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[–]RabbitNRaccoon16 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

And another thing:

Why does every dude in the Manosphere talk like they are fucking intellectual?

I've noticed a trend where damn near every comment made by men in places like WHATGMG, YouTube Manosphere content, Reddit RP spaces, have this smug psuedo-intellectual tone to it.

It's like every dude has watched one too many Patrice O Neal and Jordan Peterson videos. And thinks that because he is male and because he has a penis, he is also capable of the level of abstract, poignant, and relevant bits of hard to swallow but persuasively stated truths that these two men, in particular were capable of.

99% of men have are nothing like this.

Reading alot of these comments and watching these videos is akin to watching horse trying to walk in high heels. It looks awkward to other people and feels awkward to the horse.

And yet they persist.

The RP really gasses up alot of men's heads. These mother fuckers are riding other men's coat tails so hard. It's the bragging by proxy, for me.

Because a man invented engineering, ALL MEN invented it.

Because a man discovered Mars, ALL MEN discovered Mars.

Because a man was the leader of the greatest armies in the world, ALL MEN were leaders of the greatest armies.

Because a man created automobiles, ALL MEN create automobiles.

Because a man made a scientific breakthrough, ALL MEN made a scientific break through.

Because kings, conquerors and nobility were able to have sex with and keep dozens of women in their lifetime, ALL MEN should be able to do the same.

I see so many men patting themselves of the back for the accomplishments of less than 1% (this is a guess) of men who have ever lived on this earth.

Every other man mere was a tool in these men's tool box, a cog in these men's machine, and a foot soldier in these men's armies. They told you were to go, what to do and how to do it. And that is your only contribution.

So many of these men are joining in on a share of the credit because of what? The Y chromosome sperm hit the egg before an X one did?

So many men these days seem so delusional due to RP rhetoric. The average man doesn't make much money, isn't tall, isn't good looking, isn't particularly smart, isn't intellectual, isn't a leader, isn't an innovator, isn't that ambitious, isn't that creative.

But every mush mouth dude in RP thinks he is smarter than any woman could ever be. Like, by virtue of being male, you have some deep, abstract knowledge you are just waiting to espouse on us poor, illogical womenfolk.

Kevin Samuels really shit the bed with his "Men built the world". comment. Funny how he never added what he built.

I don't take credit for what other women have done.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm tired of it. I'm not even tired of it because you're male. I'm tired of it because it doesn't suit you.

You are not good at it.

So this is a message to all the regular dudes who discovered RP and then lost their fucking minds and now think they are going to be the next Patrice O Neal, or Jordan Peterson:

You sound stupid. You organize your points poorly. Your logic is shoddy. You lack eloquence. You cannot be witty. Nor banter. Your persona is badly copied. You are completely unoriginal. You look and sound like a knockoff. You're embarrassing yourself. Accept your averageness.

Please and thank you.

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I am not mad.

It's funny how men and women always refer to jealousy as the root of any opinion that they disagree with. It's intellectually lazy in my opinion.

Men can have their spaces. Go right ahead. But stop acting like something you're not. It's like so many men aren't aware of how stupid they make themselves look.

I am not shitting on blue collar workers either.

Nothing wrong with being what you are. Every one plays their own role.

Buts it's stupid for a turtle to fancy himself a tiger, is it not?

If he was smart he would accept his role as a turtle and be the best turtle he could be.

Just a reminder that the blue collar workers that women shit on until this very day are the ones running the powerlines, running your wi-fi, set up most of everyone's fiber/cable wires, so you can even type these posts.

Powerlines invented by one man. Wifi invented by one man. Cables and fibers invented by one man. A grid system designed by one man. Protocol and procedures determined by one man. Not ALL MEN.

My point still stands.

These workers, while essential, are cogs in another man's machine. Nothing wrong with being a cog. But you are in fact a cog.

Not the creator, innovator, or leader of these industries. You need a paycheck which is why you work in them. Let's not attribute it to altruism. Because it's not.

Let's be humble, please.

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So.

Until now, I have been insulted by every man whose point I have countered.

Instead of sticking to the issue at hand (which I did. I responded to your post and didn't insult you at all or go off topic) you insult me.

Why?

Eloquence and the ability to convince and be persuasive is the most powerful tool in the world.

Bitterness isn't. Saltiness isn't. The inability to admit when you are wrong isn't.

You are a fully grown man that cannot admit that you are nothing special. And because you are nothing special ,and I dared to point it out, that you are salty, and it must be because I am a woman spitting vitriol, as you said.

You and the other dudes that felt the need to call me names, prove a point I made the other day: most men are middle-lower pack members and they know it.

I get into disagreements with men and women all the time. I get insulted by most women. But I also get insulted by most men. Because both are mentally weak and can not handle being disagreed with. I cannot relate.

Only a small number of people can maturely handle being challenged and disagreed with without resorting to bad feelings over it. And as I've said, yall ain't it.

I never did see Patrice get mad at being disagreed with. Nor Jordan Peterson. 🤔 Interesting.

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Actually I’m using the appeal to not believing every Reddit comment I encounter and using critical thinking skills to determine whether or not what I’m reading is bullshit. It’s perfectly reasonable for me to question their background knowledge when I want to determine whether what they’re saying is true or not.

Also, that wasn’t an appeal to authority, in fact it’s the very opposite. Einstein was believed not because he was an authority but because he had done the necessary experimentation to come to his conclusion, and possessed the correct knowledge to apply his findings to the real world. A real appeal to authority would be if some doofus started chanting it and we all believed him because we perceive him to be qualified to make such a statement without any evidence to back it up. But I digress.

Truly, the fact is that very few people are intellectuals, and there were even fewer in the past, but to make a truthful statement on the matter you’d have to know what one is in the first place.

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The truth is that there are very few people who are actually intellectuals, and the majority is certainly not men, it’s probably equally split

What are you defining as an intellectual and what are you using as the basis that its equally split? When you look around the world theres a lot of places where women do not have the same ability to pursue an education the way that men do, also, in terms of IQ its a fact that men are disproportionaltly clustered at the higher echelons. That would be my argument for why there are more male intellectuals, even though the overall number of intellectuals is small. Also, like I said, even if you do not personally know what an intellectual is, that wouldnt make the statement untrue, because there is a definition of it. The truth of the claim is seperate than the person making it.

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Exactly. We cannot know.

Men say "Men built the world". As if women, in the absence of men, women would have been utterly incapable if it. Women wouldn't have just lay down and died off.

But since men will never fuck off, we can never know for sure. But the premise is still. bullshit. The idea that the human desire/will to survive will collapse with the disappearance of males.

I disagree.

If there was a was a way for women to self fertilize and only produce female children, humanity would still march on.

Could have been or not, we cannot know. Also men did not opress women, constitutions like church did.

And who carried it out? The church is a living breathing entity? It influenced me. But men chose to carry out the teachings. There is some accountability there.

To say that men didn't relish having the upper hand is also a lie. And now that they have lost it, they also miraculously forgot at how much poor treatment women and girls endured due to being female for thousands of years.

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Hilarious that this is allowed here but if the genders were swapped it would be removed for being “in*el content” lol

How is this that kind of content? You make no sense.

As I have said, there are too many people in these spaces that think they can just throw anything at the wall and it will stick.

This content is not related to in*el content at all, but I would LOVE to see you try and find a connection between the two. As I've said, people love feigning the ability to make abstract connections between seemingly unrelated things, but most people are not good at it.

They merely threatened to do it. Like you are. By all means explain in high detail how my comment is related to in*el content and I will delete it.

If the manosphere bothers you so much maybe don’t read/watch it’s content?

Don't project onto me.

I am not a person who makes decisions based on emotion. I do not discount information just because I disagree with it. I am not one to stop reading a book because the author said something I personally disagree with.

If you are that kind of person, that's on you. Not me.

