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Yes. That's one of the only things I would lie about and even a therapist I was seeing recommended me to lie, saying "In general, you should never let people know that you are a loser".

There's a saying, "Trusting is good, not trusting is better". Maybe someone will not mind that you are a virgin, but I don't want to run the risk. I could always say that I met one girl in the past who really fancied me, approached me and did everything herself, she was drunk etc... some shit like that, it doesn't have to be anything majestic. Actually, something small would be more believable.

Plus come on, it doesn't take a degree to see that there's is a stigma on adult male virgins and it certainly isn't seen as a good quality.

Everytime I confessed to some friend I was speaking with that I was a virgin, I came home feeling like shit, as if I had revealed something intimate about me that should have been kept private. This didn't happen when I lied.

Also I don't want to broadcast that I am a fucking alien. Even if someone isn't bothered by the fact you have never stuck your penis inside a vagina, they will still act shocked, and I don't want to spend the next twenty minutes talking about what makes me different than 95% of people.

Lie if it leads to a happier life.

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"Someone" will accept the past. Yeah, and they'll filter out 99% of potential people until they find that unicorn someone that's okay with it. If you're 25 and you've never had a gf before, the vast majority of women are gonna balk, so you should lie about it, and I would encourage every single guy to lie about it. Women don't understand that for guys, life circumstances, life difficulties, situations, can get in the way and make things difficult. They've lived in a universe where getting a partner is as easy as fishing. I honestly don't think it's worth telling the truth to someone who won't understand or appreciate it. Not to mention all the non-romantic partners who will look down on you for it.

There is zero reason to be truthful about this.

And its not the same as telling sluts to lie.

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Is that really what happens though? In my experience the non committal fuck boys act like full committal choir boys, get laid a few times, get caught cheating, say "I’m sorry I’ve just got all these demons my gold fish died in the third grade and nobody ever loves me the way I love them I got scared that’s why I slept with another girl"

Then they kind of do a soft break up, he weasels his way back in then reveals himself as a non committal fuckboy at which point the girl has caught feelings and she endures this until she either chooses to have a hoe phase or finds some guy who is actually committed.

Mean while the "nice guys" are too timid to shoot their shot, or they’re batting out of their league, or they’re just plain socially inept and come off as creepy because they can’t read social cues.

All the guys I knew in high school/college that got laid a lot were running boyfriend game and didn’t reveal their real nature until they got laid

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https://www.sexandpsychology.com/blog/2013/2/1/sex-question-friday-what-percentage-of-women-reach-orgasm-fr/

That's not a source.

Thanks for your question. Unfortunately, I cannot point you to a scientific source for these statistics because I am not sure where they came from and I don’t think they are completely accurate

Literally starts out by saying that this number doesn't even have sources she can find and then goes on to say that the "75% can't cum from penetration" number is too high - which supports my position

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/ReproductiveHealth/sex-study-female-orgasm-eludes-majority-women/story?id=8485289

Again this is not a real source but an article talking about a study.

A study which was actually looking at two older studies from 1924 and 1940 - long before the sexual revolution happened.

Sure, before women were even expected to enjoy sex 75% did not have an orgasms during PIV sex, but I'm obviously not talking about a hundred years ago.

https://blogs.iu.edu/kinseyinstitute/2019/01/24/how-often-do-women-orgasm-during-sex

Still supports my points that most can

Specifically, when asked about intercourse in general, 22% of women said they never experience orgasm. By contrast, this number dropped to 14% for “assisted” intercourse (i.e., when clitoral stimulation was specifically included), but increased to 37% when asked about “unassisted” intercourse (i.e., when clitoral stimulation was specifically excluded).

22% that can not cum from intercourse still leaves most that can

I found Herbenick and she says it's 36% in her abstract.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2017.1346530

Which again proves my point that most women can

36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse

36% that state that clitoral stimulation was needed, which still leaves 64% that can cum from penetration without clitoral stimulation

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Why does it matter if it was before the sexual revolution? Anatomy hasn't changed in 70 years.

Anatomy hasn't. But sex has.

Back then women weren't expected to enjoy sex. It was seen as wrong and sex was something for men to enjoy.

The sexual revolution allowed women to enjoy sex and we started to realize what the G spot is and that women can have orgasms.

It matters a lot if it was done a hundred years ago or after feminism happened.

You're misreading these data. It's saying 37% can come from just PIV, not 88%

You are misreading these data.

22% of women said they never experience orgasm... increased to 37% when asked about “unassisted” intercourse

37% state that they never experienced orgasms with unassisted intercourse, which means that the majority did.

You're also misreading these data. she wrote 'While 18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm" not 64%

Again you are misreading it.

18% stated that intercourse alone was sufficient

36% stated that intercourse alone was sufficient but that additional clitoral stimulation made it better

36% that clitoral stimulation was necessary

Here let me cite it:

18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm, 36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse, and an additional 36% indicated that, while clitoral stimulation was not needed, their orgasms feel better if their clitoris is stimulated during intercourse.

It's pretty clear that you misunderstood it.

18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm.

36% indicated that clitoral stimulation was not needed, but that their orgasms feel better if their clitoris is stimulated during intercourse

36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse

18.4 + 36 = the majority which can cum from penetration

36.6 = the minority that can only cum via clitoral stimulation (which would also be lower if they got fucked right)

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You didn't link to research, you linked to articles about research.

This is problematic because they make mistakes. For example

https://pleasurebetter.com/orgasm-statistics/

They falsely claim:

81.6% of women don’t orgasm from intercourse alone (without additional clit stimulation). Only 18.4% of women report that intercourse alone is sufficient to orgasm

But their source actually says:

While 18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm, 36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse, and an additional 36% indicated that, while clitoral stimulation was not needed, their orgasms feel better if their clitoris is stimulated during intercourse.

36.6% reported that they require clitoral stimulation, while the rest reported that intercourse alone was sufficient (18.4%) or that intercourse was sufficient but that additional clitoral stimulation made the orgasm feel better (36%)

Most women in this study reported that they can cum from intercourse, but the article falsely reported that 81% don't cum from intercourse.

https://www.sexandpsychology.com/blog/2013/2/1/sex-question-friday-what-percentage-of-women-reach-orgasm-fr/

They use studies that were done before the sexual revolution happened.

