r/TheRedPill quarantined | PurplePillDebate

Hystericalprince · 2018-09-27T19:28:57+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/quarantine?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FTheRedPill%2F Reddit quarantined the TRP subreddit. Thoughts on this?...

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs 107 points108 points109 points 7 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

lol I just checked out the home page of that university. Their focus articles:

Guys Who Get It: The Men of the Women’s Movement ...
Activists Meet Researchers "Challenging Homophobia, Challenging Masculinities" ...
“When you have Angelina Jolie and Gwyneth Paltrow in the same sentence, well, people take note,” ...
Conservatives find out that women are studying toxic masculinity, meltdowns ensue
... Men as Allies in Preventing Violence Against Women
Angry white men' ...

This could be satire.

Anyway, reddit has about run its course anyway. Its getting rather boring. Most subreddits seems to be overrun with hysteric ideology driven shrills which accept no thinking outside the accepted parametres of their ideology. Reddit used to be a place where you could meet people with different thoughts, and you could have an honest conversation. Now, you'll just get downvoted and probably shadow banned.

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Good example here;

And of course in a completely suprising twist of events FragileJewishRedditor gets quaranteend but FragilewhiteRedditor did not. You can't explain that.

To quote a comment on that sub

fragilewhiteredditor has shabbos reddit's full support. :) The tribe found that banning communities didn't work, so now they want to limit people into confined spaces where they can be controlled. /u/spez is saying with great pride (((they))) are still experimenting on how to handle communities with unwanted speech.

It's basically reddit trying to conform to whatever the MSM says is right. Which is not a move I didn't expect.

They're trying to sanitize their content as much as youtube did. Youtube still hosts appalling videos hosting borderline child porn(weird russian videos). But no-one talks about that so it's all fine.

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[–] TheGreasyPole Objectively Pro-moderate filth 1 point 2 points 3 points 7 years ago * (7 children) | Copy Link

Whenever humans want to kill, they convince themselves that the victim is not human.

I’m not trying to convince you the fetus isn’t human. It’s as human as the blood cells and sperm are human.

Being “human” is not a sufficient qualifier to make “killing the human thing” murder.

People have used the "its a subhuman" rationalization to enslave, rape, murder for all of history.

Nor am I attempting to say they’re “sub human” either.

However they don’t meet at least 2 of the 3 qualifying criteria applied broadly across the legal spectrum for murder, even outside abortion.

The Nazi's dehumanized jews. The slavers dehumanized blacks. Fetus are particularly easy to dehumanize.

Look, this is all wasted as I never claimed they are not human. I never claimed the blood cells or sperm was not human either.

You're firmly in your delusion.

If you assume my delusion is saying fetus’ are not human... you’re the one who is deluded. I neither said nor intended any such thing.

Being “living human cells” is absolutely NOT the criteria for the dividing line between murder and not-murder. Not for abortion. Not even in other legal circumstances. And there are excellent moral reasons why that is the case.

My effort is that you are making a subconscious effort to believe something, and if you believe the opposite, you will feel incredible guilty and cognitive dissonance.

Well it’s nice that you project your personal means of making decisions onto me, but it does not apply.

If abortion was murder I’d feel no pangs of conscience concerning any action I’ve ever taken.

Explore the argument for why a fetus is human. Try imagining that it is true.

I have done so, I did so a very long time ago. Possibly as long ago as to be before you were born.

The criteria to “be a human” for the purpose of being murder if you end something’s life are....

a) It must be human b) It must be capable of living independently so long as 1 human consents to support it with the things it needs to live c) It must be sentient at least to the level of receiving stimuli, processing a response, and responding.

Early term fetus’ fail 2 of 3 (if the pregnant woman does not consent). Late term fetus’ fail 1 of 3. Adult “vegetable” coma patients fail 2 of 3.

So I’m happy for “life support” to be turned off for the vegetables and early term fetus’ so long as the responsible human decides to do so....and I’m happy for even late term fetus’ to be aborted should there be good medical reasons to do so although I require more safeguards there.

This isn’t my first rodeo. You’re going to have to do better than calling me a Nazi to change my mind. You’re going to have to understand how human ethics works for a start.

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[–] TheGreasyPole Objectively Pro-moderate filth 0 points 1 point 2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but a fertilised egg in the womb requires that the woman who has that womb continues to provide it nutrients and otherwise agrees to provide it the inputs it needs to grow into a baby.

If she does not do so, if she refuses to provide those things it doesn't become a baby. So human intervention and agreement are required for it to become a baby, if an already grown human does not do so it doesn't grow.

And your red blood cell has the same situation. If a human intervenes to take the genes from it's nucleus, and inserts them into an egg, and implants the egg in a human females womb... that red blood cell can "become a child" too.

Admittedly this takes MORE human intervention than in the other case. But ultimately, it's in the same position. Given the agreement of other humans, and their providing of the things it needs to become a baby, it too can become a baby.

A fertilised egg does not become a baby by itself, it only does if another (already adult) human agrees to essentially "make it grow". Where they decline to do so, no baby.

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[–] TheGreasyPole Objectively Pro-moderate filth 0 points 1 point 2 points 7 years ago * (1 child) | Copy Link

An embryo is already fertilized. An egg is not.

Thats true, but makes no difference here.

There are in fact millions of fertilised eggs out there in various liquid-nitrogen cooled flasks. No woman is under any obligation to incubate them either.

The point here is that there remains... for the eggs in flasks, and for the egg in the womb, and for red blood cells... a neccessity of adult humans providing things to turn them into babies. When a human refuses to do so, it doesn't become a baby.

There is nothing "automatic" about it, and there won't be until you can put a fertilised egg on a table and come back 9 months later to find a baby has grown there.

You can't take the DNA from a red look cell and put it in an egg, it has no nucleus and an egg only has half of the required genetic material.

Yes, I realised after I'd typed that there was something odd about red blood cells ( I couldn't remember what) that made them unsuited to this. I should've used a skin cell instead, or hundreds of other examples to illustrate the same point.

