Michael Jordan, Johnny Depp and Dr. Dre are men who TRP would consider 10/10s. Fit, moneyed and famous beyond belief. They also are no doormats, with some dark triad traits and a supreme winner's mindset that they've maintained from youth into old age.

Given all this, they've still experienced horrendous results with women. Hundreds of millions of dollars paid out to women in various lawsuits, their names dragged through the mud in the media, and in Depp's case it looks like his career may have been ended by Amber Heard's frivolous claims.

How do redpillers reconcile the cases of these guys, who according to RP literature, should be teflon when it comes to women, but instead have achieved worse results than your average Joe? Perhaps MGTOW are right on this and no matter what a man does or looks like, eventually a woman will tire of him?