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So I'm liking to articles about studies but you are simply saying "they falsely claim" with no additional explanation or links

Are you blind? I gave you a lengthy explanation and the link to their sources is right there next to that statement

Here let me try again:

They falsely claim:

81.6% of women don’t orgasm from intercourse alone (without additional clit stimulation). Only 18.4% of women report that intercourse alone is sufficient to orgasm

But their source actually says:

While 18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm, 36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse, and an additional 36% indicated that, while clitoral stimulation was not needed, their orgasms feel better if their clitoris is stimulated during intercourse.

36.6% reported that they require clitoral stimulation, while the rest reported that intercourse alone was sufficient (18.4%) or that intercourse was sufficient but that additional clitoral stimulation made the orgasm feel better (36%)

Most women in this study reported that they can cum from intercourse, but the article falsely reported that 81% don't cum from intercourse.

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Brody et al 2010: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515331520

In a representative sample of the Czech population, 1,000 women reported their vaginal orgasm consistency (from never to almost every time; only 21.9% never had a vaginal orgasm), estimates of their typical foreplay and PVI durations, what they were told in childhood and adolescence was the important zone for inducing female orgasm, their degree of focus on vaginal sensations during PVI, and whether they were more likely to orgasm with a longer than average penis.

Multivariate analysis indicated the most important predictors were being educated that the vagina is important for female orgasm, being mentally focused on vaginal sensations during PVI, and in some analyses duration of PVI (but not foreplay) and preferring a longer than average penis.

In this sample the vast majority reported that they are able to achieve vaginal orgasms, with only about 1 in 5 never having had one. 12% have one nearly every time they have sex, 15% more than half the time, 22% a quarter to a half the time and the rest less than a quarter of the time.

Costa et al 2012: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1743609515338327

Three hundred twenty‐three women reported in an online survey their past month frequency of various sexual behaviors (including PVI, vaginal orgasm, and clitoral orgasm), the effects of a longer than average penis on likelihood of orgasm from PVI, and the importance they attributed to PVI and to noncoital sex.

Likelihood of orgasm with a longer penis was related to greater vaginal orgasm frequency but unrelated to frequencies of other sexual behaviors, including clitoral orgasm.

Women who prefer deeper penile–vaginal stimulation are more likely to have vaginal orgasm, consistent with vaginal orgasm evolving as part of a female mate choice system favoring somewhat larger than average penises.

Out of the 323 women 160 reported that they have had a vaginal orgasm, which is about half of them.

Brody et al 2011: https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)33296-3/fulltext

Women (N = 258, predominantly Scottish) completed an online survey reporting their frequencies of various sexual activities and corresponding orgasms, age, and the prominence of the tubercle of their upper lip.

An important caveat to this is that no matter how prominent a woman’s tubercle was, she was still more likely than not to have had a vaginal orgasm before. Specifically, at least 2/3 of women in each tubercle group reported having had vaginal orgasms. Thus, having a flat tubercle certainly does not mean a necessary lack of ability to orgasm—it just means a somewhat lower likelihood.

Here again the majority of women reported having vaginal orgasms. I couldn't find exact numbers, but in the group with the lowest rate of vaginal orgasms it was still about 2 out of 3 that have them.

Drasa Jr 2016: https://www.ijsr.net/get_abstract.php?paper_id=NOV162749

The present sample consist on 1275 coitally experienced women.

Women who reported that they were more likely to reach orgasm from PVI with a longer than average penis reported having more vaginal orgasms within a previous month compared with women for whom penis size is not importan

Women’s frequency of vaginal orgasm is associated with preference for deeper penile-vaginal stimulation, as indicated by greater importance given to longer than average penises

In this sample of non-virginal women only 5% stated that they never had a vaginal orgasm or that they have too little experience with PIV sex.

Herbenick et al 2017: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2017.1346530?af=R&journalCode=usmt20

While 18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm, 36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse, and an additional 36% indicated that, while clitoral stimulation was not needed, their orgasms feel better if their clitoris is stimulated during intercourse.

In this sample 18.4% reported that they can cum from penetration alone and another 36% that they can but that their orgasms feel better with additional clitoral stimulation. Which again is more than half.

Additionally 69.9% of the participants stated that vaginal intercourse is the most appealing aspect of sex.

Brody et al 2008: https://doi.org/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2008.00786.x

In a sample of 94 healthy Portuguese women, vaginal orgasm (triggered solely by penile–vaginal intercourse) was associated with less use of DSQ-40 immature defenses. Vaginal orgasm was associated with less somatization, dissociation, displacement, autistic fantasy, devaluation, and isolation of affect. Orgasm from clitoral stimulation or combined clitoral-intercourse stimulation was not associated with less use of immature defenses, and was associated with more use of some immature defenses.

A comparison of women (N = 69 who engaged during the past month in penile–vaginal intercourse) who had at least one vaginal orgasm during the past month and those who did not, revealed that women who reported at least one vaginal orgasm in the past month had less immature defenses (Cohen’s d = 0.81; large effect size), Isolation of affect (d = 0.91), and Autistic fantasy (d = 0.82) (all t(67) > 2.7, P < 0.01), less use of Devaluation (d = 0.78) (t(67) = 2.6, P < 0.05), and marginally less Displacement (d = 0.57; medium effect), Dissociation (d = 0.56), and Passive aggression (d = 0.58) (all t(67) > 1.89, P < 0.065) than women who did not have a vaginal orgasm.

69 out of 94 women in this study reported at least one vaginal orgasm during the past month.

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https://www.sexandpsychology.com/blog/2013/2/1/sex-question-friday-what-percentage-of-women-reach-orgasm-fr/

Although the exact numbers vary quite a bit across studies, there are indeed some women who report never having climaxed in their entire lives. For example, this number was 10% in Alfred Kinsey’s pioneering research on human sexuality in the 1940s and 50s [1], and 3% in a recent national survey in Sweden [2]. Most other studies I have seen have yielded numbers in between. Thus, the statistic you heard about half of women being anorgasmic (i.e., lacking the ability to orgasm) simply has no basis in reality.