However, this doesn't affect the argument.... as I'm sure you'd be arguing the same if I'd used a skin cell instead.

Once they egg is fertalizrd it will grow to a child in the majority of cases without any specific intervention

OK, lets prove what you're saying is true. Lets get a fertilised egg. Put it on a table. Watch it grow into a baby!

The fact it doesn't shows that further inputs are required.

An unfertalized egg is a different matter, but you don't abort an unfertalized egg.

No, but if a human provides it an input (in this case sperm) it too could be a baby! Do human males now have a requirement to have sex with a woman to provide that input ? Is he "murdering a baby" if he does not ?

So how does that differ from a woman refusing to provide her inputs to the process ?

The point here is you are continually trying to ignore the fact that in order for the fertilised egg to become a baby a woman has to agree to provide further inputs for 9 months.

If she declines to do so, no baby.

Unless she takes action to aborting the baby or kills/ starves herself the fetus will grow.

Yes, if she agrees to providing inputs the fertilised egg will grow into a baby.

Just as, if a man agrees to provide inputs and a woman agrees to do so too an unfertilized egg will become a baby too.

And if a woman refuses to provide those inputs the fertilized egg will not become a baby.

And if a man and a woman both refuse to provide inputs the unfertilized egg will not become a baby.

There is no situation a red blood cell can become a child, even with genetic engineering as they lack nuclei.

OK, well lets use skin cells. Again, with the right inputs that humans agree to provide they can become babies too!

We don't hold out that refusing to provide those inputs is therfore "killing a baby" because the skin cell is not a baby, nor is an unfertilized egg, and nor is a fertilised egg. NONE of those are babies.... although they ARE all things that "can become babies" if humans agree to provide the inputs necessary to do so.

[–] Deus_es 0 points 1 point 2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"There are in fact millions of fertilised eggs out there in various liquid-nitrogen cooled flasks. No woman is under any obligation to incubate them either." Those are unfertalized eggs, once again that is the main difference you don't seem to understand. The eggs that are frozen only have half the required generic material, as does sperm.
"OK, well lets use skin cells. Again, with the right inputs that humans agree to provide they can become babies too!" No, that is not possible whatsoever. If you want to argue any cel can become a baby you would be talking about a pluripotent stem cell and right now the only cells that can be pluripotent stem cells are fertilized embryos within the first couple of weeks of fertilization. We have not been able to get any other type of cell to revert to a pluripotent state. No cell, besides a fertilized embryo, will become a baby in its natural state. The fetus that is a pluripotent stem cell follows genetic instructions to divide an form the cel lineages that become each organ system. A skin cell cannot do that, it cannot become a neuron. A fertilized embryo can and will become every type of cell in the human body. "Yes, if she agrees to providing inputs the fertilised egg will grow into a baby." Once the egg is fertilized she has already provided the input by having sex and fertalizing it. You are confusing an egg with a fertilized egg. The female egg has half of the genetic material, and if. It fertalized will be discarded at the end of the woman's cycle. A fertilized egg will not be, instead it implants in the uterine wall. "No, but if a human provides it an input (in this case sperm) it too could be a baby! Do human males now have a requirement to have sex with a woman to provide that input ? Is he "murdering a baby" if he does not ?" No, because you do not seem to grasp that a sperm is not a fertilized fetus, it only has half of the genetic material. Without an unfertalized egg it will die. An unfertalized egg and a sperm are not a fetus, you cannot abort either. When they combine you have a fertilized egg/ fetus. At this point, if left alone in the womb it will become a child, baring medical abnormalities.

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Whenever humans want to do evil, they trick themselves into doing so. The dehumanization trick was used to enslave, massacre and murder.

Just because the red pill has become nihilist does not mean we don't understand morality. It is not part of a red pill's platform, but it is part of its recognition of reality. That women are human, and humans are awful. Women only love until they feeeel it. And they can always rationalize away the feelings associated with the awful things they do. You can spot the rationalization efforts.

According to US CDC stats, 99.7% of abortions are not done for any legitimate reason (like self-defense against rape or medical reasons). 99.7% of the time, abortion is killing a child for your convenience. Observing the various rationalizations for murder (it wont feel it, it might be unhappy, etc.) is farcical.

TRP may be amoral, but to me, abortion is a disgusting, inhumane, and anyone who has done it should be ashamed of themselves, regardless of religious creed.

[–] VermiciousKnidzz Blue Pill Man 1 point 2 points 3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

say your sibling needs a kidney to survive some horrible accident or disease. no one can force you to give your kidney. it just wouldnt be right to force you to undergo that procedure. abortion is the same idea. no one can force someone to have a pregnancy. the right to terminate is very necessary for the same reasons your right to not donate a kidney exists. there are many more legit reasons to abort beyond rape or medical reasons.

if you're so against abortion, surely you are also as supportive of birth control and sex education? as the USA becomes more accepting of real sex ed and birth control the abortion rate continues to decline, except in areas where birth control is hard to get and kids are only exposed to abstinence-only sex ed. abortion rates were the lowest ever under obama.

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it isnt rationalization, it is a fact

All rationalizations seem like facts. Otherwise, they wouldn't be very good rationalizations.

You seem to be thinking I'm debating you on your stupid argument that babies are parasites and we should kill babies. I'm not.

What I'm saying is facts don't matter. People believe in causes all the time that are not based on facts. And even the ones that do, don't believe in those causes because of the facts, but because it feels right. Humans aren't fact machines. We believe what we want. There is a functional component to the beliefs we choose.

I know your argument is full of holes. But I'm not going after them. This is not a debate. I know that those don't matter. What I'm trying is to get you to recognize that your argument is only supposed to make you feel better about something that would tear you apart with guilt if you did not have this rationalization.

This is the portion that is comparable with the dehumanization that Slavers and Nazi's employed. That is not to say that you are as bad as the slavers (though you are lmao), but that you are using the same aspect of human psychology on yourself in order to bypass your socialization and commit something you would see as a travesty otherwise.

