Women tell men to stick to their league, but women are attracted to the type of men - those out of their league

wtknight · 2022-09-19T03:43:38+00:00

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pablitosocool · 2022-09-18T17:07:05+00:00

I read this sub and thank both the old and new Gods for taking me out of the dating market

DiligentProgresses · 2022-09-18T17:53:56+00:00

It doesn't matter in the long run. If they're not into you, they're not into you and you can prefer who you want to as well.

purplish_possum · 2022-09-18T17:02:33+00:00

If she can get them they're not out of her league. The dating marketplace determines a person's league.

Economics 101.

SolidPuzzleheaded984 · 2022-09-18T16:51:06+00:00

Guys, if she’s skinny/fit and young she’s out of your league if you aren’t at least an 8/10.

ThrowAwayBro737 · 2022-09-18T18:05:18+00:00

Women don't know they're hypergamous, it's comes natural to them. And what's even worse, they assume that men are hypergamous too.

operapeach · 2022-09-18T20:23:09+00:00

Why are you posting pictures of random women to humiliate them? Fucking weird

Stop_Maximum · 2022-09-18T17:05:07+00:00

People will still date whoever they want to date. If it doesn’t include you, keep it moving. What other wants might be available to them, regardless of how crazy it might look to you

mwb111300 · 2022-09-18T17:25:31+00:00

How do you guys gauge your ‘looksmatch’? I truly have no idea where to put myself. Some days I feel like 7 and some days I feel like a 3. I have had just enough validation in the past to believe I’m not absolutely hideous, but presently I feel like I’m not even considered by anyone on the whole 1-10 spectrum. As if I’m below even a 1.

risdeveau · 2022-09-18T16:57:48+00:00

The market is the market. Argue against it at your peril

iamprosciutto · 2022-09-18T20:06:41+00:00

Just going to say that your idea of an "overweight chubby girl" is legit my favorite female body type, and she looks great in that picture.

Do your actual best to be reasonably healthy, be able to hold and carry an intelligent conversation with a bit of fun and humor thrown in, and have confident, flirtatious body language. You will eventually find a woman who likes you

AcanthocephalaNew947 · 2022-09-18T16:46:21+00:00

If every woman you’re interested in says she only dates fit guys… get fit. Seems like an easy solution instead of complaining the price of entry is too high pay it or get a hobby. Dating isn’t a right.

NocturnalCoder · 2022-09-18T17:45:25+00:00

Funny how all of these things are superficial and none of them matter in a successful long term relationship.

A 6'3 wife beater. And they focus on the 6'3. They are literally telling you they can't make sensible choices. What else do you need to know about a potential life partner?

Also: pretty convinced this is just a thing for a part of society. And they are just more visible because of these silly demands and social media

missionarymechanic · 2022-09-18T18:35:32+00:00

If you can't figure out why the goal post is always what you're not, then you don't understand why you're getting it in the first place.

Let me try a different approach: "...I have a boyfriend."

Translation: "Go away."

While it's well documented on how well tall/handsome/fit guys are recieved, frankly, the average guy has the social skills of a raisin. More than likely you severely physically outclass any woman you're interested in talking to. She doesn't know you, she and no one else in her social circle knows if you're safe or not, you are a threat and an unknown until proven otherwise.

So if you're not an underwear model, you had better have a personality and figure out how to make friends with anyone and make then feel comfortable. Can't do that? Find a community that you do fit in that actually has women. Won't do that? That's on you.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-09-18T16:55:48+00:00

“Try”

made a profile on a OLD platform

meddit-throwaway · 2022-09-18T17:42:01+00:00

I don't know 3 seems like a valid thing. Unless we're talking like skinny fat or something. Most thin women I know workout.

lurkmoar71243 · 2022-09-18T19:24:58+00:00

Look, this is really simple in broad strokes. Whether anyone likes it or not, women as the selective sex (for want of a better way of putting it) are to some extent naturally going to aim toward the best they can get - however one defines that. And to be fair, most men would do the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

Having said that, personally I would prefer given this reality, women would be more self aware about recognising this reality (and as such, that it looks very different for men), as well as perhaps honestly asking themselves how reasonable what they are aiming at is.

Dry-Specific-8958 · 2022-09-18T18:12:21+00:00

the girl in the photo is a 6 on her face but she is voluptuous she would probably have a group of black boys behind her

cloroxfornialove · 2022-09-18T19:48:31+00:00

I don't totally agree with your point about tall girls, they're not really desirable and, depending on your height, you will still be taller than them so they should be happy, if they even care about that.