This link actually supports my position.

The Swedish study they cite also says

But the ability to reach orgasm (Table 3) solely by penile movements in the vagina was age independently reported by about 55%

In this study, 51-57% of women achieved orgasm though penile penetration alone, and 50% through clitoral stimulation alone

55% is most women, so this again supports my position. Especially as more women reported having had an orgasm through penile penetration than through clitoral stimulation.

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It seems like some men on here want a women who has standards but throws them away for them which explains the whole I don’t want a hoe or slut however if she doesn’t sleep with me within the first two-three dates she’s leading me on and using me mindset some men on here have. When realistically if a woman sleeps with every man she goes on one to three dates with that’s the easiest way to rack up a body count and become the hoe or slut they don’t like and look down upon because let’s be honest any person can hide their intentions for at least 1-3 dates.If a woman is genuinely selective with who she sleeps with she’s most likely not going to let a guy fall through the cracks and will wait longer because that’s truly not how she is & she is truly vetting the guy. I’ve encountered this irl when I’ve had conversations with men when ive had the unfortunate experience of believing I could trust them when I asked about my past which was a mistake when I said the truth that I waited until 21 to have sex and due to that I’ve only slept with two men both who I waited months to take that step with the two men I told this too told me I was a liar and that I was hiding something upset me because I wasn’t. They wanted to be the exception & were upset when they weren’t.

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I spent a day with my old friend and her sister at an event. Another girl I had never met joined us later, and boy was she exhausting. She’s a big girl, dressed up in a big costume, with no sense of her surroundings, and she moved very slowly. People got stuck behind and front of us, because she just stopped at random halls and doorways to do… nothing.

My friend started to behave like her sister and the new girl, completely disorganized and disoriented. I began to feel stressed because people were angry at us, and because every single thing we did took so much time. The last straw for me was when we went to toilet, but the new girl decided to stay behind. It took us more than 30 minutes to get to the toilet, and then she decided that she would actually like to go as well.

It was interesting because I have been wondering why my old friend doesn’t invite me to events with her when she goes with her sister and new friends. But she is so different with them, and I can now see that I’m not a good addition to their entourage.

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It seems the female vaginal orgasm is the topic of the day, so what say you, bruhs? Do you want a woman capable of piv orgasms?

Well, get u a woman with a short CUMD (distance between the clitoris glans and vaginal opening)!

Data from two independent samples, collected over 70 years ago and more than 15 years apart, support the notion that the distance between a woman's clitoris and her vagina influences the likelihood that she will regularly experience orgasm solely from intercourse. Women who reported more regularly experiencing orgasm had shorter CUMD measurements than did women who reported not experiencing or less regularly experiencing, orgasm in intercourse.

These results suggest that some of the variability in women experiencing orgasm from intercourse without concurrent clitoral stimulation reflects, as Bonaparte suggested in 1933, the consequences of embryological processes that determine the position of the clitoris relative to the vagina. Thus, some women may be anatomically predisposed to experience orgasm from intercourse, while the genital anatomy of other women makes such orgasms unlikely. While other factors, such as the sexual characteristics of a woman's partner, undoubtedly influence the likelihood of experiencing orgasm solely from intercourse, these data suggest that for some women their genital anatomy strongly influences the occurrence of orgasm in intercourse. ROC and discriminant analysis revealed that CUMD can serve as a reliable and sensitive predictor of the likelihood that a woman will experience orgasm in intercourse.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3894744/

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https://www.livescience.com/23785-penis-size-matters-orgasms.html

A new study finds that women who have frequent vaginal orgasms are more likely than other women to say they climax more easily with men with larger penises

Women who tend to prefer penile-vaginal intercourse over other types of sex also say the same.

https://www.thrillist.com/sex-dating/nation/posterior-fornix-cul-de-sac-vs-g-spot-orgasm

What's being named the cul-de-sac is the area at the back of the vagina, behind the cervix.

The vagina balloons out when a woman is sexually aroused, and space opens up away from the cervix, leaving room for penetration and friction. If you haven't opened up yet and you hit the cervix (bottoming out), it's less than fun. But if you can wind your way down this new Lover's Lane, you can happily park it at the cul-de-sac for some excellent sexing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_fornix_erogenous_zone

The anterior fornix erogenous zone (also known as the AFE zone, AFE, A-spot, epicenter, deep spot or second G-spot) is a female erogenous zone that when stimulated can lead to rapid vaginal lubrication and arousal, sometimes without any other form of stimulation, with continued stimulation resulting in an intense orgasm

https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sex/a-spot

Its depth is why some call it, colloquially, the deep spot.

“People who have experienced orgasms through deep vaginal penetration have likely had an A-spot orgasm,” says Dr. Sadie, adding that they’re usually more intense and longer lasting than G-spot orgasms.

“I’ve always needed really deep, rough penetration in order to orgasm,” says Sam F., 23. “I didn’t know that what I was experiencing was likely an A-spot orgasm until I found some article online about it.”

https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bju.15416

As a proxy for reducing penis length, we artificially reduced the depth of penetration by using different sizes of silicone rings around the base of the man's erect penis.

On average, reducing the depth of penetration led to a statistically significant 18% reduction of overall sexual pleasure with an average 15% reduction in length of the penis.

In conclusion, based on experimentally reducing depth of penetration, our results are consistent with the experience that size may matter for sexual pleasure in some women in a healthy relationship when there is penile shortening.

In a minority of women, shortening may increase sexual pleasure. On average there is a significant reduction in sexual pleasure with reduced depth of penetration which is moderated by the penis length.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23006745/

Likelihood of orgasm with a longer penis was related to greater vaginal orgasm frequency but unrelated to frequencies of other sexual behaviors, including clitoral orgasm.

Women who prefer deeper penile-vaginal stimulation are more likely to have vaginal orgasm

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proper bikes with stronger

Depends but the thing is I don't know what are your local prices so I recommend you to ask in some subreddits.

