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I wish there was a movemen among men and women that said men are not their job nor is their success with dating based solely on things they can control nor is it a judement on their character.

The problem with creating a more positive male movement, women would have to agree that often times, people in their gender are not attracted to good men for shallow reasons.

The issue with that is somehow women will conflate that to mean that women shoudl date men they are not attracted to. Which is untrue and at times feels like a red herring.

Men readily accept their mistakes in society and their flaws as a gender, but women seem to act like gun control activist who say ceding any ground is to lose all future power.

And as a result the only places men can go for support are places that have anger toward women.

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Well there must be a reason why you dated them right?

Yes, because I really liked them. One of them I dated for just about three years and loved dearly. At the time I thought he'd be the man I'd marry. He was incredibly funny and very artistic. I thought his art made him very attractive. He could draw/paint anything. When we were dating he made like 8 bucks an hour working at an art supply store. I was making 15. So it wasn't money that drew him to me.

We'd go for long drives and just sing our lungs out (terribly I might add). He was was a bit of hippy, way too laid back, but also very charming and genuinely one of the most compassionate men I've ever met. I liked him because our morals and goals were the same. Loved him because, well, it was kind of impossible not to.

you were esentially blueballing them for the entire duration of the relationship

Wouldn't that imply I wasn't having sex with them? Because I was, and frequently.

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Well there must be a reason why you dated them right?

Yes, because I really liked them. One of them I dated for just about three years and loved dearly. At the time I thought he'd be the man I'd marry. He was incredibly funny and very artistic. I thought his art made him very attractive. He could draw/paint anything. When we were dating he made like 8 bucks an hour working at an art supply store. I was making 15. So it wasn't money that drew him to me.

We'd go for long drives and just sing our lungs out (terribly I might add). He was was a bit of hippy, way too laid back, but also very charming and genuinely one of the most compassionate men I've ever met. I liked him because our morals and goals were the same. Loved him because, well, it was kind of impossible not to.

you were esentially blueballing them for the entire duration of the relationship

Wouldn't that imply I wasn't having sex with them? Because I was, and frequently.

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Am I doing something wrong?

Hey ladies.

So I 24(F) live with my HVM (27M). Yesterday it was his birthday and once again I got him nothing (dont buy gifts for men, it makes them entitled). He was quite upset and asked why he has to do everything in our relationship. I responded that the HVFs in r/femaledatingstrategy told me that women should not have to put any effort into the relationship. That's a mans job.

I then told him to suck it up and give me money. He said no. I punched him a few times and broke his nose (beating your partner is a good way to keep him high value). He pushed me back so I called the police. I then used another FDS level up tactic and accused him of sexual assault. He is now in jail.

I told my family about this. My FDS sisters agreed with me. They said I should have beat him further. But my mother said that I was wrong and that ill ruin his life. I told her she was a pick me lvf and to stfu. But now I might get charged for assault and I'm worried. Did I do the right thing ladies?

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Still not sympathetic.

You don't have to be.

Government overstepping? I had to get the MMR vaccine before kindergarten, Hep A before my first restaurant job,

Yes those viruses are known to have serious to fatal results for people who get them. COVID? Not even a good comparison. Only the old, the sick and those already with compromised health are at risk. Young, healthy people are not.

and one of my current employers requires the flu shot every year

Can understand if maybe you work with the elderly, but I don't see the need or the point otherwise. Plus the flu vaccine has been around long enough to gain a track record. The COVID vaccine has not.

I think at this point, the unvaxxed just need to keep to themselves and let the disease run through them.

That's funny considering that those who are vaccinated are still contracting and dying from the disease. You act as though everyone who is vaccinated is immune and safe while everyone else is going to die off from the plague. Talk about weird vengeful fantasies that arent that much in line with reality.

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You don't have to be.

Then the unvaxxed need to stop parading their deaths as tragedies. Did you hear about the GOP official from Texas? He mocked the vaccine just days before dying of the virus, and his wife had the audacity to set up a GoFundMe. I really cannot think of anything more pathetic, although I genuinely hope all the unvaxxed follow in his footsteps.

Not even a good comparison. Only the old, the sick and those already with compromised health are at risk. Young, healthy people are not.

So... you don't care about those people?

That's funny considering that those who are vaccinated are still contracting and dying from the disease. You act as though everyone who is vaccinated is immune and safe while everyone else is going to die off from the plague. Talk about weird vengeful fantasies that arent that much in line with reality.

No, my position is that the virus has less of a chance of spreading around a heavily vaccinated population, and that ultimately the unvaxxed are saying that they just don't care about public health. They forget that even if they might survive, they could easily pass it to someone who won't, and as far as I'm concerned, they're liable for those deaths.

Why would I want someone like that in my community? For the same reasons I don't want to be around people who don't wash their hands or cover their mouths when they sneeze. I see it as basic human decency, and the unvaxxed lack it.

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Then the unvaxxed need to stop parading their deaths as tragedies.

Why? Just because you're not sympathetic doesn't mean other people aren't or can't be. Idk if you still think this virus came from someone's bat soup or not but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore, and if this virus was manufactured and "escaped" from the place it was created, then people have reason to be upset that their family members died.

Did you hear about the GOP official from Texas? He mocked the vaccine just days before dying of the virus, and his wife had the audacity to set up a GoFundMe.

Didn't hear about that.

I really cannot think of anything more pathetic, although I genuinely hope all the unvaxxed follow in his footsteps.

Yes, be the example for your group unironically. You're just as much a caricature as they are.

So... you don't care about those people?

They're the ones that should be getting vaccinated.

No, my position is that the virus has less of a chance of spreading around a heavily vaccinated population, and that ultimately the unvaxxed are saying that they just don't care about public health.

"Public health" is only a thing for STDs and STD prevention, not personal health and bodily integrity. You want the vax? Go get it. Someone else doesn't want the vax? Fine. This virus isn't smallpox, aids or the plague so people need to stop acting like it is just because they're afraid.

They forget that even if they might survive, they could easily pass it to someone who won't, and as far as I'm concerned, they're liable for those deaths.

Oh, so are those who get vaccinated and spread it liable for deaths too, or are you just assuming that only the unvaccinated are spreading anything around? Can't have "rules for thee not for me" here just because you think you're on some high horse after being vaccinated.

Why would I want someone like that in my community? For the same reasons I don't want to be around people who don't wash their hands or cover their mouths when they sneeze. I see it as basic human decency, and the unvaxxed lack it.

Pfft. Get off your high horse. You're not better than other people just because you got the vaccine.

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Again, you can spin it however you like.

You as well. You're still the one with mostly emotion and feelings-based arguments backing up your stance.

And yes, given your ignorance of public health, I do think whatever you claim your issues are are invalidated.

I haven't said much of anything on "public health" because its not very relevant here with COVID. Your idea is vaccination. Mine is whatever seems good enough and what I personally need. You, however, have not provided anything so you have yet to validate anything at all other than "vaccine good, no vaccine bad."

The more you say it's only about not being scared, the weaker I think you are.

I mean I really don't need to prove anything to you of all people, but I'm fine. You're the one placing your faith in something you don't have much information on.