I am not an intellectually lazy person. But I recognize most are. They feel comfortable only in spaces that coddle what they believe and would never have the nerve to enter into spaces that challenge what they believe.

I read RP/Manosphere content out of pure curiosity. Because I like to read about/try to understand other people's POV in the world. Even if we disagree.

I am a life long learner of anything and everything. RP content is merely another thing.

Even though I disagree heavily with alot of it, that personal opinion, does not prevent me from being able to admit that it has its positives.

But as I wrote in my post, it has a ton of negatives as well.

And as a person who also has the right to add their opinion into the discourse, I am merely exercising my right to do so.

"Why don't you just stop reading it?" Is a thought only an ignorant person would produce.

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…does him not being an engineer detract from his statement?

Have you seen his resume?

He has a degree in chemical engineering. That's right. But his resume includes a position at Office Max, Marketing Firm, Personal Shopper, Youtuber/Commentator. None of which are engineering. Or related to it.

And there are 10 years of work history missing from his resume.

Maybe be he has worked extensively in an engineering field, but why isn't it on his resume? In 2021 chemical engineering related fields are.lucrative as fuck. Why isn't KS in that industry right now? Why is he talking about women on YouTube?

Yall gotta make sense.

YouTube money is not stable. What is in today, will be gone tomorrow.

It makes more sense for a man to invest in a job in chemical engineering field, and build up expertise ans be bringing in a few hundred grand a year.

But Kevin is on YouTube.

His persona makes not sense. Yet all of yall are here kissing his ass. Look at what he says "Men built the world". And look at what he does: changing jobs every 2-5 years, not working in a field related to engineering, two failed marriages, handing out fliers in from od luxury stores trying to find clients for years, begging for likes and cash apps on YouTube.

Your king has multiple holes on his armor that you all just ignore.

Most of the infrastructure today and most monuments were built by men

As I have said, a small handful of men are responsible for these things. One man designed every monument that exists today. He called on a few other men who had the skill to put it up.

The rest of yall didn't do shit. Stop taking credit for the discoveries and advancements of a handful of men.

You are not someone that can even dare be compared to them. Just because they did it, doesn't mean you have any share in the credit.

As I said, most men are cogs in a handful of other extraordinary men's machines.

Men work the jobs they work. And take on the roles they take on. Because a man, not men, made it possible for them to.

A handful of men built the world that women AND men live in.

You don't get equal share in the credit for being a cog even though a cog plays its own, albeit small, role.

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Women like you have such a talent for burping up paragraph after paragraph whilst failing to understand a concept as simple as

No. People like you have a problem with countering arguements so instead you insult the person.

Most people don't do anything especially significant or remarkable with their lives.

Why are we pretending like that's not true. Even though we know it is.

Do you know why most men built infrastructure you see today? Because when those fields were created, women were barred from participating in them 100%. By men (remember, you cannot ignore that fact. That men made it so women were not allowed to work for thousands of years.) So all of the procedures and protocols have been set up in a way to prefer male physique in every way and discourage female participation.

The average blue collar workers would feel awkward AF in a field dominated almost exclusive by women with protocols and procedures set up in a way that appeals to women's natural talents. Even though, as a male, he would also be able to do the work. The environment has been so saturated with femaleness that the average male would feel uncomfortable joining it. It also discourages male participation.

Point out one comment in my entire comment history kissing his ass would ya.

You're defending a man whose whole persona does not make sense.

If you like some of the things he has said, fine. That's okay. He isn't 100% wrong. I think he is right about quite a few things. Objectively so.

But just because a person can be given credit for this and that, doesn't mean they need to be given credit for everything they do.

I have not "built" anything. And I am okay with saying that.

But neither has Kevin Samuels.

The fact that he brings up his STEM degree all while glossing over the fact that he has never used it all the while talking down to women for having "non-essential" jobs while he himself has never worked an essential job is funny, ain't it?

It's weird that people get upset when that is pointed out.

If you didn't have your head up KS ass your response should have been "yeah, that is strange".

But so many of the people in the Manosphere, I've realized, don't like critical thinking. I guess it's harder than I thought. And here I was thinking that ALL MEN were intelligent, logical creatures. Guess that isn't true. Who would have thunk it, eh?

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That's it really.

Why can't people just take in information. And pass judgement case by case? Even if you agree with certain parts of of RP, why can't men admit to the parts that are stupid? Because there are stupid parts.

You see men criticizing FDS all the time for being close minded, cult-like, female inel content. But then they behave the exact* same way in male spaces.

I was apart of FDS years ago. I seen it mentioned on th RP subreddit so I joined and read around out of curiousity like I do the RP spaces.

Anyway I had a comment flagged for being "a male like opinion" because I suggested that men adequately vet a woman to determine her interest is genuine before he buys her a meal.

I was told I was not allowed to every defend the male position. Even if it was valid. What the fuck?

But then last week in WhereAreAllTheGoodMen subreddit, the same thing happened. I said that if a man chooses to date a woman who writes red flags blatantly in her profile then he is an idiot (which he would be). And I was told not to "shame" men.

How is that shaming?

I see so many men making fun of and criticizing women for doing things they also do. As if they don't do the exact same shit.

Men are not more logical than women. Women are just more flagrant in their illogical behavior. Because if a man had sense he would realize.alot of behavior in RP spaces is embarrassing and stupid and should be disregarded.

But most don't realize.it. Because as I have said they are average as fuck. And swimming out of their depth.

Patrice O Neal and Jordan Peterson were both extremely open minded. And never held cult like beliefs about anything. Patrice often shit on women's behavior and told it like it was, but he never hated women. And you could also pick that up in his rhetoric as well. Because he wasn't some emotional ass, ego consoling, loser of a man.

He could accept alot of women for what they were and not have it ruin his sense of self in the process. Most men can't do that shit.

Yall are not the same.

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Yes, It can be applied to most women as well.

So what?

It amazes me how so many men claim to be more logical than women, but then, when a point is made that calls them out, the can only answer for it by saying "So do most women."

It's a lack of objectivity and inability to detach the biased emotions of the self from the point being made, for me.

As I have said most men engage in emotional anti logic just like women. It's not as obvious though. 😏

Most women are cogs. Have only ever been cogs. And will only ever be cogs. We know that. That is reality. We are reminded of that every day.

But most men are the same. A fucking cog. A tool. A foot soldier. Not exceptional. In anyway. Incapable of ever being exceptional.

And the RP doesn't remind men of this enough because the hard, uncomfortable truth doesn't sell, and the only way to keep watch times long and men subscribed to their memberships and patreons is to keep them nice and buttered up.

It's the inability to see you are being lied to and used, for me.

As I have said, the RP has some valuable nuggets of truth. But a smart man would take those and know instinctively to throw the rest away.

If a turtle allows a tiger to convince him that he too can be a tiger then that turtle is an idiot.

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So what? It amazes me how so many men claim to be more logical than women, but then, when a point is made that calls them out, the can only answer for it by saying "So do most women."

Just making sure you're consistent. The men saying "so do most women" are not necessarily the same men who say that men are more logical. For example, I've never argued that men are more logical. I just thought your comment exhibited a lot of the same pretentiousness and unoriginality that you are accusing the men of. It came across similar to this

If a turtle allows a tiger to convince him that he too can be a tiger then that turtle is an idiot.

I'm more black pill than red pill so I never really bought into the whole "turning a turtle into a tiger" side of redpill. I think you need the right genetic traits such as height, facial structure and vocal pitch to be perceived as masculine/chad like and without those traits no amount of "holding frame", negging, pickuplines ect will change that

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Why do men in the RP/Manosphere love telling themselves that a woman who has chosen to not sleep around will be attracted to a man who has slept around?

These same men will sit around espousing the importance of shared values. And how values should matter over everything. So if a woman has missed the cock carousel in today's climate, it is because she intentionally wanted to because she does not value casual sex.

So why would she want the exact opposite in a partner? Why would she want a man who does value casual sex?