What I recommend you before buying a bike is if you have a friend or family with a mtb, is to test it.

For gear you basically need

• pants with decent padding for the butt, sport t shirts

• either a small backpack our a small bag on the bike to carry your phone, keys, repairing stuff for the tires and the bike

• a red light

• shoes for mtb, nothing fancy but something made for the sport

For the bike it is just basically is the frame that is from the brand and the components that are from other brands (brakes, cassette, chainring, seat, wheels etc).

So you will have to look what brand offers the best deal.

Another thing to consider is you can update stuff on your broke quite easily, I personally will buy a new bike that is around 800€, quite good except the brakes, that are good enough but not too steep hills like a small mountain port, so I will probably update them in the future.

Then there are stuff you don't know till you have been biking for sometime, like for example, cable disc brakes suck and it is better to avoid them.

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Because part of marriage is often making sacrifices for the other person, and traditionally women sacrificed their personal earning power to boost their husband's opportunities.

Thinking of older divorcees I know, one of them worked part time while her husband worked full time when the kids were little, with the understanding that the kids needed someone to be available and that her career would never fully recover. But it shouldn't have mattered, because they were in it together. Then he left her for a 20 year old when the kids were grown.

Another put her husband through law school and then was a SAHM for a few years with the kids before returning to work. Again, they were in this together, so it was okay that she nerfed her career, right? Well, he eventually felt she was holding him back from his crossdressing dreams and left her.

Both of these are older women who are seeing seriously reduced circumstances in their old age, even with some alimony, because they'd planned their lives as a couple. They can't make up for the lost career opportunities. The ex-husbands in both cases are doing extremely well financially, even counting alimony payments.

With a less set family structure now and a different labor market, there's more times when alimony might be inappropriate or where the husband is actually the one who should get it, and that complexity makes it trickier to always get right. But even today, in the majority of cases, it's the mom making the career sacrifices so that the husband can have his career and the kids aren't neglected.

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I don't think this study got any attention here, so I post it, but I haven't read it yet.

Past research implicates adaptations in women to assess men's willingness to invest in offspring (La Cerra, 1995). In two new studies, women's evaluations of an opposite-sex target as a long-term partner and short-term sex partner were negatively impacted by viewing that target ignore a baby in distress; this effect occurred for men in Study 1 only. Men's short-term sexual attraction to a female target was not affected by context. In Study 2, women responded similarly to a man vacuuming and to a man interacting with a happy baby. Neither sociosexual orientation nor sex-role beliefs moderated participants' sensitivity to targets' behavior. Women more than men appear to display a general sensitivity to an opposite-sex target's good character.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237536985\_Women\_More\_than\_Men\_Attend\_to\_Indicators\_of\_Good\_Character\_Two\_Experimental\_Demonstrations

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Many single moms who are <21 years old have had some issues with their parents growing up, and felt the only way to escape was to make an attempt to start a family of their own. Unfortunately for whatever reason the baby daddy ends up not being around and reality sets in. Then those women try to "correct their mistake" by wanting a man who doesn't have kids of his own but hopes to start a family. I think those women who end up in that situation should have no one to blame but themselves. Personally I think they are selfish asf wanting a man with no kids.

Sure single moms can be with someone. Problem is they have such an entitlement attitude. They will say something on their dating profile like "I want a man to love my child as if it were his own...". Why dont they just be honest and say "Do you want to start with a premade family?" or something?

Society always praised these women who got pregnant at 17, ended up single, and now have their own business and 2 houses. Good fucking job but a certain wise man said the famous quote "You're average at best." There are blogs about the "benefits" of dating a single mom ("Shes taking time away from her kids to be with you, so you know she is serious.") So what. End of the day, you are trying to rob a man from being in a serious relationship with the ability to spend time with you and do spontaneous things, all because of a stupid decision you made.

Single moms are definitely not HVW, even if you became a billionaire. Maybe a divorced mother has a little more value. Single moms still want a man for his resources and his money, while she only brings extra mouths to feed to the table. They have no right to have extra demands or set the bar high or have such high standards. The only man who will entertain them are those men with no better options (yes...like me).

Fuck 'em. They are no good and have no return on investment. Avoid them, no matter how good they try to present themselves on Tik Tok (they really do be trying lmao).

Young single moms are the worst.

Inb4 some wannabe feminist says "bUt whAt iF sHes wiDoWeD?"

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My rule is a girl can be as slutty as she wants with women, since I too have no problem with that. But I draw the line with LTRing a slut with men. I don't see that as hypocritical. I would consider myself hypocritical if I indulged in sucking dicks, which I don't. Anyone who wants to call me that can blow chunks.

The whole thing is stupid and tautological. Women will shift the conversation every which way just to advantage themselves. If you say that men and women having sex isn't the same because women have more repercussions or whatever (basically just put women in the victim position) and they'll agree with you. But all of a sudden sex for women and men is exactly the same when they want to shame men for having preferences. Curious. Sex for men and women is both the same and different, depending on what they want to believe in that specific moment. Then they'll just try to hide it by claiming nUaNcE to shield their own hypocrisy. But any nuance on why n counts are different for men and women don't count. Mhm.

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it is very easy. casual sex for women is bad because they practically gain nothing from it.

it is the same for men and women in the way that it demonstrates how the person detaches sex and love. THIS detachment of sex and love is the main reason people don’t want a partner with promiscuous history. Men do not care about wether it is beneficial for women or not. No man will say "i don’t like promiscuous women because they engage in something that does not even make them orgasm 90% of the time" they will say "i don’t like promiscuous women because of pair bonding issues" or something like that.

Some women have the same standard and will also say they don’t want a promiscuous man, because he has demonstrated that he detaches sex from love. This clearly occurs in both genders and is why women are also entitled to have this preference.

Bottom line is it demonstrates detachment between sex and love in both genders.

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Women here obsess over "incels" and think all lonely sad depressed men are one step away from a mass shooting.

N count comes up a lot in discussion cause its a topic that causes a lot of controversy, argument, discussion, and heated debate.

