Women complain about traits of high T but don't want any side effects of a low T male

EulenWatcher · 2024-06-30T15:42:43+00:00

Both genders want the best of the other without getting any of the worst. Men really dislike dealing with toxic women's behavior as well.

People are no led purely led by their hormones though. The way we're socialized and deal with our mood swings affects how people view and treat us. Having high testosterone is not an excuse for violent behavior. Just as PMS isn't an excuse for snapping at others.

Also it does depend on a woman. In my social circle most couples lean to egalitarian side, so it's not that women were seeking "strong leadership" to start with.

Realistic-Ad-1023 · 2024-06-30T16:30:09+00:00

I adore these types of threads where we always assume the world exists in a black and white binary.

You’re either high T, aggressive and masculine or you’re low T and feminine.

You’re either an Alpha fucks or you’re a beta buxxs.

You’re either spinning plates or you’re a cuck simp.

You’re either rolling in pussy or you’re an incel.

There is a world of nuance everyone here forgets about and that’s the world 90% of people exist in. Most people are living average ass lives with normal T, a healthy dating life, love for women with a little heartbreak, a typical libido wanting it 1-4 times a week, average leadership skills, average anger management issues, average coping skills.

You guys fantasize so hard about women wanting what you think the ideal man is you forget a world of nuance between those extreme ends.

ItWasBrokenAlready · 2024-06-30T17:25:47+00:00

Well, do you want a hourglass figure, full lips, delicate frame and caring personality without neuroticism, petty scheming, hypergamy and painful indecisiveness?

Makuta_Servaela · 2024-06-30T15:52:53+00:00

Women don't want to be married to someone who implies his behaviours and biases are unquestionable and purely caused by his testosterone as if he were an animal, yes. Women are sapient human beings and would generally prefer their partners were also sapient human beings. Sapient human beings have the critical thinking skills to question and modify their behaviours and biases.

Y'all throw a fit about being compared to animals and then turn around and compare yourself to animals.

operation-spot · 2024-06-30T15:34:43+00:00

I can’t speak to biological features but I am a woman and obviously have lower testosterone and I still exhibit strong leadership and charisma while not being insanely aggressive. The things that make someone toxic are a choice, not biology.

HappyCat79 · 2024-06-30T20:10:53+00:00

Who said we don’t want a man with an extremely high libido?! 😍🤤🫣

januaryphilosopher · 2024-06-30T15:56:18+00:00

Testosterone doesn't make you a shitty person. That's incredibly misandrist, actually.

Intrepid-Rip-2280 · 2024-06-30T16:00:35+00:00

Nowadays too many people treat human traits as some eva ai sexting bot settings, trying to make their own stats look as good as possible. Grading men by T levels is so wrong on so many levels.

Perfect-Resist5478 · 2024-06-30T17:19:03+00:00

Strong leadership, charisma, and extroversion have nothing to do with testosterone

John_Oakman · 2024-06-30T16:15:43+00:00

Nature is not an excuse to abdicate personal responsibility.

IcyTrapezium · 2024-06-30T16:57:43+00:00

Uh I want a man with an extremely high libido. I have a high libido so my partner needs to.

Testosterone doesn’t make someone a better leader, an extrovert or charismatic. These things aren’t correlated.

On testosterone’s lack of relationship to leadership: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453016301780

Werevulvi · 2024-06-30T17:38:53+00:00

Good thing then that testosterone traits are not evenly distributed in every single man, just like estrogen traits are not evenly distributed in every single woman. It tends to be kinda random, regardless of actual testosterone levels, even though those with higher T generally have a bit more/stronger of those traits. Other genetics also come into play, not just hormones.

That said I personally don't really care which exact T traits a guy has, as long as it's clear he went through puberty at all, basically. I do like a high sex drive in a man though.

half3mptyhalffull · 2024-06-30T18:04:29+00:00

i think the difference between healthy masculinity and toxic masculinity is levels of maturity/wisdom/self-discipline, not levels of testosterone.

N-Zoth · 2024-06-30T15:39:15+00:00

Half of these things have nothing to do with testosterone lol.

