Average Men are Definitely Benefiting from Men Being Radicalised.

battery_18v · 2026-01-22T00:10:05+00:00

Average men like the one in the video?

MichaelsAltMan · 2026-01-22T00:08:20+00:00

Wow, we've gone from women finding a handful of men attractive to women finding a handful of men attractive, but with a percentage of men being shittier. What an improvement.

psych0ticmonk · 2026-01-22T00:00:30+00:00

TikTok personality known best for his "How to Piss Off Men" series

So you’re just quoting a literal rage baiter?

yoloswag420noscope69 · 2026-01-22T02:01:05+00:00

and do away with outdated gender norms.

Women in this sub consistently prove that they are not for this at all. They consistently argue for traditional gender roles that benefit women. I'm all for doing away with outdated gender norms. It's the bluepill women that you have to fight on this.

anonymousppd123123 · 2026-01-22T00:20:06+00:00

a guy who isn’t a tosser and understands that women are people who bleed the same blood as everyone else will be the one to garner leverage from this as the radicals from the manosphere are left wandering around with their tails between their legs.

Thats an amusing fantasy youve created in your head there

PuzzleheadedGrab8375 · 2026-01-22T02:01:12+00:00

but women (more than anything else) can’t stand sexism and discrimination, and so they wouldn’t mind settling for an average guy who isn’t trying to bring outdated aspects of romantic relationships back into the mainstream again

I guess you’re over estimating the amount of progressive women and probably even more so under estimating the amount of completely unpolitical women. Women tend to be more left leaning than men yes, but there is also a very large group that is unpolitical and more or less embraces traditional gender norms subconsciously, because of their socialisation. So while it might be a bit harder for right- wingers/ manosphere dudes to couple, the difference is probably not substantial. Even more so because queer people tend to be on the feminism side, which means proportionally more female feminists are not even interested in men, compared to the group of unpolitical women. And as i already mentioned, non- feminists tend to subconsciously follow traditional gender norms which means non- feminist women probably feel more pressure to couple up.

ThorLives · 2026-01-22T03:38:11+00:00

Yeah, I don't believe it makes it better for average men. That's just a cope.

I can make an argument for it going either direction:

Either, the "manosphere" men are terrible and that raises the relative value of average guys who aren't into the manosphere, OR the "manosphere" men are terrible and it causes women to be mistrustful of all men and want retribution against men (as a group) and are therefore, less likely to date or trust the average non-manosphere man (because she can't tell which men are secretly holding those beliefs).

Overall, I don't think it has any major effect on the dating prospects of the average, non-manosphere man. If I were to guess, I'd say that it lowers his prospects because women might automatically distrust him.

women are ahead in a boat load of aspects of life in education, culture and are catching up to us in career so our place as men in all this is to adapt to the 21st Century and do away with outdated gender norms.

The reality is that women LIKE when men perform outdated gender norms, like benevolent sexism. They just don't like when they have to perform gender roles. Most women are going to be turned off if a guy deviates too much from masculine norms because she might suspect he's gay or bi.

Training-Cook3507 · 2026-01-22T00:07:10+00:00

This guy is ridiculously out of touch. Dating has never been harder for the average guy.

VietQuads · 2026-01-22T08:29:20+00:00

copium

Worth_Meringue_2464 · 2026-01-22T02:19:43+00:00

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How are men being Radicalized when they havent changed much at all? The ones being radicalized are the women screaming about ICE all the time, yet ignore the fact The SAME man Obama gave the highest honor for deportations is STILL Leading Ice and hasnt deported anywhere near the same amount of people Obama had. And yet NONE of you women were upset about it until social media told you to be mad about it.

xxxPaid_by_Stevexxx · 2026-01-22T00:10:57+00:00

This guy is what I call a male pickme or at least a panderer on social media for money. The most sexist ass and cheating on the girlfriends consistently men I know from my acquaintance circles are the ones who have no problems with women. You know who has an issue? 36-year-old virgin 5-6 on the scale religious guy who used to call himself a feminist wayyy before it became a performative thing to do.

Just another "women like nice guys" cope. When it has been proven again and again that it is not the case.

Andrew Tate has no issue with women. Aakash Singh has a fate worse than staying single forever.

chalkandapples · 2026-01-22T00:14:22+00:00

In my day to day life I don't worry any man I meet are radicalized or is super sexist, and I haven't met anyone in real life like that. Social media amplifies a lot of radical views. Normal guys, or guys without strong opinions don't create shorts or videos that's likely to go viral.