If it didn't do that and everyone agreed on it, it wouldn't come up as much. For example, everyone agrees tall = attractive, wealthy = attractive, so there's not so much debate over it here, everyone has kinda accepted it's a fact of life, even if it's super unfair (cause you don't choose your height), but we all agree it is what it is, so we move on, and there isn't much debate.

But when the topic of low N = attractive in women comes up, lots of women get upset by this, there's a lot of argument and debate, that's why the topic keeps recurring.

I wouldn't necessarily call it obsession or insecurity.

What kinds of things would you prefer people talk about in this sub?

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I just don't empathise or respect that viewpoint. I don't have to. I think it reeks of solipsism from the gender that has an easier time getting sex and relationships and failing to understand the perspective of the gender that has a harder time getting those things and has to work harder to obtain them.

You're free to want what you want. I'm not holding a gun to your head and saying you HAVE to accept a guy who's never had a gf. But at the same time, I don't have to respect that view point, because I don't agree with the logic behind. I think, (no offense) it reeks of dishonesty because in reality you're trying to use false logic to hide what is really an ick factor. You see guys without girlfriends as little boys, you don't see them as masculine, you don't find it attractive, but you don't wanna appear shallow, so you try to hide it with logic.

Like I said, I'd advise such a guy to lie their ass off cause I have 0 respect for the women who hold such preferences. There is no obligation to respect someone's preferences. Women seethe at men who have N count preferences or age preferences, well it's the same deal.

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I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying in my personal view, you are trying to use logic to hide your ick factor at a man not having had a gf.

I think you find such a man unmasculine, so you use the argument you used to justify not being attracted to them.

For the record, I think it's also a bad argument, because how can a guy get experience if he gets rejected on the basis of having no experience? If you give a guy with no experience a chance, he gets experience. Of course you have no obligation to give anyone anything, I'm just pointing out the fault of that logic.

You're free to reject whoever you want for whatever reason. You're free to reject a guy for anything. But I'm not obligated to respect that or respect that reasoning.

I think it's unfair, because it essentially means past a certain point, a guy with no experience can't get any experience and gets permanently locked out forever? Of course life doesn't have to be fair, dating doesn't have to be fair, women don't have to be fair or give every man a chance. But from a man's perspective, this is a struggle that's uphill and uphill and we gotta play our cards to our advantage. If this involves lying about never having had a gf, or lying about being a virgin, so be it.

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Better to be lonely than with someone who doesn't like who you are, right?

I don't know if it's even an ick, but I can imagine that a single mother or a divorced woman might feel like dating a virgin who never had a girlfriend isn't good for her. I think you should respect that. They might actually have their reasons. What do you care? And do you really want a virgin to go there through lies? You think virgin men can't find virgin women who are better matches? Because I don't think they all need to die alone. I also think that men should prioritize relationships early on if they can. If they don't want to be lonely, they have to work for it. It makes all the sense in the world for a woman to choose men who work for love in a reasonable time. There are always exceptions, and I can make room for exceptions. I do think it's important to look at the whole package.

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Better to be lonely than with someone who doesn't like who you are, right?

Well if she doesn't know he's never had a gf before, she won't have that ick factor. And they might have a great amazing relationship out of it, he'll never be a virgin afterwards, and they both get something out of it.

I don't know if it's even an ick, but I can imagine that a single mother or a divorced woman might feel like dating a virgin who never had a girlfriend isn't good for her. I think you should respect that.

I don't respect that. She can have whatever standards or preferences she wants, I'm not obliged to respect them.

What do you care? And do you really want a virgin to go there through lies?

I think it's very much in his interests to do so.

You think virgin men can't find virgin women who are better matches? Because I don't think they all need to die alone.

Yeah, how hard is it gonna be to find someone like that when he's 30? He can do what he wants but my advise to him would be to lie. Women will NEVER understand men on this issue, women will never have sympathy for men on this issue. I find it hard to sympathise or respect any woman who looks down on men for being a virgin or not having had a girlfriend before. In fact I have zero respect for such a woman, and don't really value or consider her interests at all.

I also think that men should prioritize relationships early on if they can. If they don't want to be lonely, they have to work for it.

Spoken by the gender who lives their whole life with 50% of the population hitting on them and trying to get with them. You have no idea how hard it is for men, and no understanding or appreciation of the male experience when it comes to relationships, and it borders on solipsism.

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and no understanding or appreciation of the male experience when it comes to relationships, and it borders on solipsism.

It's the opposite of solipsism. I know that men are willing to approach women when they want something and make it happen. Women may not feel as strongly, but I know men do If he can't be nearly prepared by 30, then it's likely he doesn't want ramce and intimacy with women the same way men typically do. Exceptions will exist, and I can understand that.

I don't respect that.

You don't respect that because you fear a man might get left alone. But you should respect it, because your fears are usually unfounded and because relationships between a man and a woman who knows she's too different from him will almost never turn out well.

I think it's very much in his interests to do so.

I actually trust women's judgment and I think if a woman decides that a virgin is a bad match, she's probably correct and her decision will be best for everyone.

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I don't respect your views at all, I don't consider them to be valid from my point of view. You're free to have them, but I simply don't respect them, I don't agree with your logic and reasoning, I don't respect your logic and reasoning, and I don't see any values in your views on this matter. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's how I feel.

Like I said, I think you totally neglect, misunderstand and fail to grasp the male experience that could lead to such a scenario, and that's what causes my complete invalidation of that viewpoint, and my resulting conclusion that a guy should just lie about it.

You don't respect that because you fear a man might get left alone. But you should respect it, because your fears are usually unfounded and because relationships between a man and a woman who knows she's too different from him will almost never turn out well.

I have more respect for the man in that scenario than for the woman. I have more sympathy than for a man who deals with loneliness than for a woman who has an ick factor towards virgins. I wouldn't even like the woman who has ick factor towards virgins, honestly I couldn't give less of a shit if she does get lied and manipulated into a relationship with a virgin. (And if all goes well, its not like he'd be a virgin forever).

I actually trust women's judgment and I think if a woman decides that a virgin is a bad match, she's probably correct and her decision will be best for everyone.