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An Ohio farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat to feed animals on his own farm. The US government had established limits on wheat production, based on the acreage owned by a farmer, to stabilize wheat prices and supplies. Filburn grew more than was permitted and so was ordered to pay a penalty. In response, he said that because his wheat was not sold, it could not be regulated as commerce, let alone "interstate" commerce (described in the Constitution as "Commerce... among the several states"). The Supreme Court disagreed: "Whether the subject of the regulation in question was 'production', 'consumption', or 'marketing' is, therefore, not material for purposes of deciding the question of federal power before us.... But even if appellee's activity be local and though it may not be regarded as commerce, it may still, whatever its nature, be reached by Congress if it exerts a substantial economic effect on interstate commerce and this irrespective of whether such effect is what might at some earlier time have been defined as 'direct' or 'indirect.'"

Wickard v. Filburn

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Probably yeah. Ideally I would be a lesbian tho.

I'd not want a female wired brain even if I maintained my IQ.

I'm nothing special in the IQ department and I'm already more anxious and neurotic than what is typical for a man so I don't think switching would be as much of a change for me.

I really like being a man myself

IIRC you're above average on most important aspects men are judged by so for you it makes sense to stay. My opinion is essentially that being a genetically gifted guy is great possibly the best thing you can be but its probably better to be a genetically average or below average woman over being a genetically average/below average man.

even if women can get laid easier and marry up.

They also have an easier time making friends, garnering sympathy/support and manipulating others.

They also live longer and seem to have better orgasms.

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So I've been watching the old seasons of the Simpsons, and that episode in which Lisa was worried she was going to become stupid stuck with me.

In it, it's revealed Homer and Bart once performed quite well academically, being quite brilliant their own selves, but became dumber with time. They suggest that it's just genetic, but thinking about it, Homer and Bart are both victims of parental abuse and bullying from their peers, likely extensively traumatized, as well as inheritors of cultures of male anti-intellectualism.

The deeper message seems to be less that men are naturally stupid and more that we need to do less to sabotage our sons and more to foster their intellectual advancement. It's a very Liberal message, in that it stresses that the problem is incorrect education, but it's one that's agreeable enough, even if the general attitude of the early Simpson's towards men is largely a trite critique of toxic masculinity and patriarchy.

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I understand the importance of a income and education in Asian culture, and I understand why she may be so quick to criticize him because she seems to be on her way to a PHD, but I still don’t think it makes up for how he’s reflected to her. It just sounds sad and entitled. It’s not that she deserves someone like her ex again for being ungrateful, but if she’s at the point of constantly posting questions and criticisms about her boyfriend - either leave or be grateful that what you have is the best that you’ve ever had.

We can say that Korea produces all these images of hot, petite pale women. What she’s saying is if a man were to have been cheated on by an overweight, lying long term girlfriend - but now that he has a career-oriented, dedicated girlfriend who maybe isn’t as conventionally attractive, he’s still whining.

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so you’re telling me you never creeped on anyone ever?

No. The closest I got wasn’t for creeping at all - my ex and I had our location services shared on our iPhones, and I’d take a look to see how far from home he was on his commute so I could have dinner coming off the stove when he walked in (he had an hour+ commute, and traffic or an accident could easily push that over 2 hours)

But he knew and didn’t care - I did this with his permission. And I never used it to creep on him when he was out with friends or whatever, and I never looked through his shit. We lived together and shared bank accounts we accessed daily, I’d have found out about funny business long before checking a phone even occurred to me

I wouldn’t want it done to me, it feels like it would be a gross violation

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Child birth isn't that bad? I was torn apart and had to be stitched back together again. Even 9 weeks postpartum things were still a bit swollen and bloody and painful. Then I got an infection from all that which lasted MONTHS. It was fucking agony. Genuinely felt like shards of glass scraping and slicing around up there when I walked. The doctor was horrified by what it looked like. He said the flesh from the inside of my vagina was peeling off. He said it was like an orange peel.

Then from the antibiotics I got a raging yeast infection that also lasted months and took about a billion rounds of topical and oral antifungals to get rid of.

On top of all that I had raging postpartum depression... Yeah, birth isn't that bad.... Sure.

Also, I've had abdominal surgery to remove a tumor. Didn't take 6 months to heal. But it did take a couple months for sex to be possible. Well, possible isn't the right word. Enjoyable and without excruciating pain.

As for illnesses that impact one's sex life. I have ic/painful bladder syndrome. A little info:

Interstitial cystitis (IC)/bladder pain syndrome (BPS) is a debilitating disease characterized with urgency, frequency, and pelvic pain affecting especially women. Sexual dysfunction in female patients with IC/BPS consists of dyspareunia, altered sexual desire and orgasm frequency and insufficient lubrication is reported to negatively affect the patient's quality of life.

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This is a beautiful concept to me, I just recognize the world is full of truly selfish people who will take this for granted and drag their partner through a one sided situation for far too long. I understand people get comfortable and can forget but that's different from what I mean

That said, I really enjoying showing love and support. I pay attention to little things and enjoy what generous spirit brings so this with reciprocity would be my personal answer. He doesn't need to value the same exact things I do. I just see to it that I mind the things he cares and and he minds the things I care about.

The reason it's so ugly to think of serving one's partner is bc a certain side expects indentured servitude while disrespecting their partners contributions so much so that its a cultural expectation. It's make it illogical to choose. But if you're with a partner who really appreciates you, for example, making amazing meals (which I really enjoy doing) and doesn't try to tit for tat you all day, this works pretty well.

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I saw an interesting video which said marriage is not about your happiness or what you need/want. Marriage is instead about 100% serving another person.

My question is - how should the man serve the woman in a marriage, and how should the woman serve the man in a marriage?

This reminds me of the ol' RPW saying, "Marriage isn't about pulling something out of the box, it's about what you can put into the box". As for what a man or woman can put into the box? It depends on the terms upon which the relationship was built to begin with. I think your fighting an uphill battle if you try to change the dynamics of an established relationship.

As for what my H brings to the relationship? Financial stability, future time orientation, humor, traditional "man chores" like taking out the garbage and stuff, and an awesome media collection. I bring to the table spontaneity and fun, humor, present time orientation, cooking/cleaning, maintaining the social calender, and aesthetics/style.

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It's creates your algorithm based on your likes, I think. My fyp is full of interesting weirdos. I just opened it to check to see if I have the same problem as you since I've never noticed. First vid was literally a chubby average man with long hair. 3.5 mil views. 770k hearts.

Second was a skinny weird looking Asian dude tapping a post Malone parody. 1.2m hearts

Third was a chubby flamboyant average looking dude trying to befriend a crow 840k hearts

Fourth. Bernese mountain dogs. One was a puppy 5.2m hearts

Fifth. Goth dad jokes. Fem goth looking guy with pointy teeth. 44.5 k hearts

Sixth. North tower collapsing 1.6m hearts

Seventh. Chubby average looking dude talking about the ridiculousness of straight pride

Eighth. Here's a buff tatted pretty boy Chad with 192k hearts. He's angrily yelling some seemingly good dating advice at women.