The difference between you and an abortion-hater isn't that you are right or they are, but that you have a rationalization to justify your murder and they don't. When they do, they'll be hypocrites and murder just as well as you.

The particular rationalization to kill doesn't matter.

[–] JezebeltheQueen5656 Crushing males' ego since 1993 1 point 2 points 3 points 7 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

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Yes, THEY CAN.

This is the difference between male and female communication. Making a point supercedes all emotional considerations short of punching the other guy, and sometimes even includes that.

This is locker room talk. That women ruin.

This is why men have insights. And invent things and make great observations. And address the ugly challenges of nature and reality that women would never do.

Women just commiserate.

You particularly just want a hugbox. Not a theoretical discussion. Not a debate. You want to be outraged. You want to rehabilitate someone.

how can you dehumanize women like that?

THE IRONY. This entire discussion, which you don't seem to understand, is about the process of dehumanizing. Not judging the effects (though I do agree with OP that abortion is wrong), but in fact, identifying and agreeign on the process of dehumanizing before proceeding the debate.

The point is we can dehumanize anyone. You, me, babies, fetuses, women, jews, blacks, you name it. And then we can do horrible things to them. THE OP WAS FUCKING SHOWING YOU that this is the method "how you bypass your socialized guilt instinct".

You are shocked how we can dehumanize BASED ON OUR HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE OF THE RESULTS OF DEHUMANIZATION. You don't even get the point of the example. You are just shocked as a feminist anyone could address women as less than the holy protected objects removed from nature, evolution and the harshness of reality. You do not understand when people point out that you are dehumanizing, just like others are... and then you mock and instigate the other person to not take you seriously. Poor show.

Use the following to have a good discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_humanity

http://www.kwesthues.com/regiftedxmas12.html

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[–] ArcheryDude101 0 points 1 point 2 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I think that both of you are simply misunderstanding each other. I will agree with Jezebel that women do have a right to their own bodies (as does anyone). But I must disagree with the fact that people should have the right to abort a baby. As a male, I do not know the perspective of a female of this matter, due to the fact that I am not a girl/woman. However, I do know the basic, old tenets of masculinity, including the fact that men are not just supposed to, but are required to by male honor to take responsibility for any messes they make, even in this day and age. While this idea is old, it does have relevance in this debate. I am a believer that women are just as capable as men in anything that they do, and are more than capable of living their lives just as honorably as many men in our society do. That means that if they consent to have sex before they are able to take care of a baby, they should take care of the child along with the man, who would be bound by this law too.

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Is that so? A kid is a human, not a parasite as you so described. In order for it to be human, the kid must be alive, and as a result, you can say that it is murder at that point. No one has or should have control over another persons life. From what I read, you believe the same thing with women, and I completely agree with you on that point. No one but the woman to whom the life belongs to should have even a modicum of say in what that woman must do or be. You and I share many similar beliefs, however, its not fair if those beliefs are applied only to a select group in a larger population. The quickest route to true equality is through leveling the playing field. As long as we try to get privilages for some groups and not others, the longer something as beautiful as true equality will take.

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[–] ArcheryDude101 0 points 1 point 2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The kid does take nutrients from the mother who recieved those nutrients from the food she ate, which either came from an animal or plant. In other words, all she does in the process is carry the baby, nothing else. The baby is merely hitching a ride until birth, at which point, the mother can choose to willingly give up the baby for adoption. The baby is a completely different being, as proven by genetics, tethered to a mother who made bad life choices and isn't willing to face the consequences. Why should an innocent child have to give up their life so that the mother can take the easy way out. Men who make bad life decisions are expected to work through them, why can't women be as well? The only situation when I would concur with your current position is if the mother was raped and carrying the baby might result in mental health problems like depression.

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Vasectomies are illogical due to the fact that they are considered permanent and for good reason. If you wanted to reverse a vasectomy, you need to undergo complex surgery. Also, the child is innocent. The baby literally did not do anything to create its own existence, its parents were to blame for screwing up. If you screw up, then you fix the issue, not push the issue onto someone else. Having sex is a commitment, and not following through with said commitment if the least desirable outcome happens is your fault and you have to take responsibility. A new mother may see it as punishment, but to the baby, it is quite the opposite. The baby may not be sentient at that stage yet, but it is still human, and quite helpless until it is born. The only time when I would actually be okay with abortion would be when the baby is just a clump of cells(really early in the pregnancy). No one has the right to anyone else's body and while the baby depends on the mother for nutrients, it was both the father and mothers decision to put a sperm cell in a position where it may meet an egg cell. If you can make the decision to engage in reproductive behavior, even for pleasure, don't you think its wrong to have to kill a person in order to make yourself feel better about engaging in risky behavior?

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Where in the fuck did I even mention or reference Roe vs. Wade haha

My mistake. I assumed you knew the history of the abortion issue, if only in passing. The "survival outside of womb" standard you are using starting being a law and simultaneously a prominent pro-abortion argument after Roe vs Wade. Not before.

So I assumed you had heard of the law, heard of the standard that the law uses to allow abortion, but were only mistaken about the reasoning behind the standard (which has been endlessly criticized and dismissed, as everyone knows there are practical reasons the law was passed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade).

But it seems you don't know the law. You only heard of the argument in passing. It looks like you are just hearsay. Your version of the Roe vs Wade standard makes the litmus test for life the ability to survive outside the womb.

For that, I challenge you to produce a single medical professional, anywhere in the world, who will uphold your definition of life.

A single biologist on planet earth, who says

If it can't sustain itself outside of the womb, it isn't alive

and I will concede.

At that point, its not worth it to argue with someone so stupid. Just say "i will commit murder and i need no reasons."

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The fetus is a couple of cells in a bag, not a life form with limbs and a head etc. I don't feel bad about ovulation and ejactulation going to waste. Some people don't believe the mix bag of cells is a child.

Your drama is uncessesary. Men cheat / abuse / violate etc just as much as much if not more than women. I don't agree there's a fairer sex. All humans have the capacity to be shitty. Cheating / violence etc is always shitty.