Objectively, it makes no sense.

A woman who has chosen not to sleep around, and values long term relationships only is likely to be very loyal, stable, mature, not a validation addict and would likely make a good wife.

However since this woman is level headed and principled enough to avoid following behind the culture that tells us women to sleep around, why would she bet her youth, body, health, and life by tying herself to and giving children to a man who has slept around? How can she be assured that he will be happy long term and won't be comparing her to someone else?

From that woman's perspective, a man that kind of man is a risky investment. Isn't he?

But these dudes sit around acting like these women can't wait to get a man that has exposed himself to STDs dozens of times for a husband.

Logically, why would she want you?

You could say it's because women like men who other women like.

Okay, but would a woman who hasn't slept around, doesn't post half naked on social media, and has kept her beliefs in the face of this carnage be a person who needs other peoples validation of her choices to make them? 🤔

So then, wouldn't she not choose a mate based on what other women thought? 🤔

Because if she needed all that attention and validation, would she get it via other methods (social media, keeping orbiter, going out to party) in the mean time?

This is one of the biggest fucking lies RP dudes tell themselves.

Any woman who gets more interested in a man only when other women are, is the same woman that loves the emotional rollercoaster ride that Chad provides, is the same women that needs constant validation from people on social media, is the same woman who has tons of men in her inbox.

It's the same woman. That woman is a woman that likes the excitement and anxiety of trying to please a man that a bunch of other women have had. It's the woman that loves walking out with her promiscuous man and showing off how he chose HER over those other women. Because she is in a constant state of needing drama.

And this is the same woman yall all claim to hate because they are promiscuous/304s/liars/cheaters/deceivers.

Make it make sense. Something about this doesn't add up. Why would a woman who clearly values quiet, committed relationships where sex is only shared in love, welcome a man who cannot control his sexual urges and needs women (who he claims to not respect) to validate his existence by opening her legs to them?

And they act like it's because men as supposed to sleep around. But at no point in the thousands of years of human history has this ever been possible for 99% of men until the mid 20th century until present.

Why not just own up to the fact that you need to sleep around other wise you feel like a worthless person and instead of working on your poor self esteem you drown your sorrows in loose women?

So effectively you are a loser.

A woman who needs validation from men via sex, DMs, likes, praise, compliments, money, attention etc is a loser.

And an man who needs validation from women via attention, praise, and sex is also a loser.

So many of these men claim that they want a wife and kids and traditional life. But the spend all their free time getting bitches.

If your goal is to drive from NYC to LA by car, you aren't going to make it there if you spend the thousands of miles in between stopping every 10 mins to get out an stretch.

These men want marriage, yet their spend all their time sleeping around. If that what you want to do, cool. But why jump through all the hoops of justifying it? If you wanted a wife and kids and a white picket fence, wouldn't it make more sense to dedicate all of your time in this current climate to snapping up one of the few elusive "good women with values" than sleeping around? 🤔

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I don’t know why are you arguing about these since women themselves admit RP claims?

Some do.

But I have noticed that RP has a way of ignoring, completely and utterly, women who don't.

Like how Fresh and Fit on YouTube only invite the same archetype of delusional woman (OF girls, pornstars, Instagram groupies) to their podcast. They purposely use the kinds of women who will reinforce what they believe to be true.

No one talks to the girls who don't like Chad and Tyrones.

Because it is in the best interest of their content to keep men hooked on it by showing them only what they already believe.

Even Kevin Samuels tries to make the most reasonable, least delusional women that go into his show look stupid. Because otherwise he knows he isn't going to get that paper.

But no one takes this into account.

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A person "x" can be nice to people "y" and be asshole to people "z" at the same time.

Yes, people have layers.

But they don't have multiple personalities. I read somewhere once that a person can only hide their true behavior for 3 months or so. So I disagree with the idea that people can suddenly up and change one day.

And people usually have a reason for treating others differently.

The red pill is nothing more than shared experiences of multiple men with various cultural backgrounds on a scale and more experienced people explaining the mechanism behind it. That's why it resonates well with a lot of unsuccessful men, because they can easily relate many of its claims.

I'm not saying the experiences are invalid. I am also wondering what precipitated them.

I remember watching Kevin Samuels video. He was talking to men. Anyway, each of the men on the phone was a man unsuccessful with women. Had all these opinions about women. Had all these opinions about why women disliked them etc.

But Kevin Samuels sussed out that all of them were either not taking care of their health, not going out to actually meet women, or not working on getting decent jobs so they could have stability in their lives.

And these dudes were full of piss an vinegar at the start of the call. But slowly he got them to admit where they were going wrong.

I'm saying is people have a hard time objectively judging and analyzing their own behaviors. They will tell you they did something for X reason but the reality, when examined is Y.

There was young guy here a week ago. He said he was "pretty handsome". And he was a 4 in looks. Not ugly at all. But sure ass he'll not handsome and not remarkable in looks. A very background, non descript character.

But in his mind he didn't see himself that.

I just have noticed too much duplicity in people to always take their word for it.

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But they don't have multiple personalities. I read somewhere once that a person can only hide their true behavior for 3 months or so. So I disagree with the idea that people can suddenly up and change one day.

Yeah unfortunately

I'm saying is people have a hard time objectively judging and analyzing their own behaviors. They will tell you they did something for X reason but the reality, when examined is Y.

The point is, the number of factors are limited, you have to understand your bad qualities by looking at the list of it.

There was young guy here a week ago. He said he was "pretty handsome". And he was a 4 in looks. Not ugly at all. But sure ass he'll not handsome and not remarkable in looks. A very background, non descript character.

But in his mind he didn't see himself that.

I just have noticed too much duplicity in people to always take their word for it.

I haven't seen it but what he's doing good by claiming that. Being assertive is much more better than saying "i am nothing remarkable"

I do that too, i know i am 4/10 something but i act like a 8/10, that doesn’t guarantee success but being humble is a guaranteed way to be unsuccessful especially when you’re below average.

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But you wouldn't prefer a man who has slept around, and then tells you that it's okay because he was supposed to because men were created to sew their wild oats while women were not?

And even with awkward and unattractive dudes. I would avoid anyone who felt salty that they didn't get to partake in the pussy fest.

A less experienced man envious and desirous of casual sex is also a bad bet.

I want a man that just stayed in his own lane. And even if he is more awkward than most, and less attractive than most can still find some confidence in himself as a person and not be so compelled to declare himself as less than as I see so many men do.

Edit: do you also admit that you care what other women think of the man you date? Would you want other women to be slightly envious of you, or silently attractive of the man you dated?

I think your opinion on that would also be relevant considering your answers.

I personally wouldn't give two fucks if someone I dated was thought of as a catch by the average, basic woman. I like unconventional men, and I already know most women don't, so it makes sense that I don't want for their validation on the matter.

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Yes. I like it when I find out that other women want my man. It makes me feel like I got a good catch. It’s flattering. I wouldn’t like it if I found out a man I was involved with slept with many women though, that would make me feel insecure and hesitant as our values would be different.

I would not like it if he spouted the wild oats BS because I think sleeping around is bad for both sexes. But I would rather be with a man who slept around (provided he wasn’t an asshole) over a man who is only inexperienced because women don’t want him.

A man choosing to be selective with the women he dates is a top tier trait and I want that in a man ideally.

Basically what I’m trying to say, is that women like me, who are essentially waiting for marriage/commitment before having sex, would ideally want a man who hasn’t slept around out of choice. But if we had to pick between an experienced man or an undesirable man who was inexperienced, we’d pick the experienced one. That doesn’t mean it’s the ideal or particularly attractive, just better than the alternative.

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Even if you were right, sleeping around would still make a man more broadly attractive then have low experience hoping the end up with another low experience female

I disagree.

If a woman is low experience, but would have had the propensity to sleep around, marrying you at 22-23 before she slept around isn't going to prevent her from later in divorce raping you and riding the cock carousel at 35.