But even if we don't see it in real life, women in real life after hearing radicalized voices online might be more cautious of men or be more radicalized themselves since they believe the other side is like that. They might have conclusions on how men think or act without actually interacting with men around them. Similarly a lot of men become radicalized after listening to radicalized women online, and make conclusions on how women are without interacting with women around them. This is how people get radicalized and polarized and it's happening in politics too.

One thing that could be beneficial to guys is that historically men's issues are not really talked about. I do think a lot of radicalized men, even though they might do damage in other areas to men's reputation and usually brings this up very in a very crude way, do unearth some real issues men have that was kinda buried before.

wtknight · 2026-01-22T00:09:16+00:00

Women are just thinking every man is secretly a misogynist, or that they only want sex, even "average men". Misandry is growing in response to misogyny because women aren't any better of people than men are and are just one chromosome away from being Andrew Tate supporters themselves. Young women are instead just going their own way or exploring their bisexuality. The best thing that a man can probably do who isn't a misogynist is find a country where the women don't already hate men just for existing.

Shadowcat1606 · 2026-01-22T02:16:24+00:00

Well, in terms of views on relationship, gender norms/roles, women's right, i'd say i'm at worst average, even progressive to a degree. Didn't help me much so far, so i'm pretty sure that the bar isn't that low.

Apart from that... nice theory. But this only works if:

A) the amount of men actually following the BS spread by manosphere-influencers is big enough to be noteworthy in day to day interactions between men and women to influence womens' standards in men significantly (to put it simply - if only one out of a hundred guys she meets and tries to date fell pray to manosphere-teachings that would turn her away during the initial dates/conversations, he'd just be seen as the odd one out and it wouldn't concern her much in her continued search for a guy if there is more than enough other guys).

B) Closely related to point A, but it also only matters if those men are actually interacting with women in the first place. If they keep to their echo chambers where they complain about how hard or useless approaching women is while never actually approaching women, which i honestly believe to be the case for the majority of manosphere-guys.

C) Even IF the number of man buying into the manosphere-crap is high enough and women interact with them (be it on dating apps or IRL) and end up going on at least first dates with them regulary, this is only really an issue if those views are a definitive turn-off for most women.

InterestingGoose5507 · 2026-01-22T09:09:04+00:00

All this doesn’t overcome the physical attraction high barrier! The few men that pass the barrier can act however they like!

SecondEldenLord · 2026-01-22T10:40:52+00:00

You assume that most average men are single because they don't respect women, correct? That's just blaming men without having a shroud of evidence that all those average men or that even most are bad. But we have plenty of evidence of the amount of women complaining of their partners being abusive, cheaters, wife beaters, etc. If women really cared about personality, then there wouldn't be so many of them in abusive relationships, and I don't wanna hear "oh, those men pretended to be nice", well, so can average guys but it doesn't work for them, does it now? I wonder why is that? And how come most abusive men are attractive?

PrecisionHat · 2026-01-22T15:21:50+00:00

The thing is, those sexist guys you're talking about get laid all the time. They get dates all the time. As long as they are good looking enough. Women say they hate the macho dudes, but actions speak louder than words.

Gold_Sheepherder6569 · 2026-01-22T00:07:57+00:00

This isn't true because the percentage of men with rp/manosphere level misogyny(like Tate and Myron) is actually quite low. Second women aren't primarily selecting for personality, they are selecting for looks(although personality can influence how women perceive your looks) so even the men with misogynistic views can still get women because of their looks. 6/10 men are not getting the most attractive women because of personality, this guy likely saw a looksmatched couple and overrated the woman or the guy has other factors like height and/or money that make up for the looks disparity

Vlad_The_Great_2 · 2026-01-22T02:54:08+00:00

The men I know that get the most causal sex and dates are the most sexist and misogynistic men I know. It’s a just world fallacy. You think only bad people suffer. No. This is real life. Women choose bad men all the time just because they are physically attractive or “exciting”. The average man is basically a ghost to 99% of women until she needs something from him or he tries to shoot his shot.