I don't. I'd think her judgement is shit. I think her perception of what's a "bad match" means fuck all.

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Life is brutal and cut throat.

No, the people you date and have sex with are not supposed to be brutal and cutthroat. That is a very dangerous mentality to have towards your closest supposed allies. Lovers are supposed to be your team agisnt all of that IMO.

Being a 30 year old virgin and being honest about it because it's what internet feminists tell you you have to do (because they only care about the female advantage) will ensure you become a 35 year old virgin and a 40 year old virgin.

I've never been a 30 year old male virgin. I would probably advise men to try not to wait that long if they want a relationship or sex! That would be good advise. I would imagine there are plenty of women who wouldn't care to just hook up with you, honestly. There are some women out there with not a lot of standards. It amazes me how you can overlook all of this and still say "women have almost all of the power" and "there's no way out but to lie."

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No, the people you date and have sex with are not supposed to be brutal and cutthroat. That is a very dangerous mentality to have towards your closest supposed allies. Lovers are supposed to be your team agisnt all of that IMO.

Lol, read PPD and tell me that the interests of men and women aren't diametrically opposed in the dating game. When women stop making up bullshit reasons to cover their ick factor at male virgins, I'll change my mind.

And they can become partners and lovers and love each other. But that's not gonna happen if she dumps him for being a virgin.

I've never been a 30 year old male virgin. I would probably advise men to try not to wait that long if they want a relationship or sex! That would be good advise. I would imagine there are plenty of women who wouldn't care to just hook up with you, honestly. There are some women out there with not a lot of standards. It amazes me how you can overlook all of this and still say "women have almost all of the power" and "there's no way out but to lie."

Oh you'd advise a 30 year old virgin to have lost his virginity earlier? Would you also provide him with a time machine?

Lol, this argument is so funny. Women know they have the power and want to preserve it and feel NO sympathy or understanding with men who struggle with these things.

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Again, healthy relationships with honesty can exist. Women who are compatible with different types of men can exist. Women who can make good decisions about their relationships do exist. Men have as much responsibility as women do to make sure they are closing that right type of relationship. Y'all do not get a penis pass.

And besides once the relationship progresses, it won't be a lie anymore :)

Because you're so lonely that dating just anyone is a happy thing? Like no. That's not how it works. Being single isn't the worst thing ever. Being with someone you hate gets so, so much worse as the relationship progresses. It could be a lie that has consequences. Lack of past experience might matter even later, depending on context. Thinking that your partner doesn't know shit will definitely have consequences.

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Once again, comments like this are proof that women fundamentally misunderstand what it's like to be a man. Women fundamentally misunderstand the male thinking process. Male virginity is not the same as female virginity. A man isn't seen as pure and innocent for being a virgin later in life, he's seen as a loser. You said men who haven't had girlfriends make bad partners and should be rejected. It's the same fucking thing.

I have no obligation to ensure the world is fair or balanced in relationships. Neither do women. Men have struggles, women have struggles which are completely different.

A guy can have 5000 sexual partners, and its still fine for him to want a virgin wife. Its like saying a guy who's a body builder must only want a woman who's muscular. there are things that are attractive in men, and things that are attractive in women.

The whole "man has to be a virgin to want a virgin" is just hamstering to try to shame men for having preferences.

Let's say a guy wants a virgin wife. But he's unlucky in love. So either he stays a virgin until his late 20's and 30's, in which case he'd make himself undesirable to most women (unless he lies), or he dates, has sex, enjoys his life but sacrifices his preference? What rule of the universe dictates men must accept that dichotomy?

I propose that men do what they want, chase what they want, try to enjoy life to the best they can AND go after what it is they want. If it's hypocritical, well, fuck the universe. There is no obligation to be not hypocritical. There is no obligation to be fair.

if the world was fair, we would all be handed our perfect ideal dream relationship on a platter with no effort. But life is a struggle and a competition, its a jungle, its cut throat. Do you think women play fairly? Nah. They go after what they want when they're younger, and they go after what they want when they're older. Is there anything wrong with that? If there isn't, then there isn't anything wrong with men doing that either.

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Once again, no. You're offering feminist advice based on a just world fallacy. It's not in the interests of men to follow your advice, but it is in the interests of women for men to follow your advice. You're arguing that everything men do should be perfect and balanced and they shouldn't use societal double standards to their advantage, whereas women do do that all the time.

Basically when it comes to virginity, there's the slut/stud dichotomy, where women are looked down on for sleeping around a lot, but guys are seen as studs for doing so. Yes it's not equal, some might even say its not fair.

But there are many inconsistencies in life. The fact that on dating apps its like 90% men and 10% women is another one of them. Women use this to their advantage don't they? Women go after the guys they find most attractive. They don't be like "I'll give non attractive guys a chance cause it's fair". And they shouldn't. They go after the best that they can get.

Men can go after the best they can get. If a guy has fucked 1000 women, and he CAN get a virgin, and a virgin girl likes him back, and he wants her cause she's a virgin, he should 100% go for it. What's he gonna do, reject her and only date women who have fucked 1000 men so that the world can be fair? Sacrifice his own interests to make the world fair? There is absolutely no reason for him to do that.

Secondly, maybe he simply finds virginity attractive. Maybe he doesn't like the idea that a wife has had previous sexual partners.

Now lets say you're a fat guy, and you're attracted to thin women. Should a fat guy only purse fat women to make the world fair? What if a thin woman is interested in him, should he reject her? Why should someone pursue what he isn't attracted to?

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I think if a man and a woman are in a relationship, and the man says, I can sleep around with other women, but you can sleep around with other men, yes, that is hypocritical, or at the very least unsavoury. But some couples are okay with that and have similar arrangements, and I'm not judging, to each their own. Some have a cuck fetish or whatever.