You can steal a wolf cub from its mother and hand rear it, but it is still a wolf and still has the wildness within it.

Times have changed. But people have not. The behavior you see today is what it would have been for thousands of years had restraints not been put on both male and female sexual behavior.

People didn't just evolve into this hedonistic, animal you see today. Women who like Chad's have always existed.

It would make the most sense as a man to avoid this type of woman full stop.

As a woman these kind of chick is really easy to pick out and avoid. As I have said, most people tell on themselves.

If a man wants to determine if a woman has always had the character traits of a principled person that he would want to marry, he only need ask.

I find reasonable people all the time. But that's because I attract what I am. And if you attract low quality women, it's because that's what you like and you have no standards. But at least own it

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"I'm not and the imaginary people I hang around with aren't so it must be you".

I know people.

So do you.

I assume you are an adult. As am I.

Have you never noticed the duplicitous nature of people. How they will eagerly tell you one thing, but the opposite will be true.

But they, because they are biased, choose to ignore outliers that don't fit their narrative?

This is human nature.

We get to choose the people we hang out with. We get to choose the people who choose to date, marry and have kids with. We choose. It's up to us to make the right choice.

And if you have made the wrong one, it is up to you to figure out where you went wrong.

People are so fuck eager to throw their hands up and exclaim that there is nothing that they can do and that's just how it is.

If that's the way you think, they you're already fucked. I never met a person who was surrounded by shitty people, who didn't willfully let them stay in their life.

All while complaining about it. And doing nothing about it.

RP discounts all the people who like nursing their hurt feelings and victim mentalities.

I don't.

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lol I've heard this argument before and you're so wrong.

Frollo isn't a nice guy. Follo is obsessed with power and squishes ant, people he sees as less than him. Frollo isn't consumed with being "out there" he is out there. He literally has his own throne at the feast. Frollo is in a popular power position and has servants (Quasi). Frollo gives orders, doesn't take them. He was ready to murder Quasi at a moments notice of burden to him. Frollo oppresses gypsies for years. Frollo is the chad rapist.

Quasi is a literal superhero with a heart of gold. Quasi has the ultimate "personality". He's creative and strong. He's polite and a defender of the weak. He saves animals. He has no friends. He wants to make friend with people but instead has inanimate objects he fantasizes as his friends. Frollo doesn't leave his belltower at the risk of being ostracized. Even though he is in love with Esmerelda, he helps middle manager Phoebus recover because it's the right thing to do, even at his own personal loss.

Sorry, Quasi is incel and Frollo is a chad. It isn't even close.

My Chad friend saw this movie with his girlfriend, and then he said I needed to see it so we went together. This is the only time he ever did that. So two 19 year old guys from sw Philly went to see a Disney movie. I think it was rather prophetic of him. He was showing me how the world worked. I was Quasi, he was pheobus.

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"Later, Esmeralda is arrested and charged with the attempted murder of Phoebus, whom Frollo attempted to kill in jealousy after seeing him trying to seduce Esmeralda. She is sentenced to death by hanging. As she is being led to the gallows, Quasimodo swings down by the bell rope of Notre-Dame and carries her off to the cathedral, temporarily protecting her – under the law of sanctuary – from arrest."

"The story is set in Paris in 1482 during the reign of Louis XI. The beautiful Romani woman Esmeralda (born as Agnes) is the romantic and sexual interest of many men, including Captain Phoebus and Pierre Gringoire, but especially Quasimodo and his guardian Archdeacon Claude Frollo. Frollo is torn between his obsessive lust for Esmeralda and the rules of Notre Dame Cathedral. He orders Quasimodo to kidnap her, but Quasimodo is captured by Phoebus and his guards, who save Esmeralda. Gringoire, who attempted to help Esmeralda but was knocked out by Quasimodo, is about to be hanged by beggars when Esmeralda saves him by agreeing to marry him for four years."

Looks like you don't know your shit about Victor Hugo and his book was the original. Probably never even read the unabridged edition of Les Miserables either.

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The hypothetical guy earns $100K a year already
The tax rate is 95% for every cent above $100K the purposes of illustrating a point, nobody actually thinks any government would institute it outside of absurd scenarios
His boss offers him at $100K raise to work twice as hard
He declines because in practice, he would get a 5% raise for working twice as hard after 95% of that raise was taxed
The government effectively lost however much money they could've taxed if the tax rate were low enough that our hypothetical guy would consider the raise worth the work
Within this hypothetical the first $100K represent working hard enough to be well off alone
The raise represents the effort of being wealthy enough to attract a girlfriend and the quality of the relationship you'll get
The tax in this scenario represents ways in which the standards for a man to attract a girlfriend has raised independently of the standard to live comfortably alone
The government losing money represents the ways in which men "tapping out" of society is overall detrimental

So row one of that comic is irrelevant to anyone with basic reading comprehension

The second and third points are both irrelevant because they apply directly to money and the post wasn't about businessmen, it was about applying economic concepts to dating.

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Women don't obsess over their vagina size. Its like when someone tries to insult you for something you don't give a shit about. I have grenn eyes, calling me a green eyed freak boy isn't going to bother me, like at all.

I mean ok this typical exchange.

Her : "You are just insecure because of you small dick!"

Him : "My dick isn't small, your vagina is just huge and loose!"

Now yes both are dumb, and we both lose in life for having just read that, any both people are obviously losers, but... if you had to pick out who "won" that exchange, its not going to be the dude.

I realize this is left of the IQ curve level of insults, but it really shouldn't be bothered with. When women do this unless they have seen your dick hard, they are just throwing out a long hanging insult hoping it hits home. Its like people who throw out racial insults because they have nothing else to say so its like "yea will maybe THIS will bother you because I don't know you well enough to really give you a good zinger".

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Have women lacked tact before? Yes.

But have I also seen the occasional post on FDS where a woman says something like "A shorter man negged me and really seemed to have issues with my height wearing heels, then he went crazy on me! I no longer date shorter men, and you don't have to either if you don't want to- despite male complaints about 80/20."

And yet I remember seeing a man post a video wearing an anonymous spider man mask about a woman who posted a video from fat to fit. He had no such important reasons for the video. It could just be because I don't watch male content, but never have I seen anything being said about overweight women that seems like it has an actual, helpful place being said. It's made even worse because ALL men know they don't have to date big women. Big women don't complain about being rejected- they get Hella embarrassed or maybe eventually make a video from fat to fit. It just doesn't need to be talked about.

Overall, your logic that "women lack tact so men can too" just seems backwards.

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You can't really "prefer" someone's body to function In a certain way. Reality doesn't mold to your preferences, and since it doesn't, you're only tearing down a partner for something they can't change- which is abusive. It's like a woman saying "I prefer my partners to be 6 foot tall, but I guess you'll do!" Prettt terrible for a relationship and for the man's happiness.

I don't agree with slapping the labels ok men for what they like, I guess? I just think it's unrealistic for a lot of women, and harmful to say out loud for reasons I've stated.

I mean, for example, I'd love it if my husband could orgasm from some different things. His body doesn't work that way. So, I accept reality and enjoy common sex just like every other person does.

"You can't always get what you want." - Mick Jagger

So just make the best of it, and don't harm/insult people with whom you like enough to get naked during the process. That's just facts, and I agree with that without slapping on all the labels.

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Lol! Work or school dreams are the worst, you've wasted your dream time on something you aren't looking forward to once you wake up.

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1/3 were neutral

We'll probably have to just agree to disagree on how were interpret neutral. Based on what I've heard and seen women say, I'm inclined to believe "neutral" is them being too polite to come right out and say it's unattractive. Obviously you don't agree.

How would you like to be a woman and know that every year past age 20, you are less attractive to the men you are attracted to? Let that reality sink in.

