DISCLAIMER: I just want to preface this by saying that this isn't a "wahmen bad" post, and that is not my intention regarding it. I apologize if it's interpreted as such, but you're really trying to read something there that isn't there.
Truth be told, I think part of the reason why women are much more comfortable being single than men are is that society has been very upfront and honest (perhaps even exaggerative at this point) about the negative characteristics of men.
Good fathers properly warn and teach their daughters about the negative aspects of men. Unfortunately, many of them don't teach their sons regarding the negative aspects of women.
Additionally, because women have such a strong in-group preference, they are strongly discouraged from identifying negative characteristics within women. This is why (at least I believe so) mothers won't warn their sons about the negative characteristics of women.
From Purdue:
https://www.purdue.edu/uns/html4ever/2004/041213.Goodwin.gender.html#:~:text=The%20results%20showed%20that%20women,research%20groups%20of%20varying%20sizes.
The results showed that women showed in-group favoritism four times greater than men. Those figures are based on an average of separate studies that involved research groups of varying sizes. "Yes, this research goes against what people think they think, but that is the advantage of collecting data in manner where people can't control their responses," Rudman said.
Also read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women-are-wonderful_effect#In-group_bias
Up until very recently, we've been raising boys under the impression that women are perfect angels who truly care about men and aren't remotely shallow at all.
Hell, there's literally an old English poem that writes as such:
What are little girls made of? Sugar and spice And all things nice That's what little girls are made of
For reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Are_Little_Boys_Made_Of%3F
We don't have to "red pill" young boys per se; we just need to be honest with them.
Women are humans. Humans (regardless of biological sex) are inherently selfish and act in their own perceived self-interest. They have their own needs, desires, and preferences; and there's nothing wrong with that.
We need to stop teaching boys that women should be the central focus of their life and that the only way to achieve fulfillment in life is via women. We need to teach boys that it's okay to be alone, and that you need to know how to be happy alone in order to be happy in a relationship. Relationships simply exist as a potential form to enhance one's life (and oftentimes, relationships act as a source of primary ruin and detriment in many men's lives — we give the youth an overly wholesome view of relationships, even though the vast majority of relationships do not fit that mold) , not to be the end goal of it.
If men didn't have such unrealistically high expectations placed on women in the first place (which is of no fault other than the environment they were coddled in in their adolescence), they likely would have never had to go through all the mental distress you're seeing huge amounts of young men going through right now.
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Wot mate cupalo cake?
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Asking how the dude f-ed up.
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Oh ha, I think we've all known people like that, it sucks. Does your dad then have a half-sibling and are they in his/your life?
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No they really don't lol. That's just not true
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"My mom was a statistical rarity, so of course the way she raised me is representative of the norm!"
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...because what's being discussed is how common something is.
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Like how most single mothers try to turn their sons into daughters.
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Yes I'm saying you're lying.
Not that other men attest to the same thing, I don't doubt that.
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It's almost like that's very different from what the above comments are talking about.
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The "special care" if that's what you want to call it is literally given as a balance-out to the inconveniences, dangers, and issues they face that you do not. It's not like you're taking two people on equal standing and handing one something the other doesn't get. You're taking one that's already at a severe disadvantage and giving them something to level said disadvantage out.
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I want special consideration for the group of people who are in far more potential danger and prevention of that danger, since it puts them at a severe disadvantage. I want consideration for them being disenfranchised under a countless number of facets of life and effort to create an environment that accounts for that disenfranchisement.
I want fairness, which is entirely different and often opposed to "equality" on a 1-1 ratio.
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I find married women put out well and often.
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Well the problem is that feminist pedagogy is actually propaganda and it has taken over the legal system, the schools, our social lives, even our most intimate relationships and has taken over psychological institutions too.
So literally every aspect of society is made to lie
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Of course it is it’s the power = privilege narrative that did that.
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Right?! I think you misunderstand the post.
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That’s how much it costs for women to be primary caretakers of children.
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Ok but the lower paying jobs have to be done, correct?
Women take hits to their career when taking time off to care for children. Someone has to be the primary caretaker and work fewer or more flexible hours.
This is what women mean by the earnings gap.
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This is weird. You’re mad women take low paying jobs wiping your grandma’s ass in the old folks home.
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who is us?