Ninth. Funny Chubby mom with frizzy hair. Average looking. 1.1m hearts

Tenth. Old cruella deville looking woman talking about skin care 870k hearts

Eleventh. Chubby mom, purple hair, average looking 150k hearts

Thirteen. Skinny Baby Chad talking about biggest penis sizes around the world 2.1m

Fourteenth . Chubby person. Average looking. Genuinely can't tell if they're a guy or girl. Their voice could be either. 934k hearts.

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Some truths for the men of PPD:

no, women are NOT only attracted to Chad/a tiny portion of men. They are not attracted to YOU. Learn the difference, once and for all.
you need to come to terms with the fact that female sexuality is not and will not ever be the same as male sexuality. If you can’t (and most of you can’t) you’d be wise to spare yourself and go monk. Demonizing female sexuality isn’t getting you any closer to getting laid.
yes, women have always been judged by ALL men on their looks. To suggest that unattractive men are somehow immune to the male sex drive is is beyond hilarious. The ugliest men in the world get some money and buy themselves models, do they not?
re the above, if you’re suggesting that LV men — who by nature want the same Stacies as Chad — settle for unattractive women because that’s all they can get, stop trying to convince us this makes men virtuous while simultaneously trying to convince us that women are settling for men who aren’t Chad but that makes them baaaaaaaaaaad people.
yes, YOU have a problem. You do. And the problem is yours to fix. All the bitching and moaning in the world, all the shots at women on this sub will not EVER change the fact that if you want sex, if you want to date, if you want to get married and have a family, it is on YOU to make that happen for yourself. The world doesn’t owe you a GD thing when it comes to satisfying your sexual urges.

In your heart of hearts, you know every word I just said is true. Hating me doesn’t make it not true.

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no, women are NOT only attracted to Chad/a tiny portion of men. They are not attracted to YOU. Learn the difference, once and for all.

That hasn't been my experience. A few times with a woman I was dating, I sat people watching and we each would say when a person walked by we found attractive based on their appearance.

To be sure, we would both eliminate people who were very old or very young, people who were overweight, etc., but even after that I've always been surprised what a tiny percentage of men were found appealing by women.

One of the women I did this with was engaged at the time to another man, and I pointed out to her that she was rejecting men who were better looking than her fiance. She admitted to me that she didn't find her fiance attractive.

My current girlfriends admitted to me that even though they're both straight, they both find a higher percentage of women sexually attractive than men. That they would rather be physically intimate with a random woman than a random man.

Of course, all this is confirmed by scientific research:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.07867v1.pdf

In this article, the researchers discuss the efforts they made to put together a program which rates peoples' attractiveness. In order to create a training set for the AI, they had men and women rate the attractiveness of women and men. They were surprised by the discrepancy between male ratings of female and vice versa:

nterestingly, 44.81% of the male ratings are positive, while only 8.58% of the fe-male ratings are positive. Due to this strong bias of ratings by women, we only predict the ratings of men.

In other words, the men found roughly half the women to be attractive and half to be unattractive. The women found less than 10% of the men to be attractive and more than 90% to be unattractive.

The undeniable fact is that MOST women find MOST men to be unattractive. And this fact explains a lot of the problems people of both sexes face in relationships. The high rate at which women file divorce; the high rate of single motherhood; the difficulty men of mediocre attractiveness have in getting relationships; women's constant complaints about a "man shortage" when in reality there are far more single men than single women; etc. It all makes sense.

The only problem is that this fact is not flattering to women so our gynocentric society is constantly trying to gaslight average men into thinking that their relationship problems are because something is wrong with men.

And by the way, if you think I'm making this up about straight women preferring other women, it's easy enough to test with a couples' personal ad on a dating site. Instead of making a Chadfish account, make a couples' ad with your picture and the picture of an average looking woman in your age range. Say that you both want to bring another woman into the relationship and see what kind of response you get.

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Again what you’re doing is taking female sexuality and putting it through the framework of male sexuality so you can blame women for being “too picky.”

Seems like you like scientific “research.” Let’s break down the science.

How would it benefit the human species for womens sex drive to function the same way as mens? Serious question I hope you will address.

Women do not have a drive to fuck/reproduce with as many men as possible. Do we really need to have a conversation about why this is?

That does not mean however that women are not attracted to “most” men simply because they don’t want to fuck them instantly.

Wanting to fuck just because a fuck happens to be available may be the way male sexuality functions but it is not how female sexuality functions and it never will be. That is NOT the measure of attraction.

Are you seriously trying to lecture me on female sexuality like you understand it better than me?

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How would it benefit the human species for womens sex drive to function the same way as mens? Serious question I hope you will address.

I'm not sure what the long term genetic effects would be, but it would be tremendously beneficial for society if a woman of average desirability could be attracted to a man of average desirability in the same way that a man of average desirability can be attracted to a woman of average desirability.

Because in that case, it would be much easier for people to pair off into long-term monogamous relationships with someone of roughly equal desirability. You would have far more marriages where both parties find the other party sexually attractive. Meaning that you would have far more good marriages and far fewer divorces.

Are you seriously trying to lecture me on female sexuality like you understand it better than me?

More or less. The scientific research shows that you are wrong. Apparently you are a woman, but your beliefs about female sexuality are apparently colored by your own in-group bias. In other words, like most women you have difficulty accepting facts which are not flattering to women.

no, women are NOT only attracted to Chad/a tiny portion of men. They are not attracted to YOU.

In the study I linked to women found less than 10% of men attractive. By contrast, men found roughly half of women to be attractive. What's important is that this is not a study which set to measure differences between men and women. The result was a side effect of something else.

Strong evidence that you are dead wrong.

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but it would be tremendously beneficial for society if a woman of average desirability could be attracted to a man of average desirability in the same way that a man of average desirability can be attracted to a woman of average desirability.

Who says they aren't?

Because women don't want to fuck every man instantly?

Because women don't want to approach every man she finds attractive? Does it not occur to you that there is a reason women don't so this that has nothing to do with your belief that our sexuality is defective?

Do you not see average looksmatched cuoples IRL every single day? If not, I find that hard to believe.

You would have far more marriages where both parties find the other party sexually attractive.

Do you think this isn't the case in the beginning? There is a lot to relationships and aging that you don't seem to understand and I will jsut assume its because you are very young.

The scientific research shows that you are wrong.

What specifically am I wrong about?

Apparently you are a woman, but your beliefs about female sexuality are apparently colored by your own in-group bias. In other words, like most women you have difficulty accepting facts which are not flattering to women.

Yes that's very convenient isn't it? "Your experience as a woman doesn't ilne up with what I believe as a man so therefore you're just lying."

In the study I linked to women found less than 10% of men attractive.

OK Cupid? (As if there were any other option).

Once agin, women are not driven by a sex drive that has programmmed to fuck becayse fucking is available to them. Women do not look a pictures of average dudes and think "he;s hot I want to fuck him." Average dude in real life presents himself as charming and confident and playful and flirting and he's attractive.

Strong evidence that you are dead wrong.

Your beliefs are not strong evidence.

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Because women don't want to fuck every man instantly?

Because women find 80-90% of men unattractive, that's why.

If you want to put it in terms of "instant fuck," I would describe it like this: If a woman wants to "instant fuck" only the top 10% of men, and she's married to a man who's not anywhere near the "instant fuck" category, it's very likely to cause a lot of problems in the relationship.

Do you think this isn't the case in the beginning?