Women feel the exact same way. Women don't suddenly become less attracted to the athletic looking 23 year old with a full head of hair and smooth skin just because they get older. And the same is true for men. We don't suddenly become more attracted to saggy tits and wrinkles just because we get older either.

You can let this dig in your head and render yourself some neurotic head case, in which case you actually WILL be a complete nope for virtually all women, or you can focus on the 25% of women over age 25 who see your chrome dome as a plus.

You assume I'm insecure about it, but I'm really not. Actually, when I first started losing my hair shaved it really fast because I was more insecure about looking like I was trying to hold on to a lost cause like some guys do. I just was at one time falsely under the impression that women's main revulsion towards baldness was due to a lot of men being so insecure about it. Turns out it's just because they find it ugly and it makes you look old. I at one time believed attributes other than looks were most important to women. I was wrong. It's looks in addition to other attributes that are most important to women.

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I was just pointing out that women have different challenges to finding someone who we are both attracted to and attractive to.

Yeah I think the disconnect in how content men are to compromise on their ideal vs women. Like yeah, a ~20 year old probably is the ideal looks wise, but there are plenty of women between that and 35 that I would be happy to be with.

I could bang a much younger guy, but doubtful I would find one to commit.

Implying you'd want that if you could get it? Doesn't that prove right there that women are attracted to much younger guys?

Smurf is a hot 40 year old milf, her new beau is over 10 years older. It is what it is.

As I recall Smurf only dates top 1% earning hedge fund types, so that's why. Guys like that can pretty easily find younger women who will exchange their young bodies for the guy's money, and many guys like that are okay with that arrangement. If you're looking for that kind of guy too, there's a lot of competition.

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My wife and I are both 33, together 12 years married 8, have kid 6y.

One day around 3 4 years ago she confessed she masturbates after sex to have relief. It was very hard times to accept.

I find it rather surprising that he thought she didn't help herself out after sex. Also 12 years of sex without orgasms...that's rather awful.

Few month ago I had some issues down there and was out of the game for 2-3 weeks. I proposed few times we buy some toy to get her served, she said maybe. ... I recovered and this was removed from agenda until recently . ... Few min later she took my hand , said she doesn't know how to tell me, some silence, and finally she says she wants bigger one.

Fuck, my world ended, it was like headshot. I realized what she wants , what she always wanted and what was always missing, and what I cannot give her.

It was my deepest fear that came true. Penis size was always a reason of my self confidence issues. Over the time I thought I accepted it, assumption that wife is ok with it helped a lot. Now it's gone. I really don't feel like a man anymore, completely useless. Rest of the day is blurred, I couldn't behave normally, I replayed many times all our life and that I cannot satisfy her . I don't feel like I can have sex with her knowing she needs bigger. I'm broke.

So...he's always been insecure about his size and he's taken her curiosity as the sing of that he isn't a man enough. That's tough, I feel sorry for both of them.

The first comment is very understanding of his issue, the second is from a woman with a partner whose size in close to the OP's, the forth is from a woman with toys. There are other good comments too, but I guess a lot of users have missed his main issue and it's his insecurity.

And the second post is just...awful.

It’s really bothering me. I want my guy to enjoy sex. Sex usually comes when he wants it. I’m happy to give it to him. Sometimes he’s not satisfied with PiV so he tries to go for my butt and it really hurts. He said it’s the only way he’s going to come. He said I get tight the first few minutes then I get loose, then he’s no longer hard anymore and sex stops. I feel so guilty. I feel like I’ve done something wrong that makes him not hard anymore. He even had to use toys to get me tighter, but if I cum, I suddenly get looser, he stops getting hard and sex stops.

I’ve done kegels twice a day. It didn’t help. I even bought that China shrink cream. It helped, if he could get in.

I don’t know what to do. I love him, and I want him to enjoy sex and come. I don’t feel it’s fair that I can finish, and he can’t. That’s why I refrain from complaining and telling him to stop when I stop feeling good. I do want to make him happy.

And yeah, people in the comments are right. That's basic anatomy. She's not lose, most likely she gets more lubricated and more blood in her vagina, that's why he doesn't feel it so good. I'd guess he has some sensitivity issues or he's not honest with her and he just wants to get into her butt.

So basically you're comparing a dude with size insecurity whose wife wants to try a bigger toy and a girl whose partner most likely has sensitivity issues or is lying to her in order to fuck her in the butt when it's very painful to her. You've done a really terrible job choosing stories to compare.

Edit: I'll also attach links for people to read in case your comment will get deleted.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/oti098/wife_said_she_wants_bigger/

https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/qbqnx5/im32_fnot_tight_enough_for_him35m_what_do_i_do/

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I find it hard to believe that a woman can't O from outside stimulation or the G-spot which isn't that far in and can only get that from deep penetration. Let's say the only way you could O is from the A-spot even that's not that far back, maybe 5-6 inches so it's not that she needs a monster dong.

I think this is more a story about a man who has never put his wife's pleasure first and has been only focused on his penis and still is only focused on his penis.

As far as loose women go I'm fairly unconvinced unless your penis is smaller than a tampon.

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For some reason, women tend to think it's easy to get a girlfriend, while also overlooking how selective they themselves are when it comes to dating. I can't understand why they can't understand this!

Most times when a woman dates a man, she doesn't find him attractive at all, and there is no second date. I don't know what the percentages are precisely, but I would say around 90%. So the same would apply if she met him in a social situation; you've maybe got a 1-in-10 shot of having a chance.

Mathematically, it's therefore quite easy to date a load of women that are not interested in you; regardless of what you do.

But then there are four further things that complicate matters.

Firstly, arranging a date in the first place is hard. It's not easy to get a woman to go out with you. The whole process of dating is rarely fun for men.

I actually did genuinely used to get a bit excited when I was younger, but any sense of anticipation is steadily ground out of you. I used to invest enthusiasm in the whole process of dating, and be excited about meeting women. But after you've been through it one-hundred times over it becomes difficult to remain enthused.

Secondly, even if a woman is attracted to you, typically in a long-term relationship they want more. They think they're going to find someone perfect. And if that doesn't happen and they don't feel right about it then there's no compunction for them to continue with the relationship, as they could date many other men and the social pressure to settle down no longer exists.

You can actually be with someone who really, really likes you, and it still might not be enough for her to opt for you, or the relationship might go wrong for some reason, at which point you must endure the Sisyphean grind of the dating mill all over again.

Thirdly, even if you do everything right, not everyone can have someone because there just isn't a perfect distribution of people. There are always going to be some single people. That's even in a highly monogamous culture, but we're arguably living in the least monogamous culture in human history.

Finally, going through all of this process, the unending shunning, the repeated rejection, the perpetual message that you're not good enough has an emotional impact. Surprisingly, it doesn't feel that good! It can lower your self-esteem, and, amazingly, even your enthusiasm to date more women!

In the OP here, it is stated: "permanently single dudes I know all have issues". But what this assumes is that they had issues from day one. You haven't considered that their issues developed from their experiences. We don't know whether the chicken or the egg came first!

And we wouldn't say this to anyone else with problems. We wouldn't tell an alcoholic - "well, it's all your own fault that you drink too much, you've got issues, I've got no sympathy with you"! If people have deep-rooted emotional, psychological or lifestyle issues then we typically display sympathy and empathy towards them, not dismiss them as being inadequate!

Furthermore, I don't think people would generally exhibit this attitude when talking about women. We wouldn't tell a single woman that she was fucked up and pathetic. Men must continually meet the standards of women, which in some scenarios is impossible, and then when they don't meet them they are to be dismissed as 'having issues'.

Our first instinct is not to wonder why they are this way, consider what life experiences they have had to end up in this situation, reach out with kindness and empathy and support, it's instead to flippantly denigrate them. I can't think of any other similar scenario in which this would occur, at least not as universally as it does.