But, really, what pisses young guys off is that they can't get their female equivalent to give them the light of day. And on top of that, they get accused of having too low or too high standards, sometimes both at the same time, which certainly doesn't help.

DiligentProgresses · 2022-09-18T20:33:50+00:00

Women don't understand use of their holes doesn't mean a guy will marry them.

TheSandNinja · 2022-09-19T01:11:13+00:00

Not related, but you kinda picked the best of the bunch when it comes to chubby girls.

AstronautLoveShack · 2022-09-18T16:51:43+00:00

Your league is whoever you can get. If you pursue skinny girls (or even overweight ones, apparently) that want fit guys, you can change your league or you can become what they want. Obviously you'll never be able to get taller, but you can always play up your own strengths, work out, etc.

DiligentProgresses · 2022-09-18T17:51:46+00:00

That girl linked is fine as fuck tho

mumblebumblegrumble · 2022-09-18T18:11:47+00:00

People should just go for what they want without regard for leagues because it's a bit more nuanced than that. Some fit men actually like big women. Some women will get a gargoyle if he has money.

Some people just click on a personality vibe, yet one looks way out the other's league, they're together though. That person likes them back is all that matters.

Respectfully shoot your shot and don't be an ass when turned down.

ruboyuri · 2022-09-18T18:18:21+00:00

“If you can’t get a 7 you ain’t a 7” applies to both genders, did you know?

darkredpintobeans · 2022-09-18T17:06:59+00:00

Leagues aren't a real thing it's just some bs categorization some superficial asshole came up with. I like to think people find value in eachother beyond their extrinsic features and actually enjoy eachothers presence.

awesomef0 · 2022-09-18T18:04:22+00:00

men and women's hormones/genes/hormone cycles/physiology are completely different, women tend to hang on to and gain fat much more easily than men, who naturally have more muscle tone, higher metabolism, and larger lung capacity than women. So yes, skinny/fit women are more likely to diet and exercise more intensely than skinny men, who are extremely common and less likely to exercise or eat properly/take care of themselves. Even if a woman diets and exercises, she's more likely to be overweight, and deemed less attractive to men, who are overall more shallow with higher standards than women, at least based on looks/attraction alone.

similarly, men tend to develop socially/mature at a later age, when for the above mentioned reasons, women may already have achieved a good job/higher education, and put up with even less immaturity/disrespect. For some reason, a portion of men think that women don't have the same desires/needs as them, and treat them as objects/property rather than human partners.

I think the more important mismatch here is that guys and girls alike should stick to their lifestyle companions or try to find someone who has a more similar level of discipline/values as they do.

alphasupremacy5555 · 2022-09-18T18:24:47+00:00

So many women are just so full of shit. They always telling men to go after the women they do not want but they themselves can't even secure the men they actually fantasize about. They tell men to forget about women out of their league but they don't want to forget about men who are out of their league. This post just speaks to how extremely gynocentric society is and how easy women have things in the dating market compared to men. Fat women are loved and celebrated whereas fat men are body-shamed constantly and shitted on.There's also a huge difference between fat and thicc. Thicc means she has a big round juicy bubble butt, wide child bearing/baby making hips, thick upper thighs and and average torso. Fat is just fat. Like I always say men and women are extremely different and masculinity and femininity are polar opposites.

toasterchild · 2022-09-18T16:52:02+00:00

Your league is what you end up being able to land dates with. If you aren't even trying to approach people because you think you know what's in their heads you are setting your own league... really low.

TonytheNetworker · 2022-09-18T17:36:09+00:00

Women will always desire a guy out of their league, doesn’t mean they’ll get it. And even if they do, it might not even be what it’s all cracked up to be (anxious because other girls want their guy).

I’m an average guy and I’ve dated girls that I perceived to be “out of my league.” I dated that 6 foot girl half expecting her to reject me right away. Come to find out guys hardly talk to her because gasp she’s tall and they too believe they’ll get rejected. I also ended up dating a girl who was super attractive for a brief time and she was attracted to my ambition and humor. While the examples you mentioned are admittedly somewhat valid, they’re also just excuses to not try because the average guy seemingly won’t belong. You never know what will click for people.

Conscious_Ad_6572 · 2022-09-18T17:43:11+00:00

To be honest this is tru,

women are drawn to hypergamy

Women don’t give a Shit about men,

They only care about status

darkvalleys · 2022-09-18T18:22:26+00:00

Don’t sleep with, date or marry women below your league, and they won’t be hypergamous.

Problem solved; empower yourselves, men !