But an abortion isn't always shitty. An abortion isnt a moral outrage. Most people...men included (billions of men) have little problem with it. Your moral outrage is akin to being upset about stem cell research. Only the truly outrageous people are pissed. Also, youre so crazy that you go on and on about other shit that's not relevant to the stream (women are the fairer sex, cheating and losing love for someone etc). Those aren't the same in the slightest. Most people at least think they love someone and work cheat until it "happens". Abortion is not rationalized in the same manner. Most people decide early on (adolescence) what their stance Is and stick with it. It's not "rationalization" to agree with a widely accepted and understood reasoning in favor of abortion.

I do not wish to argue with you.

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Fetus is a genetically complete unique individual of the human species, unlike a blood cell or a spark.

Assuming you meant sperm, no it’s not.

A sperm is just as genetically distinct as a fetus. Like them it’s a unique combination of human dna that will not recur.

A sperm is not just a copy of its Male makers dna. It’s a unique combination in its own right.

It meets the dictionary definition of person.

It does not. Assuming you’d be prepared to accept Wikipedia as a fair reference point...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

A person is a being that has certain capacities or attributes such as reason, morality, consciousness or self-consciousness, and being a part of a culturally established form of social relations such as kinship, ownership of property, or legal responsibility.[1][2][3][4] The defining features of personhood and consequently what makes a person count as a person differ widely among cultures and contexts

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It is destined to grow into an individual, given just months. It is actively in the process.

ONLY if a single actual person (the mother) consents to giving it all the inputs to do so.

If she does not, then it will not grow into an individual.

If she elects to remove those inputs, it will never be a person in the way that term is defined.

We’re what you said above true.... fetus’ removed from their mother in an abortion procedure would grow into full persons in any case and so they’d actually be no moral debate about abortion.

A sperm and blood is not in any way comparable

They’re comparable in that they are living things that are also human. (Your original point). They were intended to show you that “being human” is not a sufficient condition by itself for”murder”.

Do not make a mockery of biology to say that a fetus is the same as a blood drop or skin flake.

I’m not saying it’s “the same”. I’m addressing your initial point. They are not “the same” but they are equally human.

You need your rationalization. Just recognize that and admit that its not waterproof. You depend on it to not feel guilty and so you'll write this un-nuanced garbage and pass it off as a valid scientific opinion.

OK, can we stop projecting your personal means of making decisions on everyone else, assuming they work the same way you do.

That’s not the cause of our disagreement.

We differentiate between humans and worms. Liberals are disgusting to the lengths they'll go.

We do!

And how we do so (worms are not sentient) is an important part of the ethical debate concerning abortion and other ethical dilemmas.

I’m trying to draw your attention to how this is worked out, which involves factors other than “is human” and “is unique” and other things.

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And there are a multitude of other subs devoted to those topics.

They say that sometimes women's worst enemies are other women. You are literally criticizing women for coming to a forum where they can share traumatic experiences like rape, assault, and abuse that they might not feel comfortable sharing with anyone in their personal lives. Maybe they don't have family members they can trust. Maybe they are low on friends.

You probably see yourself as different than most women. Not as weak and irrational as the rest. You pride yourself in that difference. I'm going to be very direct with you in case no one has about this before in your life:

You are cold hearted.

I'm not even going to blame you for how you became like this. I have no doubt in my mind that it is a result of your upbringing. I'm sure you learned that emotions and the such were for the weak. It is genuinely not your fault.

I will say that it is your responsibility to grow. I don't expect you to open up to me and admit anything in a conversation like this, but I challenge you to think about how you became calloused. I know that it feels safe to maintain those walls and not let the messiness that comes with being emotionally dynamic entails. However, you are living life missing out on a significant part on what it means to be alive.

I have a therapist and it has helped me grow leaps and bounds in my own emotional maturity. I recommend it for everyone. We all have ways that we can grow and the stigma around going to a therapist is a snare on our society. Please consider it. (And it doesn't have to be expensive.)

I wish you the best.

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There are multiple subs for rape, assault, divorce, feminism etc. too.

The point is that this is what liberal women have constructed as a CORE part of their identity. Being victims. It's reflected in the fact that on a general female topics thread, women are overwhelmingly talking about victim narratives.

I don't like that. I find it gross. I mean, many women get raped, many women get abused. But most don't, and it's ridiculous to consider this a part of the 'female experience' and something that needs to be a core part of our identity.

I like being a woman. I don't feel discriminated against often. I like men doing things for me because of chivalry or whatever. I don't care or believe in the pay gap. I don't think I have a huge chance of being raped if I behave responsibly and safely. In short, I don't think my life sucks and that I'm oppressed.

So I guess I just don't see it the way they do.

But I'm very happy. So it's strange that you say that I should go to a therapist.

But anyway, I go to confession, and I believe that's helped me with emotional maturity. I've thought about these things, and have arrived at what I think is a well thought out, mature, position.

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Sharing your story isn't basing your identity on victimhood. Do you think these women spend every second of the day wallowing on their forum, the way TRP and MGTOW and Incels do? Are you by any chance projecting?

Let's take a look at the current threads on TwoX:

“When men imagine a female uprising, they imagine a world in which women rule men as men have ruled women.” -Sally Kempton

Empowering women is not toxic.

I'm a male who was raped several times by two older boys between the ages of 11-14, I wanted to report it so bad but never did. I understand why many of you didn't.

Huh. A male victim sharing their story in a community designed to share these kinds of stories. Is that "pathetic and toxic?"

My Wife Works at a Rape Crisis Nonprofit and They Are Getting FLOODED with Survivor Calls

Huh. Another man sharing a positive story about his wife.

With everything going on, I have to say this somewhere. I’m a 20 y.o. Male and a month ago I was raped by my therapist

Hmmm...

I was raped by my husband 46F support

Here we have a woman who was subjected to marital rape. She's looking for support from the community. Is that pathetic or toxic?

The rest of the threads appear to be women (and men) sharing their WhyIDidntReport stories.