If you're lucky enough to meet someone organically, that's great. Dating is, and always will be, tough for most guys because you have to make all of the effort (it's not an inconsiderable effort either), make yourself far more vulnerable, and then the vast majority of the time you're routinely dismissed. I could honestly give you countless examples of this from my own life.

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First of all, I'm sorry for your experience, I get that dating might be extremely hard and disheartening for some people out there.

Having said it, have you written your comment without reading mine till the end? I don't assume that all struggling men are below average or necessarily have issues, I'm just saying that neither my husband or I know a guy that struggles and doesn't have issues that are pretty clear the reason of his struggles.

In the OP here, it is stated: "permanently single dudes I know all have issues". But what this assumes is that they had issues from day one. You haven't considered that their issues developed from their experiences. We don't know whether the chicken or the egg came first!

You can read what we were talking about here. Besides a guy with autistic spectrum neither of men struggle due to bad experience per se, but rather they have bad experience due to their issues.

"well, it's all your own fault that you drink too much, you've got issues, I've got no sympathy with you"

Not sure about the US, but in Russia it's pretty much the attitude people have towards addicts. Like they can get that it's the illness, but they also don't feel much sympathy for them, because very often these people hurt others and these are really their issues that they have to solve.

We wouldn't tell a single woman that she was fucked up and pathetic.

I haven't said that these men are fucked up or pathetic, have I? Having issues doesn't make you pathetic.

And women who repeatedly get into abusive relationships or even just together with shitty partners are told that they're the reason for it. Untreated problems hinder everyone's dating success.

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In the OP here, it is stated: "permanently single dudes I know all have issues". But what this assumes is that they had issues from day one. You haven't considered that their issues developed from their experiences. We don't know whether the chicken or the egg came first!

This is a GREAT point. Lots of guys who don’t have a lot of early success internalize it and go forward with a defeated ego and a losing attitude, and let’s face, most men don’t have a lot of early success I accept a lot of that blame on behalf of womankind.

I think spaces like this for normal guys to express their feelings are a mixed bag. They show that plenty of normal men struggle, they also encourage men to accept early defeat as status quo, and make them think unless they are in the upper 20%, they will never find someone who really desires them.

Spaces like this also get overrun by guys who actually do have issues too, they are often the loudest voices, which doesn’t bring much clarity to the problems of average guys

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Spaces like this also get overrun by guys who actually do have issues too, they are often the loudest voices, which doesn’t bring much clarity to the problems of average guys

Unfortunately, it doesn't matter how much we talk about it, the issue is biological determinism in action. It won't change. However, I just think people should consider that if things don't work out for someone with dating, it's not necessarily because they're inadequate or have a bad attitude. There is a lot of luck involved, as well as myriad factors that are out of their control.

First of all, I'm sorry for your experience, I get that dating might be extremely hard and disheartening for some people out there.

That's nice of you to say, but I'm well past the point of caring. Other younger people, though, shouldn't be so readily dismissed (I don't mean by you, I mean generally).

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Well, personal experience is bound to be different. I'm also not sure that the second guy is average. I guess an average man should have somewhat average height and face too, shouldn't he?

Just to give some context, men that I know and who struggle with dating:

One is depressed and has low self-esteem, so even when girls make their first move, he just ignores them.
One is morbidly obese due to some kind of chronical illness.
One is most likely autistic and can't shut up about his evil exes, all of which dumped him just after the first or second date.

And men who my husband knows:

A good-looking and overall nice guy who financially supports his relatives and overworks himself. He just doesn't have time or energy to date and also no woman wants to compete with the family he already takes care of.
A smelly dude. Poor hygiene and rotten teeth, I guess something else is wrong with him, I'm not sure why anyone would neglect himself to this extent.
A short, fat and hamster-looking guy with no proper job. He has nothing going for him.
One dude doesn't look his age and also casually goes for gold-diggers.
A military boy. No woman of our age wants to move around from place to place.
A guy in his 30s who tries flirting with girls in some online game.

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Something i find interesting is almost all of the single men I know are HVM (emotionally stable, look good, good career) and it just becomes harder to meet people when you are past your mid twenties and move to new places because of a career. They don't want to mess around either, they just want a regular relationship and they don't whine about not getting girls. They aren't really rare at all, they just aren't putting themselves out there or worried about meeting someone.

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No, they aren't issues really or they'd be complaining about it. They are fine just going on as is until someone pops into their life. I don't see the high emtions single people seem to have on reddit from women or men reflected IRL.

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They could get women if they tried. They could get on dating apps or go to the clubs. They even get numbers from women sometimes that are hitting on them. They just aren't really worked up about the situation at all. Maybe they'll change when they get closer to 35-40. Same with my single lady friends. If something happens than it happens, if not that's fine too.

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When did I say less attractive men? I specifically said they were attractive, emotionally stable with good careers. They just don't care that much to try and meet women and would rather enjoy life and if something happens it does.

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/sjop.12631

All six studies provide compelling evidence that self-ratings of unattractive people mostly differ from how others perceive their attractiveness.

In fact, relative to ratings by strangers, all studies showed that unattractive participants considerably overestimated their attractiveness.

It is remarkable that across all studies, unattractive participants reported to be above-average (relative to the scale midpoint) and their self-rated attractiveness was similar to how the objectively attractive participants rated their attractiveness.

Overall, unattractive participants judged themselves to be of about average attractiveness and they showed very little awareness that strangers do not share this view.

In contrast, attractive participants had more insights into how attractive they actually are. If anything, they underestimated their attractiveness.

It thus appears that unattractive people maintain illusory self-perceptions of their attractiveness, whereas attractive people’s self-views are more grounded in reality.

You can be pretty sure that 100% of the self-proclaimed struggling average guys here are actually on the very bottom of the scale but don't want to admit that to themselves.

tl;dr: "I'm average but hopelessly single" actually means "I'm the ugliest person in town but don't want to accept the truth"

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Yeah, depends on the context. Sometimes someone could be implying average looking, etc. But yeah, you are right that in this context it would just be overall average. Which would actually be impossible to calculate in practice as there are infinite criteria haha

I was just watching a video on Chinese family structure. Marriage rates are better than in the West, but cratering. Tons of cheating. More evidence of the enormous cultural pressure a society has to create, through numerous interlocking mechanisms, to create the 90%+ marriage rates of an enforced monogamy system. And the toll it takes on people, men and women alike, but especially women.

It's weird, because the sheer cost of it shows on the one hand how important such stability is. But it also shows how unnatural it is to human instincts in other ways. Raises the stakes on both sides. Definitely questioning if some type of return to wide spread enforced monogamy is achievable and even desirable. Maybe there is some better way. You see the huge problems that such systems generate. You see the huge problems when such systems break down. Maybe humans are just fucked no matter what haha

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Why do women always say this? Most? Most could be 51% couldn't it? Why would it only be an issue when it's no longer Most?

What? Like, 95% of men get married by the age of 40. How do you think they do this without being in relationships?

Why is 49% of men not having relationships not a problem but 51% would be?

Because you can't claim women are shallow and say most men get eliminated from dating just based on looks when that's very clearly far far far from the case.

Also you don't get the complete picture of the modern dating scene if you take 100% of the population many of these people got in relationships ten twenty thirty even forty years ago. In modern times, the young men are increasingly sexless and relationshipless.

But you still need to demonstrate that this is because of women being shallow vs just a general cultural shift away from relationships.

The issue is getting worse, not better, while women just plug their ears and say "well most blah blah blsh"

Because better for some means worse for others.

It's like if I said how terrible 9/11 was and you responded "it's not a big deal most people didn't die in 9/11" just terrible logic

Except your not making claims about the moral character of half the population...

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I don't think it's 95%

Okay, it's 77% of men, and only 5% more than women.

I didn't claim women are shallow I asked for reasoning that makes sense other than them being shallow. Basically I said that them being shallow was the best fit for the facts but I'd like to hear any argument that would fit the facts better.

And I gave one, that despite most men meeting the looks threshold, they fail one of the other criteria...