2022-09-18T17:12:10+00:00

Everyone wants to date out of their league. Both men and women can 'fake it' by offering surface level desires on a platter.

A woman who sleeps with a man out of her league to date her is the same as a rich guy who pays a beautiful woman from a 3rd world country to marry him. Both of them are offering what the other side is willing to settle for (sex and money, respectively).

A man and woman's league is the best they can be with without 'paying' (in the literal sense for men, in the sexual sense for women) for access. Sex and lifestyle are a big part of the relationship, but they shouldn't be a toll.

Laurely4u · 2022-09-18T17:57:51+00:00

If the situation is one of a modern employed woman on Tinder seeking hook up sex, you subtract out the idea of stable male providership and looks matching is all you have left.

Mysterious-Cod8194 · 2022-09-18T18:51:00+00:00

Wow 🥺! I find this topic such bull! As I'm a woman of size 14 and losing.... But STILL told ( your fat) like wtf are you men looking for exactly? Come on now? A " SUPER. MODEL Doesn't really exist unless you want her vomiting all over you every day.. honestly... Do you even look to see what they look like now? Omfg!!! Lmfao 😅 Geezus... I just gave myself away 🤦

THIS LADY HAS A POINT GREAT POINT! LOOKS DO MATTER IN TODAY'S SOCIETY

2022-09-18T20:02:47+00:00

Are we talking smv league or pure looks league?

Because due to hypergamy a ugly looking chubby girl is above a average in shape mans league smv wise. Even tho he may look better than her and have more going.

But a ugly looking chubby girl is below a average in shape mans looks league.

Back inn the day it was whoever's better looking is in the higher league. But now toy have fat ugly girls literally in leagues above decent looking fit men lol. Talk about out of wack lol

ElectricBugs · 2022-09-18T22:03:32+00:00

This post is here all the time and boring. Men are not told to stick to their league. Women actually usually tell men that if they want better quality to make themselves better quality. Men then complain about the fact they can't change their height and just bitch and moan. Men are lazy. Up until recent history men have been able to land women because women needed them. Now that women don't need men they are choosing to go for the best or be alone. If you as a man want to change that you need to put the effort in.

FjbhBoy · 2022-09-18T17:12:18+00:00

Most fat women date fat men very rarely does a fit guy date a fat chick

cocobabeinnyc123 · 2022-09-18T16:45:30+00:00

Everything you think you know about women is wrong. You need serious help buddy.

shockedpikachu123 · 2022-09-18T21:40:00+00:00

I’ve seen hot women with ugly men. Never seen a hot man with an ugly/fat woman.

PraiseGodd__ · 2022-09-18T17:07:39+00:00

If a woman has options, why shouldn’t she exercise those options?

C4yourshelf · 2022-09-18T19:02:52+00:00

bro shes not even that overweight wtf are you on

psd5 · 2022-09-18T19:15:23+00:00

Female overweight, obesity and fat only helps women because overall their breasts, hips, legs and butt get enhanced and increased because of it. Unfortunately, females overall don't appreciate the male body, even by being skinny or normal weight but only fit/muscled type of masculine bodies (I have made this claim and not a single woman have refuted it)

Fat and overweight on a masculine body will only decrease systematically decrease your sex appeal because none of the traditional and sexually appealing male body parts benefit at all with fat. Neither height, penis size, muscle mass (in any body part), bones length/broadness or face structure (rounded male face never I have seen any woman get aroused with) get any sexier for women in general. Unfortunately, beyond the female hypergamy and many other factors it makes in the end of day that current males across western culture will only systematically downgrade their sex appeal with any sort of fatness they acquire around their bodies, which is in 97% of cases straight up to their stomage and faces.

I find it so hypocritical that always is critized to any woman about being overweight and obese, they simply don't naturally choose to any of those men that are overweight and have Homer Simpson belly/face. It's so hypocritical and should be ashamed any of them by being double standards in their choices.

To an extent, I understand why overweight and fat women get still sexual demand because stuff like their breasts and legs get increased because of it, and I personally find sexy still to those women which may have bigger breasts, but into this big-fat category are those women that still have their fat mostly on their stomage and faces (even though they still do nothing to get ride of them in those areas).
I have been overweight most of my life and obese through my 20s (not 300 lbs but something like 225 lbs on my worst) and even fat women still were going after fit six pack broad shoulders dudes. It's so annoying the narcissistic ego from women nowadays.

Besides of that, I think women need to start getting desire for fat and skinny dudes overall. They either need to stop getting demand for being overweight or skinny but also be set up in their place with what they have to offer and expect to only get people from their own league (weight league if you wanna call it for skinny or fat girls).