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…I already responded to your nonsense. 🙄
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"my opinion is better than your facts" that response to my "nonsense"? Rigghhtttt
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Your “FaCkS” don’t mean anything when I specifically said that it is probably more prominent in specific communities. More like “idiots don’t like to read.” And you also quoted a study from the 20th century as if there wasn’t a recent push for women to be more self reliant.
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When I say, " Men are taught to focus on independence and self-reliance. For you to claim this is feminine is comical." and then you come round saying, "Uh no…it was right the first time" then you're wrong. I see where you tried to fix it by adding, "well at least in certain communities/ cultures" but that doesn't make what I said wrong. At all
And again, my "facks" mean a hell a lot more than your opinion with no numbers, sources, citations to back it up. So don't say anything about my sources when you ain't got nothing to back up what you're saying other than you.
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Except it isn’t wrong. I literally specified right after I said that. You just couldn’t bother to read. You’re dead set on being “right” when instead you’re making a total fool out of yourself. Again…reading is fundamental.
Your “FaCkS” mean nothing when they do not represent the current century. Next to useless. How about you pull up a recent study or stfu.
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So you scope down what we're talking about to something specific that wasn't part of the original conversation. That doesn't disprove my point.
Do you have any sources or studies that show this has changed? No? Then again, don't say shit about my sources when you have NONE. You're literally talking out of your ass. You're not an authority on anything and you have nothing to prove what you say is true.
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You’re so dense you could sink a freighter
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This absolutely happens to women as well. In fact, I'd argue that it happens more to women. A woman who never marries or has children is looked at as a failure, even if she's successful in every other metric. Think about the connotation of the term "old maid". There's no equivalent for men- the closest is "bachelor", which carries much more positibe connotations.
I'm not old enough yet that my family is starting to worry that I don't have a partner, but when catching up with extended relatives, my dating life is still one of the first things I get asked about. My male cousins don't get asked this. When I was applying to college I was encouraged to consider at which schools I'd be more likely to find a nice man (of my own race, of course!) My male cousins were not encouraged to consider their future wives when deciding what college to go to.
You've got this backwards.
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The person you are debating is obtuse, by intention or nature... Complete waste of time
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How was that not civil? I was saving them time and effort debating someone that doesn't do so in good faith. I literally went about around in circles with the person for over a day, how could I have said that more civilly?
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It's a statement of literally fact not an insult.
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Great post and I completely agree.
I had the luck of being raised by a Red Pilled Dad, and had two Red Pilled Grandpas, both of whom were womanisers prior to meeting my Grandmas, so I could learn a lot form them.
What they tought me, and what I wil be trying to teach my sons is this:
- don't rush into marriage or relationships, be a "sailor" for a while and just explore many women
- don't take monogamy too seriously. Its a tool not a goal
- Don't put women on a pedestal
- there is A LOT of women, not one is an irreplacable unique snowflake
- be a strong masculine man for your own sake, if some women like that, all the better
- maintain strong, healthy, lifelong male friendships
- always be busy with stuff you are passionate about, men fell under a woman's heel whenthey are bored
- in a relationship, let her "win" on every small and unimportant issue, but never on anything important like the future of your children, house, finances, safety etc.
- ABF: always be flirting. Flirt with all the women, regardless of yours, and theirs relationship status. Flirt with your wife/GF all the time, but refuse to stop flirting good naturedly with every other woman.
- above all alse, be proud of being a man and honest about who you are, what you want and what you do not want.
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“Men, your value to society and as a person is completely within your power. Women, sucks to suck and you’re useless when you’re no longer young and hot. Nothing to be done about it.”
Yeah, that’ll solve things.
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Reducing people’s value to their sexual value, or emphasizing sexual value as critically important, is a problem in itself, to be honest. I grew up very religious, and my value as a future wife and mother was emphasized—but that was the only kind of value I was supposed to have. That shit’s harmful. Just because someone doesn’t have “value” in one area doesn’t make them an inherently useless person and doesn’t mean they don’t have value in other areas. Sexual “value” might be nice, but if that’s all you care about, you end up with angry/depressed incels and depressed women over 35. Sex gets enough emphasis as it is. We don’t need to be adding any more fuel to that fire by teaching children to also develop a complex about their sexual value.
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No, because too many will suicide before becoming net contributors to society.
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