I didn't say most men get eliminated from dating I said the reason most men who are eliminated from dating are eliminated seems to be that women are shallow.

Okay, I may have misunderstood this statement then:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qe6h6q/daily_community_chat_megathread/hhw9i11

But there is no reason to believe that the reasons those men are single are due to shallow reasons.

Sexlessness isn't rising in women as sharply as in men so it's not just a shift away from relationships and even if it was it would be the fault of women, who make up the pickier half of society

Well it wouldn't rise in women as sharply because if male variance. When casual sex was on the rise, it rose faster for men as well. Does that mean women were less picky then men?

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I do not view history primarily through the lens of patriarchy or female oppression. However, it seems clear to me that the widespread enforced monogamy systems of old were built on a significantly greater female erotic sacrifice than male.

One must be careful about judging the past. It may well be that given the realities of the time, the male sacrifices for monogamy balanced out the female. Or that it was simply what was necessary, etc.

But the realities are different now. Everyone, male and female, values the erotic more than ever; and whatever sacrifices men could make to balance out a female erotic sacrifice have less inherent value. If there is ever going to be some new grand gender bargain to restore monogamy, these new facts have to be recognized. Even if we do not restore monogamy, and aim for some other structure for social stability, we still need to recognize these facts.

I loathe that so many men are willing to casually throw female sexual fulfillment under the bus as their first recourse in terms of how to solve our current problems. If something like a return to classic monogamy somehow proves essential to human flourishing, with the requisite female erotic sacrifice, it cannot be the first thing we try. It needs to be a last resort. And if it ever proves necessary, the least men can do is recognize the sacrifice women make.

(At least the sophisticated men at the start--myths and noble lies for the masses about female sexuality were always part of making widespread monogamy work in the past and might be in the future. Though hard to say if such things could ever work again in the internet age.)

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It’s not about women fantasizing about other men— it’s about a woman having enough lust for a prospective partner to find sex reasonably pleasant. If a man is objectively unattractive to her, then that man ranking highly in attractiveness compared to the other men might salvage things to the point where she finds him desirable enough to pair with. If he’s objectively unattractive and she doesn’t have any kind of reference to other men? I don’t know what would happen, but it’s not really not feasible.

Women did some factory labor but were poorly compensated and we’re not very welcome outside of wartime. Factory labor was hard- I recognize that life was not easy for women or men back them. There were also white-collar or similar jobs of which women were very capable, but were often poorly poorly compensated or discouraged from doing.

Had the workforce been more open, how many women would have elected to work rather than to marry someone they didn’t really want to? The job market may have also shifted if women were more involved. If the most intelligent women AND the most intelligent men had put their heads together, technological work advances may have happened more quickly, which would have been safer for everyone.

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We can't really say what may have happened we can only really say what did happen.

Women worked in factories when men were off dying in wars, not because they wanted to but because they needed to.

These white collar jobs you speak of were few and far between. Simply not enough for any sizeable amount of either gender to perform. A tiny fraction of men did those jobs and mostly men who worked shit factory jobs until they had seniority and they got the office job.

The only way those jobs could have gone to women is if we specifically chose to give every easy job to women (much as we do now) which is highly sexist.

You're kinda committing double speak, you're saying on one end that women can find lust for less than attractive men if they are the cream of the available crop. But then you turn around and suggest that they can't alter their desires at all.

Both of those things can't be true at once

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I’m saying that if women weren’t socially discouraged, paid less, and judged to be less capable than they actually were, then they could have competed in the work force in a way that lead to more women being able to earn a living and to not be made to pair with those they didn’t want to marry.

Some jobs would have been out of their wheelhouse— but this was true for enough men as well (ex: most 45 year old men couldn’t do the same labor as the 20 year olds). White collar (and similar) jobs were not the majority, but they made up enough of the work force that women not being discouraged or underpaid could have had a big impact. Think of nurses, teachers, and secretaries/office managers for example.

Regarding attraction, I am saying that how women evaluate men is involuntary, and also saying that two big metrics are objective attractiveness and attractiveness relative to rank.

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This is true.

For a huge chunk of modern history though, women paired with men that were roughly their smv match or a bit lower, and most of them (unless the women and, therefore her partner, had quite high Smv) did not want regular sex with those men. They weren’t sleeping around before marriage, looking at female-oriented adult entertainment, or on tinder… but there was still an issue with men being upset (and I get it) about their wives not wanting sex regularly/not feeling desired by their wines and having “headaches” or being tired when it came time for sex. And the women didn’t like this scenario either.

If there a way to make a mid-ish level or lower smv woman quite sexually attracted to her smv match, without a profound sacrifice, I’d be curious but I don’t think there’s any easy solution.

What are your thoughts?

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why wouldn’t women en mass not want to easily enjoy, or at least find pleasant sex with the men willing to commit to them?

They are told not to. They are told they cannot will themselves into this by others. They literally don't even try. And if they do try it's a half assed attempt that ends with them making some excuse as to why it didn't work and they swear to never try again.

is basically: allow someone else to use your body in a very intimate way even if it causes distress

No not at all. This is what I'm talking about, why would you see it or present it this way?

You're not allowing them to use your body, your choosing who you want to have sex with logically instead of based on monkey brain.

is basically: do not voluntarily cause harm to someone’s else’s body

It's exactly the same, logically choose what you're going to do with your body.

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I don’t think you understand what it is like for a lot of women to have sex they don’t want. It’s not a pleasant thing, and to be honest, I’m not sure how great it is for men as whole to understand it, if we have any other alternative for minimizing/moving away from it. I want men to feel desired too, but it might mean that men who aren’t at the top of the hierarchy date a woman with lower smv than they would have gotten in the past.

You're not allowing them to use your body, your choosing who you want to have sex with logically instead of based on monkey brain

You cannot logic away sexual aversion. Think of gay people placed in conversion camps. Those camps couldn’t make them straight even when the participants knew life would have been safer and easier were they straight.

It's exactly the same, logically choose what you're going to do with your body

Choosing not to partake in sex is making a choice about what to do with your body. And there remains a big difference between not allowing someone else inside your body and actively damaging someone else’s body.

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See this is what I mean. You're not even willing to entertain the idea.

I'm not telling them to have sex they don't want, I'm telling them to want the sex that is logical to want. Do you see the difference in the way that you view it and I do?

Why wouldn't they want it? Have they tried wanting it? Because it seems like you think them trying to want it is just allowing a man she doesn't want to have sex at her instead of her actually trying to be wanting it, in the moment.

You cannot logic away sexual aversion.

Says who.

Think of gay people placed in conversion camps.

Bad analogy women's sexuality isn't chad its men.

Those camps couldn’t make them straight even when the participants knew life would have been safer and easier were they straight.

And yet gay men can and do have sex with women, especially before coming out, so your point is self defeating. No they can't make them straight, because sexuality is chosen by your genes.

It's not an instinct to be gay it's effectively a genetic anomaly.

Not partaking is making a choice about what to do with your body.

Based only on your instincts.

So let's analyze that. Women must act on their instincts, and cannot choose to do otherwise. There literally is nothing in this world that can make women behave like anything other than monkeys in the jungle.

So why should they be treated as adults if they are incapable of being anything but animals? Why should we hold men to the standard of denying their instincts if it's oppressive to do so to women?

Do you not see how you're insulting women on a very basic level by insisting they cannot think logically and act on that thought happily? That asking women to be logical makes them miserable and yet they are somehow equal to men who can and do deny their instincts for the sake of society?

And there remains a big difference between not allowing someone else inside your body and actively damaging someone else’s body.

Only because of the way your phrasing it, why do you insist on phrasing it that way instead of the perfectly compatible "choosing what to do with your body logically instead of on instinct"?

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I am open to entertain new ideas but willing oneself to enjoy intercourse despite aversion is not effective.