Correct. I think there are a lot of couples where the woman was NEVER sexually attracted to the man.

What specifically am I wrong about?

This:

no, women are NOT only attracted to Chad/a tiny portion of men. They are not attracted to YOU.

Yes that's very convenient isn't it? "Your experience as a woman doesn't ilne up with what I believe as a man so therefore you're just lying."

Lol, that's an interesting strawman. Anyway, you're the one who's claiming some kind of special expertise about female sexuality simply due to your being female. The fact is that women have strong in-group bias.

OK Cupid? (As if there were any other option).

Lol, you didn't even look at the study I linked to.

Your beliefs are not strong evidence.

No, but my beliefs are based on strong evidence. Your beliefs are based on self-serving in-group bias.

I challenge you to make 3 generalizations about female nature which put women in a negative light compared to men.

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Not wanting to fuck lots of men instantly does not equal not being attracted to aman. For fucks sake what more can I say to make you understand that Female. Sexuality. Is. Not. The. Same. As. Male. Sexuality. ????

Anyway, you're the one who's claiming some kind of special expertise about female sexuality simply due to your being female

Yeah, imagine that.

I challenge you to make 3 generalizations about female nature which put women in a negative light compared to men

Women (as a group) are cattier in their friendships with women than men are in their friendships with men.
Women (as a group) are hypocritical about the expecation of men paying for dates thing while wanting equality in everything else.
Women (as a group) have some hypocritical notions about male sexuailty too - like cutting off the sex but then getting mad if he's watching porn.

Welp, that was easy.

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I care about having enjoyable sex and satisfying relationships. I do not care about “women looking good.”

And yet it clearly bothers you that women find the vast majority of men unattractive. To the point where you deny it in the face of strong evidence.

And even if it were true that women don’t and will never find most men attractive, how is that “unflattering?”

Because it lends credence to the observation that generally speaking, women are unreasonably picky in the sense of not being satisfied with a man at their own level of desirability.

Do women have some moral obligation to find a certain percentage of men attractive?

Of course not, but they do have a moral obligation to be honest about the situation. If a man who is on the low end of the looks scale despite efforts to improve himself is struggling to find a woman who is genuinely attracted to him, generally speaking it's much more the result of female pickiness as opposed to some kind of moral failing on his part.

And yet if a man in that situation complains about his lack of success and wonders if perhaps the problem is that women at his level are being unreasonably picky, what kind of response can he expect? Usually it's something along these lines:

no, women are NOT only attracted to Chad/a tiny portion of men. They are not attracted to YOU.

That sort of gaslighting is immoral.

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They're not attracted to me. But I've noticed a distinct archetype of commonly shared features among men that do have easy success with women, with the rest of men struggling to various degrees.

Even our genitals are variations of the same organ structures. I have seen no reason to suggest women's sexuality is in any way fundamentally different (there are differences, but they're ones of degree and priority) from men's, and the science that takes a hard look at it seems to find much the same.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. We've been trying to wade through a morass of built-up mythology surrounding female sexuality that tries to paint it as less superficial.

The distinction is that these women will generally be more valued and receive more of what they want from their steady partners than the man's casual partners, whereas men are concerned the inverse is true for women. Men having casual sex are often dumpster diving, women doing so are often shooting for the moon.

That's true enough, but neither do we owe the world a god-damn thing.

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But I've noticed a distinct archetype of commonly shared features among men that do have easy success with women

And how it is any different for women?

with the rest of men struggling to various degrees.

If “struggling” means not living Dan Bilzerians life, sure.

Even our genitals are variations of the same organ structures.

Huh? You’re joking right?

I have seen no reason to suggest female is in any way fundamentally different (there are differences, but they're ones of degree and priority) from mens, and the science that takes a hard look at it seems to find much the same.

So men have ovaries and a uterus and birth children then? TIL

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

Yes I know you don’t. Which is my point.

The distinction is that these women will generally be more valued and receive more of what they want from their steady partners than the man's casual partners, whereas men are concerned the inverse is true for women.

Total projection.

Men having casual sex are often dumpster diving,

And?

women doing so are often shooting for the moon.

People having so called casual sex aren’t thinking about it this deeply. They’re having sex because they want to. The only people analyzing it to death are people not having it.

You’re flipping back and forth between “casual” sex and relationships as if they’re the same thing.

neither do we owe the world a god-damn thing.

Sure.

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Women are significantly less likely to suffer chronic loneliness and an awful uphill struggle in dating for not being it.

Struggling means long dry spells and periods without a partner.

Nope. The male sexual organs are just female sexual organs that changed in-utero.

No, but all the same hormones that produce our thoughts and feelings are the same between genders, just in different quantities and ratios. I haven't seen any convincing evidence of this "reactive sexuality" that women like to tout as though 5'3" balding dudes can make up for it by moving right (as though how someone moves and acts has no role in male sexuality; there's a reason suggestive pictures are never just a limp, dead-eyed starfish).

That's a schoolyard response, I'm sure your mom is proud.

Incorrect. It's been well-established here that "relationship guy" gets less and does more than "casual guy."

And?

It means the wife is more valued.

Most people don't analyze anything deeply, it doesn't change that there's a deeper process at work.

You're not understanding what I'm getting at. Men are upset that the vast majority of us have to put in a Herculean effort to get less, which our casual sex dynamics versus our relationship dynamics serve as an illustrative example of, something women don't have to do, and are utterly fucking unwilling to meet men half-way on. So of course we're going to be displeased, and want to try to be that slim subset of men women make idiots of themselves trying to please, since those are the only men that women actually value in relationships.

Sure

Alright, self-interest and will to power.

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Women are significantly less likely to suffer chronic loneliness and an awful uphill struggle in dating for not being it.

What are you basing this belief on?

Struggling means long dry spells and periods without a partner.

Boo, this is real life. For everyone. For God sake, what is it with people on this sub? The perception of what life is like for normal people is so far off from reality I feel like I'm talking to aliens.

all the same hormones that produce our thoughts and feelings are the same between genders

Christ. Have you ever taken a health or anatomy class?

I haven't seen any convincing evidence of this "reactive sexuality" that women like to tout as though 5'3" balding dudes can make up for it by moving right

The average man is not a 5'3" balding dude. Nice try though.

well-established here that "relationship guy" gets less and does more than "casual guy."

Studies show people in realtionships have more sex than single people. Try again. Married people, it shocks nearly all married people to learn, have more sex than single people of the same age.

[Men are upset that the vast majority of us have to put in a Herculean effort to get less]

What's "less?" And if you're getting less from the person you're with, perhaps you need to find someone who will give you more. That's how adult relatinoships work.

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The fact every study we have on the subject shows men more likely to be single and sexless, which corroborates my experience.

Women in my observation only spend long periods of time single if they want to or they have a significant impediment; for men the only impediment needed is not being it and things only get worse from there.

Yes. There aren't, as far as I remember, any neurological compounds unique to women.

You evidently don't know what hyperbole is.

Not all sex is equal. Fuckboys also don't have to walk on eggshells to keep a "happy wife, happy life" and avoid "sleeping in the doghouse."