HimNeutron · 2022-09-18T22:43:53+00:00

I’m fortunate to be 6’2 and fit because it’s a fucking zoo out here. I can’t imagine the extra hurdle of not being tall enough to be naturally desired by women. What’s sad is they think 6ft guys are normal. Sure there are tens of millions, but there are hundreds of millions below 6ft. In the United Stated at least.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-09-18T17:36:46+00:00

There are no leagues. Try your luck with women you like.

bsmith440 · 2022-09-18T20:29:23+00:00

This is posted every day. Yes, girls can date and marry out of their league. Get over it and make yourself better.

992702050602 · 2022-09-18T23:02:40+00:00

Leagues are a bullshit, childish measure created by middle school mentalities to make you feel insecure about your crush.

You could ask out a girl you think is unattractive and leagues below you. The possibility that she’s not into you is still possible.

A girl who’s crazy physically attractive but has the personality of wet cardboard could ask you out and you might not want to date her.

Leagues aren’t meaningful. Attraction isn’t a perfect science and it’s not purely about physical appearances.

Okay, now that that is out of the way, you’re allowed to have physical preferences, but do you know where your preferences come from?

There’s nothing wrong with wanting a girl that’s small, short, petite, etc., at all. Small girls are just cute. I’m just more attracted to girls that are smaller.

But the flip side of it is, I want a small girl because I want to feel like a protector. I want a small girl so I can dominate her, if it ever came down to it. I want a small girl because I am afraid of being with powerful women or I strongly dislike women who are or could be more powerful than me.

That becomes problematic. It boils petite girls down to superficial levels and it comes from an insecurity. Building a relationship on insecurity is unsustainable.

Some preferences should just be preferences. The same way you could prefer blondes and fall in love with a brunette. You can prefer petite girls, but be open the the possibility of falling in love with a big girl.

Why should you be open to the possibility?

Falling in love with someone should be more than skin deep. Who cares if your physical type is tall and skinny, if the person in front of you that showers you with love everyday, makes you feel special, makes the world feel like it could be okay, is a short, chubby person? Would you care?

I have a friend who is quite petite, she likes guys taller than her, but not too tall. Most of her exes and her crushes are around this height, hovering around 5’6”-5’10”. Her boyfriend, an incredibly sweet, charming guy who matches her energy beautifully, is like 6’1”. When she first started talking to him, she was like I like him a lot but I think he’s like a little too tall. Fast forward 2? 3 years? They’re still together. Just because he isn’t precisely her physical preference, doesn’t mean she’s not into him because falling for someone is far beyond just physical.

We can’t help who we’re attracted to, and who we’re not attracted to. Even if Girl A is your exact physical type, you just don’t vibe with her, that’s it. Not enough attraction. It sucks but that’s no one’s fault.

If Girl B is nothing like the types of girls you normally go for but goddamn do you want to just exist in her space always… and you like EVERYTHING about them except for the fact that they have like short hair and you like girls with long hair… you’re an idiot.

Preferences.

I’m not going to say that there aren’t women that have unreasonable standards when it comes to dating. However, a lot of the time when women, especially women that aren’t attractive to a sizeable population, say things like

”no reason to settle.”

It just means like… if 10% of the male population is attracted to me, I recognize it’s not a lot of men. Out of the group of men attracted to me, I am only attracted to 10% of them. This brings the total down to 1% of men. So the thing is there’s almost like this expectation of well if only 10% of men are into you, you should date everyone in that pool even if you’re not attracted to them. Women are just saying… no. i’d rather wait for the 1 in 100 man that is attracted to me, and I am attracted to him.

Why won’t you give the 9/100 guys a chance?

Well, it’s not always that they don’t want to give those guys a chance but when you’re not attracted to someone… you just aren’t. So for the people who ask… why not give those guys a chance, I would like to ask, why would you want to be with someone who isn’t attracted to you? Who doesn’t look into your eyes like you’re the only person they want to be with?

Don’t “settle” for anyone. Don’t date a girl just because they’re into you. You need to like her too. Don’t date a girl that isn’t into you, just because you’re into her. You deserve to be loved, too.

Go for girls you like. Whoever it is that you like. Regardless of what “league” they are. But you know, if she isn’t into you, there’s not much you can do. Just life.

returning_op2 · 2022-09-18T18:19:27+00:00

The weirdest thing - you need to stay inside your age range. But no rule to stay inside your wage range. Because we all know there is no power difference when marrying someone who has 10x times your money unlike someone who is 10 years older.