Women’s higher sexual selectivity is not illogical. There are evolutionary reasons why mid-ish and lower level smv women aren’t aroused by their smv match.

So let's analyze that. Women must act on their instincts, and cannot choose to do otherwise. There literally is nothing in this world that can make women behave like anything other than monkeys in the jungle.

So why should they be treated as adults if they are incapable of being anything but animals? Why should we hold men to the standard of denying their instincts if it's oppressive to do so to women?

Do you not see how you're insulting women on a very basic level by insisting they cannot think logically and act on that thought happily? That asking women to be logical makes them miserable and yet they are somehow equal to men who can and do deny their instincts for the sake of society?

I am not certain how you concluded this from what I was saying. Women can and do sublimate and redirect impulses, but not all drives can be reasoned away, and if the cost of taking action that runs opposite to the drive is too great (I.e. pairing up for a lifetime of unwanted intercourse) then abstaining is not an illogical choice and is not akin to acting like a monkey.

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Your using logic to justify women's illogical choices as well as an appeal to nature fallacy.

Women are not abstaining though single motherhood is on the rise if they were abstaining then that would not be the case.

Why not will yourself to not be averted in the first place? And why do you keep insisting with zero evidence that this sort of thing is possible despite every indication that we can retrain ourselves mentally to respond to medications that aren't being taken. We can condition rats to do a flip when a light turns on with rewards and remove the treats and they will still perform the action.

Your mind is much more powerful than you give it credit for and the reason women can't use their mind to overcome their inner monkey is simply because they don't want to. They stubbornly refuse. They do the appeal to nature fallacy you just used.

So what impulses are women denying and subverting that is at all akin to every man subverting his animalistic urge to be violent, dominate and steal? How is it that men can restrain themselves but women can not?

You're just going to suggest with zero evidence that the urge for women to mate with chad is stronger for some reason than any instinct a man has? Why? How? Because you feel it's so?

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I don’t align with the appeal to nature as I don’t think women’s higher sexual selectivity is a good thing— I just think it’s largely intractable. I wish it was different and perhaps things will change if humanity is around long enough.

Women are not abstaining though single motherhood is on the rise if they were abstaining then that would not be the case.

I don’t advocate for the general model, but single mothers may still be abstaining from the sex they dont want.

Why not will yourself to not be averted in the first place? And why do you keep insisting with zero evidence that this sort of thing is possible despite every indication that we can retrain ourselves mentally to respond to medications that aren't being taken. We can condition rats to do a flip when a light turns on with rewards and remove the treats and they will still perform the action.

I am open to actionable suggestion but simply willing oneself is not a viable method. Have you ever hear older women tell you it was normal to have to try to “zone out,”? They didn’t want the experience to be undesirable— but it still was to the point of dissociation and finding excuses to avoid sex.

I don’t know if there is any male equivalent to women’s aversion toward having sex they don’t want. Men have a lower attraction floor, higher disguist threshold, and experience less physical discomfort with unwanted (male-female) sex.

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After reading u/nessaea-blue’s question and the responses, I’ve decided to share a personal story

Last weekend I took my little cousin to the park, and I got a saucy text from the girl I’ve been talking to (cheese girl). Well, apparently it was a little too enticing and I popped a boner then and there. I was wearing light colored joggers so it was very apparent, and it doesn’t help that I have an absolute monster. My cock is so fucking big that it weighs me down, I have scoliosis because of my extemely large penis. My cock is so unbelievably huge that if gravity stopped working i’d still be on the ground. Anyways, I told my little to cousin go play on the swings so that I could go behind a tree and readjust. I walked past a few parents, and got some very disgusted looks. I felt ashamed, although one woman seemed like she was impressed. I finally got behind the tree and tucked my dick behind my waistband, and luckily my light jacket and shirt were able to cover the rest.

I didn’t wanna cut play time for my little cousin, so we stayed a little longer. Twenty minutes later I saw some police driving around the neighborhood and decided that was a good time to leave. I’m glad I could take my little cousin to the park, family time is important. I only feel a little embarrassed. No more looking at my phone at the park 🤦‍♂️

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This u/SmurfESmurferson is 100% The “threshold”. Height is an easy way to explain the concept. My preference is 6’, but generally taller than me is my threshold. One of the best looking guys I ever dated was my height, 5’6”. His face was an 8 though. My ex bf was 5’8” but he was incredibly smart, kinda cute, and extremely ambitious. He was also, other than his height, specifically “my type”, so I was drawn to him anyway. Would I have dated them if they were only 5’2…no, probably not. Did the fact that they have something else going for them make up for the fact that they weren’t that tall? Absolutely. If you pass the acceptable threshold in looks, you can definitely make up ground in other areas.

Btw, that post you quoted was just a troll post…hurt people hurt people.

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I would say that you are functionally correct. You can generate all the desire you need in a relationship with a mix of assertiveness and kindness, mixed with some playful teasing and just a general awareness that spending too much time together can smother desire.

Now, some TRPers will try to get very technical about how being an asshole can actually generate desire. Or how women respond to dark triad traits and all that other stuff. I'd say that there may be some truth in that. It may be true, in a technical sense, that you can stimulate even more temporary desire (usually at great cost to the relationship and your own soul) through going to the 'dark side'.

Honestly, nobody has that perfectly modeled out. But we know enough that we shouldn't care. The Light Side of the force is where you want to stay. It can create all the lust you need without sacrificing your soul and hers. No need to play with the Dark Arts, regardless of whether they may provide some small advantages at enormous costs.

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Yes. It would be determintal to consume this material as a woman who was in the process of dating. Most men aren't like the ones here.

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Field report of Saturday night out #7 of Indian guy in Sweden.

The night started on a good note, I got in the bus and 3 young girls came with glittery hats on, they were also carrying cake pieces on plates, so I asked them about the hats. They apparently won a football tournament and came back from celebrating that win, then offered me piece of cake, after hesitating for a few moments I took a piece of it. We talked a bit about football then I focused on the cake. In the end they were courteous and wished me a good night before leaving.

Then I went to this bar which is basically known to be for middle aged to old people. I got myself a fruity beer and ordered some French fries. The fries were the best I ever had in my life. A small glass of beer was $11.5, but it was craft beer, and I liked it. I generally hate beer. I also chit chatted with a guy then he had to leave to catch his bus home.

Then went to my university run night club, saw a lot of familiar faces there. Talked to this guy Alex and his friends, Julia, Lucas, and another guy. Then we went dancing and over the night damced with a lot of people, it was fun. This girl Tilda was really into me, getting all physical and shit, not gonna lie, I got a boner because I am extremely inexperienced. Then I went out to get some water, a little later Tilda came there as well, then she asked me to go somewhere quiter because she wanted to talk to me.

We talked for a while and then apparently her friends called her, while leaving she said that she hopes to see me around, I said yeah, we could get drinks sometime. She said sure.

Now you know the dumbass part? I neither asked for her number nor gave mine and she's not from the city and going back to Stockholm soon.

Then I went back to the dance floor and danced some more, another cute girl dancing near me seemed interested because we were having a lot of eye contact and she was intermittently dancing with me, but I am fucking clueless. I don't know jackshit about how to escalate. I hope to come across someone who will take it start to finish.

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[–]SonicBackScratcherGreen Eyed Member of the LGBFJB community 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Psychological_Wear_74 inches is enough 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]kissmetilyouredrunk{<Rope Bunny>} 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Psychological_Wear_74 inches is enough 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]FudstersecuredFree Range Chad 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

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[–]MurphysmongooseGodsSmolGift2Women 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]FudstersecuredFree Range Chad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]MurphysmongooseGodsSmolGift2Women 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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This will vary from person to person, but there is an argument to be made that it could very well result in woman b being more interested rather than less.

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Title	Daily Community Chat Megathread
Author	AutoModerator
Upvotes	5
Comments	1328
Date	October 23, 2021 3:00 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/qe6h6q/daily_community_chat_megathread/
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