Less is getting a partner who has little desire to please you and knows how easily they can replace you. Increasing our standards as men results only in us being alone. No, I think it's in men's interests to struggle against the norms that have empowered women to act like this. Especially since they're the pet project of a handful of subversive deviants and the elites that have benefitted from using them as a wedge to protect their power.

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Yes, I think most people are aware that some guys get more sex than other men. That’s never really been a secret. However, when a small percentage of men experience a dramatic 30% increase of sexual partners in just 10 years, I think that’s worth being discussed.

My comment was not written to imply that there was crisis. However, I would not be surprised if this growing trend has unintended consequences for the next generation.

Also, do you really believe that what’s holding most men back from being highly sought after is mindset? Most guys are hard capped on how attractive they can be based on genetics and environment. Aside from one being morbidly obese or unbearably unhygienic, where most guys fall in terms of how physically attractive they are to women is where they’ll probably remain for most of their adult lives. You can argue that they can work harder to become more appealing as a provider, but that’s not really comparable.

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Yes, researchers used data that was collected by the National Survey of Family Growth from 2002 to 2011-2013. What’s interesting is the researchers found that the top 5% and 20% of men had a dramatic increase in sexual partners while the median number of partners for average men stayed the same.

I’ve done by due diligence of reading papers about female sexuality in good faith so I’d say have a fairly decent of understanding of it. Plus, my interactions with women not only online but in real life reinforce what I’ve already read. Physical attractiveness is the strongest predictor of sexual success for men since looks supersede that of personality and money. The things that make men physically attractive are pre-determined by genetics. So with that being said, men can only obtain but a certain level of attractiveness no matter how much work he puts in to change that. Sure all men would benefit to some degree if they worked on trying to be the best version of themselves. But to believe that would place most men in that top 20% is ludicrous.

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https://np.reddit.com/r/dating/comments/oxo5qi/are_tall_women_out_of_luck/

Does anyone else not buy that tall women have a harder time dating because of societal bias? There's literally a whole beauty industry that highlights taller women as the epitome of beauty.

I'm a short guy, so I'm bitter and biased lol. There is virtually nowhere I can look the reinforces a belief that my height is attractive. I can see men that are attractive despite their height, I can see men who's height doesn't seem to factor into their overall attractiveness. I cannot see examples of men who are considered attractive because they are short, or who's short stature is seen as a positive trait.

I'm moving away from the OP of that thread because they say they don't have a height preference, but it seems to me that the trouble taller women have is that they're generally only looking to date a small % of taller men, men who don't have an issue dating shorter women. Men don't approach taller women because they think they're wasting their time (and lets me honest, they largely are), not because they're "intimidated".

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tall women have a "first world problem" kind of dating problems.

Its a relatively small roadblock when comparing the near insurmountable odds men face in the casual dating world. Not to mention, women tend to over exaggerate their dating woes a bit to garner sympathy.

Tall women face like 10% of short men's problems. Probably even less than that. Chads probably won't choose tall women as his first choice because he already has the pick of the litter and he always has (better) options. Its the same choice women make on a near instantaneous basis: hookup with a 6'2 chad with 7.5 inch dick OR a 5'10 average dude with slightly above average dick?

Unless that average dude overcompensates for his "shortcoming", he absolutely has no chance to compete with a guy on the 95% percentile level. Women would rather have heartbreak and abuse from a chad if that's a possibility than from an "average" dude.

Tall women don't want to make an effort just like other women and that's the major source of problem for them. She can't coast through dating life like average women and that annoys them.

Tall woman naturally have preference towards men of similar height because that's where they feel "normal." But short women snatch nearly all the tall men and she ends up looking like a freakshow in the dating marketplace. This is how an average male feels (he usually feels worthless and demoralized) when women of his looksmatch puts him on the read while she goes after top percentile men.

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I think at her height (6'1) she is probably right to feel like she is has a harder time because of her height but I don't think she is as bad off as a short guy.

Basically there is an ideal height range for both genders but the range for men is far more narrow and has a much larger impact our value than it does on theirs. I don't know the exact stats on this but Id say any woman within 2 standard deviations of average female height is unlikely to have her options noticeably affected by her height. For men however we notice a difference/suffer a penalty just for not being over 6ft.

Men don't approach taller women because they think they're wasting their time (and lets me honest, they largely are), not because they're "intimidated".

Overall I would agree. Like I have no issue with a woman being same height or taller in heels but I feel like pursuing one would be a waste of my time in 99% of cases. However for a woman who is noticeably taller barefoot like the 6'1 woman I think it would make me feel intimidated or insecure. Maybe Im just a puss tho 🤷‍♂️

I can see men that are attractive despite their height, I can see men who's height doesn't seem to factor into their overall attractiveness. I cannot see examples of men who are considered attractive because they are short, or who's short stature is seen as a positive trait.

Also I really like how you phrased that and 100% agree. That is one of the more frustrating parts. For women there are men that prefer short, men that prefer medium and men that prefer tall. Same for boobs there is a group of men tbat prefers all sizes. However for us there are essentially no women that prefer non-tall. They will settle for it or be attracted to a guy in spite of him not being tall but average or short stature is never in and of itself considered an attractive or positive trait. Same with dick size, they will settle for or tolerate average or small but virtually never prefer it.

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For women there are men that prefer short, men that prefer medium and men that prefer tall... for us there are essentially no women that prefer non-tall.

Men have substantially higher variability in most traits, if I recall correctly. Men are nature's experiment, whereas women are nature's "if it ain't broke don't fix it" archetype. In any two equal-sized groups of men and women, there's likely to be far more idiots and geniuses in the group of men than in the group of women.

That's the main reason why I find fat women complaining about men not finding fat women attractive to be so exceptionally absurd — and I say this as a thin guy with no real stakes in the matter. There is a demographic of men specifically attracted to fat women. It's a small demographic, but at least it's something. The number of women specifically attracted to fat men is orders of magnitude smaller, and will always remain as such.

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I think there's quite a few things going on.

Taller women do have a harder time. I don't see why we would invalidate their experiences. They just get less attention from men.

but it seems to me that the trouble taller women have is that they're generally only looking to date a small % of taller men, men who don't have an issue dating shorter women.

Not true. My wife is 5ft 10 and dated guys shorter than her in the past.

However. Tall women still don't have the issues short guys do. There is a market for tall women. It's smaller than the market for other women, but it's not as small as the market for short men.

I cannot see examples of men who are considered attractive because they are short, or who's short stature is seen as a positive trait.

This is true. It still doesn't invalidate tall women having a hard time though.

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This is 100% untrue, if women judged men like men judged women in the dating market they would treat men like gay men treat other men. Anddo you know how it feels to deal with gay men in the dating market? It's wonderful.

I literally find 95% of women my age attractive. I'm 5'11", fit, below average face, I have never had a woman interested in me sexually or romantically. I'm dateless: 0 matches on dating apps, no woman has ever approached me or shown any interest in real life etc. Yet I can get attention from gay very easily when I look for it. I tried switching my preference to gay men on dating apps and my match rate was insanely high, 30-40% match rate, the same exact rate as average to above average women on straight OLD so I was being judged the same way straight men judge women. I was shocked, I matched with men of all looks levels, hundreds and hundreds of matches, including hot guys. I received so many cute messages and compliments, I literally never felt so desired. I'd say it's safe to assume that most gay men my age (23) find me physically/sexually attractive, this percentage is close to 0 with women. And this is not just me, this is every average to below average looking straight guy who has tried the gay dating experience. When I tried gay OLD, I literally felt attractive for the first time in my life.