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freespirit1963TJ · 2022-09-18T18:02:24+00:00

Youth is a dynamic which is wasted on the young and inexperienced. If you think about relationships, a huge factor that many young people do not consider is, what are the reasons that the divorce rate is so high in the US. There are obviously a myriad of things that drive this stat, but a huge issue is people becoming involved with someone that they are compatible with. When we are young, everyone wants to be recognized and affirmed by the best looking, popular people who belong in the cool kids club. This unfortunately extends past college, so as time wears on the dating people in your, "league" becomes less important. After failed relationships, up to and including marriage, people begin to focus more on meeting needs and compatibility.

DiligentProgresses · 2022-09-18T18:21:34+00:00

Idk what to say other than accept it. It is what it is, woman are not going to change.

roger_roger_32 · 2022-09-18T18:23:34+00:00

There is no way that linked pic is real, right? Either photoshop, or the woman is wearing some kind of ass-prosthetics?

At the risk of sounding crude: No way she has that skinny face with that ass.

Lisavela · 2022-09-18T18:46:56+00:00

If the women you like don’t like you, you are dating out of your league so you should upgrade yourself

Drougen · 2022-09-18T18:55:26+00:00

I know a lot of guys who can have low standards and I'm glad I've never become one myself. I'm average to barely above average and have rejected women before. I also have never really "dated" in my life, every girlfriend I've had I've known for like 3+ years prior to dating.

Being single honestly isn't as bad as people make it out to be, it's actually really nice. Especially if you've had a bad past relationship.

Just-Pie-5579 · 2022-09-18T23:05:15+00:00

A person is not going out of their league if they are not complaining about what they're getting, are they? They are fine. You are the one with a problem. I don't mean it in a patronizing way, I'm making a point: the women around you are happy with whatever arrangements they have or don't have.

Don't go for overweight girls - this is like applying to a minimum wage job, become fit yourself if you are not (and you are not judging by your post) and shoot up.

AssistTemporary8422 · 2022-09-18T23:36:43+00:00

try to date short girls "I want a tall guy to feel safe and protected"

Being a short girl doesn't make her less attractive while it makes a man less attractive. So leagues don't apply to this.

try do date big girls "I want a even taller guy to feel small and feminine"

See my last point.

try to date skinny girls "I love to stay in shape so naturally I'm into fit muscular guys"

Hot skinny girls are very attractive and so a very attractive muscular guy is in their league.

try to date a overweight chubby girl "no reason to settle, many fit men love a real woman with curves"

Most overweight women I see are with overweight guys, and most fit men are with fit women. There are some men and women who have unreasonable standards, like overweight women who demand fit guys, and unattractive men who demand attractive girlfriends.

This dynamic is all over OLD and people heare are still talking about "leagues".

Men outnumber women 4 to 1 on OLD so of course women get a good deal on there. My advice is stop doing all your dating on OLD and then complaining about it.

kokorwqac · 2022-09-18T23:51:52+00:00

1-skinny guys aren't seen as particularly unnattractive, most zoomer girls are ok with thin guys with ok faces

2-Online dating only had %25 of the users as women, assume that a good number of those women are bots or scammers, a good majority of women aren't on online dating. Men are making it harder for themselves by sticking into tinder like it's holy bible.

Shamwowz21 · 2022-09-19T00:34:28+00:00

Everybody is attracted to people out of their league. That’s what it means.

TheSandNinja · 2022-09-19T01:12:14+00:00

Also, is point number 4, a real thing? From what I’ve seen, chubby girls aren’t really choosers.

Ok-Blacksmith-9418 · 2022-09-19T01:30:13+00:00

Are you unfamiliar with how men have objectified women since the dawn of time?

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2022-09-19T01:38:57+00:00

Leagues don’t exist in dating

InterestingPickle370 · 2022-09-19T02:03:30+00:00

Different for everyone. Some men are kept around because they are nice to look at.

chingness · 2022-09-19T02:20:39+00:00

Who is this picture of? Surely can’t be ok to use that or am I missing something?

Mysterious-Cod8194 · 2022-09-19T07:22:55+00:00

Not saying that i am.. just saying in general..,. No need to be smart about it ! Unbelievable how rude people can be about simple comments on here! Would really hate to see the hater's on actual posting of pictures ?

Title	Women tell men to stick to their league, but women are attracted to the type of men - those out of their league
Author	Johnny_Autism
Upvotes	111
Comments	465
Date	September 18, 2022 4:41 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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