I'm sorry that people trying to work through trauma is "pathetic and toxic" to you. Would you prefer it if they wrote fanfiction field reports about all the hot babes they definitely boned in real life for real?

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Thanks for taking the time to prove my point.

The point is, this is not how normal people behave. If my friend group and I were to have a women only online chat space, it would not include repeated instances of subjects like rape, abortion, domestic violence etc. The reason that this is the case in TwoX is that these women place their collective identity above their individual one. So whats the point about talking about stuff like fashion, cooking, gossip, movies, etc? Better to talk about things that fit the victimhood narrative that is being constructed there as THE core part of female identity.

And it's not even exclusively support sub, thats the thing. It's a sub for women. To discuss women things.

Also you are acting like I'm a TRPer. a) I'm not a man. b) I'm not pill affiliated.

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Doesn't matter whether they see it as murder. Criminals often don't see what they are doing as crimes.

how science-based vs superstitious your system of thinking is.

Neither science nor 'superstition' is supportive of Roe v Wade laws. Babies become living, breathing human beings in most manners of the word in the first trimester. They become human persons (develop early consciousness) in their second trimester. Your ''bunch of cells' excuse only works for the first few weeks.

Fortunately we can all agree that rape, abuse, violence towards and murder of people who have actually developed into humans is horrifying and that certain ideologies increase the likelihood of these acts occurring.

But yeah, sure we can agree on that. Of course, I don't believe the red pill advocates this stuff. And let me be clear, I don't like the red pill. But nor am I going to participate in typical liberal hysteria.

There are a lot of hate filled echo chambers on reddit.

All I'm saying is that it's a question of values. People in power get to decide whats right and whats wrong, and it's often based on their personal biases. For me, TwoX is much worse than TRP, because it actually cheerleads and promotes murder (abortion), while TRP just promotes some toxic ideas.

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It matters how people see it when what they are doing is not a crime. I don’t really know what’s up with the American laws in an up to date way so I can’t comment much on what you’re talking about re: Wade vs Roe except to say that the whole world isn’t the US and doesn’t hinge on the validity of that case. People in power decide what’s right and wrong with the input of and pressure from the people they serve if you’re lucky enough to live in a democracy. Anyway I invoke science here because if most people believe killing a grown mammal to eat is somehow not murder, then terminating some frogmush in the uterus is certainly not. I don’t mean to get into a mad off-topic debate but I really think your characterisation of what those people you’re talking about are doing is unfair and coloured by unsupported beliefs. It reads as though you believe those who support the right to abort before a certain gestation period actually enjoy it frivolously or do it just because they can, and encourage others to do the same. It’s a ridiculous caricature of living breathing women with a life changing decision to make.

I don’t believe TRP advocates for what I mentioned either, except for basically being by definition nothing but a textbook on how to abuse.

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Yeah, I do think it's totally cool, because I also think it's totally cool for people to decide if and when they want to have children, and not cool for you or anyone else to tell them otherwise.

See, you think you're being "shocking" and stuff with your description. What you fail to realize is that our society condones the killing of human beings all the time. Cops kill people. The military kills people. People kill themselves. Corporations spew poisons into the air that give people cancer. Companies manufacture weapons which are capable of murdering dozens of people at a time, which we as a society have somehow determined it's a god given right for everyone to own, yet everyone acts surprised when a crazy person does exactly that. Prisoners, soldiers, entire families wiped out by drone strikes, people dying of aids or cancer or drug addiction, all of which could easily be stopped if we just gave a shit as a society - none of you right-to-lifers give much of a shit when all these people die, but suddenly when it's a fetus you do? Sorry but I don't buy it. The truth is you people don't actually give a shit about unborn fetuses, and you know how I know? Because you're the same people who fight against sex ed, and birth control. Don't tell me you give a shit, because you don't. If you really did you'd do something about it, like support sex ed, give out free condoms to teenagers, etc. But you people never do that, because it's not about saving children's lives with you people, not really.

So no, killing a person before it's even a fucking person is not murder, any more than cooking an egg is the same as cooking a chicken. That's dumb.

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Exactly.

And you can't actually have this real conversation about the limits on actual free speech online. It's impossible. Not because you can't start talking about it...

But because when you do Americans can't stop making it a conversation predicated on the first amendment, and telling you "but corporations are allowed to do what they like stopping people speaking freely, because they're not the government. So they can just go ahead, it's legal and right that they close of whatever speech they want to close off, and remove it from the public commons".

Witness this thread. This has already been said a dozen times by a dozen posters, at a bare minimum.

There isn't a free speech debate you can have in a space dominated by Americans that can in any way deal with any threat to free speech that doesn't come from the government. To them that doesn't exist as a problem, even whilst they watch speech being banned and restricted in all sort of places they personally use to speak.

It's bonkers. "Oh, we've got perfect free speech. The govt. doesn't interfere. It's just that everywhere I personally speak it's restricted completely by private companies 99% of the time to only things they want to allow to be said".

Private companies that are allowed to make money off of becoming the venue of the common public conversation should be legally expected to protect free speech within it.

Not, perhaps, to the absolute level of the 1st amendment for governments. It could not go that far. But private entities should not be given free reign, to subvert the common conversation by censorship because they can make more money from a censored public conversation than they can from an open one.

So much of our public space and conversation is now mediated by private corporations and entities that if free speech is not protected there .... then we don't have any free speech worth having.

Companies that offer fora for public discussion that form part of the common public square should be treated with special rules and protections.... much as we do Journalism (or used to do for Journalism in the US). They have additional responsibilities, and should legally be treated that way.

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Some of us (Americans) do want free speech online as well. The moral issue comes from (as you've read 1000 times) us telling them what to do with their property. Let's say some dude is screaming random shit at your house. You have the right to kick him out, no? Same deal with these places online.

I think some sort of healthy medium needs to be reached, but the truth is that it's mostly in the hands of consumers. People can CHOOSE to go to a website that follows the principle of free speech. People can also choose to stay here where free speech is trampled on if you don't follow the same politics as the owners.