Dziksoon · 2026-01-22T00:44:15+00:00

Giggling average men who listen to this that they will benefits from you who decided to "settle for less" and you average men should feel lucky. You average men with some profits, stability, and professional gains kicking in, who early life tests quiet, alone building resilience, making the native ready for deep, enduring achievements by late 30s methodically, while still appreciating you but don't need you really :) enjoying few satisfying platonic relationships with depth.

leefjk · 2026-01-22T06:01:01+00:00

This all sounds nice, but it's not how it is. Sure, if you see a woman as a person, you'll have a nice conversation with them. Ultimately though, you want something from them, which puts a certain demand on them. This could either be sex or a relationship, and this feeling of wanting something out of the interaction will always create tension. It doesn't matter what your underlying beliefs are. It's all about is she willing to have sex with you.

Popeoath · 2026-01-22T08:15:15+00:00

Then how are there still non-radical men who can't get laid?

Neptune-Jnr · 2026-01-21T23:55:53+00:00

I disagree. A lot of women will just lump ordinary men with the radicals. A lot of radicalization only happened in the first place because being an ordinary man wasn't enough to please most women these days. I hope we can stop radicalization of men somehow and have a brighter dating market in the future.

TheOneWhoThinketh · 2026-01-22T00:21:12+00:00

Women (more than anything else) can't stand sexism and discrimination

No, women cannot stand feeling demeaned. You can be as sexist and discriminatory as you want as long as the woman feels good about it.

Because he doesn't have to act all macho and portray this non existent made up notion of masculinity

He doesn't have to portray a notion of masculinity that makes him seem mentally feeble and deeply insecure. He still has to portray a notion of masculinity that appeals to women. The problem is that the "average" (in this case meaning blue-pilled, unclear how many men can remain so in modern times) man is either too stupid or too naive to tell the difference, and so interprets showboating and being obnoxiously insecure as "masculinity", causing him to reject masculinity as a whole due to his failure to understand that low-testosterone behavior is not and never has been "masculine."

Of course, if women wanted to date women, they would be lesbian. Since the majority of them still want a man, the man will need to act as such. He'll simply have to do so inconspicuously, which is where your premise falls apart. The "average" man is not only not impressive, but also fails to understand that he will have to appear so in order to attract women.

If anything, the radicalization of men disadvantages the average man because merely pointing to a "bad" man and saying, "look, he's worse!" will not make women attracted to him by comparison, but instead cause women to generalize all men as capable of the same attitudes that the "bad" man is displaying. If the women in question that are judging the man are truly accurate judges of character, then they will not need to compare the man to others who are worse than him in order to assess his value, and doing so will not increase their attraction towards him.

wtknight · 2026-01-22T00:09:09+00:00

Women are just thinking every man is secretly a misogynist, or that they only want sex, even "average men". Misandry is growing in response to misogyny because women aren't any better of people than men are and are just one chromosome away from being Andrew Tate supporters themselves. Young women are instead just going their own way or exploring their bisexuality. The best thing that a man can probably do who isn't a misogynist is find a country where the women don't already hate men just for existing.

WanabeInflatable · 2026-01-22T05:23:06+00:00

This doesn't really matter as women are less interested in relationships now, women don't need to settle to average not sexist guy, as they can be single and OK. Unless he is also attractive and or wealthy just not being sexist is not enough.

Men who expect relationships just because they are not sexist are typically called niceguys

miami2881 · 2026-01-22T01:54:20+00:00

Sure, as we all know, women love the nice guy.

nightcall379 · 2026-01-21T23:59:13+00:00

women (more than anything else) can’t stand sexism and discrimination, and so they wouldn’t mind settling for an average guy who isn’t trying to bring outdated aspects of romantic relationships back into the mainstream again.

The key word here is settling

In other words, she won't love him

She won't be as sexually attracted to him as she was to the 6.4 male model tier guy for whom she bent over 10 mins after meeting him

She won't be as content with him financially, as she was with the millionaire who she slept with in the past

And the guy will just be some pathetic OofyDoofy who is ok with being settled for in a loveless, humiliating, exploitative, and abusive relationship that will inevitably end with her cheating on him and/or divorce "graping" him

If that's enough to make you content, go for it

DriverInitial8305 · 2026-01-22T01:16:10+00:00

Yeah honestly if you’re a normal adjusted man you take a big step ahead over all the insane weirdos out there who use black pill rhetoric on a day to day basis

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Debetrius180 · 2026-01-22T03:57:14+00:00

Man this is so true, there were so many socially inept dudes in college that it just all felt too easy.