Difficult_Falcon1022 · 2024-06-30T16:15:38+00:00

Everyone needs a balance of hormones, including oestrogen, as well as testosterone.

Yes I'd like to date a man whose handsome and not a cunt.

Just another post shaming women for having preferences despite men's preferences being shamed is continually fretted upon.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2024-06-30T17:05:33+00:00

It could be that, like every other substance in the human body, there's an ideal amount. And that too high, or too low, is an issue.

I think women generally want a man that's competitive and has a high libido though. The other two are nothing to do with testosterone, and therefore irrelevant.

El_Don_94 · 2024-06-30T17:40:44+00:00

This is why you aim for the mid point between masculine & non-masculine traits. The masculinity traide-off hypothesis. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7872150/

Sade_061102 · 2024-06-30T17:58:26+00:00

High T isn’t associated with being tall, and naturally also isn’t associated with being stronger, high t also actually leads to loss of libido and gynaecomastia

Ppdebatesomental · 2024-06-30T16:53:49+00:00

Women don't want:Extremely high libido

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Two laughs from me, three from my husband.

They certainly do from men they want.

kayceeplusplus · 2024-06-30T17:51:10+00:00

Extremely high libido

Sign me up

Cunning_Linguists_ · 2024-06-30T18:29:53+00:00

Don't you as a man, desire a woman with all the positives of femininity- graceful, empathic, nurturing and tender, while also not liking the toxic traits of femininity- over emotional and a woman who doesnt live for herself: too into appearance, wanting attention from any kind of man, and allowing herself to be touched by many?

There's a balance to everything

Those toxic man traits u described are not what comes with "high T" that's where you are getting it backwards. A true masculine man and feminine woman go together like yin and yang ☯️ he respects her, and isnt domineering, while she is fully expressive of herself and supportive, without being subservient

2024-06-30T21:55:28+00:00

Women want a chad but he must be emotionally feminine and have the introspection of Sigmund Freud and the body of the rock lol

womandatory · 2024-06-30T22:57:54+00:00

Women want men who can exercise self control. Any man who blames his behavior solely on his hormonal makeup is undateable.

In before whataboutery - women are also capable of exercising self control.

Having insight into your hormonal changes and knowing how to manage them, seeking medical assistance for problems, taking responsibility for your own behavior and health, redirecting energy into positive pursuits rather than acting out and blaming other things are all the actions of a grown up, regardless of their sex.

No one wants to date a whiny sook who blames ‘their hormones’ for shitty behavior that’s a choice.

Diamond-Breath · 2024-07-01T04:53:06+00:00

We all want a balance.

flipsidetroll · 2024-06-30T16:57:02+00:00

Correction: you are TOLD by other men what women want. And you are parroting it.

Women don’t want puppets. They don’t want to be told what they think and feel and want. Any man who mindlessly repeats information given to him by other men, is a moron. And morons are unattractive.

Do you think professional sportsmen have strong jawlines? Developed musculature? Etc etc? Of course they do. Now research how many, especially those in endurance sports, have low testosterone. It’s a shocker. And then think about how anyone can tell if someone has low T just by looking at them. Then go to a mirror, and repeat….i will not be a puppet of misinformation, and I won’t speak for anyone but myself.

SaBahRub · 2024-06-30T19:32:47+00:00

Hey, that sounds like a recipe for moderation

Baezil · 2024-06-30T22:11:19+00:00

The one with women that amuses me is wanting a super confident, self assured guy and then being unhappy when they realize he doesn't care about what she thinks or wants.

With men, the funniest is wanting a woman who really likes and is very giving sexually with them but not anyone before them.

Think_Reporter_8179 · 2024-07-01T14:39:00+00:00

So learn to control yourselves. Easy.

Ancient_Finding_5644 · 2024-07-01T14:50:38+00:00

A person's responsibility is to develop their positive attributes and diminish their negative ones.

Women want someone who has done that XD

Because it signals being a good person XD

Soggy-Cornflakes · 2024-07-01T17:02:58+00:00

Doesn't the same principle apply to men? Men like big boobs, tiny waist, round butt, nice skin and hair but dislike the downsides of estrogen. Hypergamy, emotionally fluctuation, periods, cellulite, lower libido

obviousredflag · 2024-07-01T17:10:40+00:00

WHO THE FUCK lied to you about what testosterone is responsible for?