However, this sucks for the individual because I can't just make everyone go to pro-free speech platforms. Most of them will stay here / on Facebook simply because they're lazy, and many of them don't WANT free speech because they think some shit should be censored.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's say some dude is screaming random shit at your house. You have the right to kick him out, no? Same deal with these places online

That’s the point. If they’re monetising the public commons it is no longer “their house” but a public space we are allowing them to make money off of.

The equivalent is not someone’s house. The equivalent is a public square, used for public gatherings, that we allow people to sell beer at.

The beer sellers should not, then, be able to restrict access to the public square purely because they think it will increase their beer sales.

People can CHOOSE to go to a website that follows the principle of free speech. People can also choose to stay here where free speech is trampled on if you don't follow the same politics as the owners.

Not if you’ve sold off all th public squares to beer retailers.

Our public square these days is the internet. There is no portion of it that isn’t controlled by somebody. We have to have protections from those somebodies.

However, this sucks for the individual because I can't just make everyone go to pro-free speech platforms. Most of them will stay here / on Facebook simply because they're lazy, and many of them don't WANT free speech because they think some shit should be censored.

It’s worse than that. The spaces that are “free speech spaces” are only so because no-one is there.

If you persuaded everyone to leave Facebook and join Voat (say) the moment they’d cornered that space, they’d do the same thing.... fuck with it however they need to in order to increase profits.

Just as Reddit, Facebook and Twitter did.

That’s the monetisation end game for everywhere even if some sites haven’t reached the end game portion yet.

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I’m not worried that we’ll get quarantined or banned. I think that’s extremely unlikely if even one admin reviews our content and notices it’s a debate sub and not a proponent of either side.

I think the issue for us will be losing our last major source of new blood since TBP has more or less wound down.

TRP will get banned, and we’ll gradually lose relevance and fade away until it’s just regulars posting and we die off through lack of interest. That, I think, is the real threat to us.

EDIT: From an admin comment on the quarantine thread...

In evaluating a subreddit for a possible quarantine, we consider what it is dedicated to overall. That is, a few off-color comments do not warrant a quarantine, nor do heated conversations or even controversial themes overall. Instead, quarantine is intended for subreddits that are explicitly dedicated to things like racism or anti-semitism, misogyny, hoaxes, gore/extreme morbidity, and other extreme communities that may have received multiple warnings from us and have not made efforts at change. We’ll continue to evaluate on case by case basis.

Having never received any admin warnings or demands to change our content I think were safe.

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The plot twist this time is that there is a new shiny quarantine appeals process.

Moderators will be notified via modmail if their community has been placed in quarantine. To be removed from quarantine, subreddit moderators may present an appeal here. The appeal should include a detailed accounting of changes to community moderation practices. (Appropriate changes may vary from community to community and could include techniques such as adding more moderators, creating new rules, employing more aggressive auto-moderation tools, adjusting community styling, etc.) The appeal should also offer evidence of sustained, consistent enforcement of these changes over a period of at least one month, demonstrating meaningful reform of the community.

Previously, there was no way to come back from quarantine status. Quarantine behaves sort of like a voluntary-access private subreddit. If you're not opted into the quarantined subreddit, you don't see posts or comments there in anyone's comment histories.

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Why? It's just quarantined. A quarantine gives the reddit company the ability to say they've washed their hands of it and have been completely reasonable and still allow free speech. TRP can just stay exactly as they are today within the quarantine. What's the big deal? They only have to kowtow to get the quarantine lifted. It's not some sort of timebomb or existential crisis. They can just stay under quarantine and keep the riff-raff out.

I get that RPS has already put work into his server, but he's just running off of irrational fear mongering and sunk cost fallacy at this point. Frankly it's pretty much like running a donated discord server at this point. You don't even have to have a verified email to access quarantines anymore.

Complaining about a one-time click to access TRP vs going and creating a whole new account elsewhere that has no apps and will be hacked to kingdom come and harvested for kompromat in short order is just plain silly.

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I think /r/GenderCritical is an interesting case. They're very much a hate sub. But they're also TERFs, which, for those in the dark, are people who hate men so much they can't stand the idea of trans women.

So you have a sub filled with hate speech against men, much of which is undeniably transphobic.

No quarantine.

Would a sub that was primarily transphobic have received a quarantine? (Genuine question. I'd rather not google "TransHate reddit" to find out.)

If it stands to reason that such a sub would be quarantined, does that mean that the transphobia was balanced out by... misandry? That only by the virtue of hating men they allowed to continue their hate trans women?

No. That's ridiculous. No sarcasm.

Who goes around saying "Today, I'm going to balance out hate in a conscious and measured fashion!"?

Nobody.

We process mountainous amounts of data every day. And we deal with it, by ignoring most of it.

We're influenced in ways beyond our control, every single day. It takes a lot of practice, time, and energy to withstand it in a logical, empathetic manner.

Most of us run on automatic. We're mostly water, and we follow the path of least resistance.

Turns out, it's safer to quarantine a sub that's said to hate women than it is a sub that's said to hate men. It's so damnably regressive, but it's not the result of a purposeful agenda. It's just people reacting to people reacting.

Small things matter. Every instance of hate hurts us. If it's the journey, not the destination, and humanity is a project that will never reach its conclusion, then everything is exponential. Including hate, in whatever direction.

[Edit: Yeah, fuck it, I lost the thread a bit.

Point being:

/r/GenderCritical wasn't quarantined!

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If you believe in a center right economic system, the presumption of innocence as a judicial standard that should not be replaced with mob justice in the court of public opinion, and any semblance at all of individual rights and responsibilities, the contemporary left in this country has demonstrated their open hostility to all of these ideas. None of these have anything to do with race. If you are white, black, Hispanic, and you own a dick, you are are presumed guilty by these people. You are an aggressor, a rapist in waiting, and you do not deserve prestigious employment no matter how hard you're worked for it - you are to be held guilty (whether or not you are eventually exonerated as innocent is immaterial, you'll still be punished as guilty) for the sins of your fathers.