Icy_Cauliflower6482 · 2026-01-22T05:11:29+00:00

People need to date other people organically. None of my long term relationships were from meeting someone on an app, they were from building chemistry with real people in real life and I promise you I’m no Sydney Sweeney. I prefer to share my life with a man who respects me and sees me as a whole person as well as values my intellect. I never gave a rat’s ass about looks. Long term relationships are about loving and respecting someone for far deeper reasons than their ability to play a role or look a certain way. The idea that all I had to offer in life is looks, submissiveness and motherhood really messed with my psychology, luckily I met a man organically who has helped me see i’m obviously much more than that. And he’s a feminist.

The internet has really screwed people’s minds up to the point where we don’t even understand how to know ourselves anymore, let alone understand how to properly respect other people. You don’t have to conform to an ideological standard of looks and behaviour. You can just be a decent person who treats everyone with respect and you’ll end up in a better place, so long as you don’t feel entitled to certain outcomes.

capsaicinintheeyes · 2026-01-22T07:09:28+00:00

I get that I'm an outlier on this, but: any way to view that without having to make an account?

CelicnisGhost · 2026-01-22T13:54:07+00:00

This is pure denial by OP cause he can't just hit the gym and learn game. Very delusional.

instead of telling us to put the needs of women on par with everything else

Because that will get you 0 pussy.

a guy who isn’t a tosser and understands that women are people who bleed the same blood as everyone else will be the one to garner leverage from

If it was as you say, TRP would not exist. Guys would just "be themselves" and get women but that ain't happening.

this as the radicals from the manosphere are left wandering around with their tails between their legs.

Honestly at this point I am sure OP is a woman, because anyone that has read and understood TRP sure as hell isn't "wandering around with their tails between their legs."

Nabbzi · 2026-01-22T14:57:15+00:00

Is OP an average guy by any chance?

Adept_Entertainer_16 · 2026-01-22T17:00:07+00:00

With a #polyamory tag?

cromulent_weasel · 2026-01-22T19:50:06+00:00

This “group” often grips men by the balls and tells them they have a solution to why we’re struggling in dating and instead of telling us to put the needs of women on par with everything else they tell you to disregard all of that and compete with women to control them some how, because women seek a leader to follow etc. etc.

This is true, but it's also true that a great filter for a prospective girlfriend is what she thinks about the 'man vs bear' debate. My current girlfriend does a LOT of hiking, and doesn't think twice about passing a man as she's walking. A bear on the other hand...... It was wild to BOTH of us that some women would credibly argue in favour of the bear.

Melodic_Structure928 · 2026-01-22T21:06:33+00:00

where do blue pillers get this nonsensical idea that only misogynists who’ve never even heard of the concept of a shower are incels?

The reality is that most of those guys are either to ugly low on social status, or just plane unlucky. Blue pill still has no answer to the question of why are there leftists feminists incels at all if only criteria that women ever judge a men on are to be nice and clean.

how the fuck was there ever a male loneliness epidemic ever a thing if the average guy was in high demand?Why do attractive and/or high status men who treat women like shit seemingly never lacking in options? All question conveniently skipped over by blue pillers.

this is very much a cart before the horse situation for a good majority of these men. It’s they probably became More misogynistic after being blue pilled didn't work if anything. And by the way not all of them are cause as I pointed out being a misogynist in and of itself has very little affect on inceldom, not compared to looks and status that is.

So then after what they where told to be didn’t get them a girlfriend, they then seek out other answers that may work for them it’s not just they woke up and become tates biggest supporters and started hating women just for shits and giggles i guess. Again cart before horse, theres and order to these things.

Intelligent-Insight · 2026-01-22T22:42:22+00:00

Yeah no this guy is out of touch. Chadfishing experiments proved him wrong long time ago. Women are attracted to good looking men even if they are pedofile nazis.

His bs argument that he saw 6 with hot women is canceled by me and many other men seeing 6 go without sex or any attention from women for years.

LifePepper714 · 2026-01-22T00:36:48+00:00

but women (more than anything else) can’t stand sexism and discrimination, and so they wouldn’t mind settling for an average guy who isn’t trying to bring outdated aspects of romantic relationships back into the mainstream again.

They aren't going to listen to you but I follow Kyle and yeah, this has been something I noticed. There are enterprising (lol) smart men who I noticed has been benefiting substantially from NOT being some icky Red Piller.

Now that more women are being looked down upon by other women for staying with guys that read as part of the manosphere or the Right, I noticed average men and Chad-lites alike cleaning up with attention from being on "our side" but in plausible ways.

