomette · 2024-05-05T15:26:48+00:00

Yes sometimes. They end up getting their time wasted by men that don’t really like them. You don’t get “rewarded” for being a “nice girl” as a woman, you get “rewarded” for having healthy boundaries/standards and being attractive.

DXBrigade · 2024-05-05T15:25:57+00:00

Mostly because of the "bad boy" trope which is very popular in fiction. Women also accept that Looks is the number one factor much more than men when it comes to dating.

MelodicCrow2264 · 2024-05-05T17:48:30+00:00

Because women don’t have to cross the finish line at all. They just hang out at the finish and fuck whoever they want.

grown_folks_talkin · 2024-05-05T17:59:55+00:00

Women aren’t punished for passivity

alotofironsinthefire · 2024-05-05T15:15:16+00:00

Guys is used as a gender neutral term for the original proverb

januaryphilosopher · 2024-05-05T15:47:30+00:00

Women tend to direct these feelings of disappointment at their dating lives inwards (thinking it's because they're not good enough rather than that it's someone else's fault for not liking them), which results in less complaining but can be equally destructive.

wtknight · 2024-05-05T15:10:01+00:00

It's probably because it's not true. There are plenty of nice women who end up dating and marrying attractive men. These women probably get hired for good jobs, too.

Proudvow · 2024-05-05T20:19:04+00:00

Because it's rarely the case for women. All non-personality related factors equal (looks, libido, etc.) a nice woman is usually going to be preferred over and treated better than a bitch.

While a nice guy will often still lose to a jerk if the jerk is more assertive, exciting, masculine, etc.

ilike18yoblackpussy · 2024-05-05T23:07:15+00:00

Because it isn't true. Men prefer nice women. If a girl is nice but ugly, and also very picky, then maybe she'll have a hard time. But if a girl is young, nice and smoking hot with a pretty face and nice body, and interested in a serious relationship, she'll often be snatched off the market in milliseconds.

In fact, I think a lot of the "passport bros" stuff is guys flying halfway around the world to find women who are nicer to them than the ones at home. Because it isn't exactly hard to get pussy in the West, especially if you have a couple thousand to spend to travel abroad.

basteandpilled · 2024-05-06T01:17:37+00:00

The phrase “nice guys finish last” was never just used for dating and “guys” is gender neutral in it. It refers to less aggressive people being less successful.

KamuiObito · 2024-05-06T21:30:11+00:00

Men like all women

Women only like men wayy better then other men and themselves

Most 19 year old women aren’t dating 18-19 year old men but men aged 21+.

bluepvtstorm · 2024-05-05T15:33:26+00:00

There’s a whole book on this phenomenon. It’s called why men love bitches.

Nice girls get the same treatment as nice guys. They aren’t the hot girl who gets chased. They get put in the friend zone same as men. They are the forever best friend who sure she is good to hear all the dating problems of her male friends but she doesn’t even get fully treated as anything other than an extension of the friend group.

That is not to say, that any one of the male friends would have sex with her but she is not the girl they put any effort into pursuing. She is merely a placeholder.

She is not seen as a sexual being or worth any real effort. She is just there.

There are a lot of nice girls sitting at home watching as milestones happen for other people and not for them.

They show up as friends for the bitchy girls and get walked all over. They show up for the male friends and give advice on how to win someone over and they show up for their parents when they get old since life passed them buy.

I know this story all too well. I have a lot of friends who are living that story now.

Crimson-Pilled · 2024-05-05T17:09:00+00:00

Because we're not symmetrical. Nice girls are more attractive to men while nice guys are less attractive to women. Women desire a powerful protector who's also fun and dramatic, men want a supporter who helps maintain stability. The sexes sabotage themselves when they assume their opposite is like them and attracted to the same things they are.

DISCLAIMER: This is about the POPULARITY of this cliché for males and for women.

Umm, don't you mean for men and for women? Men are humans too.

ColbyXXXX · 2024-05-05T17:43:38+00:00

Nice girls finish last when they are chasing men who are players. They end up expending effort that other girls wouldn’t just to get played anyway. Niceness is rewarded by men who care about relationships. Not the same for guys though. Women are really really forgiving of transgressions when they like you so you can be mean and it won’t ruin the relationship with most women.