They are not objective and they are not fair. They will employ publications like the New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, The Guardian, Salon, Slate, Vox, The Atlantic, The New Republic, and Politico to relentlessly push their message and nothing else, despite there being completely credible, relevant, rational reasons for skepticism. They will employ platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit to take down conservative forums at the slightest whiff of rule violation, while leftist subreddits that routinely call for violence (see: /r/latestagecapitalism, literally every fucking day) regularly get to the front page and somehow escape the banhammer.

Because these people want two sets of rules: One for people who agree with them, and one for people that don't. The Kavanaugh hearings have drawn a fucking line in the sand. I don't know if he's guilty, but this cabal of people who feel entitled to political power, to the power to dictate to you how you must live your life and what you must believe will stop at nothing to get it. They are dangerous and they should be fought with extreme prejudice.

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The TRP sub is lame and has been for a looong time, don't really care too much about the quarantine since reddit liberals have always been little crybabies who can't stand the existence of other opinions.

What gets me though, in a humorous way, is the little banner talking about "positive masculinity." As if any of the men who complain about so-called toxic masculinity have a drop of any masculinity whatsoever in them. What these manchildren conceive of as "positive masculinity" is nothing more than crying that men should be docile and doormats for women. Which isn't surprising, since they feel incredibly insecure about their own inability to live up to a masculine image so they have to recreate masculinity where their impotence becomes inner strength, their timidity becomes stoicism, and their weakness becomes patience. They have to convince themselves and others that their weakness and shortcomings are actually positive.

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Makes sense. I know I don't hate women, which is a prerequisite for misogyny, though I do hold many of the views of TRP. Like the fact that hypergamy exists, women don't feel true love (the disney fantasy where love is eternal and unflinching).

Yet despite believing these facts many would call me misogynist for espousing bellies they disagree with. As if they can know how I "feel." Unless I actively state "I hate women" then you nor anyone else has no idea how I feel, or anyone else from TRP feels regardless of what opinion they aspouse.

I'm basically saying all this is the reason that I dismiss anyone who claims a group is a "hate group" if that group doesn't outright admit it, like the KKK or something. Hell, I believe that you can even hold some of the beliefs of the KKK without feeling hate, ignorant as they may be. This coming from a black man.

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The thing is that you can't swipe left on hypergamy because women generally seek a man of higher status. Pretty much all the statistics bear this out.

A female laywer isn't going to seriously date or marry a male manager at Mcdonalds no matter how much "chemistry" they have.

Couples where the women makes more than the man have significantly higher rates of divorce.

The highest reason for couples getting divorce isn't abuse or neglect, what you'd expect if hypergamy didn't exist. It's exactly what you'd expect in a world with hypergamy. Money. "Financial reasons."

Simple facts that many would deny. Yet reality doesn't care about how you "feel" about the facts.

And you are right. Men, all things being equal, would prefer a more attractive partner than an uglier one. However that's another conversation all together. Here is the simple reality.

Men aren't dating men so that information obviously isn't relevant to them. Also no TRP man is going to reject an otherwise good woman because she is 2 points down the SMV totem than he is. In fact most men marry below their SMV. Which makes sense since it's much harder for men to get SMV than women. Women start with extremely high SMV and most men have to work their way up the ladder. They have to gain confidence, work out, get money, etc. A woman just has to exist and not look like a whale.

But the REAL most important point that NEEDS to be address by TRP is the way in which society treats this. Yes, men prefer more attractive women but they are shamed for having preferences and told to accept a women no matter what she looks like. Told that it is shallow for having physical standards.

I grew up in America. That's the narrative that society pushed. Society encourages men to ignore their "hypogamy". Men evolved to prefer youth, beauty, and health. Yet we are actively discouraged from judging women by those standards. We also evolved to spread our seeds as much as possible. Yet we are also HEAVILY discouraged from this by general society.

This truth coupled with the fact that women are ENCOURAGED to act on their hypergamy and told it's a good thing leads to disastrous results. They are told they are princess and queens and "deserve" a top tier men. So it creates this huge disadvantaged system.

Men are taught to choose mates like Disney princesses. Disney princesses don't really see physical appearance outside of gender. They see what's on the inside. Disney princess love eternally, unflinching, unconditionally. A disney princess or queen would love their husband even if he turned into a frog. Warts and all.

Yet this is the exact opposite of how women behave. Many won't even look at you if you don't seem to have money or some other symbol of status like good looks or charisma. Some trait she can use to show you off to impress other women. For those that do choose lower status men, they will drop you for the most hypergamist of reasons. Like...."he doesn't make enough money to support the lifestyle I think I deserve. So I'm going to fall out of love."

That's why TRP is needed. And that's why there is no "swiping left." If men swiped left on all women who displayed hyergamy there would be no women left to swipe right for. All men would be MGTOW.

Hypergamy, Hypogamy, these are just fancy words for "human nature." No women is beyond human nature. We can suppress them if put under the right situation. Like the Amish. Probably the most Nawalt of any group. Yet when put under the right situation everyone is subject to that nature. And we live in a society which encourages women act on that toxic nature which is both damaging for themselves and men.

Society doesn't function well under hypergamy. Many are left out of the race, including women who grow old and lonely because their standards were too high because they can't see themselves as anything less than a "queen" that deserves a 6 foot tall man with a six pack that makes six figures. And those that do settle for less are often not happy with that decision and end up divorcing because they are all over social media and comparing themselves to others. Social media being the buffet to feed hypergamy.

Unfettered hypergamy in society is a lose lose for everyone. Can SOME succeed? Sure. A man that consistently makes six figures, has good charisma and leads well MAY find a decent looking woman who acts feminine and is loyal. But the game is severally rigged against that outcome. And even if you do find that it's likely to change when that couple falls on hard times.

Without TRP society and gender relations as a whole is really going to degrade, creating an army of angry men and women who legitimately hate each other because neither know how to or care to give each other what they REALLY want. I can't see things ending well.