2024-07-01T19:16:49+00:00

Extremely high libido

Don’t mind that one in particular, but

Aggressive, assumptive behavior Competitiveness Being placed in a hierarchy

I don’t want this behavior directed towards me, correct. He can find some other way to get that energy out like playing a sport.

katecard · 2024-07-02T03:17:28+00:00

Look at the men women universally find extremely attractive. They're not what you described.

holyskillet · 2024-06-30T15:43:05+00:00

I'm so grateful that mom and dad explained this to me: no matter how beautiful you are, nobody has an interest in tolerating your shit 24/7, because 1. you are not getting younger, 2. there is always a girl with a better attitude just around the corner. Now I have much fewer complaints and questions about people wanting my good traits and not wanting the bad traits that go along with it.

Edit: testosterone does not make you aggressive or assumptive. This is very important for you to understand. Testosterone makes you want to pursue social status. Masculine men are NOT aggressive, but feminine women frequently are.

gntlbastard · 2024-06-30T18:04:40+00:00

You want a guy that's sweet, a guy that's tough
A feminist who likes to pay for stuff
The kind of guy that gets along with your friends
Without being attracted to any of them
A good boy, a bad boy; a good bad boy;
A half good, half bad, half boy
Loves your brothers is sensitive but not weak and
Is a great lover, calls your mother on the weekend

LiftSushiDallas · 2024-06-30T15:34:26+00:00

You're referring to a specific demographic of women complaining about "toxic masculinity" which is a tiny minority of women who are vocal on TikTok or YouTube and are rage bait content for men.

Most women don't think this way.

Pola_Lita · 2024-06-30T17:52:03+00:00

Women basically want all of the positives of high T and then complain about "toxic masculinity" because these are the traits that come with high testosterone.

Like women, the majority of men are able to control the negative tendencies caused by hormones while using the positives to their (and other people's) advantage.

This is what happens when we grow up.

banthaaa · 2024-06-30T15:54:29+00:00

Jawline is not to do with testosterone levels and neither is height. Men with klinefelter's are hypogonadal and are taller than average

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plantlover3 · 2024-06-30T18:11:25+00:00

I don’t mind being placed on a hierarchy by a masculine man because I’m already lying to him and ranking HIM on a list of the several other wealthy masculine men I know.

Flightlessbirbz · 2024-06-30T20:53:14+00:00

I mean yeah, just like men want women with feminine appearances and the “feminine” personality traits that benefit them, but not the ones they find annoying. Like: hourglass figure, big eyes, delicate features, caring and nurturing, “agreeable” (submissive). But not: mood swings/crying, low sex drive, desire for a partner who can provide for a family.

Luckily, hormones don’t entirely dictate people’s personalities and behavior.

nightsofthesunkissed · 2024-07-01T07:55:34+00:00

I don't like men who have those traits precisely because of the negative reasons you listed.

Very muscular men who make fitness their personality tend to also be vain, narcissistic, and horrible to be around.

-Kalos · 2024-07-01T09:40:03+00:00

Nah what your describing is dark triad behaviors, not masculinity. Why do you assume all high testosterone men are like that? I'm tall because of genetics and I hit the gym. Why are you guys always trying to put everyone in a box when we're all just individuals with different values, beliefs and behaviors? I don't like aggressive people either and I think heirarchies are just ways to control everyone under you without you having to have leadership qualities yourself. Demanding unearned respect actually seems like the most unmasculine thing ever

PanzerSjegget · 2024-07-01T14:54:47+00:00

High T does not equal shit personality with no self control. That would be a 12 year old child you speak of. There are many of those 12 year Olds in adult bodies, but great men they do not make.

2024-07-01T15:42:56+00:00

women complain. Could have ended it there.

DamagedByPessimism · 2024-07-01T16:58:08+00:00

Not all men with traits mentioned have high Testosterone.

My husband has better physical frame - cheekbones and jaw, low fat body, than his Extraverted brother.

Same goes for their older brother, who has strongest leadership role / desire among them. And he’s Introverted and far from what you mentioned physically (average Testosterone).