Now let's say there's a man or a woman. They are attracted to certain qualities. Let's say it's a guy attracted to virginity, or wealth, or height, or youth. Or lets say it's a woman attracted to those things. Now let's say for whatever reason they don't have those things. They weren't born to a rich family, they happened to get old, they happened to not be tall, they happened to have sex in the past. You can't change what's already happened or what's predetermined for you. You can't change reality. But the things you are intrinsically attracted to remain the same. You still feel attracted to what you are attracted to. I don't think this makes you a hypocrite.

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For men and women both, you can't seriously look at the state of dating today (especially among gen z) and tell me what we have now is a functioning workable system. Dating and relationships today are insane, the vast majority of my peers, who are normal average guys, enjoy very little success with women. Even the buddies I have who are in relationships hate their lives, a friend of mine is engaged 3 years with his woman and they still fight over "who's turn it is" to vacuum.

Those sorts of childish and constant conflicts are a natural consequence to having zero defined roles in your relationship dynamic. This isn't just about vacuuming floors but literally everything; finances, parenting, core values, decision making ability, etc.

Claiming men and women are the exact same is the root cause for a lot of these issues, women are no less valuable than men but we absolutely aren't the same.

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Rant time

I lost my virginity in my early-mid 20’s. Way later than the average population. Late enough for the virgin mentality and virgin butthurt to set in. I still identify more with male virgins than with sex-havers. The memory of feeling worthless and rejected over being a virgin is still fresh in my mind. I don’t think women here will literally ever understand what it feels like to be seen and see you yourself as a “sexually unsuccessful male” in a sexually liberal society where it’s seen as a right of passage for everyone and you’re seen as a little boy with no life experience if you haven’t done it.

It’s easier to just label such people as incels and potential serial killers than try to actually understand what causes this feeling of butthurt and inferiority.

PPD has convinced me that women will NEVER understand male insecurity. A male can sympathise with a male of the complete opposite political spectrum. But there are so many aspects of the male experience or male sexuality that women will NEVER understand.

They will just say “lmao get over your insecurity” like flipping a switch while hypocritically claiming feminism advocates men being more open with their emotions. Basically, put up and shut up, only women have the right to whine and be emotional over bullshit, but ooooh feminism advocates equality and egalitarianism.

The type of man that feminism moulds men into being is the type they will never date. A guy who’s too afraid to approach women, a guy who’s open about his emotions, a guy who puts women on a pedestal and thinks every woman, even amber heard, is right and every man is wrong. They will never date such a weakling.

Women complain about men approaching them and hitting on them like it’s the most disgusting thing in the world and that it’s harassment. Well guess what group of people are those that never “harass” women by approaching them and hitting on them?

And then they will say the most dumb double-digit IQ comments like “ohhhh men and women are the same” like mouth drooling simpletons while making zero effort to understand the male perspective and dismissing every man with different experiences to women as “incels”.

/endrant

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As I've already said, men and women are more alike than they're different. There are some differences, sure, but they aren't as drastic as some people here like to claim or believe.

I have no issues with feeling sympathy for lonely men, as long as they aren't angry and hateful towards women. I can logically understand why some of them get utterly bitter and angry, but hostility makes it hard to actually feel sorry for them.

And once again incels get hate not because they're virgins, but due to their beliefs and what they parrot. I'd guess most people don't look further IncelTears/niceguys/insanepeople'sfacebook or other subdreddits where the wildest takes get posted to form their opinion about incels. It doesn't help the case that they generate inanse amount of content for these places.

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You also need to consider that studies about social issues may be done by people with an agenda. For example that study about n counts was done by a religious group that advocates abstinence.

I'll give you something that I agree with you on: I do think that the women I encounter in real life are much more similar to men. Still different, especially when it comes to relationships. The women on PPD on the other hand understand and appreciate nothing of the male experience and are radically different.

i don't know which is more representative of what most women are really like, PPD feminists, or women I know irl? I hope it's the latter.

Like, I know women irl who identify as feminists and are really into feminism. They still laugh at my disgusting sexual jokes and have a sense of humour.

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There's nothing wrong with people who are virgins until later ages. I've had male friends who were virgins until their 20s and I never thought there was anything "wrong" with them, they were just more introverted, less social, sometimes more picky about women they like.

They weren't "broken" or anything. Honestly, some of the guys I've seen get the most "toxic" were ones who had gfs early on (like 16), broke up, then struggled to date because they were trying to behave in dating like a 16 year old or were carrying around rage and emotional baggage (which isn't attractive on either sex because any potential partners will have to deal with it).

Society puts WAY too much emphasis on sex as a milestone to adulthood. Yes, everyone should be made aware if the very real, adult, and life-altering impacts sex can have on someone if you're not responsible, but it shouldn't be upheld as a pinnacle for masculinity or adulthood. Imo.

It's common to be insecure over virginity, even for some women. Part of what encouraged me to have sex for the first time was I was going to college and didn't want to be a virgin in that environment; it seemed scary and like people would probably think I was naive or try to take advantage of me. Also, just teenage hormones. But the actual event of getting rid of my virginity—and that it changed nothing about me as a person—kinda showed me that it's way over emphasized as far as how it should or should not determine someone's value as an everyday person.

It does play a major role in dating, no one's denying that, and there's probably a strong "missed the bus" mentality around that. But people shouldn't be finding anyone as "wrong" because they're a virgin.

Like another commenter said, I think part of it is that the only representation of older virgins, in pop culture, is incels or maybe hyper religious people.

Many people are aware of the negatives and hypocrisy around puritanical standards of dating, and we're just now getting larger pools of data on how sexually liberal cultures fare, and like the standards of the past, this norm will have negatives as well. All of them do. That doesn't mean anyone is inherently "defective" simply because they prefer one standard over another.

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Ill try to explain my pov. The reason why i associate(d) older male virgins with inceldom is because literally my only representation of them is incels. I don’t know one male virgin in my life. All my brothers, friends, colleagues, classmates have wives girlfriends flings or whatever etc. from the unattractive ones to the attractive ones. I extrapolated this to the general population. I think most people have some sort of love life. So the only virgins I know of are the ones in the media who have committed attacks in the name of inceldom. So I extrapolated that to the rest of the involuntarily celibate. I don’t think “it’s easier to label people as incels” - people just don’t critically think about the sex lives of other people all that much. Again, I genuinely thought most people were having sex and the ones that weren’t were socially defect in some sort of way because the only representation I’ve seen WERE. It’s only since coming on Reddit I realised what a big population it is and I think it’s mainly in the US.. it seems like there’s a completely different social scene in Europe than the US.