I can't believe there are people who think straight men are being judged like straight women, it's so absurd. Are you a Boomer? Only this would explain your views, people were forced to marry in the past through social shame, this didn't allow people to express their natural sexuality. If I were gay I wouldn't be in this sad situation at all, unfortunately this is what it means to deal with female hypergamy. I thiknk women would take my situation even worse than I do.

Do you think that straight women who have been rejected all their life, have never received any compliment or positive feedback on their desirablity take singlehood well without being sad?

Heck, a lot of (not all) women get sad just by looking at pictures of attractive women on Instagram, on TwoXChromosome there are threads with 20k upvotes from women complaining that men want to date only women who shave their body hair, others get sad just because their partners watch porn, this is nothing compared to having been ejected for all your life. Meawnhile, some men (not all) get rejected all the time, this has a mental toll when rejection is the only thing you have ever known. Personally, as a straight man, sometimes I just go on gay dating apps to experience what it feels to be desired. As you can see, women are judged less harshly than straight men in the dating market in 2021 (I'm not talking abou Boomers) but since they are used to their privilige women get emotional over their little ssues, you are basically accusing men of what women are guilty.

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What I am saying that women's sexual standards are way harsher than those of gay and straight men, the situation is not equal at all. Without artificial barriers like marriage we're seeing female sexual hypergamy at play and it enforces WAY harsher standards than those put on gay men and straight women. It's not that men can't manage to be treated like women, if we were treated like women (basically, like gay men treat each other) we would be very happy about it, probably we would take it way better than straight women do with all their self-esteem problems - in a sense we are emotionally stronger - instead we are facing sexual hypergamy. For example I, for sure, wouldn't be in my tragic dating situation if I were gay and like me every dateless straight man posting here, would we face other problems? Sure, homophobia is disgusting but that's fixable by society.

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Hey you're the one who said that women "wail on men." You and to expect some kind of substantial pushback after that one, no?

I'm stating where my real issue with men is. It isn't in about relationships at all. It is a totally different subject. You've arrived at the point.

Yes, women in some fields of engineering (my field included) are often treated less seriously in the beginning of our careers. Even if our work is taken seriously, men have little to no interest in small talk with us or networking. When men DO strike up a lighthearted conversation, it's often about stupid things like sexual jokes which make women uncomfortable. I will admit that exwcutives are usually more professional than this, but young millennial men and gen Z-ers at my level are not indeed as professional as they really ought to be. And nothing is done about it. This is why I tend to push back on men.

When it comes to dating, women have firmer protections. Men have played their games on us, but we women are 50-51% of the population. We have older women to guide us. We wield enough power to protect ourselves in dating with rare exceptions like age gaps and sex work. I can't say the same for women in engineering. I have to advocate for myself there a bit harder, and I'm even less likely to succeed.

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This is 100% untrue, if women judged men like men judged women in the dating market they would treat men like gay men treat other men. And do know how it feels to deal with gay men in the dating market? It's wonderful.

I literally find 95% of women my age attractive. I'm 5'11", fit, below average face, I have never had a woman interested in me sexually or romantically. I'm dateless: 0 matches on dating apps, no woman has ever approached me or shown any interest in real life etc. Yet I can get attention from gay very easily when I look for it. I tried switching my preference to gay men on dating apps and my match rate was insanely high, 30-40% match rate, the same exact rate as average to above average women on straight OLD so I was being judged the same way straight men judge women. I was shocked, I matched with men of all looks levels, hundreds and hundreds of matches, including hot guys. I received so many cute messages and compliments, I literally never felt so desired. I'd say it's safe to assume that most gay men my age (23) find me physically/sexually attractive, this percentage is close to 0 with women. And this is not just me, this is every average to below average looking straight guy who has tried the gay dating experience. When I tried gay OLD, I literally felt attractive for the first time in my life.

I can't believe there are people who think straight men are being judged like straight women, it's so absurd. Are you a Boomer? Only this would explain your views, people were forced to marry in the past through social shame, this didn't allow people to express their natural sexuality. If I were gay I wouldn't be in this sad situation at all, unfortunately this is what it means to deal with female hypergamy. I thiknk women would take my situation even worse than I do.

Do you think that straight women who have been rejected all their life, have never received any compliment or positive feedback on their desirablity take singlehood well without being sad?

Heck, a lot of (not all) women get sad just by looking at pictures of attractive women on Instagram, on TwoXChromosome there are threads with 20k upvotes from women complaining that men want to date only women who shave their body hair, others get sad just because their partners watch porn, this is nothing compared to having been ejected for all your life. Meawnhile, some men (not all) get rejected all the time, this has a mental toll when rejection is the only thing you have ever known. Personally, as a straight man, sometimes I just go on gay dating apps to experience what it feels to be desired. As you can see, women are judged less harshly than straight men in the dating market in 2021 (I'm not talking abou Boomers) but since they are used to their privilige women get emotional over their little ssues, you are basically accusing men of what women are guilty.

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I had been watching a few video compilations about some stupid shit on TikTok (I normally don't watch TikTok; I was extra bored, okay?)

Let me just say how eye-opening it is. It's like taking a dose of red and black pills with every meal

Dear lord the shit I saw there. I don't understand how anyone could be on that platform and NOT be red and black all over.

That stupid "I don't cook I don't clean Plot Twist" challenge is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. (It shows that what the RP says is true about women being more submissive to a man who they're sexually attracted to, and it further speaks to a BLKP truth about looks being what matters, and the majority of a man's looks determining factors being genetic)

Also, everyone considered attractive there is the exact definition of a Ch4d or a T_r_ne, yet people try to swear that those don't exist or that it doesn't matter.

And people wonder why I don't have it. Because even watching a single compilation is enough to make me jaded. No way in hell am I making an account unless I become some super-hot modelesque guy myself.

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We live in an era where men are heavily devalued.

Women do not need to deal with men or form partnerships with men to get the advantage of men's existence. Men do not just provide with food and money, they also build and maintain any society of any scale: food, water, electricity, infrastructure, shelter...

If a small scale society doesn't provide enough opportunities for men to have sex, wives and families. Men could leave, could go rogue, could revolt, could force marry, ect... Evil or not, these things pressured women to be directly good deals to men, but are no longer active pressures in white countries.

Women can get the benefit of men's existence in society without having to be good deals to men, they can go their own way.

Men cannot get any benefit from women without being good deal to them directly. None of women's work is indirect and impersonal, everytime you need a woman she needs to be there in person and you need to be good to her or she leaves.

There's an intrinsically huge imbalance that devalues men. And I'm not even talking of the fact that women can also compete in male competition.

So by any means. Men, you should use any tool you have to revalue yourself. Date younger women, date poorer women, date foreign women, go fetch them if you need to, go do sexual tourism, use prostitution and market yourself as best as you can to women without feeling guilty because women never do. Do not simp for women, do avoid them at work and avoid treating them like other men, avoid making it easy for them. Because they'll always favor a woman over you.