I'm seeing how women are heavily rewarding these men with flirting and attention for consistently presenting in this "healthy masculinity" coded way.

It will probably piss some incels off because they will likely conflate this to "nice guy" behavior when that isn't what it is.

I can confirm: I find coherent, fair men attractive especially when I'm not having to deal with the casual assault of misogyny as a standard for discussion.

I think I've grown more sensitive to it. I just don't want to be around men like that so I tend to write men off if I think they dabble in, or are drawn to red pill or manosphere content.

I figure it's a type of psychological profile I find mentally weak and therefore unsafe. Guys who can’t reason, are easily radicalized, and parrot bad takes about women just come off as unstable and unsafe.

Whereas guys who read as safe for us to be around, but also straight and masculine, immediately enjoy a kind of halo effect.

Men radically underestimate how much their making us feel safe influences attraction for some of us.

Based on the activity I've seen in the past few weeks, because (I find this hilarious) smart men home in on anything that might get them sexual access and female validation ..they are making a visible effort.

Just a few but enough to notice a trend. It's nice. It's relief. I see some building not only dating lives but social capital and even money from being these figures so many women want and men at large fail to deliver. So until it's the next hot trend and con, OP I think you're correct.

Aegean_lord · 2026-01-22T04:25:00+00:00

I actually saw that exact tt and saw this lady commenting on how a dude she has a crush on is a solid 4 at best. If I ever found out a woman who liked me thought I was genuinely sub5 in attractiveness I wouldn’t entertain that in any capacity whatsoever.

Weirdly they don’t seem to see anything wrong with it, all while if a guy said the same thing he’d be practically skewered

mashedturnip · 2026-01-22T00:28:27+00:00

Average men can be sexist, lazy, immature, unmotivated, misogynist, bigoted, etc.

Most men voted for Trump, after all, especially the younger ones

Superannuated_punk · 2026-01-22T01:14:28+00:00

I have zoomer apprentices.

These are normal-looking, friendly young guys with regular interests, a normal group of friends and stupid haircuts and/or facial hair.

They all have girlfriends. Their friends all have girlfriends. They’re not drowning in the pussy, but none of them struggle unduly to meet women and form relationships.

Much as I hesitate to say that the abject lack of dating success in the radicalised terp community is a skill issue - it’s a fucken skill issue.

tres_ecstuffuan · 2026-01-22T05:32:00+00:00

Yeah. Frankly a lot of redpill incel types just shoot them selves in the foot by being awful.

Hi-Road · 2026-01-22T01:22:38+00:00

I guess, maybe in the short term sure. But we need the majority of men to be mentally healthy for a healthy society to exist. Not radicalized. Like dudes just thinking of having access to more women. Great.

What about the rest of society, it's gonna be a literal hellhole. What about our women friends and family? Daughters? Wouldn't you want them to be engage with healthy men and not worry about dudes with a chip on their shoulder at best?

This is how you end up in weird ass ethno-religious states

psymeariver · 2026-01-22T06:53:14+00:00

Nope…you’re either feminist or you’re not.

catsdontswear · 2026-01-22T01:52:00+00:00

Whereas guys who read as safe for us to be around, but also straight and masculine, immediately enjoy a kind of halo effect.

The tall-men-are-wonderful effect

I_DOM_UR_PATRIARCHY · 2026-01-22T06:36:42+00:00

You know someone is really high when they begin their own post with

Yeah this is definitely true and only makes more sense as time goes on

Adam_Faith_No_More · 2026-01-22T09:54:23+00:00

and so they wouldn’t mind settling for an average guy

It's still "settling for" though, as you rightly point out yourself. And that's just not an attractive proposition for a guy. Because we know how women treat men who are objects of their desire Vs. men who aren't. As a guy, you're better off being single, than being someone safe but unsexy option. Because all you're going to get out of it is lots of nagging, lots of disrespect, lots of control, and very little sex.

Former-Community5818 · 2026-01-23T00:42:51+00:00

Idk man women seem to be returning to dating within their own sex 🤷🏻‍♂️

Former-Community5818 · 2026-01-23T00:59:18+00:00

Lmao guy in the clip is the most performative guy. Hes the equivalence of “im not like the other girls, im quirky” pickme

wtknight · 2026-01-23T01:52:59+00:00

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Title	Average Men are Definitely Benefiting from Men Being Radicalised.
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Date	January 21, 2026 11:46 PM UTC (6 months ago)
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