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I get the feeling that when men express these anxieties and frustrations, these insecurities and feelings of inferiority, they just dismiss them as incels and potential serial killers. There's no attempt to understand where they're coming from, there's no attempt to understand why this status feels demeaning for some men.

Instead it's just "lmao have sex" cause their entire life experience is horny men wanting to get with them, so they think it's just as easy for men. The don't realise that for men it's kinda considered a step into manhood, and not passing this step, which is difficult for some, really bears down on you.

Then they hamster about reasons why they wouldn't date a guy in his mid to late twenties who was still a virgin or hadn't had a gf before. To be honest, not only would I say they don't understand and sympathise with the male experience and the male perspective, I would go further and say many of them are part of the perpetuating of this insecurity in men.

The funniest thing is when they say "men and women are the same" while having absolutely zero understanding of the male experience.

I honestly consider myself unique because I make a huge genuine effort to understand women. I've never critiqued women or told them they are insecure or whatever for feeling certain ways or wanting certain things. I come to PPD to understand women's perspective and women's sexuality, with an open mind that they are completely different from us men.

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Loooooool, this is so reductionist, it's bordering on not funny. Yup, every man who struggles with relationships has something fundamentally wrong with him. It couldn't just be life circumstances or life getting in the way. You know what? You'd balk if someone said a woman who's a non-virgin or has had lots of sexual partners had something wrong with her.

Women are allowed to judge men for their lack of masculine qualities (getting lots of gf, getting laid, etc) and make hamstering excuses for why that makes them a bad partner.

Men can't judge women for lack of feminine qualities (innocence, purity) without getting called sexist and misogynist.

And women will defend this double standard while insisting it's fair, and that men and women are the same, and they totally understand men.

Feminism has completely warped the world and the train of thought of the majority. Women can want everything they want and more, can be uber selective, can be brutal and merciless in rejecting people. But men playing the game to their advantage and being selective and making judgements about women is sexist and bad.

I swear reading comments by women here is enough to drive any guy to extreme TRP.

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When I was in middle school, we made obscene sexual jokes, the boys and girls. When I'm at work, we talk about lewd stuff and make obscene sexual jokes, and sometimes the women join in the jokes and laughter.

Yes. When I was in middle school , boys made these jokes. They knew I hated it, but they continued because my distraction and hurt was good for them and stopped me from succeeding. They leered at me, taunted me. In high school, one boy dumped me for being prude. Another boy stole my phone and said I was a cum dumpster because he saw me holding the hand of the previous boy. This happens. I have NO idea why you would expect me or your sister or your niece to laugh at the reminders of these things. I have no idea why you would want to continue this highly unprofessional behavior in the workplace, only to alienate the highly intelligent and ambitious women who broke into your male-dominated field. I don't know why you men pretend not to see how uncomfortable we are. I have no idea why you refuse to stop. But I know, and I see it, too- YOU NEVER STOP. Jesus Christ, it's enough to send a hopeful female engineer (who happens to be faithfully and traditionally married) straight to this sub.

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Wouldn't fit in for work or wouldn't fit in your little friend group?

Both. Everyone at the office, including the women, would hate you.

Because if possessing womanly sensibilities makes someone a bad employee fit for the way you treat your workers, that's a hostile work environment which is not only sexist and harmful but also illegal. This is exactly why men cannot bitch that "women don't go to school for hard stuff like we do" or "women don't work the stressful jobs like we do." Uh yeah bro, because all your frat boy asshole friends do everything in your majority power so that women don't fit. Welcome to "why I'm broke and unemployed." I really hope my next plans work out better than this.

Once again, I'm not a frat boy. Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with having fun with friends and joking around. We're not hurting anyone. If you were super offended by it, we just wouldn't include you in those jokes and conversations. We probably wouldn't invite you to lunch with us. The room would probably go silent mid-conversation the moment you walked in. You'd be a buzzkill.

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I'm conservative in the sense that I don't want to hear about the sex lives of strangers whom I work with. I'm sure I have a feminist streak, because like I said I have been harassed since middle school. I know how women are often treated and judged by these men, so they better be acting like they are JUST as private and innocent as they expect us to be. It's different if you're a comedian, but workplaces are for work, not casual friend shit. Include everyone. Be professional. I don't see what's so hard. There are plenty of ways to joke that aren't sexist or gross.

It just depends on how you define your crude humor. To me, I keep most of it out of work. One boss of mine talked about talking to his girlfriend while he was asleep in bed. That was fine. I can handle something small like that, just nothing that reeks of the men who alienated me or slurred me. Anything that a frat boy would degrade a woman for, as a rule, doesn't belong in the workplace. That's what you get when your gender questions whether women deserve respect or equality in the workplace.

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Wow, glad you posted that. The way it was framed on Reddit, I was thinking she was just dancing alone like AOC. I never would have even looked into it if I hadn't seen your comment.

Marin — who has been married for two years to Markus Räikkönen, an investor and former Finnish soccer player — hugs the man as the club plays the Black Eyed Peas’ chorus of “I got a feeling that tonight’s gonna be a good, good night.”

One witness told the outlet that the “clearly intoxicated” Social Democrat “danced intimately with at least three different men.”

She also “sat on the laps of two different men,” insisted the witness.

“She acted like a single 20-something. It was hard to believe that she is married,” the witness told Seiska, claiming the prime minister was out until at least 5:30 a.m. More On: finland

In the video of her dancing with the mystery man, Marin — who has a 4-year-old daughter with Räikkönen — is clearly wearing a ring on her wedding finger.

Not even a peep from the cuck I assume? Wild how cucking is becoming so mainstream across Western society. Like you can't even complain your PM is acting like a sloot/whore while in office without being called a misogynist. Maybe the constituents are just worried she might whore out other things than just her body that could adversely effect the nation?

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