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This is how I see it:

You have a competition where only 4 people can win.

Women love competition winners.

You have the choice to make this competition male only, out of 10 participants, only 4 male will be winners and will be highly attractive to women.

Or you can make this competition all gender, and out of the 10 male participants and 10 female participants, generally 2 men and 2 women will win. But the 2 women who win don't need to win to attract men.

So that's why, despite men competing against each others, it matters that society values men. If men compete against each others but 80% of men are wanted, that competition isn't so bad. If only 20% Of men are wanted, that competition becomes a problem. So, don't make women independent of men while men are dependent of women, don't allow women to take men's spots at the top of male competition.

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I see where your coming from. Just wondering, what do you think needs to happen to restore male value?

I'm not sure anything is possible, we can't realistically go back to smaller scale societies and go back from globalisation.

But what can be undone is the beta education of men. Men need to be more ruthless and therefore all the gynocentric moral needs to stop. Why do you think young men are being instructed not to approach women and not going for younger women? It's for women's best interest, not to educate "good men". Women's only problem in life is men not filtering themselves out of the dating pool, so they try to educate beta men to stay where they are and not bother women, when they should absolutely bother women and pressure them to deal with them.

I ask because I’m getting vibes that you want to artificially reduce womens ability to financially provide for themselves or to be safe in society— all things that were historically the purpose of the husband.

You talk like men's value wasn't artificially reduced in the first place. The thing that is artificial is society and it provides everything the husband was historically supposed to provide, without having to marry and be a good deal to one.

Men improved society so women would be free to do what they want because they thought women would adapt accordingly. But they never did and that was stupid to expect them to. Women's sexual attraction is still stuck to the idea of a caveman man, without the pressures of necessities. Maybe women do not deserve society as we built it.

Men are the one who are taught to do as much as they can to inhibit their feral sexual attraction and to give a chance to women of all shapes. Women would ever refuse to do that because they'll eternally be convinced they're oppressed for doing so.

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I think young men are being told not to talk to women because you can get arrested for it now. Also, women have expressed over and over that they don’t want men to talk to them.

There are so many accounts from women of all ages doing so much to just avoid men trying to talk to them.

As for men’s value already being artificially reduced as you call it; don’t you consider that men have made themselves obsolete?

Technology is primarily why why are no longer valued the same way they once were and men are responsible for it.

To be fair I doubt they really considered the consequences their increasing technological advancements would hold for men as a group in the long run. But, best believe if they did they wouldn’t care. There’s a reason for this : men don’t care about each other.

These guys who really own and run society and create all this new technology, are doing fine with women. Being at the top means life is good, women left and right— why would they stop because men (their competition) are suffering?

Why would rich men (who really run society) who only get women because they have money, purposefully lower their incomes by agreeing to drop 50% of the workforce and 50%+ of their customers? They wouldn’t. Its every man for himself and the elites aren’t suffering.

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I think young men are being told not to talk to women because you can get arrested for it now.

Nah even when feminism wasn't popular, women burnt from social revolution would already teach their boys to let women do the first move.

don’t you consider that men have made themselves obsolete?

Men aren't obsolete. Men have designed things so women can get benefit from men's existence without dealing with men directly.

Men run all the critical systems in society from top to bottom.

And this isn't much relevant here: but technology can be lost. Our production has been outsourced so much that some white countries no longer have knowledge or competent people to run foundries.

men don’t care about each other.

Well, they do care about everyone in an indirect way, that's why they created technology, so human could live comfortably.

But yes, the top men are doing fine, exploiting both men and women. Using the hope of women to make men obedient. However, there aren't much reason for why they would try to make it worse for men beneath them with women.

First thing french president macron did when starting was making street harassment twice as illegal, because metoo and catcalling.... It's just to get popularity, because everyone loves women more than men. It's not just men at the top, it's everyone.

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It’s not society’s responsibility to “provide” you with a sex, a wife or a family.

Society is here to pressure you to be as much productive as possible and gives you as little as possible back. It's men's duty to pressure society to give more back.

If there are no opportunities in a society, for instance say women as a whole refuse to deal with men, then men should pressure society, and reshape it in a way that pressures women back.

But men who are essential for society can't just nope the fuck out anymore due to globalization and due to the scale society has taken.

It's likely you're not ever going to see it as an abstraction of groups and entities pressuring each others.

It’s that there aren’t enough young men in society anymore acting like men.

There are too much men and women in society that are pressuring young men into not acting like men.* Obviously the older and privileged men, and all the other women, are in favor of the status quo. It's odd you immediately take the opportunity to shit on young men.

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You didn't just mean talking, did you?

Women can get the benefit of men's existence in society without having to be good deals to men, they can go their own way.

Men can go their own way without being a good deal to the mother, nurse and baby sitter who look after them and feed them as children. They can have women teach them most things in school, reap the benefits of a great career and never pay it forward. Men don't have to be good deals to all the health care professionals who keep them healthy after accidents, surgeries and during long term conditions. Elderly people can be very awful to their caregivers.

You can go get your blood sugar tested by a woman, buy diabetes meds from a woman and be told how to administer insulin by another woman and you never have to be particularly good to them or date them.

However, if you do just mean physically talking, well those women benefiting from farming, electricity and water have to pay for it. Which means working. Which means having to talk to male individuals.

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You didn't just mean talking, did you?

Yeah I mean to deal with directly or not.

Men can go their own way without being a good deal to the mother, nurse and baby sitter who look after them and feed them as children.

Mothers in the USA poison their kids with anti-ADHD drugs because they believe behaving like a male kid has to be a mental disease. Hell. Women can literally abort you if they don't want your existence.

The farmer who produced the food your mother feed you with can't decide to fuck you up personally because you behaved wrong to him. Your biological father can't abort you if he doesn't want you. You're entitled to his money.

Do you see the distinction? Everything you need from women you need to deal with women directly and if they don't want of you they can just yeet you, you have lots of pressure to be wanted by women, even your mother. You benefit from men's existence without having to be good to them.

They can have women teach them most things in school, reap the benefits of a great career and never pay it forward.

Lmao teachers are another prime example of having to be good to women directly or they fuck you up. Female teachers are known to not like male kids.

Elderly people can be very awful to their caregivers.

They are, however most elders are women, and caregivers always complain about male elders again.

Meanwhile, that dude who built the caregiving facility doesn't withdraw the facility because the elder is an asshole. The farmer doesn't withdraw the food because the elder is an asshole.

have to pay for it.

I pay taxes so my son's teacher can treat him like shit just because he's a neurotypical boy. I pay my hospital bills so that female doctors can treat me like I am simulating my issue (happened to me recently). Women all around me can treat me like I'm a threat and an annoyance despite I'll pay the services none the less. The electricity company doesn't offer me a poorer service just because I have a dick.

Now, you can easily see how romantic and sexual relationships starts off with women having all pressure power.

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🙄 Your advice is men seek to exploit like the old play book always said but eventually you'll have to realize that the old plays are falling stale. Not every man can or will.

Men are people and as such they do have value too. Perhaps men will have a moment where bitter unsuccessful men stop tricking them into thinking small and leaders encourage them to find their innate worth, grow, be actually likable partners who believe in healthy FAIR cooperation. The same way women had to adjust to men, men will have to adjust too. Learning to be liked for more than a measly paycheck is a good thing, not bad.