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TRP is going to continue doing what they have been anyway which is show up in other subs so their POV is still going to exist. Reddit is a product, a brand so it was an optics decision. If anything if I was a TRP big name I would be happy about it. And they can re-organize into another sub and dance the persecution boogie or do some night of the long knives here in PPD. The men here don't really wants chicks around unless they are confirming a TRP position they bitch about laydee people lying especially when they are trying to actually blah, blah their truth.

This is rooted in their disgust that none of the PPD women appear to be average enough so they are considered useless to interact with.

So TRP can easily come here and shove the other bird eggs out of the nest. Either PPD will become a new home or could end up being proxy targeted by Reddit. Much though I like some individual people here I am hardly going to lose my mind if something happens to it, it is just a sub you can find a new sub whether you are PPD or TRP.

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Lol, not anti free speech fuck off I got banned for voicing my opinion so yeah, chat as much shit as you want, trp is just as bad as any other right wing subreddit, not open to any sort of discussions and immediately ban you for offering alternate views

Yeah no. I spent two years challenging the sub. The only time I got banned was when I was wrong.

We ban users for being morons who are unable to understand the content. I know it took me a solid two years to get it, so it's understandable.

It's sort of like a detox program. Sometimes you relapse, other times you just want to get high etc.

Eventually attendees begin to see the light and accept treatment. And then we tell them that white men are superior to blacks.

I have no idea who GLO is, but the racist and white supremacist aspects is no one user, it's many. Your blatant lies might work in trp, but not here buddy

K.

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Can you link me to some ceddit deleted things that were removed?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SRSsucks/search?q=menslib&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on

All the links you could want, some times ceddit does not work as mods removed things before they could be saved(had to be there at the time I guess).

I don't see a lot about women.

Their is lenty if you do more than just skim.

They talk alot about mens feeelings which is maybe why you hate it so much?

Don't assume my motivations, I have no problem with them discussing emotions, but their discussions to end to be a toxic masculinity circlejerk that fails to mention the part that women have in encouraging the the stereotype of boys don't cry.

But more so their discussions fail to achieve anything productive in terms of lessons learned or solutions thought up (like most of their threads).

I don't get the purpose of r/srssucks

Read the side bar.

Their is also r/MensLibWatch it just concentrates on menslib stupidity but its only been around a bit so has only a fraction of the links srssucks has.

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I'm reading further an I really can find anything like wet blankets

What does wet blankets mean in this context?

Also I remembered that some threads are also deleted, I guess that things will look differently to someone just checking out the sub today rather than someone that has read it since its inception.

does this need to be explicitly mentioned?

It does for balance when you get circle jerks that solely blame men, and any discussion about how things can be fixed aren't going to work if you focus on one cause without even acknowledging another that has possibly contributes just as much.

MensLib seems to avoid the blame game which I get some people won't like.

They blame plenty, but only menslib approved targets.

and your SRSsucks sub seems to hyperfocus on any extreme unpopular comment.

I think it focuses on the absurdity of menslib, like this thread wherein the guy talks about getting abuse in feminist spaces for being a male rape survivor...but then goes on to recommend feminism to everyone or the various times mods have swooped in to delete comments/lock threads and ban people when people talk about experiences that cast feminism/feminist thought in a bad light for example.

Personally I think the mods are the main problem, discussion is stifled and at this stage the only people left in the sub are people that 'toe the party line' so to speak, a middle sub with reasonable mods is needed, r/mensrights has a tendency to get too angry at feminism etc. while menslib is the opposite and basically an offshoot of feminist subs but with a thin veneer of ''we are helping men!!!''

I've open to be proven wrong

I doubt that but, I think if you really look at the srssucks stuff involving menslib mods you can see a clear bias, its hard to see on menslib itself due to all the censorship.

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Self flagellating fools that wanna suck on feminisms cock

I've seen plenty of that in r/menslib lol.

As I understand it its primarily a man space no?

Not really, at least a few mods are female(unsurprisingly the ones that often ban/delete the quickest) and plenty of women show up and get a far better reception than any male would get in a feminism sub...its at times embarrassing to read, i'm almost expecting to see every single comment get gilded lol.

Talking about what women can do to an audience of men seems pointless?

Not at all, a lot of the male behaviour that menslib laments like being too stoic for example is something that women very much have a hand in enforcing...but you will barely see that discussed at all let alone great detail, as far as menslib and its mods are concerned, patriarchy is the cause of all mens problems ever.

alas, my laziness is more superior than my curiosity

I can understand that, I have to say, some of the stuff makes for morbidly fascinating reading, some real gems of double-think can be found.

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The problem men now face with the current structure of Feminism is the lack of that same support from women. Women are just as responsible for trying to inflict male gender roles onto men as men are themselves. Men see the double standard being shown and that is what helped spur the support for someone like Trump.

Current Feminism is not treating men like they did women, men are both as a class the victim and perpetrator. Where women as a class were just the victim. It's hard to elicit change from a group/class of people if they are just going to be vilified.

Mens issues are not as important to society, its a fact; a sad fact but none the less its true. Once we can shift the focus from male villainy to male victims then change will happen. We need Feminism to step up and stop the rhetoric so men can elicit change. This article was a perfect example of what I am talking about, as it discusses the problems men face by blaming men at the same time.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/95e9ke/women_changed_too_many_men_didnt_what_happens_next/e3ttnak/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/95e9ke/women_changed_too_many_men_didnt_what_happens_next/e3sum44/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/93oyty/menslibs_official_position_on_the_mens_rights/

We, however, do acknowledge that there are some branches of feminism and individuals that carry the banner of feminism who present problems not only for men but to the feminist movement itself. There are certain feminists like Mary Koss and Andrea Dworkin who have had some, for lack of a better word, controversial arguments attributed to them during their heyday, including that men cannot be raped (Koss) and that all heterosexual sex is coercive and akin to rape (Dworkin). There are feminists who use the movement as a cover to espouse hatred towards men and that such animosity is integral to true understanding and full participation in feminism.

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Title	r/TheRedPill quarantined
Author	Hystericalprince
Upvotes	113
Comments	885
Date	September 27, 2018 7:28 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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