The example of what we see online as “high testosterone” are just infections and powders. 🤣

What you mentioned for physical traits is genetic mist of the time and doesn’t need to go hand in hand with the second whatever blabber

FoxDelights · 2024-07-01T17:04:44+00:00

As someone doing their phd in a biomedical subject, it actually hurts to see how much of a lack of understanding people have over hormones. Those are all mostly controlled by genes and upbringing, the effect that testosterone has (atleast if you have enough to go through puberty), is negligable compared to those other factors.

Stop obsessing over testosterone its not some magical compound that dictates all of these things about you.

Lacy7357 · 2024-07-01T17:51:35+00:00

I mean personally I would love a high libido. I have one myself

apresonly · 2024-07-01T23:06:08+00:00

correct. i do not want aggressive, hierarchical men.

no one should.

saving_private_ryan_ · 2024-07-01T23:18:52+00:00

I have high T and have a weak jawline, am average height, and am an introvert.

My testosterone was recently measured at 905 ng/dl. I don't exercise and eat like garbage.

Also, height is not correlated to testosterone. children undergoing puberty too fast tend to be shorter. testosterone fuses the plates sooner.

Sade_061102 · 2024-07-17T11:04:39+00:00

Find me these men with extremely high libido men coz none of the ones I come across will go more than 4 rounds

purplish_possum · 2024-06-30T16:22:17+00:00

Women want all those things.

Women love high libido guys as long as they're hot. It's only when women marry for resources, not sexual attraction, that high libido becomes a problem.

Women love strong assertive, even aggressive, guys as long as they're hot. Billy Beta needs to stay in his lane.

Women love hot guys who outshine and out compete lesser men.

Women absolutely, totally, 100% love being the GF/wife of guys at the top of the local hierarchy. Nothing makes women happier than when their BF/husband is hotter/more athletic/taller/more successful than their girlfriends', neighbors', and coworkers' BFs/husbands.

NewOCLibraryReddit · 2024-06-30T18:16:38+00:00

women complain about damn near everything. Just go buy what they do and not what they say

TheAncientGeek · 2024-06-30T18:46:52+00:00

Also, hair loss.

GloomyWalk5178 · 2024-07-01T13:05:37+00:00

Being “aggressive” has nothing to do with high testosterone. This is phony red pill science. Testosterone isn’t a wonder drug that changes your personality. It mostly affects sex drive and mood stability.

No_Matter_8648 · 2024-06-30T16:24:05+00:00

Don’t even bother OP. The women here don’t argue in good faith. The first response you got was the typical “hurr durr durr but what da about da men do” 🤦‍♂️

Glarus30 · 2024-06-30T16:39:15+00:00

That's true. And your life as a man would be better if you stop caring what women want.

They have no idea what they want in a partner, but they want it now! 😆 And once they get it they have no idea what to do with it.

The truth is the vast majority are submissive and need to be led by their partner. They want the man to be man. They might tell you they want and prioritize some other things, they might even believe their own BS, but they are mostly full of shit.

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his_purple_majesty · 2024-06-30T18:44:25+00:00

bro science

Plazmatron44 · 2024-07-01T12:58:24+00:00

Women don't really know what they want 80% of the time especially the ones that assert that they do know what they want.

antariusz · 2024-06-30T21:30:02+00:00

Lol, you're so wrong it's sad.

Of COURSE women want an extremely high libido and aggressive competitive men. The Olympics every year turns into basically an orgy or athletes and celebrities because the women can't keep their hands off the top tier men. 160,000 condoms were given out for free in Tokyo to the athletes. 160,000. Let that number sink in for what is roughly 3,000 athletes.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/inside-sex-mad-olympic-village-24602344

They want men at the TOP of the hierarchy. Obviously that means "not you".

DoinIt989 · 2024-07-01T03:21:56+00:00

Women definitely like

Extremely high libido

Aggressive, assumptive behavior

And they like it when these are enforced between men

Competitiveness

Being placed in a hierarchy

Title	Women complain about traits of high T but don't want any side effects of a low T male
Author	Cunning_Linguists_
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Date	June 30, 2024 3:27 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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