So many guys are waiting for approval and respect they will never get with this losing strategy. Maybe it's time the more entitled ones humble themselves and begin to study marginalized communities. Take note on how they work to empower and raise their esteem. Blaming and devaluing women, contempt, and misogyny isn't going to result in the recognition most guys are looking for. This is literally hustling backwards.

Stop letting these pied pipers trick u into thinking being the worst kind of male will ever result in respect. Things could be so much better on a personal level as well as on a macro scale.

Why some men think that being every kind of monster is a better strategy than just healing as people, being more social, and learning to offer value different than money.. the world may never know.

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Why some men think that being every kind of monster is a better strategy than just healing as people, being more social, and learning to offer value different than money

It's because they don't see that option as obtainable and practical, surely you must know that 99% of socially awkward individuals aren't just awkward for no reason, right? You can't get friends if people make conclusions about you just by looking at you, you do know that right? The world we live in is far from being Egalitarian, where I'm from it's a bit better because mine is a more collectivist society and even if it's not completely equal it's still better than how it is over there.

Believe me, I'm not going to be "nice and civil" if I don't get a fair opportunity to work for what I want, I doubt any male human being would.

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Sometimes, you just know.

I recall meeting an elderly couple who had met in Germany at the end of WWII. He had been a soldier and she was a waitress in a cafe. He didn't have ration coupons to purchase food but she thought he was handsome so she served him anyway. A couple of nights later, he came back and told her the Russians were about to take the town. He planned to desert and try to make his way back to his hometown. He invited her to come with him. She took him up on the offer. The journey took two weeks on foot, traveling through the war-torn countryside, sleeping in haystacks and eating whatever they could find or steal. When they finally made it his mother's house, they were married.

After the war, they emigrated to America and raised their family here. At the time I knew them, they had been married for nearly 60 years. One of the happiest couples I've ever known; just amazing people generally.

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Complete and utter bullshit. Multiple subs I ran did not allow this conversation at all for years because I caught incels openly planning to use trans issues as a way to start brigades. Those topics were removed on sight and we had zealous Auto mod. If this was bullshit, all the stalkers who love to screenshot and police subs would have posted a pattern of such things just like they have done for TRP, MGTOW etc over the years.

It's so funny how much revisionist history there is for MGTOW and other "oppressed" men on Reddit. There are so many years of screenshots all over Reddit showing these men crossing the line. Female subs are nuked much more quickly for a LOT less with no discussion, no quarantine. I understand how it feels to have communities vanquished so I get that but please spare us all.

"Misandry" on Reddit is talking shit about factually bad men. MGTOW, PussyPassDenied and many other male subs do things like celebrate women getting harmed, rancid language they excuse about a never ending "anger phase" and whatever else. Sexism was never a problem for Reddit which is why men crying "misandry" sound dumb as hell on this site of all places. At least MGTOW and other subs were given the courtesy of quarantine but the lack of willingness to police the worst extremist is how they ended up here.

We literally see people here saying FDS is the worst and that the male subs are NOT misogynistic. Lol. Come on.

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"Crazy conspiracy" until a lazy Reddit search. K.

You're have me confused with someone else. I never said women can't be toxic. I have zero standard of seeming like a "nice girl" tf? I have very openly said I don't give a shit if they are and wish more women would use very strong language to adequately express how they feel. The vast majority refuse no matter how bad it gets.

The reason I don't give a shit about this is because it rarely rises to the levels that have been normalized in male spaces. It's bullshit how men are, for example, "shocked and appalled" by the term "scrotes" (a response to "roasties") while they have thousands of posts not only dehumanizing us for years calling us every name under the sun, they regularly argue about things like our rights, rape being "understandable outcomes", removing our ability to work, and keeping us poor so they can exploit us for money comes to pass. That barely skims the surface.

So why should I give a shit if women are upset and talking trash about men who dogged them? It's the only language some of you understand. So long as no one is calling for violence, teaching people to attack or harm men, then who cares? Yall are out here crying about women choosing NOT to date cheap men while women are trying to avoid literal rapists and abusers who insert themselves into female lives. Many of them who learn from the manosphere you're defending.

I do recognize my biases. I'm proudly team women and team women is much less harmful than the manosphere by every metric. I literally run a site that allows free speech and the worst you will see on there still doesn't hold a candle to casual conversations in male subs. We have a group on there that can't stand women just like they can't stand men and they regularly make harsh comments. Still weak sauce in comparison to screenshots I can show you. Who needs screenshots, just go to a sub, swap out "feminist" or "woman" for man and tell me how you like it.

And the difference is women will usually have some basis, some real world issue they are replying to. A lot of men contort themselves into vats of hate for having literally zero interaction with women. 🤡🤡🤡

This bs standard that women create saints out of men, speaking in soft and perfect tones before you admit that men have long treated us like shit online is exactly why I am against weak female spaces.

Tl;dr Men are not victims on the internet and women don't need to speak nicely about the very people who shit on them. That's not oppression so stop reaching.

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When I was in grade school, like grade 5 or something, I had a math test. And I blazed through it in about 15-20 minutes. The teacher sees I'm writing nothing and asks me why. I answer that I'm done. She tells me to double-check the answers if I have free time. I pretend to do it but obviously I don't actually do it, why the hell would I want to do a math test twice.

The tests come back and I get like C because I indeed fucked up some of the calculations. The teacher even wrote on the test in marking red, "Instead of double checking you were sitting and thinking!". And ever since then I always double check all my calculations. sike lol of course I don't, what is this some shitty TV drama? I shrugged, went home and played Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines and completely forgot this even happened until now, 20+ years later.

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https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/oxp3pf/empaths_and_narcissists_tend_to_pair_up_which_is/h7o7bol/

She was trying to explain away the bad boys vs nice guys thing, by claiming it’s just a certain small group of women with a particular personality. As other women have tried to do here before. However, it’s generally accepted that AWALT. Plenty of women are open about this. Just listen to any young female oriented podcast or content. Even older women encourage younger women to have their fun before finding a good man. Women here are just so caught up in trying to find a gotcha to prove that men are evil and wrong about everything. I’m starting to think y’all really get off on arguing with guys you think are all lonely virgins.

This should be one of the things on this subreddit's sidebar. Or maybe a warning to any man coming into here. This is the most based post on this sub.

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Remember manosphere !=TRP

TRP is just a subset of the wider field of topic that is manosphere.

Manosphere consists of different brand of ideologies, movements, and even varied politics.

There are tradcuck RP (RP men who also believe in religion and all its rituals and practices)

There are white nationalist RP (your typical stormfront posters who latched on to RP)

There are black RP (who don't usually post here)

There are MGTOW men

There are blackpilled dudes

There are married RP (which is geared towards men who were already married before they found TRP)

There are even self described 'purplepill' men from this sub too.

Almost everyone of the above identify with RP and they all have varying opinions on marriage.

I consider myself to be pure RP and the main RP literature blatantly tells men to NEVER get married. Current society practically bends over backwards giving ALL the benefits to women at the expense of men.

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Daily Community Chat Megathread

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women NEVER had to compete.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
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Date	August 4, 2021 10:00 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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