Women generally don’t have very good boundaries when they like a guy and it can get pretty messy.

Most_Read_1330 · 2024-05-05T21:38:07+00:00

Because men like nice women.

Windmill_flowers · 2024-05-05T15:42:37+00:00

Men here don’t even acknowledge that lonely women exist in the world.

They don’t even give women that human experience. It’s all about them and their “loneliness”—aka inability to “ruin” a girl with their dick. It’s pretty fucking disgusting.

abaxeron · 2024-05-05T15:50:01+00:00

Femonoids get judged by appearance. Uggos finish last.

howdoiw0rkthisthing · 2024-05-05T15:18:16+00:00

A lot of phrases refer to men to mean people, because women are not the primary sex.

Makes it hard to come up with a clever flair that uses the word “woman” or “female” in some way.

Poor_Olive_Snook · 2024-05-05T15:31:42+00:00

In this phrase the word "guys" is applicable to both genders. Like if you greeted a mixed group of people with "hey guys"

bloblikeseacreature · 2024-05-05T16:37:12+00:00

nice girls finish last type sentiments apply to work, not relationships.

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MllePerso · 2024-05-05T15:50:53+00:00

Because it's a non-gendered phrase that uses "guys" to mean people in general. And it's not really about dating, but about life in general: I've seen it primarily used in the context of business / office politics.

Stop_Maximum · 2024-05-05T15:58:55+00:00

I think it can apply to both genders, but I also don’t think it applies to everyone in general. I think some people use it in the wrong context, and sometimes try to manipulate people into going with them because “I was nice to you”. I’ve noticed some men and women do the absolute most for someone and once the find out the person isn’t interested or is dating, they do a 360.

Kagenikakushiteru · 2024-05-05T17:59:16+00:00

No Pill Man

Nice and pretty is great. Just nice? Whatever

apresonly · 2024-05-06T23:52:35+00:00

idk this is basically the trope lifetime ran on for decades

fakingandnotmakingit · 2024-05-07T02:03:34+00:00

Because it depends on your definition of finishing

Nice girls definitely get bfs. The real challenge is to ensure you aren't so nice that you end up being the doormat

toasterchild · 2024-05-05T15:18:42+00:00

Because the saying is old from when girls didn't even participate people just use it for both genders at this point.

berichorbeburied · 2024-05-05T15:27:44+00:00

Because woman’s personality is not factored into the equation of attractiveness.

For example the stereotype of “hot crazy bitch” being used to as why a man would even entertain such a situation

Also you bring up a point.

Maybe in theory a “nice girl” is the feminine archetype.

Meaning “a traditional housewife” or something virtuous.

So as a positive thing

Where as a “nice guy” is just mimicry of a female archetype.

And since men and women are different.

What works as a successful female mating strategy. Might not work as a successful male mating strategy.

badgersonice · 2024-05-05T16:15:05+00:00

Because women never believed that being nice was all that mattered or that men would overlook their appearance if they were just nice. They watched and observed and figured out looks mattered more than being nice by age 12.

spanglesandbambi · 2024-05-05T15:13:10+00:00

Everyone has similar struggles, just different things for different genders.

Some men think all it takes is to be nice and then take offence when that's not the case, hence the phrase.

KayRay1994 · 2024-05-05T16:26:38+00:00

because the equivalence of the “nice guy” is usually the pick me girl and nobody likes the pick me girl while pick me’s are entirely in denial

Kapoue · 2024-05-05T16:55:50+00:00

If a guy is genuinely nice, he'll probably get sex. The cliché of "nice guys finish last" is not about genuinely nice guys. It's about bitter man thinking they are nice guys.

Choice-Substance-183 · 2024-05-05T15:20:28+00:00

In my experience, nice guys finish first. And nice girls also finish first.

Actual nice guys have no issues or challenges dating.

Guys who aren't nice are the ones calling themselves "nice guys". And those are on the ones never finishing or finishing last. Nobody wants a guy who pretends to be nice.

Idk about women. I can't say that I've seen a woman act nice for sex the same way that men pretend.

The cliché is specifically about men for a reason.

TRTGymBro1 · 2024-05-05T18:14:42+00:00

I can't stand nice girls. They are like having a puppy. Utterly useless pushovers.

Title	Why isn't the phrase "Nice girls finish last" as common?
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